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Farmers blanch at idea of cow tax, EPA anti-methane effort is ridiculed
star ledger ^ | 12.28.08 | SAM ALI

Posted on 01/14/2009 10:05:09 AM PST by Coleus

It turns out "going green" may mean cutting back on those juicy steaks and burgers. The reason: Cattle and other livestock expel tons of methane gas, which wreaks havoc on the environment. The issue has become so heated, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has proposed taxing cows as a way to regulate greenhouse gas emissions under the Clean Air Act -- a suggestion that rankles dairy and cattle farmers.

Pete Staats, whose family has owned Dutch Hollow Farms in Bridgewater for several generations, thinks taxing cows is just plain strange and could put farmers out of business. "I think it's pretty stupid," said Staats, who owns about 40 beef cattle on his Somerset County farm. "If you're going to tax the cows, then you're going to tax the deer, then you're going to tax the geese. It's just ridiculous."

According to the EPA, the gas that leaks from volcanoes and millions of cows and livestock is, pound for pound, about 23 times more potent than carbon dioxide at trapping heat in the atmosphere. Under the EPA proposal, the permit costs potentially translate into $175 per dairy cow, $87.50 a head for beef cattle and $20 per hog, according to Liz Thompson, a research associate with the New Jersey Farm Bureau. A herd of 75 dairy cows would carry a price tag exceeding $13,000.

The proposal is still in the exploratory stage. Staats, a member of the Somerset County Board of Agriculture, sees the proposal as yet another blow to the small family-owned farm. He said the effects of methane from cows is minimal, "especially at the rate we're losing farmers in this country." He said of the methane, "trapping it in some way and using it would make far more sense than putting this so-called tax on it."

(Excerpt) Read more at nj.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: cowfarts; cows; epa; methane

1 posted on 01/14/2009 10:05:09 AM PST by Coleus
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To: Coleus

why does the word “bureaucrap” come to mind?


2 posted on 01/14/2009 10:06:22 AM PST by Coleus (Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!)
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To: Coleus

Tax politicians for their oral emissions, and create a terminally stupid tax on those who vote Democrat ...


3 posted on 01/14/2009 10:07:21 AM PST by mgc1122
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To: Coleus; TenthAmendmentChampion; Horusra; CygnusXI; Entrepreneur; Defendingliberty; WL-law; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

4 posted on 01/14/2009 10:09:04 AM PST by steelyourfaith
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To: Coleus
If they are going to tax cow farts, it just a short step to taxing Tex-Mex restaurants...
5 posted on 01/14/2009 10:09:44 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Coleus

The carbon that the cows eat was extracted from the air by fertilizer factories.


6 posted on 01/14/2009 10:10:16 AM PST by jdege
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To: Coleus

I wonder which state will seceed first? Based on this I’m guessing one of the states with the most agriculture.


7 posted on 01/14/2009 10:10:25 AM PST by DBrow
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To: Coleus

Cattlemen are having a tough time as it is. Add another tax on them and many will go out of business. Besides, what good will an additional tax do............get rid of the gas?


8 posted on 01/14/2009 10:10:25 AM PST by RC2
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To: Coleus

At the last Cattlemen’s meeting new geneticly improved cattle that produced less methane was introduced. (Chi cross)
I was so amused, I never asked how they knew. But at the sale of fresh heifers the going price was $5500. I just may buy a few! LOL


9 posted on 01/14/2009 10:11:24 AM PST by griswold3 (a good story is more compelling than the search for truth)
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To: mgc1122

send them old shoes filled with cow dung.
Heres a little gift from your friendly farmer.

Wheres the beef?


10 posted on 01/14/2009 10:12:28 AM PST by o_zarkman44 (Since when is paying more, but getting less, considered Patriotic?)
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To: griswold3

“It turns out “going green” may mean cutting back on those juicy steaks and burgers. The reason: Cattle and other livestock expel tons of methane gas, which wreaks havoc on the environment. “

Why? Just eat the freakin things.

By the way, how many cows does it take to expel tons of methane gas?


11 posted on 01/14/2009 10:13:17 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("Control the information, you control the people.")
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To: Coleus
Proof positive that Mark Twain was right...

"A lie will go 7 times round the world before the truth even gets its sneakers on"

12 posted on 01/14/2009 10:13:25 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: DBrow

I hope it is my beloved Texas, first to bail on the DC libtards and go independent.

BRANG BACK THE REPUBLIC OF TEXAS !!!


13 posted on 01/14/2009 10:15:15 AM PST by West Texas Chuck (US out of the UN - UN out of the US)
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To: Coleus
There's an EPA site for kids that assures them that the CO2 they breathe out is OK for the planet because they breathe out CO2 that was recently in plants- who breathed in CO2- so the net effect on Earth is negligible.

But apparently if the recently-eaten carbon is re-emitted by cattle, it's cause for concern.

So which is it- do you tax the cows or the kids?

UN has long felt that we should all eat a vegan diet, could the greens be using lies about cattle carbon dioxide to push their agenda?

