Posted on 01/21/2009 4:19:35 PM PST by MindBender26
Maj just got the word, on Shep Smith show, scheduled to be announced tomorrow. All combat brigades to be out in 16 months.
Real effect is immediate surrender of purpose. No commander is going to undertake any major mission knowing that, at the very longest, no US offensive military power will be in-country after next Spring, so why waste lives to gain something we soon will give away.
Offensive operations will stop. Brigades will go into a useless, purely defensive mode. It's over. Our POTUS surrendered.
About 3000 Americans volunteered to pay the ultimate price in Iraq so we could be free. Obama just ensured those sacrifices will have no lasting meaning.
Bush prayed for every one of them and their souls. Obama just pissed on every one of their graves.
The bastard.
Ooops, sorry all for the double post...
Visions of Viet Nam all over. This will be Obambi aka Soetoro’s Waterloo.
I do have Obama derangement syndrome. Caught it yesterday watching his divisive speech, his racist preacher’s prayer and his supporters booing President Bush!
I look forward to treating Obama the same way that they have treated President Bush for the last 8 years and will spending my time and money doing so!
This guy will be the death of this country. Up next: Bush’s New World Order.
And this is a surprise to whom???
God Bless your son for serving. Afghanistan is fixing to calm down though because all the Afghanistan jihadees will begin pouring back into Iraq as soon as Obama pulls our combat forces out. Mark my word!
He sure isn’t wasting any time is he? OK, America - here’s the change you said you wanted - I sure hope it works out somehow, but I’m not optimistic at this point.
Absolute insanity... And, a slap in the face to ALL of our brave troops who have sacrificed thus far. Knowing who Obama’s allies are in the Muslim world (esp. the direct connection through Raila Odinga with the terrorists) this doesn’t surprise me a bit.
This is just one more way to destroy America’s standing in the world by turning our back on the Iraqis we vowed to help. Obama could care less if the terrorists move back in — waiting all the while we clear out.
Obama’s supporters are delusional when it comes to understanding the threats that face us within the world, and Obama is COUNTING on the threats in order to secure more power for himself.
May God bless our brave troops, as well as all the U.S. and foreign nation support troops and civilians. May they know that there are those of us who really do appreciate all they’ve sacrificed for us thus far in the Middle East. May God bless the Iraqis as well - please remember no matter what propaganda you hear there is about half of this nation - if not more that do NOT agree with this President’s decisions...
Terrorists who only have to wait now....wait for a few months until American forces are gone.
Shades of the Cambodian killing fields that the liberals in America are DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR CONSIDERING WE WON EVERY CONFLICT OVER THERE!
BUT WHO KNEW THIS???? The press corp did not TELL US!!
Thanks press corp.....for the millions that were killed when South Vietnam was taken over after you flooded our nation with negative information ONLY!
And special thanks to one WALTER CRONKITE who could only report on body bags and NEVER ON SUCCESS. I was one of the kids who was fooled and LIED TO BY YOU and bought your CRAP hook line and sinker! Never again.
We have the same press corp back...girlish men, full of stupidity and cowardice who have NEVER worn a uniform and who have NO KNOWLEDGE that freedom is NOT FREE!
I HATE, DESPISE and will NEVER FORGET THIS MOMENT!
Open note to silly Barack...........YOU ARE EXACTLY AS STUPID AND IMMORAL AS YOU and your sick party appear.
THERE IS NOTHING GOOD about YOUR PRINCIPLES!
You are willing to have babies ABOUT TO BE BORN literally PULLED APART so that they will DIE inside mommy (bleed to death) so as not to be called murder (outside the mommy) but rather PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION (inside the mommy death)-IMO--THAT MAKES YOU FLAT OUT EVIL.
And now you are willing to cause the FALL of IRAQ, to TRASH the efforts of military men and women who sacrificed the ULTIMATE to help Iraq gain freedom and rid their world of terrorists havens.
YOU ARE BLIND, OBAMA.
You are not man enough to be our commander in chief.
It should not be surprising to ANYONE that you refused to go and visit our sick and injured troops overseas while you were there because there was NO PRESS ALLOWED. My goodness....why should you, our narcissist primo leader, ever waste time doing anything that does not give you a return....IE...the press corp fawning over you.
You MAKE ME SICK.
NO WONDER YOU STAYED WITH REV WRIGHT FOR 20 YEARS.....YOU DON'T POSSESS ANY ETHICS OR MORALS.
I am SO WORRIED about our troops and our system of defense with a creepy immature unformed blob of liberalism, such as you, running our nation.
Rant/ (for now)
Yeah, but the part before we win is not going to be pretty. Of course, starting yesterday, it's already not pretty.
The Iraqi army will be overtaken and slaughtered by Iran. Thanks Obama!
We are going to lose in Afghanistan also. Anyway, a far more dangerous, and nearby, danger is the situation in Mexico. The whole coutry is on the verge of becoming a failed state.
