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For Kurdish Girls, a Painful Ancient Ritual
The Washington Post ^ | Dec. 29, 2008 | Amit R. Paley

Posted on 01/10/2009 2:33:46 PM PST by Bushwacker777

"Sheelan Anwar Omer, a shy 7-year-old Kurdish girl, bounded into her neighbor's house with an ear-to-ear smile, looking for the party her mother had promised.

There was no celebration. Instead, a local woman quickly locked a rusty red door behind Sheelan, who looked bewildered when her mother ordered the girl to remove her underpants. Sheelan began to whimper, then tremble, while the women pushed apart her legs and a midwife raised a stainless-steel razor blade in the air. "I do this in the name of Allah!" she intoned.

As the midwife sliced off part of Sheelan's genitals, the girl let out a high-pitched wail heard throughout the neighborhood. As she carried the sobbing child back home, Sheelan's mother smiled with pride."

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: circumcision; genitalmutilation; islam; kurds
Just a note, Arabs and Iranians don't do this. Truly a horrific form of abuse as well as betrayal from mothers.
1 posted on 01/10/2009 2:33:46 PM PST by Bushwacker777
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To: Bushwacker777

Islam is Satan’s religion, liberalism his political philosophy.


3 posted on 01/10/2009 2:38:18 PM PST by NoLibZone (Islam must be completely eradicated from the face of the Earth.)
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To: Bushwacker777

beaucoup Kurds here in Nashville.

Women are not really pretty like Ukranians or Italians...a few

hairy arms and very defensive daddies

and apparently brutal moms.

sad practice....why deprive a woman of sexual pleasure

hell, it’s what makes the world go around in some respects...for me anyhow


4 posted on 01/10/2009 2:38:51 PM PST by wardaddy (Monarchists for Palin 2012)
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To: Bushwacker777
This link seems to indicate it is a considerable problem in much of the Arab world:

“Yemen, where FGM levels in some regions are known to reach 50 percent, is another example where progress is being made. A January 2001 ministerial decree banning FGM, combined with government and NGO concentration on the worst-affected areas, have, in the words of Jordan-based UNICEF communication officer Wolfgang Friedl, “considerably reduced the frequency of the practise in the space of only a few years.”

Further north in the Middle East, the record is considerably more patchy. Hampered by its policy of following up on an issue only if the local authorities themselves consider it important enough to investigate, the UN’s statistics on FGM peter out on the Egyptian-Israeli border.

Yet FGM is known to be practised throughout the Arabian peninsular, particularly in northern Saudi Arabia, as well as in southern Jordan and Iraq. A recent survey by the German NGO WADI, based in the Iraqi Kurdish city of Sulaymaniyah, showed well over 60 percent of women in the rural area of Germian, about 150 km southwest of city, had been circumcised.

There is also circumstantial evidence to suggest that FGM is present in Syria. Then, of course, there is Iran. Given the frequency of the phenomenon in the tribal areas of Iraqi Kurdistan immediately adjoining the Iranian border, and the population's close familial and cultural links to the Kurds further east, it is only logical to assume FGM exists there too.”

http://www.irinnews.org/InDepthMain.aspx?InDepthId=15&ReportId=62474&Country=Yes

5 posted on 01/10/2009 2:39:00 PM PST by marktwain
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To: Bushwacker777

why to moslem women put up with this brutal cult that dominates their lives ?


6 posted on 01/10/2009 2:39:41 PM PST by LeoWindhorse
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To: Bushwacker777
Just a note, Arabs and Iranians don't do this.

Not true my FRiend...

7 posted on 01/10/2009 2:40:35 PM PST by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: Bushwacker777
Some Arabs do. Female genital mutilation is conducted by several groups, all of them Sunni. Beside a number of Sunni Kurdish communities, some Sunni Arabs in Jordan and Saudi Arabia are also doing this. Not to mention African Muslims.

Iranians (except some Sunni Kurds) don't do this, not at least because they are Shia. I can personally testify to that. Ahem.

8 posted on 01/10/2009 2:41:44 PM PST by SolidWood (Sarah Palin - America the Beautiful)
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To: TigersEye; metmom
Barbaric people! To do this to a little girl is terrible.

