Skip to comments.Importance of the newly located Dunham/Obama Sr divorce decree in proving ineligibility
Posted on 01/03/2009 7:01:24 AM PST by dascallie
Last night Ed Hale presented the (heretofore, unseen) divorce decree on Plains Radio between Obama's mother and Obama Sr ( her FIRST marriage).
The key bonus in this was the revelation of the specific version of her name in the decree, Stanley Ann D. Obama.
Using this precise name variation ( the abbreviated, initial "D" --instead of 'Dunham', was the cipher that broke open the search), they are claiming to have now located a POE (Port of Entry ) document that Obama's mother provided when she returned to the US with her son--soon after Obama's birth, (allegedly in Kenya).
The POE allegedly includes Obama's birth information/certificate ( British Kenya) as required for entry. Stay tuned for events...see other comments below. -------------------------------------------------- DesertVet Newbie
Posts: 11 Re: Obama-Dunham 1964 DIVORCE DECREE Forthcoming « Reply #53 on: January 02, 2009, 09:39:16 PM » ***********Stanley Ann D. Obama*************
No secret I've been highly skeptical on this whole ordeal. I'm now beginning to think this could very well lead the way to the smoking gun. Until this document she has only been known as "Dunham", no where in public records has Obama's Mothers name read as it does on this divorce decree. I believe the "D" being abreviated has allowed them to locate her records. This has led them to a "port of entry" birth certificate for Barack Obama. She submitted this POE certificate when she came back to the US, and the fact that there is a POE Certificate...proves that he was indeed born out of the country.
This would mean that Obama has never been through Immigration & Naturalization Services in his life, he became a citizen of Indonesia, and never applied for a U.S. passport. If this is the case, then he's not even a citizen, let alone a natural born citizen.
I'm not 100% certain on my assertion of above take on this document issue, but I think it is HIGHLY plausible. I'm still not ready to dance in the streets by any means yet (Yeah, I'm a tough sell). But I am quite intriguied at the moment. Couldn't say that earlier today.
Ok, great idea, Joann.
Let’s all just forget it and cave like pitious victims, shall we?
Hey, boys and girls, today’s episode of the Tin Foil Hat Society is brought to you by the letter D.
He posted them at 9pm central.
No ... please enlighten me.
No idea. No idea.
OK, so I read the document image. So, Barry’s Diddy and Mommer were married in Hawaii in February 1961, and the Messiah was born in August 1961 (according to the document).
What am I missing here?
The Clintons are just sitting back and waiting for a chance to pounce!
here is another area for anyone with ancestry.com access.
what about voting records? hawaii was a state in the 60s..so any address should have been listed....you might be able to see if it correlates with the birth announcement.
We need information and AUTHENTIC facts before we can even begin to consider implications.
She could not bequeath natural born citizenship on her son in a purely LEGAL (i.e. CONSTITUTIONAL) way, i.e. the only way that counts.
If folks like you ever got the upper hand in our Republic, the entire Constitution would be dispensed with "in a purely technical way", and I pray that never happens.
“Hey, boys and girls, todays episode of the Tin Foil Hat Society is brought to you by the letter D.”
Aren’t you a fun guy?
Now, knowledge of the POE documentation exists, that’s all “they” have, correct?
IF - a really BIG if - Stanley came back with a young child, the information for that said child will be included. This part is conjecture by the PI (who wants more money!).
Stanley could have had the child in HI, went to Kenya shortly after giving birth and returned home generating POE documentation.
As a smoking gun, this ain’t even close.
Did you bother to read the first post in this thread?
That is what I meant by a technicality. If his mother had been 21 instead of 18, there would be no issue. Do you really think a President-elect would be prevented from taking office over such a technicality? If you do, you need better medication.
Yes, we are ... and it does upset the obsessed, I know.
(Quote was: His mother was a US citizen, which is enough to give him natural-born status in all but perhaps a purely technical way.)
I think Biden would become acting president and could likely serve all four years. Hillary wouldn’t be VP. Biden would appoint a VP and he would have to be approved by the Senate.
So she had a baby in Hawaii, immediately flew to Kenya that day with said newborn, and then flew BACK to the US with newborn the following day, (2) 12-15 hour flights—round trip —all in a 4 day period.
Is that your theory?
Remember the POE is dated as is the alleged birthdate of Obama.
Copies of the Obama divorce papers
No smoking gun in them that I can see, but he DID get them and they WERE posted.
You’re a nasty one.
Why even read the thread?
Yes, I did. The decree itself lays out time-frames that trump the assertion he was born in Kenya.
Again, I ask: What am I missing here?
