Skip to comments.Obama Will Get His Blackberry
Posted on 01/21/2009 10:44:28 AM PST by Free ThinkerNY
President Barack Obama is going to get his blackberry.
On Monday, a government agency that the Obama administration -- but that is probably the National Security Agency -- added to a standard blackberry a super-encryption package.... and Obama WILL be able to use it ... still for routine and personal messages.
It's not clear whether he yet has the device.
With few exceptions, government Blackberries aren't designed for encryption that protects messages above the "SECRET" status, so it's not clear whether Obama is getting something new and special. The exception: the Sectera Edge from General Dynamics, which allows for TOP SECRET voice conversations.
(Excerpt) Read more at marcambinder.theatlantic.com ...
The blackberry transmits. Forget what happens when it hits a satellite, and keep in mind its a transmitter that can be tracked to itself.
See this previous thread - and my post to it =
post # 16
a FOURTH - and PRIVATE arm of government.
And so it begins. Fasten your seat belts - and put in your gardens.
the POTUS is, essentially, in a protective bubble, for security - not just of the President, but for the country. Avenues of communication to/from the POTUS are not wide open. He would be unable to keep in constant = and secret = communication with his partners in ....?
(Mayhap this is why he is so adamant in keeping his blackberry - which is a dangerous security breach...he needs to be able to bypass the normal channels and get directly to his politburo)
So the bad guys just have to search for the device that's transmitting super secure stuff and they know where Obama is?
Depends on the model but the Agps can be turned off if specifically desired (like if requested by a president of the United States).
together with his plans for a "National Security Force...just as big and just as well funded as the military" and you should have shivers running the length of your spine.
Baring a miracle, (i.e., the Sheeple waking up and taking action) our free country is about to come to an end.
As long as an electronic device is activated, you can track it.
Nothing a President does is really unclassified.
Oh and the real reason not to use email is that they are subject to Freedom of Information Act. He must think he’s untouchable.
I work with a Chinese guy who has immigrated to the US. We’ve had discussions on how to break standard encryption algorithms. He’s very very knowledgeable about the subject.
Oh and I’m not so sure that blackberry has any really good encryption tools for a multitude of reasons.
“Wonder if security is an issue in private businesses.”
yes but most business people do not have other nations targeting them.
yes but most business people do not have other nations targeting them.
Guys on wall street? Big pharma? Advanced technology?
You don’t even need nations targeting them — just competitors, right?
And that is the reason the Secret Service told him he couldn’t have it in the first place...because of the GPS.
But considering all the risk, why is Obama so adament about keeping his blackberry? Are the messages to/from the blackberry subject to the freedom of information act? If not this should not happen. The possabilities of what could happen are too frightening to even contemplate.
How can we find out if they will be subject to FOA?
Sure they do but thats their problem and they don’t control nuclear bombs.
I get your point but don’t want to post on this thread anymore. I don’t want to be associated with what could be twisted into something I don’t want to be associated with by the Secret Service.
“How can we find out if they will be subject to FOA?”
They are, but I imagine he would tie them up in court for a while.
I won’t do ‘conspiracy theory’ on this one.
I’ll just note they aren’t nicknamed ‘crackberries’ for nothing.
I suspect President Obama will realize he’s kept ‘up to the minute’ by the Whitehouse ‘system’ and that will be the last we see or hear about his blackberry fear of withdrawal symptoms.
How much of President Bush’s communications were subject to FOA? Is it by message or by instrument used or by the place where the message was sent?
ARGHHHHHHHHH....WhO is his handler????
You are right, and for him to have that thing and it not be subject to the same rules as everything else for everyone else is outrageous. This we MUST raise holy cain about.
Last thing — I believe that in this brave new world of gadgets, etc., as a nation we should give some concern to protecting our businesses and their intellectual property. Don’t know if this is gubmint’s job, but it should be somebody’s job.