Kurds who support circumcising girls say the practice has two goals: It controls a woman's sexual desires, and it makes her spiritually clean so that others can eat the meals she prepares.

What utter BS.

9 posted on 01/10/2009 2:42:43 PM PST by pandoraou812 (Don't play leapfrog with a unicorn! ...........^............)
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To: Bushwacker777

http://www.state.gov/g/wi/rls/rep/crfgm/10096.htm


10 posted on 01/10/2009 2:42:52 PM PST by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: Bushwacker777

In 2000, the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) funded the fourth in a series of Demographic and Health Surveys (DHS) conducted in Egypt. This nationally representative survey of 15,648 ever-married women aged 15-49 found that the practice is nearly universal among women of reproductive age in Egypt. Preliminary analysis of the 2000 findings show that 97 percent of women surveyed have undergone one of these procedures, which represented no change from the 1995 DHS findings. The most severe form, Type III, is rare.


11 posted on 01/10/2009 2:43:42 PM PST by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: Bushwacker777

Considering this is the Washington post, I really doubt it is anywhere near the numbers given. That being said, even one should get someone shot and we need to remove all united states aid until they change the law.


12 posted on 01/10/2009 2:44:37 PM PST by org.whodat (Conservatives don't vote for Bailouts for Super-Rich Bankers! Republicans do!)
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To: Bushwacker777

I didn’t know that the Kurds practiced this abomination.


13 posted on 01/10/2009 2:51:14 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Peace in the womb. www.abortionNO.org - WARNING, VERY GRAPHIC)
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To: Bushwacker777

“I do this in the name of Allah!”

That says it all, doesn’t it?

Here’s the joint press release from NOW, Feminist Majority, and other feminist organizations about this barbaric practice:

*Chirping crickets.*


14 posted on 01/10/2009 2:53:04 PM PST by lazypadawan
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To: NoLibZone; Bushwacker777
I don't think this FGM started with Islam. I think it started when men demanded to be in total control of women. In these tribal cultures where the man must always be in power, a woman who pleasures in sexual relations would undermine his absolute power over the woman.

At some point somewhere in history, some misguided man or maybe even woman, decided that to keep a woman from becoming a harlot, the pleasure point of sexual relations had to be destroyed. So FGM resulted.

These uneducated 9th Century goons and goonees don't want to know that science has determined that the sexual pleasure is “all in the brain” through the nervous system. If only they knew . . . they'd be chopping off nipples, ear lobes, the small of the back, various other pleasure points and removing a woman's brain.

Guess I shouldn't give them any ideas, huh?

15 posted on 01/10/2009 2:56:31 PM PST by HighlyOpinionated (YOU can get your own Bail Out . . .Dec 18 post at http://auntiecoosa.blogspot.com)
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To: Bushwacker777; All
I am loathe to repost this, but just in case you missed it?

The "instruments" some use in female genital mutilation? Coyly euphemized as "circumcision" by apologists...


16 posted on 01/10/2009 2:56:52 PM PST by backhoe (All across America, the Lights are going out...)
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To: Bushwacker777

I don’t know where you get the impression that Arabs don’t do this.


17 posted on 01/10/2009 3:01:33 PM PST by A_perfect_lady (History repeats itself because human nature is static.)
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To: Morgana
They probably are at times, just not for this.

It's a seriously sick world view.

18 posted on 01/10/2009 3:02:49 PM PST by Tribune7 (Obama wants to put the same crowd that ran Fannie Mae in charge of health care)
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To: lazypadawan

Wait. NOW has been yelling about this for decades. NOW and MS. magazine is where I first heard about it.


19 posted on 01/10/2009 3:03:04 PM PST by A_perfect_lady (History repeats itself because human nature is static.)
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To: HighlyOpinionated
I think it started when men demanded to be in total control of women.

The link I gave from the US Gov said Coptic Christians practiced it as well......which I didn't know. Good post.

