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Recipients of Taxpayer Bailout Are Elite Obama Donors Who Donated Millions to Obama
ABC News Video; Washington Post; BizJournal; WSJ; SF Chronicle... | January 20, 2009

Posted on 01/20/2009 3:10:56 PM PST by bd476



Elite Obama Donors Receive Early Gifts and Privileges from Obama
While Under Senate Investigation and
After Accepting Millions in Taxpayer Paid Bailout




So many of the Elite Obama Donors arrived at Dulles International Airport in their personal private jets that an active runway at Dulles International Airport had to be shut down and then converted into a make-do parking lot.

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Surprisingly no PETA, Global Warming, nor Code Pink protesters are seen as the Elite Obama Donors arrive in chauffeur driven stretch limousines dressed in their finest furs.

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Their gilded Obama Invitations apparently lost in the mail result in PETA, Global Warming and Code Pink Protesters being no-shows as the fur-laden Elite Obama Donors arrive in their chauffeur driven stretch limousines.



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Elite Obama Donor Louis Susman, Vice President of Citibank who received $45 million bailout money paid by taxpayers is shown arriving at the Private Obama Dinner for Elite Obama Donors Only.



Wall Street Journal

* JANUARY 9, 2009

Wall Street Is Big Donor to Inauguration
Obama Bans Funding From Corporations and Big Donors, but Financial Employees Put Up $5.7 Million


Other bundlers from the financial sector include executives from Citigroup Inc. and Goldman Sachs Group Inc., two New York-based institutions that have accepted billions of dollars each in rescue money from the federal government.

...The analysis shows that Lou Susman , a Chicago-based managing director for Citigroup, bundled $265,000 in inaugural donations for Mr. Obama, including $50,000 donated personally and $50,000 more from the firm's employees.

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Financial-executive donors to the Obama inauguration include an executive from Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., which declared bankruptcy last fall. The executive has bundled at least $115,000 in donations so far for the inaugural, according to records made public by the Obama organization.

Excerpt. Wall Street Is Big Donor to Inauguration


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Elite Obama Donor Robert Wolf, CEO of the US branch of Swiss Bank UBS, seen exiting his limousine upon his arrival at Private Obama Dinner for Elite Obama Donors Only. Elite Obama Donor Robert Wolf is currently under Senate investigation.

Excerpt from
Washington Post

Senate Probe's Targets Give to Campaigns
Report Accuses Bank Officials of Helping Clients Hide Money From the IRS


By Matthew Mosk
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, August 1, 2008; Page A05

"...UBS always has been a major donor in Washington, in addition to spending close to $1 million a year on lobbying. The bank has spent more on the 2008 elections, which are still more than three months away, than during the entire 2006 cycle. The UBS political committee distributed $2.21 million to politicians and political groups over the past 18 months.

The chairman of UBS Americas, Robert Wolf, helped raise more than $250,000 for Sen. Barack Obama's Democratic presidential bid.

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Pragasam noted that Wolf's role in the Obama campaign predates the Senate investigation by more than a year, and that Wolf oversees the bank's American operations, while the Senate probe is focused on the activities of UBS offices in Switzerland.

"He was a very early supporter of Senator Obama, and began that support long before the Senate investigation into tax havens," she said...

Excerpt. Senate Probe's Targets Give to Campaigns

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Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 8:47am MST

Colorado business leaders among largest inaugural donors

Denver Business Journal

Six Colorado business leaders are among the top donors to Tuesday's inauguration ceremony for President Barack Obama, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

Individual donors were limited to a maximum gift of $50,000 to support inaugural festivities.

Colorado donors listed by the CRP, which studies and reports on political contributions, as having donated $50,000 are:

* Merle Chambers of Denver, president of Leith Ventures LLC, a privately held investment company.
* Holly Lev of Boulder, co-founder of health-supplements company Organic India.
* Pat McConathy of Vail, an energy investor.
* Bruce Oreck of Boulder, an attorney with Oreck Bradley Crighton Adams & Chase and son of vacuum-cleaner magnate David Oreck.
* Thomas Strickland of Denver, chief legal officer for UnitedHealth Group Inc. and former U.S. Senate candidate.
* Pat Stryker of Fort Collins, an heiress and longtime progressive activist.


