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Chief Justice Roberts – Keeper of America’s Future
Australia.to ^ | Zach Jones

Posted on 01/25/2009 8:32:35 PM PST by FreeAtlanta

I am a retired (25) police officer and spent 26 years in the United States Air force as a MSGT in charge of Training for the 482 Security Police Squadron. Was in Vietnam and also served in the Gulf War. For the last year I have been watching this site on a daily basis not believing that Barack Hussein Obama has become our president. I coach a High School softball team and everyone of my players had to produce a birth certificate to be eligible to play through the state. I hate to say this, but we in a total crisis and something will happen if this man is allowed to continue to lead this once proud nation. I have never posted before but know many FBI, Secret Service Agents, CIA and many other Federal Agents who have told me they are not to discuss this issue about Obama or they will be terminated from employment. We all need to take a step back and pray that something will come out on all of these lawsuits. I spoke to the Supreme Court Justice in my state who advised that the US Supreme Court have been ordered to throw out any case that deal with the fraud President elect. May God Help us All (Emphasis added and typos corrected)

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To: mlo
Which does not apply to Hawaii and Obama's certificate, does it?

That would depend on what information a court would need to determine "Natural Born Citizenship". Even the "long form" might not be sufficient for that. Unless it shows a birth outside the US.

151 posted on 01/26/2009 6:13:54 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: mlo
The image on the internet is intended for the public. It isn't being used in an official capacity. There is no reason to assume the photographs are altered.

Actualy there is, but let that go for now.

No birth record or abstract thereof has been presented for the official purposes of determining eligibility to the office of President. That is *one* of the issues. The other being his birth to foreign national, not even a permanent resident alien. No court has examined either issue, AFAIK.

152 posted on 01/26/2009 6:17:10 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

The long form is the Certificate of Live Birth, or possibly the Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, or the Late Birth Cerficate. The short form, aka the abstract version (which is the most discriptive title) is the Certification of Live Birth. The Certification is not an “on file” document, it’s generated upon request, is not a “copy” of anything, and contains only a subset of the information on the Long Form. It will likely become obsolete, as the images of the full Long Form versions are put into computer data bases, and will be able to be printed as easily as the abtract version now is.

Yes, that is correct. On the short form COLB it states: “I certify this a true copy or abstract of the record on file in the Hawaii State Department Of Health.” Alvin T. Onaka, Ph.D. State Registrar
The only relevant information on either the long or short version is date of birth and the place of birth. The only relevant legal issue is whether the document is authentic and unaltered or a forgery.


153 posted on 01/26/2009 6:46:21 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777
The only relevant information on either the long or short version is date of birth and the place of birth. The only relevant legal issue is whether the document is authentic and unaltered or a forgery.

So say you. Others maintain that there is more to Natural Born Citizenship than being born in the US.

But that said, since The One has freely admitted he was a British subject at birth, as well as perhaps an American Citizen, why not provide access to either form and be done with at least that part of the issue? That can be done by providing a letter to the Hawaii Department of Health, or to anyone wishing to obtain the document, authorizing access. That sort of "third party" access is allowed under Hawaii law. That way the certified document would be provided directly to those wishing to view it, without going through anyone else's hands, thus preventing even the appearance of any impropriety. Since the issue of his dual nationality at birth is "in the open" nothing tending to show that would be a problem for him... or would it? It would be official then, rather than something in a book *he* ostensibly wrote. I mean, how do even the Kenyan Obamas know that Barack Hussein Obama, born in Kenya and raised by "Grandma Sarah" really was his father? He certainly doesn't look much like BHO Sr. He looks like his maternal grandfather, with a darker completion and eyes wavy hair, and slightly broader nose and fuller lips, but not much of any of those other than the complexion. (Grandpa Dunham was a real paleface, even after living in Hawaii for years.)

154 posted on 01/26/2009 6:58:48 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

The only pertinent information to establish native born citizen status is one’s place of birth within the United States of America.
Mexican-American anchor babies whose parents are Mexican nationals and in the US illegally are natural born US citizens if they are born on this side of the border.
If Barack Obama was born on Waikiki Beach and delivered by a midwife, he’s a Natural Born Citizen.
Under the US Code, the only children born in the US who aren’t Natural Born Citizens are the children of foreign ambassadors and foreign embassy staff.
Title 8/Section 1401 of the US Code defines “Nationals and Citizens of the United States at birth.”
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html


155 posted on 01/26/2009 7:01:42 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777

“and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” does not include people here illegally. Jurisdiction is not just about geography.


