Evans/Associated Press
PROTEST Hundreds objected to the mandated flu vaccinations.
Posted on 01/04/2009 6:48:39 PM PST by neverdem
Evans/Associated Press
PROTEST Hundreds objected to the mandated flu vaccinations.
THE state’s new law requiring young children attending licensed pre-school and child care centers to get flu vaccinations will be tested this week when thousands of children return to classrooms and playrooms after the long holiday break.
New Jersey, the first state in the nation to require flu shots for young schoolchildren, set a Dec. 31 deadline for parents to obtain flu vaccinations for their children. It was part of a new policy requiring a total of four additional immunizations for schoolchildren over the objections of some parents who worry about possible risks from vaccinations.
The requirement applies to children between 6 months and 5 years who are attending licensed day care and preschool programs. State public health experts said that flu shots for young children are important for overall public health.
“Stopping flu transmission among kids will stop flu transmission in the community at large,” said Dr. Tina Tan, the state epidemiologist.
Health officials said they would not know until after the holiday how many children have met the requirement. The state relies on schools, preschools and day care centers to collect immunization records from parents and then forward the information...
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An advisory panel for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said that all children ages 6 months to 18 years should receive an annual flu shot.
In New Jersey, preschoolers are also required to get a vaccine against the germ that causes pneumonia. That vaccination was due at the beginning of the school year. Sixth graders are required to get a vaccine against meningitis and a booster against tetanus, diphtheria and pertussis. Children who enroll in school after the new year, perhaps from other states or countries, must also be vaccinated...
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There is NO REASON for this vaccine being required.
Fixed it.
The people behind this protest appear to be against all vaccines - not just the flu vaccine.
http://njvaccinationchoice.org/
How about it helps prevent the flu?
The argument against all vaccines is just not rational. The argument against particular vaccines on a case by case basis can be rational and valid.
You do realize that there is more than one strain of the influenza virus, right?
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It doesn't.
It has the same problems as the flu shot for an adult. The strain that will make them ill isn't in the shot.
NJ is NOTORIOUS for pushing vaccine's. Years ago we rejected a pneumonia shot for a baby. It was unnecessary. She never got pneumonia.
A problem with these vaccines is that they aren't WEAK. They are STRONG. It's no longer a watered down shot to put the body through a mock fire drill. Many believe in NJ with the HIGH rate of Autism is due to unnecessary vaccines. One in 94 births here is Autistic.
Yes - and due to mutations / evolution a new shot is required each year and sometimes they don’t get the mix correct so it doesn’t protect like it should.
Do you support the use of any vaccines?
Getting the vaccinations is probably wise, but the nanny state’s mandatory route always generates backlash. I’d like to see these immunization schedules more spread out. Our knowledge of immunology is not that sophisticated.
yes but the govt knows better than you or I. They care more too. They are literally mental supermen who know all and see all.
I hadn’t realized the autism rate was so high.
While I totally agree with you that these vaccines are strong and many vaccines are unnecessary, the stat you quote is dependent upon the wide interpretation of the diagnosis of autistic, which is highly suspect due to the amount of federal monies and grants involved for school districts across the nation.
Exactly.
I have no idea how I got this but I contracted a staph infection - MRSA. When I completed my round of antibiotics they wanted me to use soap surgeons use to scrub up. I gave them lip service and didn't bother. Instead we got rid of ALL the antibiotic soaps. We must have strong immune systems and ONLY use antibiotics when they are truly needed.
Medical community claim there is no relationship between autism and massive immunization. Look up autism rate Amish on google. Several universities surveyed Amish communities and found their autism rate is 1/100 of non Amish rates. Amish in general do not immunize their kids at the rate we immunize our kids. No body is looking at these studies to draw a conclusion nor expand on them to get to a conclusion. If I were king for the day, I like to see a state in the US experiment by spreading the shot schedule out and another state eliminate shots for non life threatening illnesses and see what happens to the autism rate in their state.
One of the only vaccines left that contains mercury if flu. Noone in our family is taking it. Last year they gave out a vaccine for flu that did not match the strain that was circulating. Children here DO NOT need a flu shot to attend school but the doctors will attempt to jab them with it anyway.
You have to use the most liberal definition of autism to reach the 1 in 94 figure. Any shyness is enough to be classified as autistic under the definition they are using.
>>How about it helps prevent the flu?<<
I got dead sick for two years of getting it. I will never get another.
Nor my kids. And I’m not against vaccines. Just Flu vaccine.
I see your point. There are always those that will exploit the government for $$$ but I must say it is HIGHER in NJ than elsewhere.
100% agreement from here. No more flu shots for me or my kids either.
Did you mean "exercise"? BIG difference -- and there are some gays effectively into practicing what you referenced.
Better question... What is the limit of any government to control the bodies of the citizens?
/johnny
You could be right. We also have a higher average of corrupt politicians, union bosses, school superintendents, etc...
This state needs an enema.
Sorry to correct the previous post, children do not need flu immunization to attend elementary school. For that matter check out all the EXTRA shots given to preschoolers only good until they are about 4 years old. These shots are not REQUIRED for entrance into public school. Check your state Dept of Health website and research it for yourself.
And my poor hubby. I talked him into it, thinking that they were a great idea.
His upper arm was sore for a month.
