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Importance of the newly located Dunham/Obama Sr divorce decree in proving ineligibility
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Posted on 01/03/2009 7:01:24 AM PST by dascallie

Last night Ed Hale presented the (heretofore, unseen) divorce decree on Plains Radio between Obama's mother and Obama Sr ( her FIRST marriage).

The key bonus in this was the revelation of the specific version of her name in the decree, Stanley Ann D. Obama.

Using this precise name variation ( the abbreviated, initial "D" --instead of 'Dunham', was the cipher that broke open the search), they are claiming to have now located a POE (Port of Entry ) document that Obama's mother provided when she returned to the US with her son--soon after Obama's birth, (allegedly in Kenya).

The POE allegedly includes Obama's birth information/certificate ( British Kenya) as required for entry. Stay tuned for events...see other comments below. -------------------------------------------------- DesertVet Newbie

Posts: 11 Re: Obama-Dunham 1964 DIVORCE DECREE Forthcoming « Reply #53 on: January 02, 2009, 09:39:16 PM » ***********Stanley Ann D. Obama*************

No secret I've been highly skeptical on this whole ordeal. I'm now beginning to think this could very well lead the way to the smoking gun. Until this document she has only been known as "Dunham", no where in public records has Obama's Mothers name read as it does on this divorce decree. I believe the "D" being abreviated has allowed them to locate her records. This has led them to a "port of entry" birth certificate for Barack Obama. She submitted this POE certificate when she came back to the US, and the fact that there is a POE Certificate...proves that he was indeed born out of the country.

This would mean that Obama has never been through Immigration & Naturalization Services in his life, he became a citizen of Indonesia, and never applied for a U.S. passport. If this is the case, then he's not even a citizen, let alone a natural born citizen.

I'm not 100% certain on my assertion of above take on this document issue, but I think it is HIGHLY plausible. I'm still not ready to dance in the streets by any means yet (Yeah, I'm a tough sell). But I am quite intriguied at the moment. Couldn't say that earlier today.


TOPICS: Political Humor/Cartoons; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 1realbc; artbell; bho2008; birthcertificate; certifigate; conspiracy; dunham; eligibility; fantasy; itouchmyself; obama; obamafamily; speculation; tinfoilforeveryone; ufoanalprobe; whokilledrogerrabbit; wombatsareevil
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To: silverleaf
she did not know how to diaper

Did someone else diaper him when she was traveling? Wife number 1 make the trip and stay with SR while SAD did her thing.

301 posted on 01/03/2009 11:11:29 AM PST by hoosiermama (Berg is a liberal democrat. Keyes is a conservative. Obama is bringing us together already!)
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To: RummyChick
To: MirandaRietz I don’t see what you are talking about.

Thank you for the Indiana information.If you read the article at the link it explains a time frame for the electoral votes to be registered and possibly NARA was late posting. There are other questions in the article that I find interesting also. The article arrived this morning so maybe NARA updated yesterday late.

I just counted 365 electoral votes for Obama. I can't even believe there are that many idiots in this country to vote for the marxist thug. But there are millions worse than the electors.

You are on your toes on this one. Thank you! http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/2008-certificates/index.html#wi

302 posted on 01/03/2009 11:11:53 AM PST by MirandaRietz
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To: The Sons of Liberty
my mistake..sorry. I did see your comment posed my response to the wrong person.

I hear this all the time. The Clintons, McCain, the GOP, did nothing about this. Then when Alan Keyes steps up to do something, they scream he is irrelevant.

In the book the Final days, it details a lot of the communist parties that are linked to Clinton and Obama buddies, Ayers etc. The Shadow party by Poe and Horowitz links Hillary to the fabian socialist takeover we see happening now.

303 posted on 01/03/2009 11:11:55 AM PST by MirandaRietz
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To: silverleaf

No, I was confirming with wtc911 that even now, flights from Kenya go through the mainland. Someone else said it would be a direct flight from Africa into Hawaii. I was saying, yes, I checked it out and that is the flight path of TODAY.


304 posted on 01/03/2009 11:14:13 AM PST by autumnraine
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To: MirandaRietz

FYI Axelrod’s first job was with a small local communist paper.


305 posted on 01/03/2009 11:14:56 AM PST by hoosiermama (Berg is a liberal democrat. Keyes is a conservative. Obama is bringing us together already!)
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To: Will88

That video was intended as a primer, as I said. There is MUCH more you need to familiarize yourself with before you can engage in meaningful discussion. I was just trying to get you pointed in the right direction. There are court cases, law review articles, so much indeed.