156 posted on 01/26/2009 7:31:43 PM PST by nominal (Christus dominus. Christus veritas.)
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To: nominal
The rumors of Hitlers' Jewish ancestry were unsubstantiated as far as I know. But, yeah he was born in Austria-Hungary.....

Hopefully I will be forgiven for digressing here. The second most interesting quest in genealogy for me, beside Howard Hughes was Adolf Hitler. Briefly, Hans Frank (executed for war crimes) was commissioned by Hitler to check on any Jewish ancestry. It did not exist.

The secret was taken to the grave by a poor peasant woman, of Hitler's paternal grandfather. She was Maria Schicklgruber. Her son, Alois Schicklgruber was Hitler's father. At the age of about 30 years, he had a forged birth certificate, to give him the name of Alois Hitler. Father named Heidler. The clerk transcribed it wrongly, but closely. Now he was legitimate person, not illegitimate as described in parish records in 1837.

I would say that the history of the woodland area (Waldviertel) where Hitler was born, was crossed and recrossed by various armies. The peasant people had no defence, just survived. My guess is that Hitler had the blood of at least three different races in his veins.

Oh oh, I said forged birth certificate, the plot thickens.

157 posted on 01/26/2009 8:15:36 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: nominal

““and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” does not include people here illegally. Jurisdiction is not just about geography.”


From the landmark US Supreme Court decision in the case of United States v Wong Kim Ark, 169 US. 649 of 1898: “The fourteenth amendment affirms the ancient and fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the territory, in the allegiance and under the protection of the country, including all children here born of resident aliens, with the exceptions or qualifications (as old as the rule itself) of children of foreign sovereigns or their ministers, or born on foreign public ships, or of enemies within and during a hostile occupation of part of our territory, and with the single additional exception of children of members of Indian tribes owing direct allegiance to their several tribes. The amendment, in clear words and in manifest intent, includes the children born within the territory of the United States of all other persons, of whatever race or color, domiciled within the United States.”


158 posted on 01/26/2009 8:20:44 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777
Obama has presented that

To whom, exactly? When, exactly? Under what rule(s) or law(s), exactly? Does it or does it not constitute "best evidence"? Who is Obama's Jr listed father, and what is his citizenry to document that Obama Jr is indeed a natural born citizen under then current law? Has Obama filed an affidavit with a court under penalty of perjury in either state or federal jurisdiction that he never relinquished the US citizenship you presume? If so, where? And if so, how did he attend Indonesian public school (documented historical fact) and how did he travel to Pakistan in 1980-1981 (documented historical fact) when Pakistan was on the list of countries that US citizens were banned from visiting?

The only legitimate legal question is whether or not the documentation that he has presented is forged or fraudulent.

See above for points that call into question his current citizenship status.

Google “Hawaii Revised Statutes Section 338” and pay particular attention to Sections 338-18 and 338-19.

Ahem, your point being... what, exactly? (And... why drag Google as a third party into a any legal argument??)

If it is that the US voting public has no tangible or direct interest in viewing Obama/Sotero's birth certificate, I respectfully disagree.

Why wait (for example) until a crisis with order of magnitude equivalent to the Cuban missile crisis to find out whether the military chain of command agrees with you? Or (for that matter) some low level (read: unelected) Hawaiian government PR flack?

Is that a risk the consequences of which you (jamese777) would be willing to underwrite??

At last glance, barackobama.com has up to date links to:

facebook

myspace

youtube

flickr

digg

twitter

eventful

linkedln

blackplanet

faithbase

eons

glee

migente

mybatanga

asianave

DNC partybuilder

Now... with all that wonderful effort, under what logic does Obama/Sotero withhold his birth certificate?? Contrast the remarkable amount of information provided with the absence of candor regarding a fundamental qualification that Obama needs in order to be qualified to serve the public as president under the US Constitution. Who is blowing smoke??

159 posted on 01/26/2009 8:38:09 PM PST by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: SteveH

You’re right, there’s no need to go through any search engine to get to the Hawaii statutes on the confidentiality and legal process for the release of vital records. I’m sure that you can get there on your own. Once again, the cite that you asked for is HRS 338-18, 19.

Who a person’s father is; what hospital they were born in; and what schools they attended are completely and totally irrelevant to whether or not they were born in the United States of America.

Whose job do you think it is to determine whose credentials are acceptable as a natural born citizen in order to become President of the United States?

If anybody wants to view Obama’s original birth certificate, get a subpoena for that document from a judge.

The burden of proof is no longer on Obama beyond qualifying to be on the ballot in 50 states and the District of Columbia.

