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Obama and Mexico's Calderon to talk drug war, trade
Reuters ^ | Jan 11, 2009 | Catherine Bremer

Posted on 01/11/2009 11:24:38 AM PST by SwinneySwitch

MEXICO CITY - Battling with spiraling drug murders and an economic crisis, Mexico's Felipe Calderon will urge U.S. President-elect Barack Obama on Monday to support his drug war and stick to the NAFTA trade deal.

Their meeting in Washington, days before Obama takes office, comes after years of complaints of neglect from Mexico and much of Latin America as President George W. Bush's foreign policy focused on the Middle East and the war on terror.

With Mexico's drug violence exploding and fears that Obama could tamper with the North American Free Trade Agreement to protect U.S. workers, Calderon will try to persuade the Democrat to give Mexico some attention.

Following a tradition that new U.S. presidents meet their Mexican counterparts, Calderon will be the first foreign leader that Obama sits down with since he was elected in November.

Calderon, a dour and strong-willed conservative, is expected to ask Obama for more help fighting the drug cartels who worry foreign investors and are destabilizing Mexico, especially along the U.S. border.

Mexico wants Washington to do more to curb drug-taking in the United States and gun smuggling from north of the border because drug hitmen buy automatic weapons and other guns legally in the United States and bring them back to Mexico to use in the turf battles that killed 5,700 people last year.

"Drug trafficking is not a Mexican problem. It is impacting both societies and the criminals are operating in U.S. territory," said Armand Peschard-Sverdrup at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

"There is an opportunity for the Obama administration to address the issue from a public health standpoint... We can put people in jail but we are not addressing the root causes of the problem," said Peschard-Sverdrup, who was to dine with Calderon on Sunday evening...

(Excerpt) Read more at uk.reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: agenda; aliens; bhoforeignpolicy; bhowod; calderon; drugwarconsequences; immigration; legalizemarijuana; mexico; wod
"Canada and Mexico are not relationships that can be put aside," said Peschard-Sverdrup. "The countries are joined at the hips."
1 posted on 01/11/2009 11:24:38 AM PST by SwinneySwitch
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To: SwinneySwitch

Note the blatant propaganda in the article about drug gangs buying “automatic weapons” in the USA. If they were stupid enough to buy a Class III weapon, the serial number could be traced immediately back to the buyer. Balderdash.


2 posted on 01/11/2009 11:27:37 AM PST by darth
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To: SwinneySwitch

Mexico is becoming a serious threat to the U.S. with the violence. I believe it is getting worse in border cities. I don’t know what the answer it but I know a lot of innocent people in Mexico are being murdered. There’s a small war going on and a destablized Mexico would be disastorous for us. Imagine how many more will be coming here.


3 posted on 01/11/2009 11:29:41 AM PST by nobama08
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To: SwinneySwitch

Bush had his priorities.

Mexico’s drug violence should have been handled by MEXICO.


4 posted on 01/11/2009 11:29:42 AM PST by TribalPrincess2U (Welcome to Obama's America... Be afraid, be very afraid)
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To: SwinneySwitch

....”that Obama could tamper with the North American Free Trade Agreement to protect U.S. workers”...

one can only hope.


5 posted on 01/11/2009 11:31:25 AM PST by Kimberly GG (Shoulda, Woulda, Coulda been HUNTER.)
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To: AuntB; BGHater; SisterK; Kimberly GG; ronnyquest; Cvengr; CPT Clay; MNDude; BellStar; ...

Presidentes ping!

If you want on, or off this S. Texas/Mexico ping list, please FReepMail me.


6 posted on 01/11/2009 11:31:47 AM PST by SwinneySwitch (ObamaNation - beyond your expectations.)
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To: SwinneySwitch
Here's a snippet of the “drug war, trade” talk that they'll have:

Calderon: Those border agents are getting to be a pain.

Obammie the Commie: I'll continue the failed policy of the last 8 years.

Calderon: And what is that?

OtC: No fence. Talk in glowing terms about illegal immigrants. Try to legalize them. Ignore the incursions of your police and military forces over our border. Jail as many agents as I can.

Calderon: And what else can I expect?

OtC: I'll open our highways to your truckers and allow them to come and go as they please, thus aiding illegal immigration and drug trafficking.

Calderon: Good. Very good. And now, what can I give you in return?

OtC: Just a kilo every year or so. I never did kick that habit, and, luckily, the press never demanded my medical records. Thank God for Bill Clinton, setting that precedent.

(Hey, if the left can say Bush was unqualified because he had been and therefore still was an alcoholic, we can still assume and accuse Obammie the Commie, the self-admitted coke head, that he still uses, until he proves otherwise, and that this usage is an Achilles heel on his ability to govern.)