I am not claiming anything, buy the way. I have no credentials to make valid claims of any sort. Others do however, and I suggest again, that you familiarize yourself with the facts of law, the scholarship on the subject, past court cases, legislative history, etc.

Until you can speak with a modicum of familiarity with the subject matter, I suggest that it is you, not me, who is the smoke blower here.

But to a few of your specific comments. There have been a few court cases where the subject of “natural born” citizenship has been discussed, but none of these cases are directly on point for the very fundamental reason that this would be a case of first impression. All previous cases have discussed citizenship in general, rather than the very specific type called “natural born”.

The question is: what did this phrase mean to the framers, and on this question there is little doubt: it meant the children of citizens born within the United States. In fact, there was a rather specific notion that natural born citizenship was patrilineal. The citizenship of mothers didn’t count. Isn’t that quaint.

This is a Constitutional matter, and as you probably either know or perhaps could guess, many of the terms used in the Constitution are NOT defined therein. That is because they were terms well understood by the people of the time, and especially by the framers. It’s not our fault if language has drifted and terms fallen from use. We simply cannot throw up our hands and say “duh”, as you would seemingly have us do.

We will find the meanings of these terms in the writings of the time, and they have been found. We know very well what the term “natural born” means, and as you quite rightly point out, the meaning is not to be created by a resolution of Congress, or even by enactment of a statute law.

I want to reiterate that I did not offer up that you-tube presentation as “proof” of anything. I offered it up as a starting point for you as you begin the self-educational process. As an investor, as well as an innately curious person, I always suggest very strongly that individuals “DYOR”.

That’s “do your own research”. Until you have done that, all you have is smoke.


306 posted on 01/03/2009 11:15:21 AM PST by John Valentine
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To: wtc911

Can’t you give Ed just a teeny weeny bit of credit for digging up the divorce decree? I mean, there’s 300 million people in America, and it takes a backwoods hick like Ed Hale to discover a heretofore unknown Obama record, that has at least a modest chance of leading researchers to the first substantial proof of where Obama was born.


307 posted on 01/03/2009 11:17:33 AM PST by freepersup (!)
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To: John Valentine

I fear we are seeing the contrast between the public school or yesteryear and public school of more recent times...

Hate to see what the future brings with the newer teachers I’ve seen coming into the classroom....Cookie cutters who don’t know how to think let along how to teach young folks to think.... Too busy teaching to the test...WHAT to think.


308 posted on 01/03/2009 11:19:42 AM PST by hoosiermama (Berg is a liberal democrat. Keyes is a conservative. Obama is bringing us together already!)
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To: freepersup

Since Berg had it months ago, Ed ‘finding it’ is not as big a deal as you may think. If Ed’s digging comes up with an actual proof of birth location, then it will be significant, even if proven to be in Hawai’i. But Obama cannot yet discard the fact that he had British citizenship at birth and is thus ineligible under the framer’s intentions in the Constitutional eligibility requirements. Expect the perfect forgeryu of his BC to shopw his real fatehr was Frank Marshall Davis. Obama would throw anyone under his bus to gain the ultimate seat of power, including the entire Kenyan nation adn his personal reputation fashioned with his fakey ‘autobiographies’.


309 posted on 01/03/2009 11:22:28 AM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: autumnraine
Yes, I just checked expedia and the return flight would go from Kenya to Nairobi, Nairobi to London, from London to Los Angeles, LA to Honolulu.

Ding Dang Do.

I don't know how many times it needs to be said before folks get it. She didn't go to Honolulu.

Again. She didn't go to Honolulu. She went to Seattle. She was enrolled at the University of Washington that fall.

And just to be clear, can you get Expedia to give you flight routings for the aircraft and airlines from 1961? It haven't found that function on that webssite.

310 posted on 01/03/2009 11:22:54 AM PST by John Valentine
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To: Hang'emAll
It would be possible that Obama’s mother traveled to Kenya, to marry him as more than 1 wife would probably be legal there, not here.

Would you fly 10,000 miles to marry someone who was already married? To be spouse #2 with no rights?

I guess anything is theoretically "possible" but there are some assumptions in this that just don't make sense.

311 posted on 01/03/2009 11:25:59 AM PST by x
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To: silverleaf
...and then traveling to State of Washington, which was her real hometown..