There was an additional opportunity for any two (one Representative and one Senator were required) of 535 members of Congress to object to Vice President Cheney’s Certification of the Electoral College vote during the joint session of Congress held on January 8th to count the Electoral College votes. No Senator and no Representative objected to the official certification of the Election.
There is no legislative or judicial authority in the United States that has the power to overturn the electoral will of 69,456,897 voters and 365 Electors.
At this point in time and for the next four years, impeachment is the constitutional vehicle to remove Obama from office.


160 posted on 01/26/2009 9:23:13 PM PST by jamese777
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To: TheConservativeParty
At least in the case of Hitler, it was not against “the rules” for him to be a foreign born leader of the country.

Yes, it was. I have read that Hitler worked around this by having himself named as an attache to a German foreign office so he could claim title to German citizenship.

161 posted on 01/26/2009 9:40:33 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg (You're either in or in the way.)
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To: Peter Libra

Now that is interesting. Have you put any of your research online? I’d like to read more, I bet Howard Hughes is interesting too.

I’d heard Hitler turned his hometown or fathers’ hometown into an artillery or bomb range, but that could be another rumor.

The plot sickens is more like it.


162 posted on 01/27/2009 5:20:16 AM PST by nominal (Christus dominus. Christus veritas.)
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To: jamese777

“in the allegiance and under the protection of the country, including all children here born of resident aliens”


163 posted on 01/27/2009 5:21:08 AM PST by nominal (Christus dominus. Christus veritas.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Thanks for the correction. That Hitler was a sneaky little bastard, wasnt’ he? I have not studied Hilter, just saw a few programs on his twisted life. So adding your info to the list of Obama-Hilter similarities, they both violated the rules to become Furher. As G.Gordon Liddy says “Oh My!”.


164 posted on 01/27/2009 9:54:33 AM PST by TheConservativeParty (That's Mrs.Chief Master Sgt. to you sonny.)
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To: nominal

“in the allegiance and under the protection of the country, including all children here born of resident aliens”


Yes, that’s what the Supreme Court’s majority decision said.


165 posted on 01/27/2009 10:13:43 AM PST by jamese777
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To: FreeAtlanta
Here is some grist from the California Elections Code, Division 6, Part 1, Ch. 1 (Democrat Party), Ch. 3 (Selection of Candidates by the Secretary of State).

(Note: in California, the appearance of presidential candidate names on the presidential primary ballot is determined by the California Secretary of State. They are unable to tell people exactly what they do when people call them-- at least, not immediately. The procedure for determination is (somewhat surprisingly) not spelled out in the code either. Concerned individuals can call Maxine at the California Secretary of State's office in Sacramento, (916) 657-2166. Maxine tells callers that it is up to the Democrat Party in California to ensure that the Democratic candidates are Constitutionally qualified; but Chris at the California Democrat Party, (916) 422-5707, tells callers that his office did not have anything to do with putting Barack Obama's name on the California primary ballot, as far as he is aware, and refers callers to the California Secretary of State office and the California Elections Code. It is interesting that the candidate has to file an affidavit to get his or her name off the ballot but nothing in the code itself specifies nothing that he or she has to file to get his or her name on the ballot. )

6040. This article shall apply to the designation of candidates by the Secretary of State for placement only on the presidential primary ballot.

6041. The Secretary of State shall place the name of a candidate upon the presidential primary ballot when he or she has determined that the candidate is generally advocated for or recognized throughout the United States or California as actively seeking the nomination of the Democratic Party for President of the United States. The Secretary of State shall include as criteria for selecting candidates the fact of qualifying for funding under the Federal Elections Campaign Act of 1974, as amended. Between the 150th day and the 63rd day preceding a presidential primary election, the Secretary of State shall publicly announce and distribute to the news media for publication a list of the selected candidates that he or she intends to place on the ballot at the following presidential primary election. After the 63rd day preceding a presidential primary election, the Secretary of State may add candidates to the selection, but he or she may not delete any presidential candidate whose name appears on the announced list except as provided in Section 6043.

6042. When the Secretary of State decides to place the name of a candidate on the ballot pursuant to Section 6041, he or she shall notify the candidate that the candidate's name will appear on the ballot of this state in the presidential primary election. The secretary shall also notify the candidate that the candidate may withdraw his or her name from the list of recognized candidates by filing with the Secretary of State an affidavit pursuant to Section 6043 no later than the 60th day before the presidential primary election.