7 posted on 01/11/2009 11:32:22 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Abortion has become little more than the New Left's execution of political prisoners.)
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Mexico is too big to fail. The Great Leader shall bail them out........


8 posted on 01/11/2009 11:32:51 AM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: darth

Nationwide, the number of killings attributed to organized crime doubled in 2008 to more than 5,000, and no city has been harder hit than Juarez. The murder rate here is five times higher than in 2007, but Garcia says all types of crimes are skyrocketing.

“The criminals got into the schools and robbed all the teachers,” he says. “Told the teachers that they were going to come back for the Christmas bonuses of the teachers. If they don’t do it, they’re going to take hostages of the children and kill the children and kill them. So these teachers didn’t come back to school. Their schools are closed.”

Two of the nation’s most powerful criminal groups, the Juarez and the Sinaloa cartels, are fighting for control of Juarez. Both groups move billions of dollars worth of drugs into the U.S. each year, and their hit men carry high-powered assault rifles, machine guns and even grenades.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=98135986

It really is bad and getting worse. They are getting these weapons from somewhere and obviously, not legally.


9 posted on 01/11/2009 11:35:19 AM PST by nobama08
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To: TribalPrincess2U

Why is it always up to the most hated country in the world to answer to...

DO SOMETHING, HELP US, PLEASE, DO SOMETHING, WE NEED MONEY, WE NEED YOU TO GET YOUR GUNS UNDER CONTROL. It’s all your fault that we cannot control our drug runner/murderers.

Blah, blah, blah.


10 posted on 01/11/2009 11:35:42 AM PST by TribalPrincess2U (Welcome to Obama's America... Be afraid, be very afraid)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

They obviously can’t.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=98135986

These people are cold-blooded and ruthless and if something isn’t done, it will spill over here.


11 posted on 01/11/2009 11:37:01 AM PST by nobama08
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To: SwinneySwitch

Since the topic is drugs, it probably means Obama will be asking where he can buy the best Mexican weed.


12 posted on 01/11/2009 11:38:15 AM PST by PGR88
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To: SwinneySwitch
Mexico wants Washington to do more to curb drug-taking in the United States and gun smuggling from north of the border because drug hitmen buy automatic weapons and other guns legally in the United States and bring them back to Mexico to use in the turf battles that killed 5,700 people last year.

I think the author is stretching the truth here, either because of ignorance or willfull propagandist reasons.

13 posted on 01/11/2009 11:41:09 AM PST by umgud (I'm really happy I wasn't aborted)
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To: darth

Weapons ILLEGALY bought here by Mexicans and Mexican-Americans and then ILLEGALY smuggled into Mexico.


14 posted on 01/11/2009 11:41:42 AM PST by SwinneySwitch (ObamaNation - beyond your expectations.)
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To: nobama08
A comment at that site in reply to just legalize drugs...

I’m not exactly sure what legalizing drugs would solve. If you could buy drugs at the convenience store, the drugs traffiked from the murderous cartels will be sold just outside said store by someone undercutting the price and with no tax.

See ya just can't win.

Why are they decapitating bodies? Sounds like a tactic taken from our peace loving Mooses.

15 posted on 01/11/2009 11:45:49 AM PST by TribalPrincess2U (Welcome to Obama's America... Be afraid, be very afraid)
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To: SwinneySwitch

foreign investors?

Ah ha, key words here.


16 posted on 01/11/2009 11:47:22 AM PST by TribalPrincess2U (Welcome to Obama's America... Be afraid, be very afraid)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

It does sound like muslim behavior. Could be - who knows?


17 posted on 01/11/2009 11:58:29 AM PST by nobama08
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To: TribalPrincess2U
I'm not exactly sure what legalizing drugs would solve. If you could buy drugs at the convenience store, the drugs traffiked from the murderous cartels will be sold just outside said store by someone undercutting the price and with no tax.

Yeah, I see lots of people peddlng bootleg liquor outside of establishments that sell alcohol.

/s

18 posted on 01/11/2009 12:03:40 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

More proof positive, no matter the party, no matter the President, the Powers that be (CFR and such) never waver.


19 posted on 01/11/2009 12:07:06 PM PST by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: SwinneySwitch

When clinton was President he had connections with the major drug cartels, and I think got a rakeoff from Mexico.

It’ll be interesting to see if Obama re-establishes those connections and starts taking his 5%. Clinton was involved in drug smuggling from the time he was a teenager. I don’t know whether Obama ever was involved in the trade. At least I don’t think it’s been suggested that he ever went beyond being a user.


