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Do You Want Obama to Succeed or Fail?
Patriot Room ^ | 1-19-09 | Scott Martin

Posted on 01/19/2009 2:12:47 PM PST by Scott Martin

I originally took the mindset that I would wish Obama the best during his presidency for the good of the country, but I kept having nagging thoughts that were bothering me. Rush Limbaugh said something the other day that made me realize the problem I was having:

I Hope Obama Fails

RUSH: I got a request here from a major American print publication. "Dear Rush: For the Obama [Immaculate] Inauguration we are asking a handful of very prominent politicians, statesmen, scholars, businessmen, commentators, and economists to write 400 words on their hope for the Obama presidency. We would love to include you. If you could send us 400 words on your hope for the Obama presidency, we need it by Monday night, that would be ideal." Now, we're caught in this trap again. The premise is, what is your "hope." My hope, and please understand me when I say this. I disagree fervently with the people on our side of the aisle who have caved and who say, "Well, I hope he succeeds. We've got to give him a chance." Why? They didn't give Bush a chance in 2000. Before he was inaugurated the search-and-destroy mission had begun. I'm not talking about search-and-destroy, but I've been listening to Barack Obama for a year-and-a-half. I know what his politics are. I know what his plans are, as he has stated them. I don't want them to succeed...

Look, what he's talking about is the absorption of as much of the private sector by the US government as possible, from the banking business, to the mortgage industry, the automobile business, to health care... So I'm thinking of replying to the guy, "Okay, I'll send you a response, but I don't need 400 words, I need four: I hope he fails...."

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To: Scott Martin

I want very much for him to succeed in some part for the sake of the country. But every indication is that he will be a failure far worse than Jeemy, for whom I voted in my foolish youth, believing that he was a believing, conservative and sensible southerner who had been a “nucular” engineer (not true as it turned out) and a successful farmer.

What we got was startling incompetence, potheads in high places on a scale never before seen, and South American style inflation, all of which he then blamed us for. And, I almost forgot, we got some of the worst military decisions by a C-in-C in our history, unmatched until Clinton (for whom I did not vote.) Since he won by discovering in the environmentalists and worshipers of the erdgeist a source of footsoldiers not theretofore utilized, we also got earth worship as an ersatz religion from which we are still suffering.


51 posted on 01/19/2009 2:34:38 PM PST by AmericanVictory
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To: Scott Martin

I don’t think it matters what I want.The inevitable end result will be a big fail.


52 posted on 01/19/2009 2:35:31 PM PST by Jubal Madison (Tommorow is going to leave a mark)
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To: Scott Martin

Big difference. Nobody here cares about the man. We care about the office and his agenda.

He will succeed if his agenda fails, if instead he does his level best to mitigate harm from things beyond his control, and to neutralize and thwart evil men who seek to do our nation and its people harm.

He will fail if he forces other to live with bad, disproven ideas that will take decades to undo. He will fail if he puts the desires of the self appointed elites of the world over the needs of his nation. He will fail if his cabal of subordinates achieve through guile what they cannot through honesty.

He will succeed if he realizes that he is not a dictator, but a leader who executes the desires of the people, not just of a small group of loud-mouthed agitators.

He will fail if he demands that people do things they do not wish to do, follow goals they do not desire, and if he strives to reduce the complexity of their lives to make the job of the voyeurs and the controllers easier.

He will succeed if he protects and defends the office of the presidency as it is, not as how he wants it to be. If he realizes that the office is greater than the man, and that he lives under the sword of Damocles.

He will fail if he tries to undermine or subvert the system to expedite his beliefs. In a rare moment his party has near absolute power over our nation. When they abuse that power, as is likely, may it be remembered with anger by the people for a hundred years.


53 posted on 01/19/2009 2:36:04 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Scott Martin

I want my country to succeed, to prosper in the traditions that made her great in the first place, and to be safe from foes at home and abroad.

I wish I could say I thought the President-Elect had the vision and agenda to accomplish that. I don’t think that he does. I do think we are in for at least four tough years, with the next 12-18 months being some of the very toughest our country has seen in a generation.


54 posted on 01/19/2009 2:36:29 PM PST by DemforBush (Somebody wake me when sanity has returned to the nation.)
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To: Scott Martin

I want the American people to succeed. I don’t much care about politicians.