AND, where she was registered and did in fact attend University starting in the fall of 1961.

312 posted on 01/03/2009 11:26:32 AM PST by John Valentine
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To: expatpat
I suspect that you are correct. The term "natural-born citizen" seems to have been redefined several times over the years.

Our constitution is a brilliant document, but it is also very brief and very general in many instances. That's probably what was intended.

But I'd bet the "natural born citizen" phrase is there because the founders didn't want some British born, still loyal to the crown resident to lay low and later work his way to the presidency, then begin steering US policies to the benefit of Great Britain.

I doubt they look ahead and wanted to prevent some kid born in a border town hospital of Mexican parents, who spent his entire life in the US, maybe served in the armed forces, and maybe became the first Hispanic-American Senator from Texax, I doubt the founders intended to prevent that citizen from being able to run for president in the 21st century.

But if such a citizen did announce a run, someone would probably challenge it, and it might end up being answered in the court system.

But I think anyone on this thread who believes that term in the constitution clearly bars the anchor baby citizens of the 21st century from running for president is way out in left field.

An unanswered question, IMHO.

But I also agree that if Obama has been deliberately devious and deceitful about the state of his citizenship, then he should be removed from office for that alone. I also know that would be extremely unlikely to happen if it's proven he did deceive us all.

313 posted on 01/03/2009 11:26:55 AM PST by Will88
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To: x

Who cares WHY she went there. The only thing that matters is if she DID go there, for whatever reason. Maybe to meet her husband’s family?

By the way, they were married in Wailuku, Maui, not in Kenya. That’s already established.


314 posted on 01/03/2009 11:29:03 AM PST by John Valentine
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To: x

You’re right, I read the decree after my post in more details; it did state that they were married in Hawaii.


315 posted on 01/03/2009 11:29:08 AM PST by Hang'emAll
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To: MHGinTN
I would guess Michelle is in deep withdrawal from being able to bask and vent among other angry black people

They family hasn't even been to church since he was elected she must deeply mourn those uplifting rants form the Rev Wright that stoked her resentment for so many years...neither one of them has a true spiritual base, church was a place to get their racist indignation stoked

Poor Michelle, now to be turned into the wife of a saintly hero, a black Jackie-O fashion icon, Mommy, and housewife, patron of the arts-filled “White House”, to spend the next years surrounded by patronizing white liberals she feels so deeply inferior to

All that racism, anger and resentment- no place to vent

I seriously think the woman needs therapy if she isn't already getting it

316 posted on 01/03/2009 11:30:50 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: wtc911

The divorce decree also shows how much of an accomplished liar Ann was. It completely misses the fact that Ann was in WA state from August 1961 until early 1963 when she returned to live at apt 110 1427 Alexander which her parents had rented for her. She moved in with her parents at 2277 Kamehameha Ave once she registered for spring classes at UH of Manao in 1963. Nowhere do the records indicate this absence from HI. Also Obama Sr had a small, single story home at 625 11th Ave where he lived when Jr was born. There is absolutely no evidence that Ann and Sr ever lived together! There are photos available of Sr at parties in 1960/61 and Ann is not present in any of them. Letters from Obama Sr’s classmates at UH all mention Sr but not one of them mentions Ann! Up until 2008 even Rep Neil Abercrombie described himself as a friend of Obama Sr only, it wasn’t until 2008 that he began to mention he had been a friend of both Obama Sr and Ann.


317 posted on 01/03/2009 11:32:43 AM PST by Chief Engineer
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To: John Valentine

No, actually she didn’t “attend” college there. She took corespondence courses there.


318 posted on 01/03/2009 11:33:15 AM PST by autumnraine
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To: Will88
The term "natural-born citizen" seems to have been redefined several times over the years.

Sorry, but we just don't get to "redefine" Constitutional terms as we please, whether "over the years" or in just a single moment. Could we do that, the Constitution would become an Alice-in-Wonderland document capable of meaning everything or anything at all. Only the Democrats would prefer that. No conservative could contemplate such a thing.