20 posted on 01/11/2009 12:17:17 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Talk,Talk,Talk,Talk,Talk, and we don’t heard any plans to back it up.


21 posted on 01/11/2009 12:37:59 PM PST by razorback-bert (Save the planet...it is the only known one with beer!)
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To: darth
If they were stupid enough to buy a Class III weapon, the serial number could be traced immediately back to the buyer. Balderdash.

Assuming they don't deface/destroy it.

But why buy an expensive Class III weapon in the US, when you can get a select fire AK-47 on the world market for $100-150. They could also get US Made weapons, captured by various groups, from friendlies we provided them to, or Chinese clones of the same. (China makes/made an M-16 "clone" but never used it themselves, I put "clone" in quotes because there are minor differences, some of which are improvements over the old M-16 models they were cloned from) We also provided M-16s to the Palestinians, which have been showing up in various Not Good hands.

The LAST place anyone would want to buy fully automatic weapon is on the US retail market. A quick Google showed an AK for about $1,500, an M-16 Carbine for $17,000. Yea, them druggies are just itching to spend 10-20X what they could spend elsewhere.

22 posted on 01/11/2009 1:13:03 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: SwinneySwitch
Thanks for the Ping.

From the article, "Drug trafficking is not a Mexican problem. It is impacting both societies and the criminals are operating in U.S. territory."

This cannot be overstated, and more Americans must either stop being in denial about the amount of crime that has spilled into our nation, or be made aware of it. While 5,700 murders in Mexico during 2008 have been attributed to drug gang violence, thousands more have occurred on US soil during this period.

As for any possibility of immigration reform, the current economic crisis enveloping our nation controls the discussion. It would be political suicide for any US President, Democrat or Republican, to try to force immigration reform upon our nation with 13.5 million Americans recently unemployed or underemployed.

The gravity and reality of the situation could force Obama to employ deportation measures similar to those undertaken by Presidents Franklin Roosevelt and Eisenhower. A deepening economic crisis will add greatly to the number of Americans opposed to amnesty for illegal immigrants, or any immigration reform that allows legal immigrantation be placed ahead of the needs of Americans.

23 posted on 01/11/2009 2:55:38 PM PST by backtothestreets (My bologna has a first name, it's J-O-R-G-E)
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To: Ken H
No sarcasm from me. You made a strong point. If recreational drugs were given the same treatment as alcohol, US business interests would have a vested interest in seeing drugs produced or offered by drug cartels be stopped.

The longer the folly of the “War on Drugs” goes, the more I am convinced our police, trial lawyers, prosecutors, the courts, and the prisons are working in tandem to keep the War on Drugs alive as their livelihoods are dependent upon it.

24 posted on 01/11/2009 3:05:14 PM PST by backtothestreets (My bologna has a first name, it's J-O-R-G-E)
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To: Ken H

Yeah, you’re are right. I don’t see that happening either. I just thought I would share the mindset of the person that made the comment.


25 posted on 01/11/2009 6:29:21 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (Welcome to Obama's America... Be afraid, be very afraid)
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To: TribalPrincess2U
I knew that! :)
26 posted on 01/11/2009 7:41:09 PM PST by Ken H
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To: SwinneySwitch

“We can put people in jail but we are not addressing the root causes of the problem,” said Peschard-Sverdrup, who was to dine with Calderon on Sunday evening...”

The root? Mexico. SECURE the border!

And Calderon wants more money! That billion and half we just sent didn’t make a dint in their corruption.


27 posted on 01/12/2009 8:00:56 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: backtothestreets
“While 5,700 murders in Mexico during 2008 have been attributed to drug gang violence, thousands more have occurred on US soil during this period.”

Not that illegals aren't a problem, but if you look at the number of murders and the per capita murder rate, it's easy to see that what you are saying here is simply not true. The number of murders has actually declined in recent decades. There were 16,929 murders in the US in 2007, 18,208 in 1997, 20,096 in 1987, and 19,120 1977. Our murder rate hasn't been going up. The number of murders has declined, and the rate per 100,000 citizens has declined even more because our population has grown. There were 8.8 murders per 100,000 in 1997, compared to only 5.6 per 100,000 in 2007.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

28 posted on 01/12/2009 9:10:32 AM PST by SmallGovRepub
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To: SmallGovRepub; backtothestreets

“There were 8.8 murders per 100,000 in 1997....”

Whoops, I meant in 1977. In 1997 there were 6.8 murders per 100,000.


29 posted on 01/12/2009 9:12:46 AM PST by SmallGovRepub
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