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Obama going to pot?
One News Now ^ | 1/6/2009 | James L. Lambert

Posted on 01/10/2009 1:17:51 PM PST by IbJensen

Esquire magazine recently reported that representatives from Barack Obama's administration team admit the president-elect will give strong consideration to decriminalizing marijuana by the end of his tenure in office.

Those remarks follow comments issued last summer by Rep. Barney Frank (D-Massachusetts), who introduced H.R. 5843 -- an act to remove federal penalties for the use of marijuana by "responsible adults." According to CNN, the liberal lawmaker "doesn't think it's the government's business to tell you how to spend your leisure time."

Lending the Esquire article additional credence is an interview with Obama, recorded in January 2004, during which the then-U.S. Senate candidate expressed interest in decriminalizing the personal use of pot. (See YouTube video)

As someone who is very much aware of how this drug has harmed so many people from my generation, I adamantly disagree with this "floating" proposal. The U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency lists marijuana as "a Schedule 1 controlled substance, meaning it has a high potential for abuse."

It's irresponsible for members of the incoming administration to float this idea and to send such a message to millions of young Americans -- although I'm sure many supporters of medical marijuana use would disagree. But I think they should reconsider. Currently more than 50 head shops in San Francisco act as fronts for marijuana distribution in that city. According to The O'Reilly Factor, these shops not only attract petty crime but other non-desirable activity as well.

Anyone who knows anything about drug abuse knows that marijuana has been a "gateway" drug for many of those who use and abuse hard narcotics. Many people are first exposed to that dark world through a few puffs of a supposedly "innocent" marijuana cigarette.

Marijuana desensitizes people -- and its everyday use makes people lazy and unproductive. And it's addictive! I have personally seen this substance harm friends from school days past. Perhaps that's why I am so upset that consideration would be given to decriminalizing its use.

Still, Congressman Frank garnered support from seven other Democratic House members in sponsoring his legislation. Included in that group was Rep. Barbara Lee from California's District 9 (Berkeley and Oakland). By voicing her support, Lee -- a member of the House Black Caucus -- made light of the recreational use of a drug that is destroying the lives of hundreds of her own constituents.

If Lee wants to act responsibly and do something constructive, she should target the drug dealers in her district who are irreparably damaging the lives of untold numbers of people. Ironically, though, Congresswoman Lee's tact is to say that present drug enforcement laws are "inhumane" and "immoral."

Similarly, if president-elect Obama wants to act responsibly, he should immediately retract this reckless proposal being "floated" by his advisors.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agenda; barneyfrank; bho2008; hr5843; legalizeandregulate; legalizemarijuana; potheads; rats; taxandregulate; wod
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To: IbJensen
its everyday use makes people lazy and unproductive

Thats okay, the liberals will be happiest when everyone is a parasite living off of the government

51 posted on 01/10/2009 2:16:40 PM PST by mjp (Live & let live. I don't want to live in Mexico, Marxico, or Muslimico. Statism & high taxes suck)
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To: trumandogz

Nor can they really, it is a state issue.


52 posted on 01/10/2009 2:17:16 PM PST by Seven Minute Maniac
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To: AZLiberty; All

That is my big beef with Reagan... His escalation on the War on Drugs..


53 posted on 01/10/2009 2:23:38 PM PST by KevinDavis (Thomas Jefferson: A little rebellion now and then is a good thing)
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To: Big_Monkey; All

Ditto...


54 posted on 01/10/2009 2:24:31 PM PST by KevinDavis (Thomas Jefferson: A little rebellion now and then is a good thing)
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To: IbJensen

I love a good legalize pot thread! Good arguments by all. My personal opinion is that what you do at home is your business. I will also say I know people that would rather work at a low pay, unskilled job then go pee in a bottle to get a job that pays twice as much......such as the oilfield industry. This creates many job op’s for me......have CDL, can pass drug test, will travel. I’ll have fries with that please....


55 posted on 01/10/2009 2:33:29 PM PST by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: LibFreeOrDie
Meanwhile, they’re on the road to criminalizing tobacco, sugar, fat, fast food, and junk food.