319 posted on 01/03/2009 11:34:30 AM PST by John Valentine
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To: John Valentine

Their marriage was “established” by her affidavit that is occurred

If a marriage was performed, by someone legal to do it, and it was a bigamist union by Obama senior who had a honk in every port and at least one wife and child in Kenya ( a wife who would bear him several more children after Barry) -then that is another sad avenue to be pursued, if anyone is interested in this sad geneaology

It would seem the “married” Stanley got less than she bargained for if/when she traveled to Kenya and met the other wife and family— hence her quick departure after Barry’s birth


320 posted on 01/03/2009 11:36:03 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Chief Engineer

Not to mention he supposedly came to Hawaii (that infamous photo in the airport with Barack Sr and Jr) to visit with his FRIENDS (including Ambercrombie) and Ann tracked him down in the airport while picking up his luggage. That was only time Sr spent with Jr. Sitting in an airport.

And it was to Ambercrombie’s advantage to say he knew Ann. That put him as a link to Obama Jr.


321 posted on 01/03/2009 11:37:07 AM PST by autumnraine
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To: silverleaf
My bet

_________________________________________

How about some evidence?

322 posted on 01/03/2009 11:37:16 AM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: autumnraine
She took corespondence courses there.

She was enrolled there, but missed the first three weeks of classes. What is your source that she only took correspondence courses? That seems very strange and unlikely to me. This is the University of Washington, in 1961. Correspondence courses? Really?

323 posted on 01/03/2009 11:37:16 AM PST by John Valentine
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To: John Valentine

You have mail.


324 posted on 01/03/2009 11:38:11 AM PST by Mother of the Bride
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To: autumnraine

Neil DID know Ann, though not as well as Barack. Ann was young and not as social as Barack. As a student at the University of Hawaii, I was acquainted (though not close) with both Neil and Barack, and knew Ann’s parents as they lived just down the street from e, though I didn’t know Ann. Neil is not just SAYING he knew Ann. He did.

Otherwise, your post is accurate and insightful.


325 posted on 01/03/2009 11:41:40 AM PST by John Valentine
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To: autumnraine

Actually Ann did attend classes at UW, which even her high school friends were unaware of!


326 posted on 01/03/2009 11:41:41 AM PST by Chief Engineer
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To: hoosiermama

I suspect she was on the run home from Africa after finding out her “husband” was a bigamist, her “marraige” a lie, and his African clan (unlike her black marxist cohorts in the US people’s powe rmovement) would never accept her as a wife or daughter

If you work it right, you can get flight attenedants to help with a baby .... or let the kid marinate in a feces filled diaper for 10 hours or more


327 posted on 01/03/2009 11:42:14 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: svcw
Yea, I'll believe it when I see it. I am so tired of all these “experts” who have done all this research and are just waiting for the right time to reveal their “explosive information”. Well, how about last June....that would have been a better time than a few days before the coronation.

I agree. If someone really had that info, why would they announce it to the world until they had it in their hands? It makes no sense. If I found it, I would obtain it first, make lots of copies, then send them everywhere

328 posted on 01/03/2009 11:43:54 AM PST by mojitojoe
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To: John Valentine
That’s “do your own research”. Until you have done that, all you have is smoke.

That's one of the most unusual posts ever addressed to me. You spent sentence after sentence making the case that precise definition of "natural born citizen" has never been defined by the courts, but constantly preach to me to do research into all the scholarship that has, as yet, failed to define precisely what the term means.

The term hasn't been defined by the courts, up to the SCOTUS, so it hasn't been defined.

And would you care to point out to me what rights of citizenship anchor babies are now denied? And they will not be denied the opportunity to run for president, either, as I discussed with another poster in my #313.

The video had some good background, but could lead some to think this question has been answered. It hasn't, and mentioning the Senate resolution on McCain as it was mentioned was very misleading.

I think we might agree that the term has never been precisely defined, so no one can say what it would or would not prevent or allow in 2008 and beyond. But I'd sure put my money on the anchor babies being able to run for president.

329 posted on 01/03/2009 11:44:41 AM PST by Will88
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To: John Valentine

Ann was registered at UW in extension courses from August 1961 until she actually attended classes in spring of 1962. She was still in WA state in fall of 1962.
Neil may have known Ann but I think he knew her more so after Obama Sr had left the island. He mentions he would often see Stanley and Jr walking in the area, while Ann was in classes. Which home were Madelyn and Stanley living in which you mention, the one on Kamehameha Ave or the one on University Ave.?


330 posted on 01/03/2009 11:46:49 AM PST by Chief Engineer
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To: MHGinTN
I learned about Berg having the same decree as Hale earlier today. Did Berg share the content with the public?

