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Meet Barack Obama’s warped version of Abraham Lincoln
The Republican Liberty Caucus ^ | 12/25/2008 | Publicola

Posted on 12/25/2008 4:34:30 PM PST by obamaisandrogynous

Barack Obama plans to take his oath of office, as president of the United States, on a Holy Bible, once owned by Abraham Lincoln. Many leftist reporters have enthused over the symbolism. They truly think there is some mystical connection between the Hawaii-born, half-Kenyan, Harvard-educated street agitator, and the Kentucky-born, self-educated, great emancipator, and savior of the Union, Lincoln.

Many conservative commentators criticize these comparisons of Lincoln and Obama, rightly, it is true, by pointing out that, aside from being elected to ever higher political office, Obama really “hasn’t done anything" for America. Clearly, Barry hasn’t freed an entire people left in bondage, or managed a cross-continental war, successfully.

That’s completely true — but it misses a greater point.

Obama admires Marxism and socialism. He has stated this in his own book, Dreams from My Father. By comparing himself to Lincoln, Obama is continuing to develop his Marxist personal narrative, and, he hopes, a Marxist cultural narrative for the U.S. The Lincoln Obama compares himself to is not the Lincoln normal Americans revere as a great president.

Back in the 1930s, American communists allied with former political rivals from the American center-left and created a coalition called the Popular Front. The alliance was formed to oppose fascism — i.e. Adolph Hitler and the Nazi Party, which was menacing the world.

During this time, the Communist Party of the U.S.A. proudly, if quite inaccurately, proclaimed that “Communism is 20th Century Americanism.” The communists also cast themselves as the rightful heirs of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln.

Obama was an avid reader and consumer of communist and socialist propaganda.

So Obama, by publicly embracing Lincoln, is actually not identifying with the president who saved the union from revolution. He is identifying with the 1930s, cardboard cut-out communist caricature of our 16th president.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
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The proper comparison for Obama is not Lincoln, but, Caligula.
1 posted on 12/25/2008 4:34:31 PM PST by obamaisandrogynous
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To: obamaisandrogynous

Good point about how the Communists sought to appropriate Lincoln’s image.


2 posted on 12/25/2008 4:39:32 PM PST by cvq3842
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To: cvq3842

Yes, the Marxist enemies of the West purposely use the most popular facades they can think of to fool people who don’t know how to think for themselves into thinking that “progressives” are all about mom and apple pie. You’d think the public would get wise to being so obviously manipulated.


3 posted on 12/25/2008 4:47:57 PM PST by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now

” You’d think the public would get wise to being so obviously manipulated.’

Sorry, it’s too late. The sheeple are in the pen.


4 posted on 12/25/2008 4:53:09 PM PST by unkus
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now

Agreed about the public, but in order to learn not to be duped they need to know something of history, politics, etc.

Most don’t bother to educate themselves.


5 posted on 12/25/2008 4:53:45 PM PST by cvq3842
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To: obamaisandrogynous

It’s hard for me to imagine a less apt comparison between two people than one between Barack Obama and Abraham Lincoln.


6 posted on 12/25/2008 4:56:11 PM PST by EternalVigilance (We are partisans only of what is right: America's Independent Party, www.AIPNEWS.com)
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
You’d think the public would get wise to being so obviously manipulated.

The American public has been so dumbed down in the past 3 or 4 decades, it's a wonder there are any true conservatives left in this country. With the manner of indoctrination the public schools and their unions have been teaching more about gay rights, how to slip a rubber onto a condom, how to rebel against authority, and other socialist/marxist propaganda, our kids don't have a chance to become individualists. The only proof I need is what happened on November 4th with the election of a man who almost outright yells at people saying is a socialist. What scares me most of Obama is not Obama, but his handlers. His handlers will tell him what to do and he will do it because he owes it to them for the backing he received from them. My wish is that another Reagan will arise from the ashes of the election of 2008. Palin is our only hope.

7 posted on 12/25/2008 4:58:49 PM PST by antiunion person (Ban the Brady Law. Save the 2nd Amendment from the liberals)
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To: obamaisandrogynous

“Barry hasn’t freed an entire people left in bondage, or managed a cross-continental war, successfully.”