For an example of what God does to nations that enjoy His blessings only to turn their collective backs on them, I recommend the ping-pong-like example demonstrated by the Jews in the Penteteuch, Judges, Samuel I & II, Kings I & II, and Chronicles I & II. The apocryphal histories of the revolt of the Macabees, coupled with the falling away and legalism of the saducees and pharisees in the intertestamentary period and in the New Testament also provide great examples.
And it's not just the Jews -- it's all of us. If you're asking what God is doing, you have to admit the possibility that President Zero and his Merry Band in Congress are God's punishment on our nation for collectively ignoring and denigrating him at every opportunity in our modern culture.
This is what “the people” voted for.
Let those who voted for Obama send their kids to war next time to clean up the resultant messes.
God is in control and He has a plan, but not everything that happens on this planet is His perfect will, and there are times when He has not prevented awful things from taking place. I was just hoping we could avoid all that, but apparently not. I certainly don’t see why He would allow a pro-abortion president to take office so more of His babies will be killed. The logic escapes my simple human brain.
The real result is surrender to Iran. Elections have consequences so enjoy our first president who is an “I don’t give a damn” leftist.
It’s always give them enough rope ....
If I were you, I would opt for PTBOSD. Then you can say, ‘it is Obama’s fault’ and it will be true! ;-)
The one hope I held out for this country was that Obama knows if we are attacked after his policies are in effect, it will be all on his shoulders. No blaming Bush.
I guess I was wrong.
lol..sounds good to me! Wonder if I can get the government to pay for my meds when the dems destroy our healthcare system?
The problem is with Obama in charge- the type of officers promoted to the top immediately will be the political zombies, and they will promote the political zombies and so on. With leadership sorry from the very top down it will be extremely difficult for the decent troops to perform their job and out of sheer day to day frustration with the lack of effective leadership and the cost cuts and downsizing the dims are famous for. When the good troops feel their being there no longer makes a difference or is appreciated they leave. We cannot expect them to do otherwise.
All he can.
This is the plan that Bush negotiated. Also, your hyperbole is absurd.
“Yeah, revoking President Bush’s EO on re-investigating those chosen to hold America’s trust.”
I missed that one too. What’s up?
Just Great!
My hubby did 2 tours, my son 1....luckily they both came back safe but we lost 4 years as a family...4 years we gladly gave to this fight in Iraq...but now I feel it was all wasted..4 years we will never get back......my only thought is of those families who paid a higher price...I can’t imagine what they are thinking now......God help us and God help the people of Iraq...tears
LOL
I am sure they would be willing to pay, but the wait may kill you.
do I really have to say it???
Out in 16 months, back in 17 months
Do you have any actual evidence that Hussein is legally eligible to be President? Didn’t he travel to Indonesia on a Indonesian passport? Did he enter Occidental College as a Indonesian citizen?
He is the first and only President to flub the oaf of office. Obviously the man isn’t bright. Affirmative action prez, no doubt.
What’s the line you have in mind?
I’m stuck on “I have just discovered there is gambling in Casablanca”... and that isn’t working here.
What’s the line you have in mind?
I’m stuck on “I have just discovered there is gambling in Casablanca”... and that isn’t working here.
Terrorists who only have to wait now....wait for a few months until American forces are gone.
Shades of the Cambodian killing fields that the liberals in America are DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR CONSIDERING WE WON EVERY CONFLICT OVER THERE!
BUT WHO KNEW THIS???? The press corp did not TELL US!!
Thanks press corp.....for the millions that were killed when South Vietnam was taken over after you flooded our nation with negative information ONLY!
And special thanks to one WALTER CRONKITE who could only report on body bags and NEVER ON SUCCESS. I was one of the kids who was fooled and LIED TO BY YOU and bought your CRAP hook line and sinker! Never again.
We have the same press corp back...girlish men, full of stupidity and cowardice who have NEVER worn a uniform and who have NO KNOWLEDGE that freedom is NOT FREE!
I HATE, DESPISE and will NEVER FORGET THIS MOMENT!
Open note to silly Barack...........YOU ARE EXACTLY AS STUPID AND IMMORAL AS YOU and your sick party appear.
THERE IS NOTHING GOOD about YOUR PRINCIPLES! You are willing to have babies ABOUT TO BE BORN literally PULLED APART so that they will DIE inside mommy (bleed to death) so as not to be called murder (outside the mommy) but rather PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION (inside the mommy death)-IMO--THAT MAKES YOU FLAT OUT EVIL.
And now you are willing to cause the FALL of IRAQ, to TRASH the efforts of military men and women who sacrificed the ULTIMATE to help Iraq gain freedom and rid their world of terrorists havens.
YOU ARE BLIND, OBAMA.
You are not man enough to be our commander in chief.
It should not be surprising to ANYONE that you refused to go and visit our sick and injured troops overseas while you were there because there was NO PRESS ALLOWED. My goodness....why should you, our narcissist primo leader, ever waste time doing anything that does not give you a return....IE...the press corp fawning over you.
You MAKE ME SICK.