What I find intriguing, is the fact that a fresh set of eyes, and mind, can see something new that others might miss, that's been right under their nose all along. Take the PI for Ed Hale as an example. Did Berg's team make the same type of search that the PI for Hale did? Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. It's highly likely that Berg is sitting on ‘stuff.’ Is part of the stuff, the same document that Ed claims to have knowledge of? Maybe, maybe not.

What I'm most jazzed up about is the potential that still exists in the hunt. A different outfitter, using a different hunter, seems to have found the lair of an elusive quarry. Can the hunter bag the prize? Maybe, maybe not.

I'm really not all that jazzed up about the decree's content, as it was rather anti-climatic. But, where it might lead, is very intriguing. Plus, Ed Hale ‘done good’ in his effort. No doubt about it. I think the sheer lack of appreciation, here, gets my dander up. Berg's a 9-11 truther for crying out loud. It would seem that most here, have suspended judgment on Berg, for his trespasses, in large part due to the greater good Berg contributes to. I think that Ed Hale is due at least that much too.

331 posted on 01/03/2009 11:48:03 AM PST by freepersup (!)
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To: Will88; little jeremiah; Kevmo; unspun; BP2; LucyT; pissant; patriot08; Jim Robinson
Is it significant that he deceived the Illinois Bar Association with his perjury regarding 'other names' he has been known by during his life?

Is it significant that he posted a forged COLB to game the campaign system and collect hundreds of millions in campaign funds under false pretenses?

Is it significant that he has posted an altered Selective Service document as his 'registration for selective service?

Is it significant that he has sent an army of lawyers and detectives out into the world--literally from Kenya to Hawaii--to hide every scrap of documentation for his adult life?

Is it significant that Obama's handlers have paid an army of liars and twisters to work the Internet chatrooms and places like Freerepublic, to obfuscate and lie where anything arises which would expose the half-black affirmative action poseur?

Is it significant that Obama and his election results are closely tied to criminal activities of ACORN and to domestic terrorists?

Is it significant that Obama has lied openly and repeatedly, with layers of lies on several issues, like Ayers and Wright, to deceive voters?

... For too many, those things are not disqualifiers of an affirmative action candidate. Those folks do not deserve the Constitutional Republic much blood has been shed to protect. To some of us, it is like a waving red sheet in front of an angry bull. This lying piece of excrement needs to be exposed so he can be rejected by We The People. He is not nor is the threatened violence of his scyophants more important than the Constitutional contract which connects We The People to the federal authority granted for governance. This is an extremely serious issue and must be pushed to the limits, NOW.

332 posted on 01/03/2009 11:48:31 AM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: wtc911
any evidence that a clerk in the state dept issued a passport to a US Senator and rubber stamped the required proof of documentation had been tendered- would be well hidden by now. Possibly another item contributing to his passport files being pilfered and accessed by stealth in March 2008.

I just speak as one who knows DC bureaucracy and knows VIPs get away with stuff (like mishandling highly classified materials) many many times. How do you think a CIA chief could get a laptop of classified agency stuff into his personal home and his kid play PC games on it? (John Deutsch) Signing off on a US Senator's rush VIP passport application without background documents (I lost my other
passport, signed, Barack Obama) would be small beans

333 posted on 01/03/2009 11:50:01 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: silverleaf

If the Obama’s do ascend to the Presidnecy, look for Michelle and her racists friends to push for a renaming of the White House into the ‘Residence of the President’ or the ‘Presidency Residency’ in sing-song Jackson fashion.


334 posted on 01/03/2009 11:52:31 AM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Will88

I guess I don’t express myself well.

My point was that the term “natural born citizen” does not need to be defined. It is already defined. The definition is the definition as it was understood by the framers. I have already said what that was. If you want the Supreme Court to confirm that, great. I hope they do. But let’s be clear. They WON’T be defining the term. That has already been done. The Supreme Court will be, in effect, showing folks like you the dictionary.

Anchor babies have every right of citizenship currently enjoyed by other statutory citizens, and natural born citizens, except one. They can’t be President.

BTW, there is NO legal basis for ‘anchor babies’ citizenship, let alone natural-born citizenship. Even US v. Wong Kim Ark is not on point.

But, you can be sure that any child born in the US to parents in the US with no legal basis whatsoever cannot be said to be born to parents with no competing allegiance or not subject to the jurisdiction of another nation. That would be ludicrous. Ergo, not natural-born.


335 posted on 01/03/2009 11:52:58 AM PST by John Valentine
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To: David
Aren't there a couple of electoral votes for some other person who is also eligible to be one of the three?