Lincoln didn’t do that either. He emancipated only the slaves held in states under rebellion. They weren’t freed in the north. It was an act to control an asset of war...slavery, by the commander in chief.

The second point, that he successfully managed the war is arguable as well. ‘Emancipating’ the South’s labor source was the best tactical move he made. And that is what it was. It didn’t end slavery.


8 posted on 12/25/2008 4:59:25 PM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: obamaisandrogynous

American Communists named the organization in which they served during the Spanish Civil War the Lincoln Brigade. Interesting...


9 posted on 12/25/2008 5:04:02 PM PST by canalabamian (Durka durka...Muhammad FUBAR!)
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To: AuntB

Oh, did the North have slaves?


10 posted on 12/25/2008 5:05:23 PM PST by classified
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To: canalabamian

That’s like comparing the White Stripes to Led Zepplin.


11 posted on 12/25/2008 5:05:32 PM PST by Edizzl79 (you want my guns..come and get em...I dare ya....)
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To: classified

Yes, they certainly did.


12 posted on 12/25/2008 5:08:24 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: shield

How many Blacks were slaves in the North after the civil War? Also how many plantations in the South still have slaves still today?


13 posted on 12/25/2008 5:10:09 PM PST by classified
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To: obamaisandrogynous

No where mentioned by the MSM is that Lincoln was the first Republican President and advocated minimal interference by government in the economy.


14 posted on 12/25/2008 5:21:11 PM PST by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: obamaisandrogynous
Many conservative commentators criticize these comparisons of Lincoln and Obama, rightly, it is true, by pointing out that, aside from being elected to ever higher political office, Obama really “hasn’t done anything" for America.

When he was sworn in, Lincoln had accomplished almost nothing for America except some stirring rhetoric. His political office experience was remarkably similar to Obama's, several terms in the IL legislature and two years in the House. Obama: several terms in the IL legislature and four years in the Senate.

IMO Lincoln's rhetoric had a great more deal more substance to it than Obama's, but as far as actual accomplishments in politics, and particularly in executive experience, the two men are remarkably similar.

15 posted on 12/25/2008 5:36:28 PM PST by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: AuntB
Lincoln didn’t do that either. He emancipated only the slaves held in states under rebellion.

Not exactly accurate. He pushed for compensated emancipation from early in his presidency and supported the various amendments that eventually freed all the slaves. The president has no role in amendments, but he encouraged Congress to pass them and send them to the states.

IOW, Lincoln did everything he constitutionally could to free all the slaves. He had no right or mechanism to directly emancipate northern slaves.

BTW, by the end of the war slaves remained in bondage only in KY and a few hundred in DE. All others had already been freed by state action.

16 posted on 12/25/2008 5:42:25 PM PST by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: classified
In 1860 the Democrats were predominately pro-slavery and the Republicans were antislavery. Lincoln would not have been elected if he were pro-slavery. The civil-war how ever you want to slice it or dice it was about slavery. Lincoln was against slavery and was against the expansion of slavery. If Lincoln had been pro-slavery and were elected, the civil war would not have occurred under his administration.
17 posted on 12/25/2008 5:44:20 PM PST by classified
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To: obamaisandrogynous

c’mon. Both were born in places starting with KEN


18 posted on 12/25/2008 5:48:13 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: obamaisandrogynous
The MSM view of Hussien and gang...




19 posted on 12/25/2008 5:58:07 PM PST by Dallas59 (Not My President)
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To: AuntB

Let B.O. and the Dims have Lincoln. They’ve been embracing him for years.....even the celluloid clowns on The West Wing would get weepy-eyed over the mere mention of “honest Abe”.

If the Republicans want to be a conservative party again, and that seems VERY much in doubt, they need to re-embrace the ideals of Jefferson, Washington, and Madison.....and the presidential governing precepts of Tyler, Cleveland, Pierce, and Hayes ( limited government, fiscal responsibility, and no needless bloodshed ).

Let the liberals have Lincoln. He’s always been one of them.


20 posted on 12/25/2008 6:05:49 PM PST by colonel mosby
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To: antiunion person
how to slip a rubber onto a condom,

Come again?

