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Prez Obama closing Gitmo: 9/11 families object; terrorist attacks likely
911FamiliesForAmerica.org ^ | September 22, 2009 | Tim Sumner

Posted on 01/22/2009 5:56:38 AM PST by Sergeant Tim

Over the objections of a large majority of 9/11 family members, President Barack Obama is expected to sign an Executive Order today directing that the detention facilities at Guantanamo Bay Naval Base be closed:

Relatives of victims of the September 11 attacks, who were at the base this week to observe pretrial hearings, told reporters they oppose any halt to the trials. "The safest place to have these trials is Guantanamo Bay. If they were to move to the homeland it would endanger all of us," said Lorraine Arias Believeau of Barnegat, New Jersey, whose brother, Adam, was killed in the attacks.

In addition, President Obama has directed a 120-day suspension of detainee trials so that, "...his administration [can] review the military commissions process..." and will order the closure of all overseas "C.I.A. prisons." On January 14, 2009, the Washington Times reported, "The Pentagon is looking at several military bases in the U.S. as possible sites to hold terrorist suspects now at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, including Camp Pendleton in San Diego and Fort Leavenworth in Kansas."

Debra Burlingame is skeptical about President Obama's stated intent and whether he believes Guantanamo can be safely closed within one year. She offers that the detainees are far more dangerous than Obama imagined prior to being read-in on their classified files. Yesterday, she discussed this with Neil Cavuto [video report].

But how dangerous is the average detainee at Guantanamo? Listen to Gordon Gucullu. Beginning in 2005, he made five trips to Guantanamo, spent 3 1/2 years researching the facility, and embedded with our troops there. He starts out by describing the frequent attacks made by the Islamic jihadist detainees there upon our troops:

The Wall Street Journal weighed in this morning:

One suggestion is moving the remaining prisoners to Kansas's Fort Leavenworth, but state politicians are already sounding a red alert. The military base is integrated into the community and, lacking Guantanamo's isolation and defense capacities, would instantly become a potential terror target. Expect similar protests from other states that are involuntarily entered in this sweepstakes.

The New York Times did its ritual dance of joy this morning. As expected, after it has once again endangered American lives through a successful propaganda campaign, it paraded the closing as the main headline this morning [Red Square emphasis added mine]. For the benefit of those non-Times readers, it also does this whenever it reveals America's classified secrets:

Lastly, Congressman John Murtha (D-PA) announced that he'd take the detainees:

Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., said he would take the detainees in his own district, which lies just a few miles from the field near Shanksville, Pa., where United Flight 93 crashed after it was hijacked by terrorists on Sept. 11, [murdering all 40] people aboard.

"Sure, I'd take them. They're no more dangerous in my district than in Guantanamo," Murtha said, calling the Guantanamo prison a "sore in the United States' moral standards."

"There's no reason not to put them in prisons in the United States and handle them the way they would handle any other prisoners."

Congressman Murtha offered no opinion on the morality of willfully endangering his constituents in Pennsylvania's 12th District.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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1 posted on 01/22/2009 5:56:39 AM PST by Sergeant Tim
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To: Just Lori; TheForceOfOne; SilvieWaldorfMD; Tennessee Nana; ThreePuttinDude; eastsider; del4hope; ..

Ping!


2 posted on 01/22/2009 5:59:42 AM PST by Sergeant Tim (In the War on Terror, there is no place to run from here.)
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To: Sergeant Tim

Find the country of origin of these sub Humans and deliver them directly, any country which bitches gets a dozen or so.


3 posted on 01/22/2009 6:01:24 AM PST by chatham
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To: Sergeant Tim
They have to be put someplace...What's the point of moving them?? No matter where they go, it will still be a "gitmo.

It is illogical and "creates targets".

4 posted on 01/22/2009 6:02:13 AM PST by Sacajaweau (I'm planting corn...Have to feed my car...)
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To: Sergeant Tim

I can´t enlarge the image at the Times site. What in the world are those photographers so interested in?


5 posted on 01/22/2009 6:02:15 AM PST by villagerjoel ("Gun control is a prerequisite for genocide." - Unknown)
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To: Sergeant Tim

“Congressman Murtha offered no opinion on the morality of willfully endangering his constituents in Pennsylvania’s 12th District”.

...I think it’s a great idea for Murtha to put those savages in his district! His ying-yang, slack jawed, doofus constituents that voted him back in deserve it!


6 posted on 01/22/2009 6:02:56 AM PST by albie
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To: Sergeant Tim
Murtha is the worst person in DC, and that is saying a lot.
7 posted on 01/22/2009 6:04:11 AM PST by Volunteer (Though I know that the hypnotized never lie, do ya? - The Who)
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To: Sergeant Tim

Murtha really is off his meds again.