In the last three years we have had a few runny noses, some congested coughs and a few sneeze attacks. We had the first case of the “upsies” last week. We do just fine without this shot.
nationwide: 1 in 156
Well of course they are going to claim that. Yet they QUIETLY setttle suits outside of court.
“Several universities surveyed Amish communities and found their autism rate is 1/100 of non Amish rates. Amish in general do not immunize their kids at the rate we immunize our kids. No body is looking at these studies to draw a conclusion nor expand on them to get to a conclusion.”
That would be interesting to explore that. I have my doubts about that rate with the Amish. If anything the Pharms would be pestering them to shoot up. I truly doubt that 1/100 of Amish kids are autistic.
“If I were king for the day, I like to see a state in the US experiment by spreading the shot schedule out and another state eliminate shots for non life threatening illnesses and see what happens to the autism rate in their state.”
I think the best way to handle it is to let parents decide what they want to do and not coerce this through laws.
There is a lot of controversy around this vaccine anyway. The interaction of these is thought to be what is causing autism. And I believe the Measles component is a live virus.
The autism lobby has exceeded even the PETA types and the MADD mothers in it’s shrillness. Science doesn’t matter to them, the only thing that’s important is having somebody with deep pockets to blame.
Exactly my thinking. I got the worst flu of my life.. six days of fever 103+, after the last flu shot I received. If it’s not a guarantee, which it never could be, what’s the point of putting this unknown potentially harmful substance into my body? Because they’re giving them away ‘free’ at the Rite Aid pharmacy from 1-3 p.m.? I don’t think so.
The link between autism and vaccines is not anything new. I had a friend who was a special ed teacher of autistic and she told me ten years ago there was a huge increase in the numbers of these kids entering schools. She said they thought it was due to the vaccines.
We have done homeopathic flu vaccination for ten years, no flu in ten years. They have all the vaccines available in this way. Each year we get it. It is the homeopathic version of each years flu shot. IMHO it is the chemicals in the shot rather than the vaccine.
Thanks for the link.
What is a “homeopathic flu vaccination”?
>>I think the best way to handle it is to let parents decide what they want to do and not coerce this through laws.<<
To this I say “Amen!”.
Our homeschooling group still has “Chickenpox parties” so the kids are exposed and don’t have to get the shot.
The HPV shot is another that bugs me. I will not get it for my girls and I will tell them of the risk of cervical cancer with HPV, so keep your legs shut. At eighteen if they want it, that is their choice.
My niece just tested positive for HPV. I broke down and cried.
>>Because they’re giving them away ‘free’ at the Rite Aid pharmacy from 1-3 p.m.? I don’t think so.<<
LOL!
Ya got that right!
http://elixirs.com/NEWSLETTER/DOLIVAXIL.cfm
>>She said they thought it was due to the vaccines.<<
Actually, I don’t think it’s the vaccines per se, but the combo shots.
A friend of mine has an Autistic son. She has scheduled every sibling with a different schedule of vaccines. Never a combo. They are all fine. The Autistic boy (who is totally non-verbal) was perfect before one of the combo shots at two years old.
Hey, if you don’t like the “regulations” get the hell out! End of story.
Vitamin D3 likely does a BETTER job than any flu shot. Do a little research.
Yes, that's how long ago I first heard about the anti-vaccination types. There was all kinds of that garbage bundled up with the natural childbirth stuff my ex was subjected to when she was having our first child.
I’ll definitely look that up. When I start getting sick I just up fluids (juice, water, gatorade, etc) and fruit. I’ll buy some VitC drops as well. I that won’t work for everything, though.
the combo is horrible for dogs, too. They really only need parvo and distemper... our society is too vaccine crazy without understanding how they even work in our immune systems.
VERY true!
No one knows for certain what causes it... and studies are normally not done by people without a dog in the hunt, which means you cannot rule out or in vaccinations.
The reason why vaccines are required is that high vaccination rates reduce the chance of epidemic. An epidemic requires one person to pass the disease on to several. Having many people immune in the population can cut the chances of that.
In particular, people who are in close proximity to many others, such as those in government schools, receive preferential benefit from vaccination.
Having the government decide on the vaccine and then give it away free is flawed policy. The time required to develop the vaccine gives the virus time to mutate. When there were many different manufacturers and developers, there were several different vaccines available. Some were worthless, but some were effective, others were partially effective. When it was known what the common flu virus for that year had mutated to, doctors had choices of which vaccine to give to each population.
Most healthy adults would be given the least effective vaccines for the placebo effect.
Doctors and nurses would be given the most effective vaccines, with the next, partially effective vaccines given to children and teachers.
The small companies who, through luck, had developed the most effective vaccine that year would sell out. The less effective vaccines would sell some, enough to keep them trying for next year. Some 30% to 50% would actually be immunized each year, which with careful placement is plenty to prevent epidemic.
Now, only one vaccine is available. There is no ability to preferentially place immunity. A much higher vaccination rate is required to get the necessary population immunity. Even so, every 7 years or so the vaccine is ineffective, and people are exposed to the risk of epidemic. At best, there is risk of shortage, as foreign companies that sell to the US government are the only suppliers, and expect some little gain, but no chance for big profits. Quality control problems have led to shortages.
The purpose: To make the world safe for socialized medicine, the government must require a single vaccine, so that epidemics can occur, justifying even more government intervention.
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