Colorado business leaders among largest inaugural donors

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Politico

Big donors foot inaugural bill

By KENNETH P. VOGEL | 1/14/09 7:00 PM EST Updated: 1/15/09 10:19 AM EST

Wall Street


Barack Obama has boasted that his inauguration will be funded by the same small donors who propelled his presidential campaign to victory, but a new analysis shows the inaugural bill is being footed primarily by big-dollar contributors, including many from Wall Street.

Barack Obama has boasted that his Inauguration will be funded by the same small donors who propelled his presidential campaign to victory, but a new analysis shows the inaugural bill is being footed primarily by big-dollar contributors, including many from Wall Street.

In fact, nearly 80 percent of the $35.3 million raised by Obama’s inaugural committee can be traced to just 211 individual bundlers, according to an analysis by the nonpartisan watchdog group Public Citizen.

One Wall Street bundler, Louis Susman, a top Citigroup executive, steered the $300,000 maximum to the committee, the report found.

“No doubt many donors give simply because they want to be part of history,” said Craig Holman, a campaign finance lobbyist for Public Citizen. “But donors and bundlers who represent special interests with business pending before the government and who dole out five-figure checks to the inaugural committee usually want a seat at the table with the new administration.”

Though the federal government is pitching in $10 million toward the cost of Obama’s Inauguration, his team is planning festivities that could cost as much as $50 million.

The privately raised funds will go toward opening up the Inauguration so more can participate in it, said Inauguration spokeswoman Linda Douglass.

The cash will pay for Jumbotrons and audio systems on the mall that will allow the expected massive crowds to watch the proceedings, as well as low-cost or free inaugural balls or concerts.

There are almost no limits on inaugural fundraising and Douglass pointed out that Obama is voluntarily disclosing contributions in almost real time, barring contributions from corporations, lobbyists, political action committees and unions and capping individual contributions at $50,000 a person, and bundled contributions at $300,000 per bundler.

Other Wall Street bundlers who contributed include:

* Mark Gilbert, a senior executive at Lehman Brothers: $185,000
* Robert Wolf, CEO of UBS Americas: $100,000
* Jennifer Scully, a vice president at Goldman Sachs: $100,000
* Bruce Heyman, a manager at Goldman Sachs: $50,000




Bundlers are major fundraisers who corral checks from friends and associates and deliver them to a campaign or committee en masse.

Though Obama’s presidential campaign also had its share of bundlers -- many of whom are also bundling for the Inauguration -- the campaign boasted that more than half of the record-shattering $662 million it raised came from small donors.

Those donors don’t appear to have had as large an impact on inaugural fundraising, which is typically harder to do than campaign fundraising. It’s difficult to gauge their impact precisely, since Obama’s inauguration web site is not listing donors who gave less than $200, but of the 5,632 reported contributions to the inaugural committee, only 113 came in at $200.

Douglass said internal figures show that nearly 200,000 people have contributed to the inaugural committee and that the average donation is $34.

Big donors foot inaugural bill

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Excerpt from:

San Francisco Chronicle

Google execs among big donors to inauguration

Verne Kopytoff, Chronicle Staff Writer
Saturday, January 3, 2009

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Some big donors

Bay Area business leaders are among the major donors to President-elect Barack Obama's inauguration. A sampling of the contributions:

Derek Dukes, founder of Dipity: $25,000
Robert Haas, former CEO of Levi Strauss: $50,000
Carole Hays, president of SHN Theaters: $100,000*
Chad Hurley, YouTube co-founder: $25,000
Mitchell Kapor, founder of Lotus Development: $50,000
Michael Kieschnick, president of Working Assets: $50,000
Bara Oscodar, CEO of Expert Communications: $50,000
Larry Page, co-founder of Google: $25,000
James Pooley, attorney with Morrison & Foerster: $25,000
Chris Sacca, a former Google manager, now angel investor: $50,000
Eric Schmidt, CEO of Google: $25,000
Daniel Skaff, Sienna Ventures: $25,000
John Thompson, CEO of Symantec: $50,000
J. Minott Wessinger, president of McKenzie River Corp.: $100,000*

*Amount includes $50,000 donation from spouse.
Excerpt.