21 posted on 12/25/2008 6:12:19 PM PST by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: colonel mosby
If the Republicans want to be a conservative party ... they need to re-embrace ... the presidential governing precepts of Tyler, Cleveland, Pierce, and Hayes

All but Hayes were Democrats. Tyler and Pierce were fierce proponents of the interests of the slave power. You can call this conservatism if you like, but I disagree.

22 posted on 12/25/2008 6:22:21 PM PST by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: obamaisandrogynous

“The proper comparison for Obama is not Lincoln, but, Caligula.”

Interesting. Why Caligula?


23 posted on 12/25/2008 6:35:35 PM PST by RedMonqey (Embracing my "Inner Redneck")
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To: Sherman Logan

Read RECARVING RUSHMORE, by Ivan Eland. He makes some very valid points, including the fact that our history books embrace “the war Presidents”, and ignore the men who have treated the Presidency as humble, and passive, caretakers.

Yet, the needless carnage, and destruction wrought by “the war Presidents”, Wilson, Lincoln, FDR, and LBJ, lasted long after each man left office.

Wilson may have been the absolute worst( read WILSON’S WAR, by Jim Powell ). But, the others were awful as well.


By the way, the Democrat Party of Tyler, Pierce, and Cleveland bore absolutely no resemblance to the Democrat Party of the late 20th, and 21st century.


24 posted on 12/25/2008 6:40:47 PM PST by colonel mosby
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To: obamaisandrogynous

If he admires Lincoln so much, does that mean He’ll print Greenbacks and tell the Fed to take a hike?

I think he role models Mussolini more than Lincoln.


25 posted on 12/25/2008 6:42:31 PM PST by Obamageddon (Birth certificate and college transcripts will be required for Federal employment, Mr. Soetero)
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To: antiunion person

Palin isn’t our nations or conservatives last hope. While I agree with your seniment it’s important that we allow tthings to unfold in a natural way.

She may not be our best choice in 2012. I see no others in her position, but I remain open.

She is great!


26 posted on 12/25/2008 6:42:59 PM PST by stockpirate (My Beeber is on full stun as the site appears to be over run with trolls.)
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To: colonel mosby
the Democrat Party of Tyler, Pierce, and Cleveland bore absolutely no resemblance to the Democrat Party of the late 20th, and 21st century.

More or less true. However, it is still the same institution, descended lineally through all the years.

Today's GOP doesn't have a great deal in common with that of Lincoln and Grant, either.

27 posted on 12/25/2008 6:46:11 PM PST by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: obamaisandrogynous

Although the limit to Obama’s arrogance is over the horizon, this move could charitably seen as a tribute by Obama to the president who began the chain of events that made it possible for a black person to be president.


28 posted on 12/25/2008 6:47:52 PM PST by AZLiberty (I hope Obama changes.)
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To: obamaisandrogynous
Lincoln Quotes. Sound like Obama? I think NOT. Obama, you are and never will be an Abraham Lincoln. You are and always will be a lowly Chicago pay to play pseudo politician bought and paid fro by Soros, MSM and Acorn.

“Don't interfere with anything in the Constitution. That must be maintained, for it is the only safeguard of our liberties.”

“This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it. “

“You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time” (hear that BO?)

“Let every American, every lover of liberty, every well wisher to his posterity, swear by the blood of the Revolution, never to violate in the least particular, the laws of the country; and never to tolerate their violation by others.”

“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution”

“The people will save their government, if the government itself will allow them. “

“I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring them the real facts. “

“I hope to stand firm enough to not go backward, and yet not go forward fast enough to wreck the country's cause.”

“If once you forfeit the confidence of your fellow-citizens, you can never regain their respect and esteem”

“Republicans are for both the man and the dollar, but in case of conflict the man before the dollar.”

“Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side, for God is always right.”

“Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth.”

“Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world. “

“A house divided against itself cannot stand.”

“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. “

“...I know that the Lord is always on the side of the right. But it is my constant anxiety and prayer that I and this nation should be on the Lord's side.”

“Those who deny freedom to others, deserve it not for themselves; and, under a just God, can not long retain it.”