Often, yes, this time, I don't believe so.

336 posted on 01/03/2009 11:53:20 AM PST by Jim Noble (Long May Our Land Be Bright With Freedom's Holy Light)
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To: Admin Moderator; moder_ator; urtax$@work; dascallie; autumnraine; stockpirate; hoosiermama; ...

— To Admin Moderator —

It would seem that certain people are trying to portray someone else (who has a different opinion than them) as a troll, disruptor and/or Obot, and even several different people coming on to cloud the truth of the issue.

SO..., I would be glad to have an Admin Moderator give me a call, on the phone (write and I’ll send the number). Please do and maybe you can help these guys know that they’re barking up the wrong tree and are inventing conspiracies out of nothing — which is kinda embarassing for them, I would think.

Okay, Admin Moderator, give me a ring... (write first, for the number... :-) ... )

— End of Admin Moderator —

I’ve been a faithful poster on Free Republic since way back when during the beginning of the Clinton years. And during all that time, I’ve posted exactly the kinds of sentiments which are evident on my Home Page (see my own statement and see my “liberal/conservative test”....). Now, I put those on there so that people could see my starting point and where I was coming from.

I’ve posted from Oklahoma, Texas and Oregon — which would all be evident by IP numbers. And, my IP number can be tracked by the website, so it’s no mystery. It’s currently in Tulsa, OK, which does happen to be in a bastion of conservative people and the “Buckle of the Bible Belt”. My own belief is that conservative positions stem *only* and *basically* from the Bible as the true and infallible word of God (and strictly and *only* from Christianity and *no other* religion, period). “Anything” else that is labeled as conservative, and is not based on that is basically *false* conservatism... (I’m sure there are some who will really love that one.. LOL...)... But, then again, that’s my position here...

So, don’t y’all feel like silly little gooses, making up conspiracy theories and trying to discount ideas from another FReeper when there is no basis in reality? I would think so, otherwise, it would appear that you are merely trying to enforce “group think” or the “hive mentality” of the Borg collective, instead (not good, in other words...).

You may not like the fact that I’m pointing out some *real things* on “what is happening” and why this thing with the Obama Qualification Issue is getting nowhere. Hey, I posted heavily on this issue prior to the election — until I found it was “outvoted” (at the election) by a larger majority. Well..., that’s what happens sometimes. So, face up to reality. And that’w what we’re talking about.

You don’t seem to recognize a basic issue of the fact that no proof has been presented in court to be able to do anything (at least, not to this point in time). You fail to recognize that we’ve had another President in history that has not met the Qualifications of the Constitution to be in office (that’s President Arthur). You fail to recognize the hoax that sucked in a lot of people before the election and afterwards (and is still going on, now...) — which is API, and Chief Editor Korir. It also sucked in Berg (who was going to use the Michelle Obama tape in his court papers). It also sucked in Ed Hale, who was going to sue Korir for breach of contract for not letting him air the tape on his show.

You seem to ignore the message that people are “being played” with this kind of “hoaxing stuff” — by means of what was described as the Dark Socratic methodology that Chief Editor Korir pointed out from his website. AND..., I wouldn’t doubt that it’s *sinister enough* to even believe that some “real Obots” do plant “information” that is false, but seems “true” in order to have people go off on tangents and be discredited later for actually *believing it* — without reserving judgement *unitl* actual proof comes in. It seems that many have *believed* in the same way that those “believed” Chief Editor Korir and he’s basically said he’s fooled them — and “he’s at it once again” (thinking that he can “brazenly fool” the same people *twice* [which is quite amazing!]).

You’ve got a problem with the lack of the recognition of *reality* — in terms of the “real world” and how these things (allegations and court cases and proof and the swearing in of a President, and separation of powers, and so on) — are going to work in a “real world sense”. This doesn’t work — outside — these postings, in the “real world” — which is exactly why a lot of people are “bemoaning” the lack of anything happening.

Now, I’ve proposed doing something, in Oklahoma that a legislator actually has started now — which is to pass a state law vetting the Presidential Candidate in order to make him prove his eligibility, or else he can’t be on the ballot. When the Oklahoma legislature goes into session (soon), I’ll be talking to legislators about this bill. This is the *first* in the nation to go ahead and start this process — which is *reality* and is a lot more productive than conspiracy theories.