That article says White House Communications are kept from the public until the end of the term of office and possibly longer. Is that true? And if it is, then how did we know about White House Communications concerning Watergate, all of Clinton’s stuff at various times...???
Even assuming the tracking ability hasn't been turned off, so what? The President's schedule is fairly well known. Knowing where he is and getting past the Secret Service are two very different things.
He wants everybody to sacrifice but he’s not willing to give up his Blackberry? How typical!
Heck, they could send a guided missile of some kind and pop him from places they cannot even see him, and from great distances too I would imagine. This is too stupid and only someone in desperate need of privacy would do this.
This what I have been saying since September. We need to come together and have our own army. We need to put aside our internal squabbles and come together to oppose this monster and his army. We simply need a central hub where people can gather to easily obtain information about what they can do to fight, be it send e-mail, etc. go to protests or marches, and the tools...phone, fax numbers etc. to do that. *sigh* But,trying to gather Republicans is like herding chickens. What is best about us...self reliance, independence....will destroy us.
“Dont know if this is gubmints job, but it should be somebodys job.”
its my job, call me if you want a proposal :)
The gubbint has created huge and expensive regulations already. The don’t follow their own rules though.
MSNBC airs two hour leg-tingling special tonight with Chrissy and Olberdork.
Actually more disturbing than what Obama will do with the Blackberry and the risk concerning the GPS, is who is it that needs to contact him secretly and at anytime, for marching orders perhaps?
Wait till Bwaney Fwank demands all his emails.....Whoops! I forgot!
I’ll do that — as soon as I figure out how to get my wireless mouse to work. I’ve implemented all the various technical fixes — shaking, tapping, hitting, pounding and cursing. However, there seems to be a fundamental design flaw that renders it “immune” to the traditional technical solutions. I might have to try something more “homeopathic.” Throwing against the wall, perhaps.
Our Achilles Heel - we want to be free to live our own lives - and allow others the freedom to do thesame- the one rule"Your rights end where my nose begins"
On the other hand, the enemy feels they know what's right for everyone and feel they have the right - and want the power to - force everyone to live under their rule.
"We stand together or we fall apart"mt - I say that should be our banner..
HS. If they are his personal communications as opposed to official communications, they are exempt from FOIA. Even Presidents have private lives.
Who are all having a hen party and laying an egg over the President wanting to keep his GD blackberry fer chrissakes. I have never read such idiocy and irrelevant foolishness in all my life.
And as far as security is concerned, when he is on the move where there are security concerns Blackberrys have an OFF button. There is little issue about his unclass communications going out over open lines because White House communications for the most part go out over open lines, unless they are encrypted because they are going to someone who has a decrypt capability. Every time you call the white house on a telephone you are on an open line.
I have never read so much silly nonsense from a bunch of whining crybabies who SO deserved to lose an election in my whole life.
And it is not a special expense to hand a specially checked out blackberry to Pres Obama since such items are standard issue to 4 star generals and admirals at the Pentagon as well as political appointees and other civil servants.
Grow up, get a life, get real and if you want to reengage in politics get a goddamned purpose that anyone is going to care a fig about. Whether or not President Obama decides to have a Blackberry and read his own private emails is not one of those issues. I am about as saddened about what has happened to our country as anyone here, but Republicans LOST this election just like they LOST 2006.
they are both ilam Anas
And obama and his minions are fooling you all on most every thing just as easily.
If you listen, he has stated his real purpose for keeping his Blackberry - to run his 4th Reich - a FOURTH - and PRIVATE arm of government that will bypass the 3 legal branches of government: Judicial, Legislative and Administrative.
Listen up or grab your ankles.
from Los Angeles Times: By Peter Wallsten January 18, 2009
[if this doesnt wake America up , nothing will]
Obama sets up national network to help policy agenda he says.