And, also meanwhile, Ritalin addled kids and Prozac pounded moms, in search of another govt teat to suck on, run rampant...

These pot threads are always fun to watch. The hatred of liberty can run as deep here as on any leftist board. The utter raw fear that, Oh MY FREAKING GOD, somebody somewhere might actually be able to grow what they want in their garden and have what they want on their coffee table is almost fun to watch. But, of course, it actually sucks to have to watch it.

If one can not tolerate freedom for their neighbors, one can not tolerate freedom period.

The solution will only come by

-- killing drug warriors by the gaggle in every no knock raid and every way possible. As a society, we simply are failing to kill enuf drug cops. Real death tolls will make a difference.

-- teaching kids the concepts of classic liberalism. Live and Let Live and Don't tread on me must get in to our kids heads. Unwavering love and trust for Individual Responsibility and Limited Government must be inculcated in our youth.

-- shaming shunning and actively discriminating against the dumbass's that support the drug war.

Okay, end rant.

56 posted on 01/10/2009 2:33:46 PM PST by FreeRadical (Pray. Make Babies. Teach. Repeat.)
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To: IbJensen

If marijuana represents such a threat ,and the enforcement against it is to continue to be such a vast expense for society to bear , then it must follow that we need to re-visit the total banning of all alcoholic beverages and spirits .
We need to outlaw and ban killer tobacco too. Both of these substances have a long and indisputable record of bringing death and major health crisis to their helplessly addicted users . The fact that consenting adults freely choose to use them should be overridden by laws maintaining the public order and safety . Build more prisons now !


57 posted on 01/10/2009 2:34:16 PM PST by LeoWindhorse
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Interesting point!


58 posted on 01/10/2009 2:35:19 PM PST by doberville
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To: IbJensen

Continue to allow drug testing and exclude users from all responsible and high paying jobs and professional educational opportunities. This can be done at the state level.

PUT A HUGE TAX ON IT. I’ve always wanted to put a huge tax on dopers. They’re mainly liberals anyway. If they like taxes so much, let THEM pay them.


59 posted on 01/10/2009 2:38:59 PM PST by LongTimeMILurker
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To: IbJensen
According to CNN, the liberal lawmaker "doesn't think it's the government's business to tell you how to spend your leisure time."

Unless, of course, you want to listen to conservative talk radio, go shooting on the weekends, have a cigar, eat fatty foods, or a whole host of other things the government decides you can't decide to do on your own.
60 posted on 01/10/2009 2:40:58 PM PST by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: IbJensen

If it really helps “pro-pot voters” to forget to vote during each future election, then I’m for it.


61 posted on 01/10/2009 2:52:43 PM PST by johnthebaptistmoore (Conservatives obey the rules. Leftists cheat. Who probably has the political advantage?)
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To: gusopol3
“will employers be able to hire/fire on the basis of + urine drug screen in your idealized world of decriminalization ? “

You're probably confusing decriminalization with legalization. Decriminalizing marijuana will not make it legal. Even if it was legalized though, that doesn't mean employers won't test for it. Some employers will not allow cigarette smokers to work for them, even if they smoke only when off work and not on company property. These polices have been tested in courts and the employers have won. If they can do this to people who smoke cigarettes, a legal product, they can do it to people who smoke pot even if pot is legalized.

“Because of the persistence of the substance, it makes casual use and employment mutually exclusive.”

Nonsense. Most pot smokers are employed. Look at the government statistics on this. The overwhelming majority are full time employed. Only a small percentage are unemployed. Plenty of casual pot smokers smoke a little weed in the evenings and/or on weekends and do a great job at work. You're just way off base here.

62 posted on 01/10/2009 2:56:21 PM PST by SmallGovRepub
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To: SmallGovRepub
Plenty of casual pot smokers smoke a little weed in the evenings and/or on weekends and do a great job at work

If I'm "way off base here," why do you need to send out a strawman to make your argument? That wasn't my point, and the rest of your post makes it clear that you knew that.

63 posted on 01/10/2009 3:06:02 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: LeoWindhorse
"re-visit the total banning of all alcoholic beverages and spirits ."

If someone tries to take my Budweiser away, I swear I'll exercise my 2nd Amendment rights.