Google execs among big donors to inauguration


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Brian Ross and ABC News Video: Who Gets the Bill



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To: bd476

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51 posted on 01/20/2009 5:47:33 PM PST by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)
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To: BlackjackPershing

You know, something is now coming into focus. I couldn’t understand why so many on Wall St. backed this empty suit. I think I’ve figured out that they backed him BECAUSE he is an empty suit whom they can manipulate for the big bucks. Someone or someones high up wanted a puppet. Soros is not in this alone.


52 posted on 01/20/2009 5:55:48 PM PST by WVNan
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To: gorush
I truly shocked. About ABC news covering this, that is.

True, but did they do it that negative tone they used when scolding President Bush for spending a paltry $45 million for his second Inaugural, because the economy was slow and we were in a war?

53 posted on 01/20/2009 6:16:18 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: glock rocks
Thanks, Glock Rocks!

54 posted on 01/20/2009 6:24:27 PM PST by bd476
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To: EGPWS
Surely the Chicago political machine gets a cut too.

Doesn't it?


Yes, it does.

It took me awhile but I finally figured out who Obama is. He's just a Chicago ward heeler. He hides it well but underneath all of his Ivy League BS but Obama is just old fashion political hack.

In so far as doling out the payola and graft, you ain't seen nothing yet. Obama's administration is just going to be one long pay-for-play government with certain groups reaping the bonanza. Just like Chicago only on a grander scale.

Corruption that we can believe in!
55 posted on 01/20/2009 6:31:30 PM PST by Ticonderoga34 (A Community Organizer is the 21st century version of a Ward Heeler.)
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To: STE=Q
LOL!

56 posted on 01/20/2009 6:38:24 PM PST by bd476
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To: bd476

Reference bump! ;-)


57 posted on 01/20/2009 6:42:37 PM PST by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: SouthTexas; tubebender; Brad's Gramma; B4Ranch; NormsRevenge; Pete-R-Bilt; NYTexan; WestCoastGal; ..

ping to a keeper of a post...


58 posted on 01/20/2009 6:48:44 PM PST by glock rocks (God loves stupid people; that's why He made so many of them.)
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To: glock rocks
Video: Rev. Joseph E. Lowery’s Race Baiting Obama Inauguration Benediction
59 posted on 01/20/2009 7:32:12 PM PST by Jay777 (My personal blog: www.stoptheaclu.com)
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To: Brizick
It is o.k. to criticize the American half?

You betcha!

Let's just take the 'black' out of the equation and what do we have?

If it talks like a socialist, demands things like a socialist then I'm pretty sure it's a Marxist.

60 posted on 01/20/2009 7:36:49 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (Welcome to Obama's America... Be afraid, be very afraid)
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To: bd476
"Let white make it right."

The gravy train hand outs are just beginning.

Soon de white man, he not be payin' his taxes!

61 posted on 01/20/2009 7:37:40 PM PST by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, ( member NRA)
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To: glock rocks

Good find.


62 posted on 01/20/2009 7:40:36 PM PST by SouthTexas (Danger, Danger .. Will Robinson)
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To: bd476
John Thompson, CEO of Symantec: $50,000

Crap. They have access to our computers. No wonder my computer freezes up when I visit conservative sites.

Yeah, that sounds kinda tinfoily right now, but we'll see how it sounds in a few years.

63 posted on 01/20/2009 7:42:53 PM PST by Perchant
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To: Jay777



64 posted on 01/20/2009 7:43:02 PM PST by glock rocks (God loves stupid people; that's why He made so many of them.)
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To: bd476

Great post. Bump for later.