Yes Hale deserves some credit for tenacity in unearthing docs no one else could deliver, now we’ll see it this helps crack anything else open.
I’m not going through it again.
You are intentionally jamming the communication.
As my mother-in-law, a former RN, said 'the first baby can come at any time, all the rest take nine months'.
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No, I don’t jam. I would like nothing more than for it to be the truth.
But, in black and white, the assertion falls to ashes.
Based on what the decree states, there is nothing here.
See post #64. The rule causing the problem was only in place for a while and has since been rescinded. That’s why it is a technicality.
Nice job continuing to jam for Obama.
Interesting how 90% of others understand the implications described in this thread in excruciating detail.
I’m sorry for your uneducability issue ( feigned, I should say) .
The decree states they were married in Hawaii in February and Barry was born the following August. Did they marry in February and honeymoon in Kenya?
Geez, if this cannot stand up to my simple, but legitimate questions, how is it going anywhere?
Knock off with the insults about “needing better medication”.
All laws are “technicalities”
Don’t know for sure, but I think any appointments made by Obama - anybody chosen to serve with him and on his cabinet, would be nullified. President Bush would stay in office an additional 90 days until a special election could be held. That was what I heard on another discussion about this yesterday.
I do nothing for Obama. You need to ramp down your caffeine intake this morning and un-wad your bloomers.
I seriously doubt anything will come of this, but it does point out the opposite side of a coin that should no longer exist. There is no doubt that Obama was born to a natural born, American citizen mother. Even though I care nothing for him, he did grow up American with a natural born American parent and maternal grandparents caring for him, mostly in Hawaii.
But, if Obama were the child of two foreign nationals, the mother of whom managed to enter the US illegally and have her child in a US hospital at taxpayer expense, well, that baby would be a “natural born citizen” and eligible for all rights due a natural born American citizen, including the right to run for president.
This notion that being born on US soil to parents of any background makes one a “natural born citizen”, and being born to American citizens outside the US throws one’s citizenship into question, well, that is something that needed to be corrected decades ago, and it now makes it almost impossible for us to enforce any sane immigration policy, or control who can enter this nation and stay.
“entire Constitution would be dispensed with “in a purely technical way”, and I pray that never happens”
I disagree with you.
The “technical” part of the law is where every argument originates. Thats why lawyers make the big bucks. Every law is open to litigation, meritorious or not. How many times has a criminal been freed because of a “technicality”?
The left uses technicality of the law every challenge it makes. The ACLU don’t exist because of cut and dried law. Every challenge they sue for is based on interpretation of the technical fine points in law.
Nesnah is an Obat communication jammer. They show up on all eligibiloity threads with great tenacity.
I would suggest not waste molecules on him.
Oh, and by the way, I understand the implications far beyond what you might expect.
I don’t want that sorry POS in office anymore than you do. But, what has been presented here does NOTHING to further the “unnatural-born citizen” argument.
Tsk ...protest, protest.
Thx for explaining, understood well...and it brings me this concern. I didn’t see anything that stated the 3 top vote getters had to be the 3 considered. See the caps below, that says to me Congress can kinda just decide on it’s own by law. They don’t care what we think now, so what prevents them from going outside of those 3 candidates? Anything you are aware of?
“then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the CONGRESS may BY LAW provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, DECLARING WHO SHALL BE PRESIDENT.”
But they left out a few pages cause they ween’t fit for children’s eyes....Hope the Globe prints it ALL!
Where is the information she was in Cuba? I have never heard that before.
My apologies. The chronology you provided was not apparent in the original post.
Too, I’m playing devil’s advocate.
Oh, now I’m and Obot communication jammer on other threads?
Proof, please, of your assertion?
You have none, as there is none.
Do your search of ANY post I have ever made on this site and you will see for yourself.
Please keep this thread clear of sarcasm as it deviated last nights discussion of breaking events.
I just started listening to Ed Hales ‘s station in the past few days. At least he PRODUCED DOCUMENTS of import. Give this guy some credit. Go to Plains Radio and see the docs for yourself.
As a word of warning on the deviations.... stay clear of poster “Star Traveler” and do not reply to his posts. They will only take up bandwidth and your/ours time. See this thread for proof ...... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2157797/posts
“So she had a baby in Hawaii, immediately flew to Kenya that day”
Chronology aside, she has proven herself not-averse to leaving that child with her own mother as the POE documentation is only ^speculated^ to have information of the young child.
Well, as I have said, eligibility or not aside, if Barack Obama has perpetuated a systematic lie upon the American people by claiming to have been born in the US—when he was not—it is an act of fraud and a criminal liability.