20 posted on 01/10/2009 3:06:58 PM PST by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: Bushwacker777

pure child abuse


21 posted on 01/10/2009 3:29:17 PM PST by GeronL (intermitten freeper)
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To: backhoe
ok... the brown thing on the left and, the sticks on the right do, what???
22 posted on 01/10/2009 3:32:34 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist -)
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To: Bushwacker777

This is NOT circumcision. I repeat: This is NOT circumcision. The correct term is genital mutilation. The Times should be ashamed of themselves.


23 posted on 01/10/2009 3:35:10 PM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: Bushwacker777

Oops - I said Times - it’s the Wash Post!!! They should be ashamed.


24 posted on 01/10/2009 3:35:34 PM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: Bushwacker777

I’ve read that Egyptians are into it. Also, not all Kurds are Muslim; I hope most aren’t.


25 posted on 01/10/2009 3:36:43 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: marktwain
This link seems to indicate it is a considerable problem in much of the Arab world:

This subject came up a few years ago, and there were then, as now, certain peculiar people who, for reasons probably best kept private, went out of their way to try to exonerate moslems from this cultural atrocity. Back then the moslem apologists tried to say it was "only the Africans" who did this. Guess the Kurds live in Africa now.

Go figure.

26 posted on 01/10/2009 3:37:13 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: LeoWindhorse
why to moslem women put up with this brutal cult that dominates their lives ?

Why to English speakers fail badsy with this hard-o lingo that mess up they texty yo?

27 posted on 01/10/2009 3:37:51 PM PST by humblegunner (Where my PIE at, fool?)
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To: HighlyOpinionated

Their men must be dumdums. The more the woman enjoys it, the better for the husband. Unreal. I’ve read far too much on this subject and it just gets me all riled up each and every time. A beautiful gift given by God is destroyed by these pathetic worshippers of nothing more than a moon god.


28 posted on 01/10/2009 3:38:07 PM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: humblegunner

The only thing I can think of is so women don’t want to have sex. But still reproduce when (if) the male wants to have sex. Pure male control.

That is after moohamid gets tired of his goats and camels.

Barbarians.


29 posted on 01/10/2009 3:41:38 PM PST by bicyclerepair (Ft. Lauderdale Florida)
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To: Chode
ok... the brown thing on the left and, the sticks on the right do, what?

Hey, FRiend-- just a guess? I can't account for the sticks, but I believe that pine-cone looking horror is used to force the vagina open for "trimming."

I really don't know enough foul words to accurately describe what I feel about this savagery.

30 posted on 01/10/2009 3:51:27 PM PST by backhoe (All across America, the Lights are going out...)
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To: bicyclerepair
Can't have the woman like something, don't you know. *rolls eyes*

Argh. This article is sickening. I don't how many women are like that mother who would let her daughter be painfully mutilated, but if that woman represents the civilian population, they aren't that innocent. Sorry. I'm angry.

31 posted on 01/10/2009 3:57:44 PM PST by Vozda ("For equanimity in the face of blind hatred, I recommend Christianity." ~Ann Coulter)
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To: Paved Paradise
"The correct term is genital mutilation."

No, the correct term for the surgical procedure being practiced on these female children is clitorectomy. Let's not mince words here with such vague terms as female genital mutilation and circumcision. For crying out loud, the clitoris is being cut from these little girl's bodies.

32 posted on 01/10/2009 4:09:57 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: Paved Paradise

The men don’t care. As a matter of fact, Muslim men prefer dry sex.


33 posted on 01/10/2009 4:13:30 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Bushwacker777

......just in, Gloria Steinham, Nancy Pelosi and the NOW are issuing a statement denouncing the practice of female circumcision......(crickets)


34 posted on 01/10/2009 4:28:31 PM PST by wac3rd (In the end, we all are Conservative, some just need their lives jolted to realize that fact.)
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To: pandoraou812

***Barbaric people! To do this to a little girl is terrible.***

Now, now. We must not judge other cultures. After all, their cultural traditions are just as good as ours. One Week of remedial DIVERSITY TRAINING for you!

Bad Boy! go stand in the corner of a round room!

Ok, Sarc/off


35 posted on 01/10/2009 4:47:16 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (14. Guns only have two enemies: rust and politicians.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Bad Boy! go stand in the corner of a round room!