65 posted on 01/20/2009 7:59:02 PM PST by Bronzewound
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To: Jay777

Boy howdy, that’s one steaming pile of racism. Too bad Zero didn’t get Jeremiah Wright to preach to whitey for him today.


66 posted on 01/20/2009 8:08:47 PM PST by glock rocks (God loves stupid people; that's why He made so many of them.)
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To: GoldwaterChick

Bump for tomorrow!


67 posted on 01/20/2009 8:32:42 PM PST by GoldwaterChick (We Snowflakes will always remember our beloved Snowman with the incandescent smile.)
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To: bd476

Remember how Schoolhouse Rock taught us about Bills and the Preamble? I think they need to do one on taxpayer money for the bailouts going to the CEOs of banks and then to Obama’s parties etc.


68 posted on 01/20/2009 8:57:23 PM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: bd476
Great and well illustrated post.

I'm not coming down off the mountain with the tablets here, but....

I am edging closer to understanding the age old unanswered question of why rich people like Bloomberg, Corzine, Ahnold, Ariana and Soros can make billions thanks to this great country and then embrace Socialism. They already have money, that was easy, now they want power.

Same reason these wealthy people do. They are empty souls. Devoid of meaning in their life. They think that "saving the world" or at least trying will make up for their personal failures as spouses, fathers, mothers.

69 posted on 01/20/2009 9:03:56 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: potlatch

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Surprise Surprise!


70 posted on 01/20/2009 9:29:13 PM PST by devolve ( ____ I told you to slow down Elvis! ____)
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To: devolve

No surprise to me, I read it on Drudge earlier in the day. I learn a lot fast by going and looking at the headlines.


71 posted on 01/20/2009 9:31:49 PM PST by potlatch
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To: potlatch

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Late starter today

I usually attempt to do that at Drudge too -

But I delete his auto-reload HTML tags first - they kill trying to load and read it in an acceptable timespan


72 posted on 01/20/2009 9:36:19 PM PST by devolve ( ____ I told you to slow down Elvis! ____)
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To: devolve
I don't have trouble on Drudge but have read that some browsers really do with popups, etc.

Just now I am seeing a really funny thing happening at the Eastern Inaugural Ball. O is giving a speech, M is standing near him and keeps waving to people in the audience. O gives her a look and then she stops, puts her hands behind her and looks guilty like a child would!! It's amazing.

73 posted on 01/20/2009 9:41:01 PM PST by potlatch
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To: SECURE AMERICA

>>Surprisingly no PETA, Global Warming, nor Code Pink protesters are seen as the Elite Obama Donors arrive in chauffeur driven stretch limousines dressed in their finest furs.

All fellow travelers on the Socialist path.<<

It is NOT surprising. Code Pink, PETA, et al are the “Useful idiots” and “Dupes”. They are used and then tossed out until needed next.

This is how the Communists work.


74 posted on 01/20/2009 9:58:40 PM PST by unkus
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To: bd476; Mamzelle

Hidden implication...that he is African because.... he was born there....


75 posted on 01/20/2009 10:34:34 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: bd476

Like parasites, they live. Like that movie, “They Live,” from the 80’s.


76 posted on 01/20/2009 11:36:52 PM PST by MonicaG (Thank you to our military & veterans, with love & gratitude. XOXOXO)
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To: STE=Q

Pretty much, and they’re 100% congratulating themselves. Learning nothing from North Korea or anywhere in history of the planet Earth and the known galaxies.


77 posted on 01/20/2009 11:54:51 PM PST by MonicaG (Thank you to our military & veterans, with love & gratitude. XOXOXO)
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To: gorush
I'm SHOCKED....SHOCKED! to find out there is gambling going on in here.....................this is just the beginning folks. The hits will just keep on coming....sighhhhhhhhh.
78 posted on 01/21/2009 3:28:42 AM PST by Nekman (A Vote FOR Obama was a vote BY an IDIOT!)
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To: big'ol_freeper
Corrupt, indubitably.

Investigated? Hahhahhahhahhahhahhah...!