Leave my booze alone. And my cheesburgers. And cigars. And chemically and genetically enhanced vegetables of all kinds. There.

64 posted on 01/10/2009 3:10:22 PM PST by Big_Monkey
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To: jonrick46
“I suspect that Zero will eventually decriminalize meth and crack. Once pot is old hat, people will want new toys. And Zero knows all about it.”

Decriminalizing pot at the federal level won't make it legal. It really wouldn't make much difference at all since most simple possession arrests are not made by federal officers under federal law. Decriminalization just means taking the threat of jail away. Several states have decriminalized pot. They just fine people for it. In most states that have decriminalized it is no longer a criminal offense, not a misdemeanor or felony anymore. It's a “violation” or an “infraction,” and people are just ticketed for it like they would be for a speeding violation. It is not legal though. And the bottom line is that per capita marijuana use in states that have decriminalized it is about the same as it is in states that haven't decriminalized it. In the grand scheme of things it really doesn't make any difference in the number of users whether possession of a small amount is a “violation” or “civil infraction” or a misdemeanor crime.

65 posted on 01/10/2009 3:11:53 PM PST by SmallGovRepub
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To: IbJensen

Personally, I will be glad to see the demise of the dead raccoon under the front porch of the federal marijuana laws. Too dang expensive, too dang punitive, and not just unconstitutional, but erosive to the rest of our legal system.

Let’s be done with it.


66 posted on 01/10/2009 3:18:19 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: gusopol3
If I misunderstood you, I apologize. You said that, “Because of the persistence of the substance, it makes casual use and employment mutually exclusive.” I took that to mean that you didn't think even casual pot smokers could work. Perhaps you were referring to the length of time THC metabolites will show up in the urine of someone who smokes pot? I'm guessing now that that's what you meant. If so, I would point out that we have millions of pot smokers in this country and most of the are full time employed. I guess most of them work at jobs where they don't drug test their employees, or they work at places that for the most part only do pre-employemnt testing and they quit long enough to get a job and then start again after they do their preemployment drug screen.
67 posted on 01/10/2009 3:31:19 PM PST by SmallGovRepub
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To: IbJensen

the president-elect will give strong consideration to decriminalizing marijuana by the end of his tenure in office.

Bout time


68 posted on 01/10/2009 3:45:07 PM PST by DoingTheFrenchMistake
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To: IbJensen

Didn’t the US sign some treaty that addressed this? But O don’t follow no stinking treaties. Legalize “blow” too dufus.


69 posted on 01/10/2009 3:45:09 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Mail your shoes to CAIR)
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To: SmallGovRepub

agreed


70 posted on 01/10/2009 3:57:31 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: humblegunner

I’m going to get blasted but here goes...pot should be decriminalized...the whole war on drugs was ill advised, didn’t work and has seriously undermined our rights. Obviously, There are many non-violent offenders who use pot in jail right now...stupid waste of money.


71 posted on 01/10/2009 5:15:03 PM PST by bronxboy
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To: Ken H
Where does the Constitution delegate to the feds the power to limit firearms use and possession and require instant background checks for firearms purchases?

In fact, the Constitution specifically forbids infringement of the right to keep and bear arms. Has that stopped government from top to bottom from infringing upon that right?

72 posted on 01/10/2009 5:17:19 PM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: FFranco

I have to tell you, it’s this guy’s business and he can do as he pleases, but I hate, hate the fact that people are always trying to run your life...a few beers on the weekend does not effect a job...what ever happened to privacy? If I found out such a policy existed, I would not do business with this owner. Wow, it’s like prohibition all over again...if it’s fun they don’t want you to do it...and no I don’t smoke pot or drink much for that matter. I just think when I’m not working I should be able to and it’s no ones business.


73 posted on 01/10/2009 5:23:29 PM PST by bronxboy
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To: IbJensen

I guess I’m one of those who hopes he does. I’ll never use it, but I sure hate having so much money spent trying to stop something that can’t be stopped.


74 posted on 01/10/2009 5:27:51 PM PST by yazoo
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To: IbJensen

Some of PEBO’s jobs may be growing, transporting, and selling pot.

