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Creationism Makes Its Mark
religion dispatches ^ | January 6, 2008 | Lauri Lebo

Posted on 01/07/2009 6:00:18 PM PST by Inappropriate Laughter

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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop

You two definitely have a gift for writing, not to mention good manners. We could all learn a lot from you.

God Bless—GGG


141 posted on 01/09/2009 7:52:24 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins; tpanther
Besides, it's amazing for all the sinning so far, all of us aren't turning up like that. Only a minor percentage seems to be paying for the fall of man, ay?

Considering the miscarriage rate is estimated to be about 35%, more of us would end up that way because most miscarriages are a result of defects that prevent viability.

The problem is not being able to distinguish between design and deterioration.

The most perfectly designed system will not continue to work perfectly forever once corruption enters the picture.

It's no reflection on the design.

Could you perhaps, provide an example of how you would create a system that would not deteriorate in light of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics?

142 posted on 01/09/2009 7:58:56 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: labette

Must be. They’re big on posting pictures of horrendously deformed babies to charge God with evil or something.


143 posted on 01/09/2009 8:00:05 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: labette; tpanther

I find it reprehensible that someone would exploit a poor baby to further their agenda of mocking God.

I wonder if they have permission from the parents to do so and how those parents would feel about their child being exploited for that purpose?

For me, I see that sort of thing as a a good justification for the use of the abuse button.


144 posted on 01/09/2009 8:02:40 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Tench_Coxe

There’s been a lot of the lately. Look at sign up dates on this thread alone.


145 posted on 01/09/2009 8:09:41 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Tench_Coxe

So many people are in a tailspin because it was a cross burned into the kids arm.

Like it would have been a less serious offense if it had been some other symbol burned into his arm?


146 posted on 01/09/2009 8:11:42 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Old Landmarks; wintertime

They worship Big Government about anything. Check out the mandatory vaccine threads and see where they stand.


147 posted on 01/09/2009 8:16:36 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: webstersII

I’ve had college level biology courses when I was a Bio major before I switched to meteorology and they never touched evolution.

They’re putting the cart before the horse. Much of evolution hinges on biology, not the other way around. Biology is needed to support the ToE but the ToE is not needed to support biology.

There’s tons of biology that can be done without bringing evolution in it. If it wasn’t included in high school biology, I doubt many kids would even notice.

All that claim is is justification to impose their worldview.


148 posted on 01/09/2009 8:21:06 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Dog Gone

“Perhpas this tesla coil was a bit stronger than yours. “

Tesla coils operate on extremely high voltage with hardly any amperage. If amperage is too high you can get burns, ie car batteries. If the tesla coil was designed properly the likelyhood of a burn would be very low. The teacher probably didn’t intend to brand anyone, he just didn’t know what he was doing.


149 posted on 01/09/2009 8:24:13 AM PST by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: wintertime; allmendream; atlaw

Don’t let them snow you. They know what is meant by *macro-evolution.

I’d like them to explain how changing the number of chromosomes in a creature can ever result in a positive beneficial mutation. Any time there’s a change in the number of mutations in humans it results in serious birth defects, often rendering the individual sterile.

The other thing is is that DNA appears to be resistant to major changes.

Twin Strands Of DNA Seek Each Other Out
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1961038/posts


150 posted on 01/09/2009 8:29:22 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: doc30; labette; betty boop; Fichori; valkyry1; MrB; GodGunsGuts; Alamo-Girl; CottShop; ...
The Catholic Church has learned that when physical reality and the Bible do not agree, it is the human interpretation of Scripture that needs to be re-examined.

Reality? What reality? The *reality* that someone decides they see in the lab?

In case you haven't heard, "truth" is a word best avoided in science.

What about the thought that if science and Scripture conflict that it's the human interpretation of the SCIENCE that needs to be re-examined?

Or has it never occurred to you that science could be wrong about something?