14 posted on 01/14/2009 10:15:51 AM PST by DBrow
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To: Coleus

from the EPA site ...

“. It is estimated that 60% of global methane emissions are related to human-related activities (IPCC, 2001c). Natural sources of methane include wetlands, gas hydrates, permafrost, termites, oceans, freshwater bodies, non-wetland soils, and other sources such as wildfires.”

Note that it’s the IPCC report that is referenced, in the passive voice, for a statement about anthropogenic methane sources.

Anaerobic fermentation (and decay) are NATURAL producers of methane. I guess we gotta tax Gaeia.


15 posted on 01/14/2009 10:16:12 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: DBrow
I wonder which state will seceed first? Based on this I’m guessing one of the states with the most agriculture.

The agriculture lobby is huge. THey will get extra farm subsidies to cover the carbon-cow tax. Or they will be forced to grow corn for ethanol production.

16 posted on 01/14/2009 10:16:54 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Blueflag

check that : anaerobic respiration, not fermentation. oops.


17 posted on 01/14/2009 10:17:31 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Coleus

If farting, is a natural biological function to all living things and we want to get back to nature with the green movement - what are these cows doing that are un-natural and we need to tax the behavior?


18 posted on 01/14/2009 10:17:40 AM PST by edcoil (Change is easy if you want change.)
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To: DBrow

My money is on California.

“Animal welfare issues will be very much at the forefront,” he said. “There’s no doubt that Proposition 2 was a wake-up call.”

http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2009/jan/14/agriculture-panel-changes-name-takes-on-wider/


19 posted on 01/14/2009 10:19:03 AM PST by twistedwrench
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To: West Texas Chuck

If this happens, I may ask for asylum. Being an oppressed straight white male in CA should qualify, right?


20 posted on 01/14/2009 10:20:02 AM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (I figure the odds be fifty-fifty I just might have somethin' to say)
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To: Coleus

It turns out “going green” may mean cutting back on those juicy steaks and burgers....

Of course!....the left will end up taxing steaks and burgers like cigarettes and alcohol!


21 posted on 01/14/2009 10:20:10 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: RC2
Cattlemen are having a tough time as it is. Add another tax on them and many will go out of business. Besides, what good will an additional tax do............get rid of the gas?

DING, DING, DING...we have a winner!!!

22 posted on 01/14/2009 10:20:28 AM PST by Osage Orange (Ban Thugs...Not Guns!!)
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To: Coleus

The islamofacists should just take the easy road and not fight us. The left is out to kill our society, anyway. Between abortion, restriction on energy use and now, starving ourselves, all they have to do is wait about 20 years before the west falls.


23 posted on 01/14/2009 10:20:45 AM PST by Londo Molari
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To: edcoil

Actually, cows don’t fart.


24 posted on 01/14/2009 10:21:05 AM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (I figure the odds be fifty-fifty I just might have somethin' to say)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Usual length to maturity: 24months
Each cow emits 200 to 400 quarts of methane gas per day, or 50 million metric tons per year.


25 posted on 01/14/2009 10:24:44 AM PST by griswold3 (a good story is more compelling than the search for truth)
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To: o_zarkman44

Send em boxes of cow crap. Make them feel at home with their thought processes.


26 posted on 01/14/2009 10:25:38 AM PST by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 71)
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To: Coleus

Is this a joke? Seriously.


27 posted on 01/14/2009 10:25:52 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

Actually I do not see the problem.

Cow manure is “green” the last time I looked in the Lot.

And it sure makes plants grow well.

The Lefties are really really stupid.

As they say in Rio Lindo, muy estúpido!


28 posted on 01/14/2009 10:26:19 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

What do you call it.


29 posted on 01/14/2009 10:31:37 AM PST by edcoil (Change is easy if you want change.)
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To: RC2

That is the idea, to drive animal agriculture out of business altogether, so we all eat tofu and alfalfa sprouts.

Abdominal gases, which, by the way, are mostly carbon dioxide, and some methane, are produced by biological functions in the stomachs and intestines of ALL mammals, and are due, primarily, to bacterial action in the gut. The same bacteria pass with the feces, and continue the generation of carbon dioxide and methane during the decomposition of the waste. Human beings are bound by the same biological limitations of ALL mammals, in fact, most animal life, right down to lowly termites and cockroaches, and either the cows produce the methane, or the human beings do. Therefore there should be a tax assessed upon all the human consumers of agricultural products, most especially the vegans who consume mostly plant products, and generate greater amounts of methane than those who consume meat.

Maybe we could all eat dirt, and leave loam as droppings. Works for earthworms.


30 posted on 01/14/2009 10:33:32 AM PST by alloysteel (We have been taken prisoner by the American Cong. Endure. Freedom will come.)
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To: thackney

Better call www.mrmethqane.com


31 posted on 01/14/2009 10:35:05 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Coleus

Awww, come on farmers! Get with the program! Willie Nelson and John Cougar Melloncamp are big time farming activitists and they tell you to vote Democrat, and you do.

So if Willie and John say it’s ok, just go ahead and pay it. Maybe Willie will give you a discount on his ethynol he manufactures.