55 posted on 01/19/2009 2:36:57 PM PST by decimon
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To: Scott Martin

If he wakes up in the middle of the night and has a sudden epiphany that his high-tax/big-gov’t/blame-America-first policies will lead to disaster - then I hope he succeeds.

Otherwise, he will fail regardless who wishes him well or ill.


56 posted on 01/19/2009 2:37:19 PM PST by Lou Budvis (Just like the libs said for the last 8 years: "Dissent is Patriotic")
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To: Scott Martin

fail


57 posted on 01/19/2009 2:37:36 PM PST by utahson
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To: AmericanVictory

His failure ensures the success of America.


58 posted on 01/19/2009 2:37:40 PM PST by sobieski
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To: rockinqsranch

“IMO hoping Obama fails is irrelevant. My hopes are on learning everything about whom, what is behind the man Obama whom I believe is simply a figurehead/marionette.

Who is pulling his strings? Not the people of this Nation. It is they I want to see fail as Obama will be crushed by the weight of their failure regardless.

It’s more than the MSM. It’s more than George Soros. It’s more than the Democrat Party. This election was well choreographed.

By who?”

I’ve often wondered about this Manchurian candidate. 2 years in the Senate & you get in as President? Doesn’t add up.


59 posted on 01/19/2009 2:38:15 PM PST by vidbizz
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To: Scott Martin

“I’d rather die as a freeman in my grave, then to live like a puppet or a slave”

The harder they come, the harder they fall........

FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!


60 posted on 01/19/2009 2:38:20 PM PST by lookout88 (Combat search and rescue officer's dad.)
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To: Scott Martin

I hope he fails except in preventing terrorist attacks. I also hope he doesn’t do stupid things with the military.


61 posted on 01/19/2009 2:38:24 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (What's Obama's Secret?)
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To: Scott Martin

ZerO is a figment of Soros’ imagination with a huge cash machine and fraudlent voters, coupled with a complict media who refuses to vet the maggot.

I want him to fail so we can figure out a non-RINO to run this country.


62 posted on 01/19/2009 2:38:46 PM PST by wac3rd (In the end, we all are Conservative, some just need their lives jolted to realize that fact.)
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To: Camel Joe
Me too.
63 posted on 01/19/2009 2:39:30 PM PST by wally_bert (Tactical Is Still Missing A Chair! Star Wreck In The Pirkinning......)
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To: Scott Martin

I want AMERICA to succeed, the ONLY way that can happen is if Obama fails.


64 posted on 01/19/2009 2:39:34 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Scott Martin
EPIC FAIL
65 posted on 01/19/2009 2:40:09 PM PST by Doctor Raoul (Somewhere In Kenya, A Village Is Missing It's Idiot)
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To: Scott Martin
Our country must succeed in spite of Obama. Obama’s policies makes my blood boil! I hope his political demise is swift and total.
66 posted on 01/19/2009 2:40:36 PM PST by WellyP
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To: rockinqsranch

This election was well choreographed.

By who?”

Maybe the man of perdition


67 posted on 01/19/2009 2:41:41 PM PST by lookout88 (Combat search and rescue officer's dad.)
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To: Scott Martin

succeed at what? fail at what? it makes a big difference.


68 posted on 01/19/2009 2:42:24 PM PST by chesley (A pox on both their houses. I've voted for my last RINO.)
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To: Scott Martin
I have mixed feelings about it.

It is like watching a slow motion train wreck. You cannot avert your eyes. As an economist, it pains me to witness what I am about to witness.

Obama
In short - a man who has openly stated his disdain for free market capitalism being handed the 'steering wheel' (metaphorically speaking) of the most successful formerly Capitalist nation on earth.

It is as if I am a kind of train aficionado... a connoisseur of locomotives - if you will...

Now I have just seen the equivalent of a drunk convince a nation to hand over the keys to the most beautiful train ever built - somehow convincing them that he was the best engineer that had ever come down the pike - besides the fact that he had never even driven so much as a car before.

So it appears that this drunk has won over the whole crowd. I am the only one who realizes that he is a drunk huckster and I am 100% certain that he is going to crash the train, because he is VERY drunk and knows absolutely nothing about trains.

It's a beautiful train. The best ever built. It does not belong to me, but I am on it.

The other passengers on the train tell me to shut up and that I am a racist because I am against a black man driving the train. A black man has never driven the train before. Probably because of racist crackers like me.

I try to point out that he has no experience and does not even understand how it functions. But being called a racist by a black person is enough to destroy your credibility, so I just sit back down in my first class seat right behind the locomotive and try to brace myself as best I can against the coming trainwreck.