I hadn’t thought of that!!


75 posted on 01/10/2009 7:08:59 PM PST by jch10
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To: IbJensen; pandoraou812

I’ll support it. Cannabis should have never been criminalized.


76 posted on 01/10/2009 9:23:40 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: TigersEye; IbJensen

I doubt he will do ....Far too much money is gotten from busting people, rehabs etc . Then there are the fines & the money lawyers make....I just can’t see 0 doing it. He may talk about it but when it comes down to it I doubt it ever happens anytime soon.


77 posted on 01/10/2009 9:37:09 PM PST by pandoraou812 (Don't play leapfrog with a unicorn! ...........^............)
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To: LeoWindhorse; FreeRadical

Major kudos for both of your posts. Liberty is not for wimps.


78 posted on 01/10/2009 9:40:30 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: yazoo
If something as inherently evil as abortion can be legalized by the liberal pansies then surely pot growing and smoking can be legalized.

And why not legalize marriage between same sex couples, or perhaps a man and his animal?

Speeding is one law I can do without.

79 posted on 01/11/2009 5:48:45 AM PST by IbJensen (My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.)
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To: IbJensen

.......Speeding is one law I can do without....

Disregard it


80 posted on 01/11/2009 5:49:37 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . The original point of America was not to be Europe)
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To: DoingTheFrenchMistake

Decriminalizing pot will be the most important accomplishment to which this bozo can point.


81 posted on 01/11/2009 5:50:45 AM PST by IbJensen (My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.)
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To: bert

I regularly do.


82 posted on 01/11/2009 5:51:22 AM PST by IbJensen (My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.)
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To: TigersEye

How do you feel about legalizing cocaine and heroin?


83 posted on 01/11/2009 5:52:17 AM PST by IbJensen (My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.)
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To: ScreamingFist
My personal opinion is that what you do at home is your business.

Some make bombs at home while others kidnap and imprison victims in their homes before they kill and eat them.

84 posted on 01/11/2009 5:54:56 AM PST by IbJensen (My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.)
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To: IbJensen

I can live with that, looking at the wreckage of our economy and the soon to be failed $1T war in Iraq from our last president... If all this Obama guy does is decriminalize pot then we are good to go.


85 posted on 01/11/2009 7:00:37 AM PST by DoingTheFrenchMistake
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To: IbJensen

“If something as inherently evil as abortion can be legalized by the liberal pansies then surely pot growing and smoking can be legalized.”

The difference is that abortion is never a victimless crime. If you want to sit in your home and grow and smoke pot, and you don’t get in a car and drive under the influence, why should anyone try and stop you? We tried to outlaw liquor and it was the same dismal failure as our laws against pot. Anyone can get pot so clearly the laws against it have not done anything to curb its use.


86 posted on 01/11/2009 8:46:18 AM PST by yazoo
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To: IbJensen
Some make bombs at home while others kidnap and imprison victims in their homes before they kill and eat them.

I thought this was a thread about smoking pot. If you want to discuss the minds of lunatics....please start a new thread.

87 posted on 01/11/2009 10:38:54 AM PST by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: IbJensen
How do you feel about legalizing cocaine and heroin?

I feel that comparing cocaine and heroin to marijuana is like comparing RPGs to pea shooters.

88 posted on 01/11/2009 1:51:31 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: IbJensen

If Obama ends the so called misguided war on drugs which has done much to limit our personal freedoms...good for him. This would be an accomplishment in my opinion.


89 posted on 01/11/2009 1:54:06 PM PST by bronxboy
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To: bronxboy
It will be the only damned thing he'll accomlish in your eyes.

Just think, if a complete fraud wasn't elected you wouldn't have anything to celebrate.

90 posted on 01/12/2009 5:36:48 AM PST by IbJensen (My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.)
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To: yazoo
... and you don’t get in a car and drive under the influence...

Ah, there's the rub isn't it?

Dummies like to light up and smoke while they're driving their cars.

91 posted on 01/12/2009 5:38:54 AM PST by IbJensen (My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.)
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To: DoingTheFrenchMistake
If all this Obama guy does is decriminalize pot then we are good to go.

Wish away.