NO WONDER YOU STAYED WITH REV WRIGHT FOR 20 YEARS.....YOU DON'T POSSESS ANY ETHICS OR MORALS.
I am SO WORRIED about our troops and our system of defense with a creepy immature unformed blob of liberalism, such as you, running our nation."
MEGA DITTOS!!!!
If they keep the Shia’s out of power-—who are aligned with Iran, more power to them.
Main...I applaud Republic’s anger...it’s high time we Conservatives GET angry and make our voices heard...sitting back and being “civil” has gotten us WHERE?
Some troops will be left...it’s time for Iraq to shoulder some responsibility...Afghanistan is a must...we are losing Afghanistan and probably Pakistan as well. This is very similar to the agreement brokered with the Iraqis by Bush...the poster who said Bush won, but Obama will get credit is correct. We have to deal with Afghanistan and Iran and soon.
Not exactly, they worked for the Saddamn regime. One was a money launderer who stole from the Food for Oil funds and the other convicted on corruption charges related to the rebuilding of the electrical grid in Iraq. These are very dangerous men who will try to oppress the Iraqi people.
Baathists are Stalinist communists.
Pray for America, Our Troops and Obama’s Salvation
I know who they are, but Shia is far more dangerous with their alliance to Iran.
Message to terrorists in Iraq: Go quiet and wait until the US pulls out. Then destroy everything the troops worked for.
Obama is trying to get these issues addressed and over with now and early so that he can always go back and say that he at least tried. Once he finds out that he can't do certain things and didn't know beans about what he promised in the campaign, he will certainly be painted into a corner.
Were the words “peace with honor” uttered?
EXACTLY!!! This will be Iraq! Remember, the Democrat congress sold out the Vietnamese! History is about to repeat itself! Never, ever trust a Democrat.
Below is Article 24 from the Status of Forces Agreement, which gives a timeline close to what he is to announce. By ignoring the Status of Forces Agreement as a clear validation of victory, and instead making a pronouncement on troop withdrawls, Obama and his cohorts are able to deny they were wrong. The article also says combat brigades, and a lot of forces are not part of combat brigades.
My take on this was the letter following the agreement article, which never saw the light of day, because only the shoe incident was part of the news cycle.
Here is a link to the entire agreement when you click on the PDF file: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=status+forces+agreement+text&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq
Article 24
Withdrawal of the United States Forces from Iraq
Recognizing the performance and increasing capacity of the Iraqi Security Forces, the
assumption of full security responsibility by those Forces, and based upon the strong
relationship between the Parties, an agreement on the following has been reached:
1. All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than
December 31, 2011.
2. All United States combat forces shall withdraw from Iraqi cities, villages, and
localities no later than the time at which Iraqi Security Forces assume full responsibility
for security in an Iraqi province, provided that such withdrawal is completed no later than
June 30, 2009.
3. United States combat forces withdrawn pursuant to paragraph 2 above shall be
stationed in the agreed facilities and areas outside cities, villages, and localities to be
designated by the JMOCC before the date established in paragraph 2 above.
The Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) portends victory. Iraq and U.S. as two sovereign, and coequal countries agreed on ways forward implementing U.N. principles and purposes. Iraqi pragmatic evaluations of conditions lead talks for disengagement: not U.S. election cycle driven timelines.
General Petraeus testified the surge would execute proven counterinsurgency tactics “to improve the security for the people of Iraq in order to give Iraqi leaders the time and space they need to come to grips with tough political issues”. Throughout 2008 Iraqi people and leaders experienced deliverance from lives dominated by assassins stalking them and their families. They witnessed national institution ascendance in providing personal and material security.
Persistence for Iraq representative government thwarted al Qaeda determination that Babylon becomes the Caliphate rallying point. In Iraq, U.S. earned credibility as a counter force to all horrid factions applying murderous coercion when striving to dominate African, Oriental, and Asian politics.
Invigorating new allies’ confrontational initiatives brings Global War on Terror victory by frustrating plans, breaking alliances, and fracturing jihadist organizations into ever less effective units. Without cities, countries or armies bin Laden, successor sociopath prophets, and tyrants they empower only dream of conquest as they suffer unnaturally shortened lives as pariahs.
Yet administration leaders Obama, Biden and Clinton voted for removing most troops by April 2008, and preventing this victory. Their behavior portends traditional ally abandonment. Their actions portend escaping commitment, and reviving self-congratulatory righteousness within elegant foreign policies redefining national interest, proportional response, multi-lateralism, re-deployment and exit strategy.
Because he just can’t fathom military strategy, and maybe, just maybe, he wants the enemy to win (despite what he says)
Time will tell if he will ever heed the advice of any of his military advisers. If I were one of them, I’d walk off the job. Why advise him if he’s not gonna listen?
It won’t happen until he’s out of office (however that happens)
i'm Shocked, SHOCKED i tell you that 0bamas first move will be surrender in Iraq...
You think the troops would actually comply with those orders? Maybe at first, but not for long///
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