Yet, he is going to crash this train so hard that I cannot believe that the rest of the people on the train voted to give him the 'keys'...

So I know we are going to have a nasty wreck.
There is not a thing I can do to stop it... so I guess the only thing for a mere spectator like me to do is to watch the wreck.

So I don't know...
Do I want it to be a bad wreck... well, yes and no.
Bad enough so that Obama's trajectory vaguely resembles that of fellow traveler Salvador Allendes, but not so bad that our nation follows the trajectory of that of India - led to its path to ruin by 1930-40's Keynsians at the behest of the best experts at the finest universities in London.
69 posted on 01/19/2009 2:44:22 PM PST by Bon mots
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To: Scott Martin

Present.

Hope.

Change.

I already mute the radio when I hear his voice.


70 posted on 01/19/2009 2:45:11 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (BO is not and will never be my president.)
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To: Scott Martin
Our country must succeed in spite of Obama. Obama’s policies makes my blood boil! I hope his political demise is swift and total.
71 posted on 01/19/2009 2:45:59 PM PST by WellyP
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To: Scott Martin

I do not want the USA to become a vassal state to the UN. No treaties that threaten our sovereignty: LOST, Child Welfare, Women’s Rights, etc. Free market, gold standard, small government. No alphabet agencies. Strict Constitutionalism. No laws infringing American rights. No laws against victimless crimes. I don’t care who’s leading, that’s where I want to go.


72 posted on 01/19/2009 2:46:48 PM PST by Bhoy
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To: Scott Martin

I would normally say with regard to any President, incoming or experienced, that I hope he succeeds. Why? Because the POTUS is the representative of all of the people, and presumeably has the interests of all of us at heart.

Well, that’s the theory, anyway.

In practice, each POTUS is a politician. They owe favors all over the place, and they’re constantly trying to make policy or influence Congress in such a way as to achieve their agenda (part of which is assuring a continuous source of favors that can be gathered, and passed out later as needed).

The real question is: do you wish Politician X, soon to be the POTUS, to succeed in achieving his agenda. If you are, like me, a traditional type of person, who believes in the ideals of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, who believes in a strong, independent America composed of independent individuals who are minimally-interferred with by the limited government...then, NO, you won’t wish Obama success - at least most of the time. You won’t wish him success in:

his redistributionist tax policies;
his desire to disarm the American populace;
his wish to reduce our influence throughout the globe;
his desire to negotiate with terrorists and associated regimes;
his promise to nominate federal judges and SC Justices that will treat the Constitution as a “living” document with no set standards;
his abortion stance;
etc., etc., etc.

If we have a confrontation with a foreign power or powers, I will wish him success if he acts in this country’s interests. If he pursues economic policies that will actually (based on logic and the historical record) increase this country’s prosperity, I will wish him success. If he stays out of our business, if he limits federal authority to those areas permitted under the Constitution, if he reins in those federal agencies that have tended to overstep the bounds of their authority (IRS, BATF, DEA), etc., etc. - then I will wish him success.

If he’s the appeasing, Marxist gun-grabber with a Messiah complex that was demonstrated in his campaign, then I wish for a failure. That will pave the way for a lessening of his power via huge losses in Congress in 2010, and probably for him being a one-termer via electoral defeat in 2012.

I just hope that he doesn’t fail on such an epic level that this country is endangered - but I will oppose him and hope that he generally fails.


73 posted on 01/19/2009 2:47:18 PM PST by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation dedicated to stopping the Obamination from becoming President)
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To: cajungirl

Why oh why wasn’t our first black president someone like Alan Keyes, Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, Herman Cain, Clarence Thomas? <==Rhetorical.

Argh. I’m going to hibernate tomorrow.


74 posted on 01/19/2009 2:47:45 PM PST by DivaDelMar (CRAm member-- (Conservative Republicans Against mcCain) Think you're entitled to my vote? CRAm It!!!)
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To: Scott Martin

Comrade Zero needs to fail in his implementation of his masters’ aspirations making America into a globalist, socialist, non-Republic with an Orwellian Big Brother mentality.

He should suceed in maintaining our Constitution and Democracy.

I have little hope that America will resemble in four years a Republic. It will probably resemble a direct democracy in chaos.


75 posted on 01/19/2009 2:48:03 PM PST by OpusatFR (We can give up any pretense of having a government for and by the people after Coronation Day.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Man your posts! Stand your ground!