32 posted on 01/14/2009 10:35:13 AM PST by autumnraine
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To: Coleus
This proposed tax on animal farts has very little to do with methane and everything to go with Americans eating meat. The rest of the world does not enjoy the large supply of meat/protien products that we do and to stinking guilt ridden socialists in America that's unfair. Maybe what we should tax is socialism. However if we did that, we would likely not make a lot of $$$ in return because most of them are Utopian freeloaders.
33 posted on 01/14/2009 10:41:45 AM PST by Reflex ((same socialist crapola different day))
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To: autumnraine
Maybe Willie will give you a discount on his ethynol he manufactures.

...or pot.
34 posted on 01/14/2009 10:47:30 AM PST by McKayopectate
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To: Osage Orange

Maybe we could get some big coarks and stuff them in the cows. Hell, we don’t need milk or beef anyway.


35 posted on 01/14/2009 10:48:58 AM PST by RC2
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To: edcoil

They expel methane by belching.


36 posted on 01/14/2009 10:49:14 AM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (I figure the odds be fifty-fifty I just might have somethin' to say)
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To: Texas Fossil

“Cow manure is “green” the last time I looked in the Lot.”

That depends on how fresh it is. :) And unlike the fertilizer produced by liberals (Leftardus americanus), it serves a useful purpose.


37 posted on 01/14/2009 10:51:24 AM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (I figure the odds be fifty-fifty I just might have somethin' to say)
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To: Coleus
Gaining control over the food supply is only secondary to gaining control over self-defense weapons. Ounce those two are under ‘control’ then the hobnailed jacket-boots can be brought down on the necks of the subjects with little worry.
38 posted on 01/14/2009 10:58:42 AM PST by fella (.He that followeth after vain persons shall have poverty enough." Pv.28:19')
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To: RC2
Hell, we don’t need milk or beef anyway.

Okay...I'm stepping to the edge of the cliff here....and will say..many folks could do just fine without those two items. I don't drink milk much...and could be just ducky with poultry and wild game.

That being said...the Feds and the Eco-Feds are nuts.

I live in big, big cattle country......and this will be very harmful...if pushed thru.

39 posted on 01/14/2009 11:00:49 AM PST by Osage Orange (Ban Thugs...Not Guns!!)
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To: Coleus

This is ridiculous. Prior to ranchers, buffalo roamed the plains in such multitudes that it was impossible to see the end of the herds. I assume they had flatulence on a fairly regular basis. Deer, antelope, moose, wolves, fox, otter, mountain goats, cougars, bear were all in abundance and also have the need to pass wind. How in the world can cattle, sheep, goat farmers who have herds and flocks in far smaller amounts be required to pay a tax on flatulence? I keep waiting for people to logically refute these inane attempts to flim/flam us, but all I hear are crickets (I’ll bet they fart, too).


40 posted on 01/14/2009 1:27:35 PM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: RC2

All these taxes are paving the way for Corporate Agriculture to swoop in and buy all these failed businesses at a steep discount. The power to tax, is the power to destroy. When food prices are up over 600%, Americans may realize they have destroyed themselves.


41 posted on 01/14/2009 1:40:03 PM PST by LuxMaker (The Constitution is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary, Thomas J 1819)
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To: Texas Fossil

How do you HTML accent marks?

(Nothing like a FReeper paying close attention to the subject matter of the post, right??)


42 posted on 01/14/2009 1:55:02 PM PST by brushcop (We remember SSG Harrison Brown, PVT Andrew Simmons B CO 2/69 3ID KIA Iraq OIF IV)
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To: Coleus
Note to the EPA..


43 posted on 01/14/2009 2:33:42 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (14. Guns only have two enemies: rust and politicians.)
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To: brushcop

Actually I went to Alta Vista and their Bablefish translator and converted from English to Spanish (my spelling is bad in English and worse in Spanish). Then I pasted the translation with the accent mark into the FreeRepublic post. The editor in FreeRepublic converted it to HTML for me.

However there is a way to do this and a lot of foreign letter codes with standard keyboard using hot keys.

See following link:

http://www.starr.net/is/type/kbh.html#alt


44 posted on 01/14/2009 2:59:36 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Coleus

The only political person I’ve heard lately with more common sense than nearly all the politicians in Washington, DC, is a lovely young lady, wife, mother, and Governor of the Great State of Alaska.

I can’t believe that Governor Sarah Palin would allow the shenanigans that the Government is pulling right now under her administration.

We’uns have got to do what we must to support Governor Palin for the Presidency of the USofA in 2012.


45 posted on 01/14/2009 3:09:07 PM PST by HighlyOpinionated (The American Form of Government . . . http://www.flixxy.com/political-systems.htm)
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Howard Stern is FARTMAN
Tax This


46 posted on 01/14/2009 5:44:50 PM PST by Coleus (Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!)
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To: xcamel

They had sneakers in the 19th century?


47 posted on 01/14/2009 7:27:07 PM PST by dsrtsage (John Galt, Dagney Taggart..2008)
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