This is only a bone thrown to the potheads and other assorted druggies. The heavy lifting that was started by El Presidente Bush will be continued under this fraud until decent Americans will be puking their guts out in frustration over what to do about it.

92 posted on 01/12/2009 5:41:11 AM PST by IbJensen (My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.)
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To: IbJensen

The trend is toward legalization. New Mexico just legalized medical pot, Massachusetts just decriminalized possession. California just legalized growing co-op’s. There is much study on Alzheimer’s & pot, in the next eight Obama years we will see decriminalization which is really equal to legalization and all states will legalize medical pot, count on it.


93 posted on 01/12/2009 8:53:04 AM PST by DoingTheFrenchMistake
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To: DoingTheFrenchMistake
New Mexico, Massachusetts, Californicate.

All states controlled by left-wing imbeciles.

When you refer to studies on Alzheimer conditions and pot, does your research indicates that pot eliminates the condition or does it exacerbate it?

Perhaps youthful sucking on cannabis causes Alzeimer's disease further down life's path.

What do I know. I'm only a doctor.

94 posted on 01/12/2009 9:45:06 AM PST by IbJensen (My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.)
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To: IbJensen

yeah, you are correct...I expect nothing worthwhile to come out of the Obama administration...the rest of your post makes no sense...I think the war on drugs is a bust. It gave the government a way to take property without due process, allowed searches and wiretapping against Americans which hitherto had been illegal and it is a complete failure. I hope pot is decriminalized...I tend to be libertarian in that I am tired of the government running my life. I don’t smoke pot nor do I drink much ( a beer while watching a football game maybe).


95 posted on 01/12/2009 9:48:20 AM PST by bronxboy
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To: IbJensen
Since I like a little variety, I’ll sit down with this tub of popcorn and peruse the replys.


96 posted on 01/12/2009 9:48:56 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: bronxboy
The war against drugs would be a howling success if we simply followed Singapore's program.

"If you use or sell drugs the penalty is death.'

That would stop the scourge in its tracks and we could reduce the size of our massive police forces.

We'd probably lose a lot of politicians.

97 posted on 01/12/2009 9:56:18 AM PST by IbJensen (My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.)
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To: IbJensen

“Dummies like to light up and smoke while they’re driving their cars.”

And they can do it just as easily if it’s illegal.


98 posted on 01/12/2009 10:05:15 AM PST by yazoo
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To: IbJensen
The war against drugs would be a howling success if we simply followed Singapore's program.

A howling success, eh? Then why did Singapore and Iran have such severe heroin problems when compared to the Netherlands:

"Iran has executed more than 10,000 narcotics traffickers in the last decade;"

--www.payvand.com/news/04/mar/1012.htm

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"Iran has the highest proportion of heroin addicts in the world and a growing Aids problem."

--news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/this_world/3791889.stm

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"The GOS [Government of Singapore] nonetheless is concerned about the increase in addiction rates and recidivism among drug offenders who have undergone treatment. There are currently about 9,000 addicts undergoing rehabilitation in Singapore treatment centers, the same number as in 1995."

--http://www.state.gov/www/global/narcotics_law/1996_narc_report/index.html

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The Netherlands-- "Demand Reduction. The Netherlands has extensive demand reduction programs and low­threshold medical services for addicts, who are also offered drug rehabilitation programs. Authorities believe such programs reach about 70­80 percent of the country's 25,000 hard­drug users. [my note: in a total population of 15.1 million]

--http://www.state.gov/www/global/narcotics_law/1996_narc_report/index.html

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Using a population of 3 million for Singapore in 1996, that works out to an addiction rate of about 0.30%. Using the State Dept. figures for the Netherlands, and a population of 15.1 million, the addiction rate was about 0.17%. Nearly double!

Also note that the Singapore figure only takes into account the addicts under treatment, whereas the figure for Holland is the estimate of the total number of addicts.

Any thoughts?

99 posted on 01/12/2009 11:38:45 AM PST by Ken H
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To: IbJensen

Doc, do us all a favor and heel yourself. Good boy.


100 posted on 01/12/2009 12:06:54 PM PST by DoingTheFrenchMistake
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