79 posted on 01/21/2009 3:52:14 AM PST by Tenniel2 ("When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one" -- Edmund Burke)
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To: bd476

Who is the real enemy here? Obama? His donors? or the Media?

What can anyone do about it now?

Cant touch Obama!... He’s king now, and well protected by his majority in the congress.... Investigation??? HA!!!!!

Cant touch his donors... You think the king is gonna let that happen? I DONT THINK SO.

Cant touch the media... They’ll just laugh all the way to the bank as everyone continues to tune in.

I guess it’s Bush’s fault afterall.


80 posted on 01/21/2009 3:59:40 AM PST by Safrguns
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To: Spunky

“Most blacks believe all blacks are African”

Surprisingly, I’ve been told by someone bi-racial, that is true. I’ve also been told..... “just wait until he pi**es them off, he’ll become ‘white’ over night”.


81 posted on 01/21/2009 4:44:50 AM PST by Kimberly GG (Shoulda, Woulda, Coulda been HUNTER.)
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To: bronxboy

“So maybe someone could explain to me why Bush and Paulson gave away our money to these guys.:’

I can’t. But I have noticed how often the Libs/Dems have enjoyed throwing it back in our faces....careful who you call THE socialist.


82 posted on 01/21/2009 4:47:41 AM PST by Kimberly GG (Shoulda, Woulda, Coulda been HUNTER.)
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To: misterrob

“These institutions were getting money before Barry was elected and in any position to help them.

Sorry but I am not seeing the connection. The last several months’ stink is Bush’s legacy.”

I agree. Money has no bias. Had McCain won, I’ll bet his coffers and receptions would have been full of the same elites and worse.

So, we know what BO’s inauguration cost in $’s. Someone needs to hit him where it hurts...figure out, from a - z, what the whole ordeal’s, including attendees, “carbon footprint” cost.


83 posted on 01/21/2009 4:54:32 AM PST by Kimberly GG (Shoulda, Woulda, Coulda been HUNTER.)
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To: penelopesire

They set him up, knowing that it will be near impossible to bring him down,

Anything for the drama.


84 posted on 01/21/2009 5:24:53 AM PST by HonestConservative (http://operationvalentine.blogspot.com/)
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To: penelopesire

They set him up, knowing that it will be near impossible to bring him down,

Anything for the drama.


85 posted on 01/21/2009 5:38:54 AM PST by HonestConservative (http://operationvalentine.blogspot.com/)
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To: bd476
And all those STUPID Americans out there who BELIEVE the Marxist Dimocrat cry that RICH REPUBICANS this, rich republicans that, rich republicans, yada yada yada are the evils and problems of all. Yet more RICH dimocrats are out there than republicans donating all this money to the Chicago punk now playing at president. I am simply sick to my stomach of the Obama kiss up fest on TV. You cannot even watch sports without some tie into how the jerk is this or the jerk is that in sports, music, the arts, everything. He has done everything. He is the smartest guy in the world and will save the world. I am sick and tired of the entire mess. ENOUGH!!! He is nothing short of a Chicago gangland punk. That is ALL he is. He is NOT the second coming.
86 posted on 01/21/2009 5:40:39 AM PST by RetiredArmy ("When a politician masquerades as a messiah, be very afraid." (nicely said in article))
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To: big'ol_freeper
As I have said early and often, this will be the most corrupt, investigated administration since, well Bill Clinton.

Corrupt...YES

Investigated...doubtful.

87 posted on 01/21/2009 5:44:10 AM PST by evad (.!.)
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To: Brizick

Well just to clarify it, he is HALF WHITE. He is then about 45% Omani Arab, and he is the remainder black African. There, fixed that.


88 posted on 01/21/2009 6:02:53 AM PST by Concho (01-20-2009--The beginning of an ERROR)
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To: bd476

Surprise, surprise.

Vote for Ci-cago and that’s what you get.


89 posted on 01/21/2009 6:27:03 AM PST by AmericanVictory
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To: big'ol_freeper

Only if we mobilize.