Right! Let's vote the bums out! Right? right? right??right?!!!

We are in need of a new party. Don't know what it will be but I'm looking. I'm tired of socialism/marxism moving ever forward with the only choice we have right now is democrats(heart attack) or republicans(cancer).

The time to water the tree of liberty is right around the corner...

FMCDH(BITS)

76 posted on 01/19/2009 2:49:15 PM PST by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: Scott Martin
Do You Want Obama to Succeed or Fail?


77 posted on 01/19/2009 2:49:18 PM PST by reagan_fanatic ("You followin' me, camera guy?")
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To: Scott Martin

I won’t shed any tears if lightning strikes his butt!


78 posted on 01/19/2009 2:50:33 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: Scott Martin
Obama '08/Biden '09

Does that answer your question?

79 posted on 01/19/2009 2:50:37 PM PST by PalmettoMason ("an empty limousine pulled up in front of the White House, and Barack Obama got out")
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To: rockinqsranch

The election was choreographed by the banks and the bankers. They don’t give a rats rear end about the people. All they care about is money. More government control = more central bank authority and control. That’s who funded and choreographed the election.


80 posted on 01/19/2009 2:51:04 PM PST by DivaDelMar (CRAm member-- (Conservative Republicans Against mcCain) Think you're entitled to my vote? CRAm It!!!)
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To: Scott Martin

If, as many suspect, he is NOT a US citizen...the system already has failed...and we’ve been Trojan-horsed big time.


81 posted on 01/19/2009 2:54:26 PM PST by mo
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To: Scott Martin

I want him to fail - personally, politically, psychologically, drug test-wise, agenda-wise, and in every manner conceivable. I want his failures to be numerous, widespread, 360 degrees - and publically, shamefully, and even criminally. I want the leftists to be so tainted by his massive failures that they have to crawl into a cave to lick their wounds for two generations. And may his failures drag many of his fellow leftists into a voluntary obscurity or even imprisonment.


82 posted on 01/19/2009 2:54:29 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: Scott Martin

I don’t want him to succeed at what he has planned for this country. If he fails, the country is better off.


83 posted on 01/19/2009 2:54:37 PM PST by Sig Sauer P220 (The Big 3 Auto Makers - Where Attention to Kwality is Jobe Won.)
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To: Scott Martin

Depends I suppose, on what sort of “failure” you are talking about.

For example I don’t think there very many Americans who would wish Obama to “fail” in the WOT, if that for example meant the detonation of a nuclear weapon in an American city - and if there are any I certainly, wouldn’t consider them patriots, however sincere their belief that this might be a “good thing” for the country in the long run.

Or, if they really thought it through, I doubt very many people would really want attempts to stabilize the banking industry to “fail” - there’s a very good chance that if so we would be back in 1932.

And then there’s the question, more generally, of how much grief you’re willing to wish on a country in order to get people “to come to their senses” - somewhere along the line you can end up like the old-line Marxists who used to talk about “heightening the contradictions” to the point where the workers “would come to their senses” about the evils of Capitalism.

And if you’re of the opinion that Democrats badly damaged the security or economy of the United States by their attacks on George W. Bush, you have to consider the possibility that Republicans can now to some extent be guilty of the same sins.

And then there’s the very Burkian question of discounting potentials future “improvements” to present value in relation to current grief - for how much theoretical future improvement in the way the banking system operates is it worth having three or four houses on your block vacant, boarded up and vandalized in the meantime?

And then there’s the fact that future really is unknowable. As was demonstrated post-World War I in places as different as the USA, Germany, Japan and Russia,there’s no guarantee that political and economic “failure” by the present government ends up in subsequent “success” by the sort of government you prefer.

So on general principles I would suggest caution when it comes to the question of hoping for someone else’s failure as opposed to pursuing success for the programs one prefers - to the extent your ideological opponents programs are really unworkable, their failure will eventually take care of itself.


84 posted on 01/19/2009 2:54:53 PM PST by M. Dodge Thomas
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To: Scott Martin

If he promises to just shut up for a couple days, I’d be happy.


85 posted on 01/19/2009 2:56:18 PM PST by Zathras
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To: Scott Martin

The ONLY way Zero can “succeed” is to have a miraculous Saul-On-The-Road-To-Damascus type conversion to conservative economic principles.

In that context I’d say “succeed”.