Now, if you think there is a conspiracy theory going on here — with me — then pass on your questions to the Admin Moderator — and let’s have him talk to me — then. I think that would work okay — don’t you?

It’s a lot better than acting like silly little gooses...

And, by the way, my style has always been to post heavily on single threads, while leaving the *vast majority* of them alone (I don’t have that much time, being just a solitary person... LOL...).

Furthermore — there *is* a real life that I do, too — which means that I’ll be gone for a while today and might not even get back to posting until later this evening (maybe even tomorrow) — can you imagine that... :-)


Everybody....

Please keep this thread clear of sarcasm as it deviated last nights discussion of breaking events.

I just started listening to Ed Hales ‘s station in the past few days. At least he PRODUCED DOCUMENTS of import. Give this guy some credit. Go to Plains Radio and see the docs for yourself.

As a word of warning on the deviations.... stay clear of poster “Star Traveler” and do not reply to his posts. They will only take up bandwidth and your/ours time. See this thread for proof ...... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2157797/posts

97 posted on January 3, 2009 9:49:02 AM CST by urtax$@work


I have never seen anyone try so hard to convince people to stop doing something as Star Traveler. You would think they have a personal reason for not wanting people to do anything. I’m not sure I understand why people want to try so hard to STOP investigating something. What’s it to them?

101 posted on January 3, 2009 9:51:17 AM CST by autumnraine


He’s a Obat communication jammer. Psyops inspired. Smokescreener. Drives until YOU drop. This tactic worked in the election like a gem.

They are dispatched everywhere over the web—especially magnetized to eligibility threads or anything that truly has potential threat to exposing Obama.

Warning: he will show up under a different name and an altered modus operandus as well.

108 posted on January 3, 2009 9:56:50 AM CST by dascallie


IMO it has something to do with the Axelturffing described in the following post...WHy the moderators allow one poster to disrupt a thread I don’t know...Hope they are at least aware of it. A large percentage of last night posts were by one poster who kept trying to get folks off topic or say things that weren’t so including starting a revolution.

Comment on Axalltorfing pre 11/04/08 from “anonymous O campaign worker may help explain some people actions on the BC threads:

FROM:

http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/10/27/breaking-you-know-this-audiotape-is-bad-for-obama-really-bad-because-obamas-followers-got-dead-silent-all-of-a-sudden/#comment-12850

...”We pay people and organize people to go to all the online sites and “play the part of a clinton or mccain supporter who just switched our support for obama”

We do this to stifle your motivation and to destroy your confidence.

We did this the whole primary and it worked.

Sprinkle in mass vote confusion and it becomes bewildering. Most people lose patience and just give up on their support of a candidate and decide to just block out tv, news, websites, etc....”

109 posted on January 3, 2009 9:58:05 AM CST by hoosiermama (Berg is a liberal democrat. Keyes is a conservative. Obama is bringing us together already!)


I do not think Star Traveler is a single person, if you follow the postings its an almost 24 hour barrage on every forum like this, even I can’t post around the clock, must be a group working shifts.

117 posted on January 3, 2009 10:04:02 AM CST by Eye of Unk (How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words! SA)


His postings went on late into the evening. We(those following the radio broadcast) were hampered in trying to figure out the import of the posted docs.

Finally i gave up and decided to come back this morning to see some distilled version of events and any thoughtful insite like on this thread now.

Too many freepers wanted everything NOW, and lacked patience.

I think more and more information will be understood from the posted docs within the next few days especially when thoughtful discussion occurs here on FR.

PS, go to the docs and /file/save web page for your own future reference. You never know when something will disappear off the web.

122 posted on January 3, 2009 10:09:35 AM CST by urtax$@work


I do not think Star Traveler is a single person, if you follow the postings its an almost 24 hour barrage on every forum like this, even I can’t post around the clock, must be a group working shifts.

Telling that to the moderators.

124 posted on January 3, 2009 10:10:15 AM CST by hoosiermama (Berg is a liberal democrat. Keyes is a conservative. Obama is bringing us together already!)


As a word of warning on the deviations.... stay clear of poster “Star Traveler”

ROTFLMAO....the posters moniker is one of truth indeed.

207 posted on January 3, 2009 11:13:49 AM CST by Las Vegas Ron (The tree of liberty is getting mighty dry)



337 posted on 01/03/2009 11:54:34 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: urtax$@work
As a word of warning on the deviations.... stay clear of poster “Star Traveler” and do not reply to his posts. They will only take up bandwidth and your/ours time. See this thread for proof ...... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2157797/posts

I noticed that last night. Very long, nonsensical posts, equally as long responses(probably by his friends used to divert the attention and disrupt the flow.