90 posted on 01/21/2009 6:30:17 AM PST by AmericanVictory
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To: bd476
The mainstream media loves trashing their boys when the next election is more than two years out.

That way, when they dole out the journalist blowjobs for the two years leading up to the next election, they have some mothballed negative stories they can point to and claim balance.

Rinse. Lather. Repeat.

91 posted on 01/21/2009 7:30:44 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Brizick

Well, his white American grandmother (who he cannot disown) WAS a banker...


92 posted on 01/21/2009 7:31:38 AM PST by a fool in paradise
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To: bd476
None of this surprises me.

The MSM made sure nothing detrimental was published or said about BHO during the election no matter how true it was.

Am surprised at ABC for publishing this. Maybe BHO snubbed them in some way so they are retaliating.

93 posted on 01/21/2009 7:45:21 AM PST by Dustbunny (Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged. The Gipper)
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To: headstamp 2
Thank God the Democrat party is for the “little guy”.

Today’s Democrat Party, Rich liberal elites setting policy combined with ignorant, useful idiots doing the legwork and paid off with other people’s money.

Excellent comment. Ditto's to it.

94 posted on 01/21/2009 7:55:10 AM PST by Dustbunny (Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged. The Gipper)
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To: bd476
"Though the federal government is pitching in $10 million toward the cost of Obama’s Inauguration, his team is planning festivities that could cost as much as $50 million."

They missed THAT by a hundred million bucks.

95 posted on 01/21/2009 7:58:42 AM PST by cake_crumb (Waiting for Dear Leader Obama to drop sea levels and heal Earth.)
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To: gorush

You are right, first of all, about the government itself being the major factor behind this whole mess. They got in there by politicians deciding that they knew how housing

As Thomas Sowell...

the government thought they knew how markets ought to operate better than people who had operated housing markets all their lives and so they put pressure in various sorts but very strong pressure on all kinds of lending institutions to lend money to people they would never have lent money to otherwise. And now that both the lenders and the borrowers have been ruined by this transaction, the politicians are looking everywhere except in Washington to find a scapegoat.


96 posted on 01/21/2009 9:03:47 AM PST by cowdog77 ("Are there any brave men left in Washington, or are they all cowards?")
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To: Brizick
The most important thing to know about Obama is that he is an HALF African!

I heard that it was more like 7.5%

97 posted on 01/21/2009 10:50:40 AM PST by Polarik ("A forgery created to prove a claim repudiates that claim")
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To: Eric Blair 2084

from consumers to business, the problem is not going to be solved by borrowing more money for “bailouts”

To recover, the USA needs to :
1. Impose bold and brave tax incentives to individuals and businesses in order to break up the huge monopolies that suck everyone dry , from the phone companies to fast food to Home Depot, we are sucked dry and got nothing left to buy stuff with

2. Pass Laws and regulations that make consumer loans and mortgages possible to pay off, the loan rates have everyone sucked dry, we have nothing left to buy anything with, its all going to pay interest rates and taces

3. stop hemorraging money out to the rest of the world, it NEVER returns into the US economy

too bad this will NEVER happen during the CHANGE to socialism
the greedy politicians and their good friends the moneylenders have the citizens in a stranglehold
with a rope around our necks choking the life out and another in our pockets

so the politicians solution is to loan their buddies more rope


98 posted on 01/21/2009 11:55:20 AM PST by KTM rider (keep thy powder dry, gird thy loins, and brace for the winds of change)
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To: bd476

mark


99 posted on 01/21/2009 12:15:22 PM PST by griswold3 (a good story is more compelling than the search for truth)
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To: bd476

I have asked this question before and got yelled at. Why are we protecting these guys from tax increases? We draw the tax protection line above them and so far R party has completely lost the tax issue. I say elected Rs raise firedrill about national debt and offer democrats these guys to pay more taxes, but no small business owners. Democrats plan on probably increased taxing above 80K. We offer them 1000K (1M) in return for no additional spending, which they will reject.


100 posted on 01/21/2009 12:28:49 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : " How would my treasury secretary know to pay taxes?")
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