As his socialist self...I say FAIL YOU COMMIE RAT BASTARD!


86 posted on 01/19/2009 2:56:32 PM PST by Zman516 (socialists & muslims -- satan's useful idiots.)
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To: Scott Martin
Epic fail!

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

87 posted on 01/19/2009 2:58:44 PM PST by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: Bon mots
I try to point out that he has no experience and does not even understand how it functions. But being called a racist by a black person is enough to destroy your credibility, so I just sit back down in my first class seat right behind the locomotive and try to brace myself as best I can against the coming trainwreck.

Yet, he is going to crash this train so hard that I cannot believe that the rest of the people on the train voted to give him the 'keys'...

I'm with you. Tomorrow O becomes the engineer of the US socialism express. I have a feeling that things can't turn around until he drives us off the cliff. But he's intent on doing just that.

88 posted on 01/19/2009 2:59:12 PM PST by Swing_Thought (pes.si.mist: [pes-uh-mist] 1. a well informed optimist.)
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To: Scott Martin

No brainer: Fail


89 posted on 01/19/2009 2:59:36 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Pretending the Admin Moderator doesn't exist will result in suspension.)
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To: Scott Martin

90 posted on 01/19/2009 3:00:08 PM PST by Revolting cat! (After all is said and done I'm goodier goodier than you!)
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To: Scott Martin

none of the above...


91 posted on 01/19/2009 3:01:52 PM PST by gunnyg
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To: dilvish

I agree with you. I want him to succeed in keeping this country safe, and at getting us out of this economic mess we are in. I want him to succeed in creating jobs for those who need them. I don’t want him to succeed in raising taxes, at removing restrictions on abortion, at increasing social spending or at reducing the strength of our military. That doesn’t mean that I am optimistic that he will succeed. I just hope that he doesn’t do too much damage.


92 posted on 01/19/2009 3:03:12 PM PST by ga medic
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To: Scott Martin
I wouldn't seek a blanket failure. I would ask specifically that any programs leading to socialism or marxism be defeated, and only those in the best interest of this constitutional republic come into fruition.
93 posted on 01/19/2009 3:05:01 PM PST by elpadre (nation)
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To: Scott Martin
I hope for his failure just like the liberals have prayed for G.W. Bush to fail. May he fail as bad as Carter so that he allows Paylin to become another Reagan.
94 posted on 01/19/2009 3:05:10 PM PST by southernerwithanattitude ({new and improved redneck})
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To: DivaDelMar

J.C. Watts!


95 posted on 01/19/2009 3:08:22 PM PST by southernerwithanattitude ({new and improved redneck})
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To: ga medic
you do realize that these big ticket government programs will never go away. Like social security they will become attached at the hip forever.

Each of his programs must be examined carefully and opposed if the smell like a future entitlement.

96 posted on 01/19/2009 3:09:22 PM PST by elpadre (nation)
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To: dilvish

Exactly.

I want our country to get back on its feet and the economy get going again. We can deal with BHO fallout as long as he;’s limited to one term.

Elections have consequences, I hope all those who sat on their hands in November are happy.


97 posted on 01/19/2009 3:14:54 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: Scott Martin
Sure I want him to fail. I hope he slips and takes a “fell” in the bathroom, lands head first in the toilet and a secret service agent in his haste to grab the jerk’s ankles, pulls the flush chain in stead and whoop, our problems are solved. President Joe Biden. Uggg. Maybe the SS guy should save him. Decisions, decisions.
98 posted on 01/19/2009 3:17:51 PM PST by RetiredArmy (Jan 20, 2009: The Day Liberty DIED. Marxism & Communism officially are our government.)
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To: culpeper
Watch, A new York Times headline will declare a vast right wing conspiracy has orchestrated his placement at the helm of an unsinkable ship that hit an iceberg over three years ago but only now have the passengers discovered they are going down.

It's a trick the conspirators learned from Bubba.

99 posted on 01/19/2009 3:18:33 PM PST by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: AmericanVictory
Obama can't fail.

Who in the MSM would take note of any failure? In fact all that O'bummer has preached is how bad things are and how much worse it will get. He knows he's not up to the task and is already busy making excuses. If there is any failure to be acknowledged by the MSM it will be the American people not willing to fully follow The Great Deliverer. Not obeying the Great One, will result in a chaos of our doing they will say. In other words he can't fail, we will.

100 posted on 01/19/2009 3:19:18 PM PST by topfile
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