“There is more involved in this contest than is realized by every one. There is involved in this struggle the question whether your children and my children shall enjoy the privileges we have enjoyed.”

“Public sentiment is everything. With public sentiment, nothing can fail; without it nothing can succeed.”

“In regard to this Great Book, I have but to say, it is the best gift God has given to man. All the good the Savior gave to the world was communicated through this book.”

“Property is the fruit of labor...property is desirable...is a positive good in the world. That some should be rich shows that others may become rich, and hence is just encouragement to industry and enterprise. Let not him who is houseless pull down the house of another; but let him labor diligently and build one for himself, thus by example assuring that his own shall be safe from violence when built.”

“We all declare for liberty; but in using the same word we do not all mean the same thing. With some the word liberty may mean for each man to do as he pleases with himself, and the product of his labor; while with others, the same word may mean for some men to do as they please with other men, and the product of other men's labor. Here are two, not only different, but incompatible things, called by the same name - liberty. And it follows that each of the things is, by the respective parties, called by two different and incompatible names - liberty and tyranny.”

“At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it? Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years. At what point, then, is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.

“I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens. And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to His tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the Almighty Hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquility and Union.”

and last:

“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything.”

He said this, shocking, but he did.

29 posted on 12/25/2008 7:00:00 PM PST by KellyM37 (Barack Obama's mental illness..........PATHOLOGICAL NARCISSIST... show us the medical records)
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To: AZLiberty

Although the limit to Obama’s arrogance is over the horizon, this move could charitably seen as a tribute by Obama to the president who began the chain of events that made it possible for a black person to be president.

Yet a president who said this: SHOCKING!!

“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything.”


30 posted on 12/25/2008 7:01:29 PM PST by KellyM37 (Barack Obama's mental illness..........PATHOLOGICAL NARCISSIST... show us the medical records)
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To: obamaisandrogynous

Is it really a good idea to adopt the image of a president who was ultimately assassinated? I know I would hesitate doing it. Let’s hope Mr. Obama doesn’t like to go to the theater.


31 posted on 12/25/2008 7:06:05 PM PST by Reaganesque
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To: KellyM37

I guess the Lincoln who said that would be glad that Obama is only 6% black.


32 posted on 12/25/2008 7:14:40 PM PST by AZLiberty (I hope Obama changes.)
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To: stockpirate
“She may not be our best choice in 2012. I see no others in her position, but I remain open.”

The media sure feels differently. She's just the governor of that back country state, Alaska. Now is that the 56th or 57th state? Anyways the left and the media will continue to attack her until they feel she irrelevant.

33 posted on 12/25/2008 7:22:44 PM PST by repubpub
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To: AuntB

“Lincoln didn’t do that either. He emancipated only the slaves held in states under rebellion. They weren’t freed in the north. It was an act to control an asset of war...slavery, by the commander in chief. The second point, that he successfully managed the war is arguable as well. ‘Emancipating’ the South’s labor source was the best tactical move he made. And that is what it was. It didn’t end slavery.”

He emancipated (i.e., “freed”) no one. He had no authority over the Confederate states and thus no one was emancipated. Hell, he specifically EXCLUDED from his Emancipation Proclamation the slaves in areas of the Confededracy the Yankees DID control (i.e., New Orleans and some of the Southern Louisiana parishes).


34 posted on 12/25/2008 7:29:23 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: repubpub

I think AK is a different country soon to be renamed Galt’s Gulch.

She is at this time in the number slot, in my heart.....

I think she is the reason they want Caroline Kennedy as the Sen. from NY, hoping to run her against Palin in 2012.

Like one freeper’s tagline said, “vote for Sarah, hell I want to marry her”


35 posted on 12/25/2008 7:30:55 PM PST by stockpirate (My Beeber is on full stun as the site appears to be over run with trolls.)
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To: classified

“Oh, did the North have slaves?”

Actually, Delaware did, as did Kentucky and Maryland (the latter two tried to stay neutral in the fight, but they did not secede, and were not part of the Confederacy).


36 posted on 12/25/2008 7:33:11 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: obamaisandrogynous

Obama doing so is, IMO, appropriate since I believe LINCOLN WAS THE WORST, THE MOST TRAITOROUS PRESIDENT OF ALL. We may have anogther uncivil war within the years of Obama’s presidency.