Don't you mean bad girl lol? I don't care what these barbaric people believe in. A mother who would do this to her daughter is a monster. It is being done right in this country too. The girls can have health problems for life or even die .

36 posted on 01/10/2009 4:54:49 PM PST by pandoraou812 (Don't play leapfrog with a unicorn! ...........^............)
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To: backhoe
just damn...
37 posted on 01/10/2009 5:00:56 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist -)
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To: Bushwacker777

Why does Islam hate and fear women’s sexual pleasure?

Did Mohamed have a little pecker? That would explain volumes.


38 posted on 01/10/2009 5:07:40 PM PST by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: Bushwacker777

What does the Human Rights Campaign have to say about this barbarism?


39 posted on 01/10/2009 6:03:40 PM PST by informavoracious
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To: little jeremiah

“Also, not all Kurds are Muslim; I hope most aren’t.”

Correct. There are also many Christian Kurds.

Regardless. This is a barbaric practice.


40 posted on 01/10/2009 6:29:12 PM PST by SisterK (pop culture is the opiate of the people)
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To: FormerLib

“Why does Islam hate and fear women’s sexual pleasure?

Did Mohamed have a little pecker? That would explain volumes.”

He had a gay little pecker.


41 posted on 01/10/2009 6:34:08 PM PST by SisterK (pop culture is the opiate of the people)
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To: backhoe; Chode

If I had to guess I’d say those hollow reeds are inserted after cutting to make sure everything doesn’t totally fuse when healing to allow meunstral flow in the future.


42 posted on 01/10/2009 7:10:19 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: AppyPappy
As a matter of fact, Muslim men prefer dry sex.

Guess it's hard to get those goats and camels excited.

43 posted on 01/10/2009 7:12:49 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: org.whodat
I really doubt it is anywhere near the numbers given

You are wrong.

44 posted on 01/10/2009 7:16:46 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: Neidermeyer; Chode
Chode, see #42:

If I had to guess I’d say those hollow reeds are inserted after cutting to make sure everything doesn’t totally fuse when healing to allow meunstral flow in the future.

Aggh! I'm afraid you are right.

Hadn't thought of that.

Son of a Bitch!

45 posted on 01/11/2009 12:59:18 AM PST by backhoe (All across America, the Lights are going out...)
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To: Neidermeyer; backhoe
ah yes, a politically correct, organically grown, drain tube...
46 posted on 01/11/2009 8:14:52 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist -)
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To: AppyPappy

You just made me cringe.... and you know this how?


47 posted on 01/11/2009 9:50:41 AM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: DJ Taylor

You may use the clinical term but, in fact, many of the girls are, in fact, mutilated. The clitoris is very infrequently excised in a sterile or clinical environment and there is often damage done beyond even the intent of these barbarians.

As for your “for crying out loud” statement, are you implying that I do not think this is diabolical and horrific? Come on. I call it what is IS. I will not use a benign medical term.


48 posted on 01/11/2009 9:52:51 AM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: SisterK

As vulgar as this comment was, I really think you are on to something now.


49 posted on 01/11/2009 9:53:40 AM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: Bushwacker777
"We don't know why we do it

A mother was instructing her daughter how to prepare a pot roast dinner.

The mother’s first instruction was “we start by cutting off the ends of the roast”. The daughter accepted the instruction but asked her mother, “Why do we cut off the ends of the roast”? A puzzled look came over the mother’s face as she pondered her daughter’s question. “I don’t really know why” she finally answered, “that is how my mother taught me”.

The daughter remained curious and suggested they call her grandmother and ask why. They called the grandmother only to get the answer, “I don’t really know why, that is how my mother taught me.

Not satisfied the daughter suggested they phone her great grandmother at her assisted living facility and ask her why. The nurse at the facility brought the grandmother to the phone and the daughter asked, “great grandmother, why did you teach my grandmother to cut the ends off the roast before cooking?” Without hesitation great grandmother answered, “So the roast will fit in the pot”.

50 posted on 01/11/2009 10:55:02 AM PST by MosesKnows (Love many, Trust few, and always paddle your own canoe)
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