151 posted on 01/09/2009 8:37:00 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: allmendream; metmom

Because God is not applicable directly to science. It informs the opinions and philosophies of scientists such as myself who are Christian most certainly, but nobody wants to hear what a scientists “feels” about the data in his science publications.


How can the author not be applicable to that which He is responsible for being in the first place?... that’s wholly and utterly non-sensical!

It sounds very sovietesque to keep your opinions thqat formulate your science philosphies silenced, as if they’re somnehow taboo! Not to mention puts up a wall between communications and scientific exploration!

The chemist didn’t talk about his feelings other than that he didn’t see any progress to be made with evolution, he could just as easily used the word I don’t “predict”, instead of “I feel” and you know it and everyone knows it.

The rest of your strawman isn’t worth arguing anymore, you’re just never going to understand it is strawman with your obvious bias in the way.


152 posted on 01/09/2009 8:38:03 AM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: wintertime; webstersII
Macro evolution is of importance to only **one** group of people: Scientist studying Macro evolution. The rest of the scientific world never has any reason to apply it to their work, and pays little attention to it.

That's certainly true in the hard, physical sciences.

153 posted on 01/09/2009 8:38:42 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: hosepipe

There’s a BIG difference between multiplying pennies (essentially functionally and physically identical, each unit-wise) vs. biological multiplication via sexual reproduction. If the same genetic stock is multiplied over and over again, it results in increasing incidents of genetic defects. Look at the Pakistani kissing-cousin communities in Britain, to witness how bad it can get with just a few generations.

You must have flunked biology, Samson.


154 posted on 01/09/2009 8:41:43 AM PST by MyTwoCopperCoins
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To: metmom

The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is based on the assumption that all constituents’ behaviors are more or less predictable (mass changes, temperature changes, energy changes, etc.).

To stretch that to living systems where each constituent unit will have unpredictable behavior to a large extent, is silly.


155 posted on 01/09/2009 8:44:01 AM PST by MyTwoCopperCoins
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To: metmom

==Reality? What reality? The *reality* that someone decides they see in the lab?...In case you haven’t heard, “truth” is a word best avoided in science.

Excellent point Metmom.


156 posted on 01/09/2009 8:44:05 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins; hosepipe

Then perhaps you could explain this bottleneck?

FWIW, at least the creationists postulate that the original DNA would have been perfect, 100% functional (no junk DNA) DNA. Evos can’t claim that, argue against a bottleneck because of genetic defects and then have something like this to deal with.

Explain it please. How did the initial group of people avoid becoming so inbred as to die out before they multiplied enough to become millions of the American Indians that populated this continent? And Central and South America?

Indian DNA Links To 6 ‘Founding Mothers’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1985244/posts


157 posted on 01/09/2009 8:46:16 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
Wow, metmom. I have heard of invincibly ignorant, but that must be about five times I have answered your chromosome number change question, and yet you still say there is no explanation offered.

I would answer you again if you want, but what is the point when next week you will still pretend there is no answer to your question?

158 posted on 01/09/2009 8:50:23 AM PST by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?)
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To: metmom
On topic!!

So many people are in a tailspin because it was a cross burned into the kids arm.
Like it would have been a less serious offense if it had been some other symbol burned into his arm?


I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Are you saying that no one would care if this teacher burned a random indecipherable shape onto his arm? I highly doubt that.

Though the cross aspect of it coupled with his proselytizing certainly draws interest.
159 posted on 01/09/2009 8:54:59 AM PST by whattajoke
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins
[ You must have flunked biology, Samson. ]

If humans are all about flesh you could be correct.. but if humans are all about the spirit you could be quite wrong.. Some believe that the flesh is just a "space suit" for the human spirit.. Even if the flesh don't work too good.. the spirit may be fully operable and intact..

Could be that being human in the flesh is a test for the human spirit..
Better not to flunk reality..

160 posted on 01/09/2009 8:58:00 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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