37 posted on 12/25/2008 7:34:49 PM PST by Aroostook25
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To: Reeses

“No where mentioned by the MSM is that Lincoln was the first Republican President and advocated minimal interference by government in the economy.”

Actually, Lincoln supported greater government involvement in the economy, as evidenced by his avid support for subsidizing the railroads and textile mills.


38 posted on 12/25/2008 7:36:14 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: colonel mosby

Which begs the obvious question:

Who will they removed from Rushmore to put Zero up there? It’s only a matter of months at the rate they are canonizing him. I’m betting they’ll ax Roosevelt.


39 posted on 12/25/2008 7:36:30 PM PST by edge10 (Obama lied, babies died!)
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To: classified

“If Lincoln had been pro-slavery and were elected, the civil war would not have occurred under his administration.”

It would have if he still championed his oppressive tariffs that were strangling Southern commerce and trade.


40 posted on 12/25/2008 7:39:19 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: AZLiberty

“Although the limit to Obama’s arrogance is over the horizon, this move could charitably seen as a tribute by Obama to the president who began the chain of events that made it possible for a black person to be president.”

If Lincoln had had his way Odumbo would not have been able to be president because he would for sure have been born in Kenya, because Abe wanted to repatriate all slaves back to Africa.


41 posted on 12/25/2008 7:43:41 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Aroostook25

“...since I believe LINCOLN WAS THE WORST, THE MOST TRAITOROUS PRESIDENT OF ALL.”

LOL! You and I may be the only ones on this thread who think that. It’s astonishing how many well-educated people do not know how much of a despot Lincoln was. He ignored the Constitution, ordered the arrest of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court because that justice had ruled against him, suspended habeas corpus, had his detractors arrested and jailed without charge, had his critics arrested and their publications shut down and their pressesd confiscated or destroyed; and on and on.


42 posted on 12/25/2008 7:53:19 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Maybe it’ll be easier when he has federal troops open fire on US citizens.


43 posted on 12/25/2008 8:04:19 PM PST by Salamander
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To: ought-six

I think the same thing but every time I dare say it, I get mauled by FReepers.

Lincoln is why MD historically has gone to Dems in nearly every election since the 1860s.

It’s only been relatively recently that the “hold-outs in the hills” have noticed that “Dems” are now stealth socialists.
[and that, only because of the coming of cable TV and the internet to even remote areas]
Unfortunately, the liberal hordes swarming into the bedroom communities of the Balto/DC corridor counties greatly outnumber the rest of us.

My whole family have been Dems since Lincoln’s time and only switched over for Reagan.

In MD, the “civil war” is still a touchy subject in rural areas.

So, yes, I find the comparison between the two ironically, chillingly appropriate.


44 posted on 12/25/2008 8:31:41 PM PST by Salamander
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To: ought-six

“You and I may be the only ones on this thread that think that.”

You can include me on that. There are a number of good books on the subject - Charles Minor’s The Real Lincoln (1904) is a good start.


45 posted on 12/25/2008 8:32:37 PM PST by Ammo Republic 15
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To: Salamander

When I was a kid in rural Howard County, we used to have North/South brawls on the elementary school playground. We always used to joke that Maryland was the state that re-fought the Civil War every day.

I was an unabashed Yankee, of course. We used to have some terrible fights.


46 posted on 12/25/2008 8:41:05 PM PST by gridlock (QUESTION AUTHORITY)
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To: obamaisandrogynous

Just be glad he isn’t taking the oath on Jefferson’s quran.


47 posted on 12/25/2008 9:14:10 PM PST by onedoug
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To: gridlock

“We always used to joke that Maryland was the state that re-fought the Civil War every day.”

And that sums up MD politics to this very day....:)


48 posted on 12/25/2008 9:55:37 PM PST by Salamander
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To: MilspecRob

slip of the keys. lolol I meant cucumber. They both start with c’s. lolol


50 posted on 12/25/2008 11:27:02 PM PST by antiunion person (Ban the Brady Law. Save the 2nd Amendment from the liberals)
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