Obama said Organizing for America, the new network, would be used as a tool to press for policies on major issues, including the healthcare system, the Iraq war and the development of new energy sources. He also said the effort would be housed in a distinctly partisan place: the Democratic National Committee
Organizing for America, the new group will employ a full-time staff of hundreds of professional organizers -- possibly an average of between one and two workers per congressional district in certain politically important states.
One source said that Obama aides have discussed an annual budget of $75 million -- an unprecedented standing political army that will await orders from a president. ****************
"used as a tool to press for policies on major issues, including the healthcare system, the Iraq war and the development of new energy sources. " ????? Isn't that what the 3 legal branches of gov't for? This sounds more like a coup. And we have no idea who's pulling the strings on the other end of the line.
In Addition, when he also implements his stated objective to form a "NATIONAL SECRUITY FORCE" - over and above the Army, Navy, Air force, Marines, Coast Guard, states National Guards, State Police/Troopers, County Sheriffs and city Police - "just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded as the military..."
Hear it in his own words:
this is why he is so adamant in keeping his blackberry - which is a dangerous security breach...he needs to be able to bypass the normal channels and get directly to his politburo.
Is it to late to stop this government take over? Will we continue to ignore what he's not even made a secret of - the take over of the country? - That means YOU - wake up!
BTW, do we have our first black president or our first Indonesian president? see this thread...if you care
That would be an extremely weak passive signal, if it gives one off at all, which I seriously doubt. Quite a few of our smart munitions utilize the L1 and sometimes the L2 bandwidth for GPS aquisition to trim their inertial instruments. Using your logic, the would be very suceptible to be homed in on by defensive measures and that is simply not a concern. The only thing our GPS systems have to worry about is being jammed by blankets of energy beamed in the general vacinity at the bandwidth of the GPS band the munition is using....and there are counter measures for that.
I find it very unlikely a passive GPS system can be tracked. Sorry.
Believe as you wish, no need to apologize. If its electronic, it gives off a tell tale signal that can be tracked, specifically.
Yes, electronics give off RF energy. But you’re not going to detect it from New Jersey if it’s in Maryland. You’re going to detect it from mere feet away. If the bad guy is that close to a target, the RF signal is irrelevant anyway. A smart phone without a GPS receiver still gives of RF energy.
‘Youre going to detect it from mere feet away’
Sorry, thats incorrect. I’ve literally seen not just demonstrations of the capabilities in this area, I personally witnessed some of the stuff done during the Walker spy case from inside the facility’s he ‘attacked’ via his son and a techie back then. And that took place in 1980 or so.
We agree to disagree, no big deal.
“If its receiving, it can be tracked, triangulated exactly.
There is no other way, unless they use a repeater...and even that has its flaws.
Anything that makes electronic noise can be found using triangulation.”
Actually it is called trilateration. The receiver only receives. It does not transmit anything. When your on-star system tells someone where you are it does it with the cellular functionality that forms part of the on-star system.
Yes, Obama’s phone gives off RF energy. Big deal...only trackable from a few feet away. Yes, any GPS receiver Obama has can locate his position. Unless he has a GPS transmitter no one else can gain that information, unless his cellular function sends out that data. That can be controlled via firm ware programming. Not a big deal.
In any event, how do you plan to characterize Zero's RF phone emissions to the point where you can discriminate between his emissions and the other thousands of devices emissions in the area?
If you have to ask...lets just drop it.
Thanks in advance.
How about a deal ...
Honest Ob gets to keep his crackberry,
the American People get to keep Guantanamo ?
As long as it’s switched on, every cellular device connects to the nearest cell site from time to time, so the cellular companies know where to route received messages.
Obviously, when receiving a text message the transmitter must come on to establish the connection and provide error checking.
That said, I’m sure the Secret Service would never allow Pressidential communications devices to connect directly to the cellular system. Wherever he might be, to the cell system, the Presidents communications would allways be seen as coming from and going to, wherever they have their main gateway located.
Ok. But we were GPS, then ‘electronic noise’. The agents around Zero better not have their cells on then...