8 posted on 01/22/2009 6:05:50 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Sergeant Tim

I’m going to find and read the entire text of the order before I comment.

I suspect it will contain one or more “caveats” or “outs” which will, in effect, mean that Gitmo stays open longer than one year.


9 posted on 01/22/2009 6:06:05 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: WayneS
I suspect it will contain one or more “caveats” or “outs” which will, in effect, mean that Gitmo stays open longer than one year.

I suspect you're right, but nobody will care by then, because their guy is in the White House, and that's all that matters.

10 posted on 01/22/2009 6:07:12 AM PST by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: Sergeant Tim; xzins
Murtha: "There's no reason not to put them in prisons in the United States and handle them the way they would handle any other prisoners."

All unconvicted criminals in the United States are eligible to be released on bail. To deny bail is to deny them their "constitutional" rights.

When we bring them here, we are going to have to let them go until they are convicted.

Or are these terrorists only entitled to "some" constitutional protections?

God has been merciful to this nation for a long time. I fear God is preparing this nation for judgment.

11 posted on 01/22/2009 6:07:20 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Sergeant Tim
9/11 families object?

Doubt that includes the Jersey Widows.

12 posted on 01/22/2009 6:07:49 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't fly, can't ski, can't drive, can't skipper a boat. But they know what's best.)
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To: Sergeant Tim

Lardass Murtha is a “sore in the United States’ moral standards”.


13 posted on 01/22/2009 6:07:49 AM PST by Christian4Bush (Role of the press: Republican scandal - prosecutors; Democrat scandal - Defense attorneys.)
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To: Sergeant Tim

Well how sweet of Bambi to sign an executive order to close down Gitmo. Now those subhumans will be placed in a prison where they will have a better chance to maybe indoctrinate future Religion of Piece.


14 posted on 01/22/2009 6:08:01 AM PST by Patriot Babe
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To: villagerjoel

The Times has made closing Gitmo its special interest.

BTW, clicking on the image should take you to their display on the front page.


15 posted on 01/22/2009 6:08:33 AM PST by Sergeant Tim (In the War on Terror, there is no place to run from here.)
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To: Sergeant Tim

As always, Obama and the democrats seek ways to protect terrorists that killed over 3000 Americans and countless U.S. soldiers, give them US citizen rights, pay for their lawyers with our tax dollars and release them into our cities if one of these lawyers can get them off on a ‘torture’ claim or technicality.,

Meanwhile...Obama, Pelosi and Reid plot and scheme to put a former US President and his whole administration on trial for ‘war crimes’....which the terrorist’s lawyers will use as ‘proof’ to get the terrorists off scot free.

There is something very wrong in the head with that whole party and their kook supporters.


16 posted on 01/22/2009 6:08:58 AM PST by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Sergeant Tim


Reporters seek substance in Obama's first actions as President.
17 posted on 01/22/2009 6:11:13 AM PST by Islander7 (This Atlas is shrugging! ~ I am Joe!)
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To: Sergeant Tim

“’Sure, I’d take them. They’re no more dangerous in my district than in Guantanamo,’ Murtha said”

It is WAYYYYYYYYY beyond me as to how the voters in Murtha’s district can stand to re-elect that POS after the repeated dissing he gives to his constituents.


18 posted on 01/22/2009 6:12:44 AM PST by ScottinVA (Make my world PURRRFECT, Lord Obama!)
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To: N. Theknow

No.

Along with the pre-9/11 Taliban-lovingm ‘More Peace Tomorrows’ crowd, they comprise a total of 31 family members who want due process and habeas corpus right for the Islamic terrorists that murdered their family members (and mine). And they joined the ACLU and Constitional Center for Rights in calling for Guantanamo’s closure.


19 posted on 01/22/2009 6:13:23 AM PST by Sergeant Tim (In the War on Terror, there is no place to run from here.)
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To: Sergeant Tim
Traitors don't care how much their decisions harm their country.
20 posted on 01/22/2009 6:14:55 AM PST by tobyhill (Obama gets no free pass from Free Republic!)
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To: chatham

Find the country of origin of these sub Humans and deliver them directly, any country which bitches gets a dozen or so.
_________________________________________________

......preferably out a side door of a small plane at 2,000 feet.....without a parachute.


21 posted on 01/22/2009 6:14:55 AM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear
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To: Sergeant Tim

The biggest success the terrorists have had in years was the election of Zero.

Close Gitmo, no waterboarding, or probably even harsh talk toward prisoners, decreased surveillance, closing foreign CIA prisons, and most likely prosecution of anti-terrorist interrogators.