338 posted on 01/03/2009 11:56:04 AM PST by mojitojoe
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To: autumnraine

I have never seen anyone try so hard to convince people to stop doing something as Star Traveler. You would think they have a personal reason for not wanting people to do anything. I’m not sure I understand why people want to try so hard to STOP investigating something. What’s it to them?

Love of the One, their Messiah, Barack?


339 posted on 01/03/2009 11:57:21 AM PST by mojitojoe
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To: MHGinTN
Is it significant that he deceived...

Yes, all those apparent acts of deceit are significant, but I'm not betting much of it will ever be irrefutably proven because so many are covering for and protecting Obama. I am hoping that some of it will come out over the next months and years. There is usually someone in a position to leak information who'll decide to do it at some point.

Maybe the National Enquirer will really get on the case like they did with John Edwards (not kidding).

340 posted on 01/03/2009 11:57:38 AM PST by Will88
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To: Star Traveler; All

Please quit pinging us to your squabbles.


341 posted on 01/03/2009 11:58:34 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: John Valentine

Ding Dang Do.

Pay attention! We were talking about that it is that way NOW.


342 posted on 01/03/2009 11:59:09 AM PST by autumnraine
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To: mojitojoe

If you’ve got a problem and think that some of these crazy ideas that I’ve seen about me, are real — then it would pay to contact the Admin Moderator and have him talk with me, then — so he can find out.

Now..., wouldn’t that make a lot more sense than inventing silly little conspiracy theories like a gaggle of silly little gooses... LOL...


343 posted on 01/03/2009 11:59:28 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Admin Moderator

Okay...


344 posted on 01/03/2009 12:00:25 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: wtc911
There is absolutely no real-world reason (based on evidence) to think that an 18 year old Dunham even went to Kenya to have her baby. The decree shows that she was in Hawaii when she got married and still in Hawaii when she got divorced.

You are right, there is only hearsay. From Obama's paternal grandmother who says she was there when he was born in Kenya and a affidavit from some preacher who says he was there during her interview.

Then that Kenya person, Ogaego or something like that who says Obama birthplace in Kenya is now and always has been a shrine of some sort. It made it sound like it was Obama's grandmothers home maybe.

As far as the divorce saying Ann was in Hawaii when she married and when she divorced, Washington college says she was there in school around Obama's birth.

From the story I have read, (one of many *wink*) is Stanley Ann went to visit Obama Sr's family in Kenya before Obama was born. Then was not allowed to take a flight home because of the delivery date being too close.

So, then she would fly back after the birth and file for a late birth certificate in Hawaii that was allowed at that time. That type of BC is not natural born citizenship.

If there is any truth to Malcolm X story at all, Stanley Ann could also have flown back and based on her word alone been able to get the same late birth certificate and not be the actual mother.

345 posted on 01/03/2009 12:02:09 PM PST by MirandaRietz
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To: Chief Engineer

It was on Kamehameha Avenue, just down a ways from the corner of East Manoa Road.

You could well be right about when Neil Abercrombie would have had more opportunity to know Ann Dunham. Barack Sr. would often be present at Charlie’s Tavern on King St., which I where I knew him from in 1960/61, but I never saw Ann Dunham there.


346 posted on 01/03/2009 12:02:36 PM PST by John Valentine
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To: hoosiermama

In spite of the limited flak and sniping at just about every website with a forum, America’s keyboard commandos make me proud. KEEP DIGGING! ;o)


347 posted on 01/03/2009 12:05:54 PM PST by freepersup (!)
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To: autumnraine
We were talking about that it is that way NOW.

Why, for goodness sake, would you waste time on such a thing.

348 posted on 01/03/2009 12:08:14 PM PST by John Valentine
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To: freepersup

Thanks....


349 posted on 01/03/2009 12:09:28 PM PST by hoosiermama (Berg is a liberal democrat. Keyes is a conservative. Obama is bringing us together already!)
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To: MirandaRietz
So, then she would fly back after the birth and file for a late birth certificate in Hawaii that was allowed at that time.

What evidence do you have that the State of Hawaii permitted out of state or our of country births to be registered in order to obtain a BC in Hawaii?

350 posted on 01/03/2009 12:11:12 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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