It is Vince Flynn’s new book “Extreme Measures” in real life. How very sad.


22 posted on 01/22/2009 6:15:29 AM PST by RonboTex (Go ahead... Make my day.)
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To: Sergeant Tim

Symbolism over substance...

What is the point of closing down ANY prison??? -NONE, except symbolism.
-”See? we’ve closed down dat bad ol’ nasty pwison of ours! We’re really good guys all you Muslim terrorist countries!”

The only result in closing a prison will be that more criminals will be out loose to commit CRIME and TERRORISM.


23 posted on 01/22/2009 6:16:21 AM PST by J40000
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To: Sergeant Tim

Thanks very much. BTTT!


24 posted on 01/22/2009 6:18:51 AM PST by PGalt
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To: Sergeant Tim
Along with the pre-9/11 Taliban-lovingm ‘More Peace Tomorrows’ crowd, they comprise a total of 31 family members who want due process and habeas corpus right for the Islamic terrorists that murdered their family members (and mine). And they joined the ACLU and Constitional Center for Rights in calling for Guantanamo’s closure.

And that's why I think they will be "Willie Horton-ed" by Zero The Magnificent.

25 posted on 01/22/2009 6:26:19 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't fly, can't ski, can't drive, can't skipper a boat. But they know what's best.)
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To: Sergeant Tim

Double ping


26 posted on 01/22/2009 6:27:36 AM PST by Ulysse
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To: N. Theknow

Do you mean Dukakass’ way or Bush 41’s?


27 posted on 01/22/2009 6:31:15 AM PST by Sergeant Tim (In the War on Terror, there is no place to run from here.)
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To: Sergeant Tim

Not to worry. John Murtha (D-PA) has volunteered to have the terrorists come to PA, where there is a “minimum security prison” for their incarceration.
Pennsylvanians must be so proud that they elected this genius to represent them in Congress.


28 posted on 01/22/2009 6:32:32 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: dfwgator

IS MURTHA REALLY THAT STUPID???

And I think we could change the likely to a terrorist attack is CERTAIN to happen. When that chopper took off with W On it, these sickosnd all the groups that support terrorists were celebrating. Then they went back to planning the next attack on our soil.

So go ahead John. Accept the Gitmo prisoners. Then go ahead and figure out how much more dangerous things will be.....


29 posted on 01/22/2009 6:35:42 AM PST by cleveland gop (Jack Bauer is back!!! Are you in a FLANK 2 position???)
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To: kittymyrib
Not to worry. John Murtha (D-PA) has volunteered to have the terrorists come to PA, where there is a “minimum security prison” for their incarceration.

If we bring them here, then they have a constitutional right to be released on bail.

30 posted on 01/22/2009 6:36:42 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Sergeant Tim

I say push them out the gate right into Cuba.
Let them figure out what to do with them.


31 posted on 01/22/2009 6:37:17 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: Sergeant Tim

Close Gitmo and all such U.S. prisons world-wide, go handcuff the CIA, go completely soft on terrorism and wait for an attack, at which time martial law will be declared and the coup will have been completed.


32 posted on 01/22/2009 6:38:01 AM PST by LIConFem (The Tree of Liberty...)
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To: kittymyrib
I'll narrow that down a bit to Pennsylvanians from PA's 12th Congressional District. I couldn't legally vote for or against him.
33 posted on 01/22/2009 6:38:17 AM PST by Sergeant Tim (In the War on Terror, there is no place to run from here.)
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To: cleveland gop

In answer to your leading question: yes he is.


34 posted on 01/22/2009 6:39:24 AM PST by Sergeant Tim (In the War on Terror, there is no place to run from here.)
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To: Sergeant Tim
Hillary might well remember a lesson that Obama was too stoned to notice. When Fidel Castro dumped out his prisons, and sent psychotic criminals to float north, the Mariel Boat Lift contained these dangerous individuals.

After committing crimes in the US, the worst of the worst wound up in a federal prison in Fort Chaffee, Arkansas. There was a prison riot the likes of which had not been seen, and the ensuing bad press of the incident was one of the factors that led to Bill Clinton's only defeat in a general election.

I'm suspecting she still remembers it, and knows that it's fraught with danger. The current mealy-mouthed ramblings from Zero on the subject are his way of mollifying the moonbat fringe who wants the Gitmo detainees set free so they can testify in Congressional hearings that the libs hope will lead to the conviction and imprisonment of most of the Bush Administration that was connected with the war.

35 posted on 01/22/2009 6:39:59 AM PST by hunter112 (We seem to be on an excrement river in a Native American watercraft without a propulsion device.)
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To: Sergeant Tim

Why the hell would Zero care about what the victim’s families think?

He cares more about payback for his left-wing lunatic allies than he does for Americans who’ve suffered from terrorism.


36 posted on 01/22/2009 6:40:13 AM PST by reagan_fanatic ("You followin' me, camera guy?")
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To: P-Marlowe

Several lawyers from white shoe law firms have already said they would request bail for their “clients” should the detainees be brought to the United States.


37 posted on 01/22/2009 6:41:33 AM PST by Sergeant Tim (In the War on Terror, there is no place to run from here.)
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To: Sergeant Tim

One of the family members, a nice man from NJ who was a teen during WWII, was discussing this with Bill Hemmer this morning...he was heartbroken. I was screaming at the TV.


38 posted on 01/22/2009 6:44:48 AM PST by Miss Didi ( "After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Sergeant Tim; xzins
Several lawyers from white shoe law firms have already said they would request bail for their “clients” should the detainees be brought to the United States.

And Al Queda has millions of dollars hidden here that can be accessed to get these terrorists out on the streets. Our streets.

These people are in Gitmo because they are willing to blow themselves up to kill Americans. Now we are going to bring them to America and release them to become Martyrs for Osama.

Bush spent the last 7 years doing everything in his power to keep this country safe from terrorism. Obama's first official act as President is to undo all that Bush has done.

39 posted on 01/22/2009 6:45:39 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Sergeant Tim

Closing Gitmo, closing secret prisons aborad, ending “harsh” interrogations...would McCain have done much different? No.


40 posted on 01/22/2009 6:54:06 AM PST by bobjam
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To: Sergeant Tim
Do you mean Dukakass’ way or Bush 41’s?

The diminutive Du-kaka.

As in "Beware of Greeks wearing lifts."

41 posted on 01/22/2009 6:55:29 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't fly, can't ski, can't drive, can't skipper a boat. But they know what's best.)
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To: P-Marlowe

Al Qaeda has not and need not spend a penny defending their fellow murdering dog brothers. The ACLU has put up $8 million. The Kuwaiti government paid for both the lawyers and PR for their 12 jihadists. Literally bags of Middle Eastern money from Saudi Arabia, the UAE, you name it are waiting to throw at the lawyers itching to defend those b******s.


42 posted on 01/22/2009 6:55:41 AM PST by Sergeant Tim (In the War on Terror, there is no place to run from here.)
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To: albie

Hey! We’re not all ying-yang, slack jawed, doofuses, at least about 40% of us aren’t.


43 posted on 01/22/2009 6:56:00 AM PST by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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To: Sergeant Tim
Anyone know where I can find a good deal on some quality 7.62 Nato ammo in bulk?

LLS

44 posted on 01/22/2009 6:56:26 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my president... NEVER!)
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To: Sergeant Tim

Pfft! Rumor has it that Club Gitmo is NOT closing. MTV is working on a new Real World segment - Real World Guantanamo ... very hush hush.


45 posted on 01/22/2009 6:57:29 AM PST by sono ("I love George W. Bush" - Dalai Lama)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Afghanistan.


46 posted on 01/22/2009 6:57:54 AM PST by Sergeant Tim (In the War on Terror, there is no place to run from here.)
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To: Sergeant Tim
Did the new CiC express appreciation and total support for our military? If he did it was not well publicized. What did the Rat Party (formerly the traditional, patriotic Democratic Party) president do?

He tended to the well-being of the enemy! The very indescribably fiendish things that attacked and killed 3,000 civilians on 9/11 and that routinely dismember live captives before killing them.

As I read details of the latter I had the same disbelief that I had at the time of the former: these things don't happen but they did happen -- they are happening.

The military said that because of sensitive details of the soldiers' deaths, it will not be making a public statement after medical exams are conducted, although family members can learn the details if they wish.

47 posted on 01/22/2009 7:03:22 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Sergeant Tim

NEXT:

“President shows Cuba good faith by signing over possession of Guantanamo base”


48 posted on 01/22/2009 7:17:27 AM PST by XR7
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To: Sergeant Tim

The disdain this party shows against protecting this country should never come as a suprise anymore.

And when another attack happens, they’ll blame it on W, just like the idiots handbook tells them to.


49 posted on 01/22/2009 7:26:59 AM PST by cleveland gop (Jack Bauer is back!!! Are you in a FLANK 2 position???)
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To: Sergeant Tim

:-) Be hard for my buds to bring any back to me though.

LLS


50 posted on 01/22/2009 7:27:23 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my president... NEVER!)
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