6043. If a selected candidate or an unselected candidate files with the Secretary of State, no later than the time specified in Section 6042, an affidavit stating without qualification that he or she is not now a candidate for the office of President of the United States, and stating that similar documents, also without qualification, have been or will be timely filed, where applicable, with the appropriate public election official in all other states holding open presidential primaries, that candidate's name shall be omitted from the list of names certified by the Secretary of State to the county elections officials for the ballot and his or her name shall not appear on the ballot.

166 posted on 01/27/2009 11:37:49 AM PST by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: jamese777
What is relevant to a presidential election is whether a candidate is a natural born citizen at the time he or she runs for office. A candidate who has never in the public record conclusively established his or her status as a natural born citizen or whose self-documented life includes visiting countries banned from visitation by US citizens or attending foreign schools whose students are restricted to be only citizens of a foreign country to begin with or who has relinquished whatever claim to citizenship he or she may have formerly held or who has otherwise yet to provide proof elegibility to become president under the US Constitution is by way of creating a vacuum of certainty over his or her claim to legitimacy of authority, effectively inviting legal and physical challenges to whatever authority he or she exercises in his or her presidential capacity. This effective invitation covers lawsuits, writs, domestic insurrections, and everything up to and including hostile nuclear actions from foreign countries or powers.

For the future, I think the vetting should be performed at the first time a candidate name is presented to a state election authority for appearance on a presidential primary ballot (to the best of my knowledge, that does not occur in any state or DC at this time).

As it currently seems to stand, Arnold Swarzenegger could under current procedure become US President by running for election, relying on his popularity with the voting public, and avoiding inconvenient questions until he is elected and sworn into office. Apparently that is a situation permitted by existing procedures, but at variance with the express intent of the authors of the US Constitution.

There was an additional opportunity for any two (one Representative and one Senator were required) of 535 members of Congress to object to Vice President Cheney’s Certification of the Electoral College vote during the joint session of Congress held on January 8th to count the Electoral College votes. No Senator and no Representative objected to the official certification of the Election.

It sounds to me as if you are already aware that it has been reported that Dick Cheney, when he presided over the Senate on January 8 did not, as prescribed by the Code of Federal Regulations, Title 3, Chapter 1, Section 15 ("Counting electoral votes in Congress"

Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any.

stop and ask the Senate for objections.

"We have met the enemy and he is us."

167 posted on 01/27/2009 1:13:41 PM PST by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: nominal; FreeAtlanta
The plot sickens is more like it.

Nary a truer word. My computer has troubles and was down, but to a good purpose. I trotted off and got the National Post, previously a somewhat conservative newspaper. Still, I should have gone to FR boot camp and known how to link. Herewith:

"Fans protest radio host firing
Something he said?"
by Melissa Leong (page A2 2nd paragraph)

Richard Syrett's final broadcast had been about Barack Obama's elegibility for the U.S. presidency: Was he really born in Kenya and not in Hawaii?"

We read further that the cancelled program was ended on inauguration day. The manager of CFRB stated that the show was cancelled because of low ratings. Book store owner Patrick Whyte, who lead a demonstration to re-instate Mr Syrette, claimed that such a subject would have been of interest.

The no doubt fairly objectively trained journalist Ms Leong, may have chanced it a little. Perhaps she cleared her little column with the big wigs though. She did however equate the supporter of Mr Syrette with U.F.O's and cover ups by the government. I guess she gets a pass.

Redoubtable Bill Cunningham mentioned Mr Syrett on Sunday night. He mentioned the subject matter. He also mentioned lovely Grandmother Sarah Obama, travelling to America and not being at the inauguration. Bill said this good lady has it that she was at the birth of Barack. This was not in America.

168 posted on 01/27/2009 1:21:12 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: Peter Libra

The National Post and that radio station is in Canada?

“The manager of CFRB stated that the show was cancelled because of low ratings” may very well be true.

Speaking of Canada, had you heard that Bill Ayers was turned back at the border not too long ago?

http://chicagoist.com/2009/01/19/bill_ayers_rejected_at_canadian_bor.php

“In other anti-Ayers news, Ill. state senator Larry Bromke (R-Springfield) wants to ban “admitted terrorists” from teaching at Illinois colleges because he is outraged that Illinois taxpayers are paying his salary.

“If we had a known pedophile, an admitted pedophile who had not been convicted, but an admitted pedophile, any school would be outraged to have that individual teaching kindergarten,” Bomke said. “So why would we want an admitted terrorist, an unrepentant terrorist, teaching kids at a university?” “


169 posted on 01/27/2009 2:40:36 PM PST by nominal (Christus dominus. Christus veritas.)
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To: nominal
The National Post and that radio station is in Canada?

I suppose we in far off Northern Ontario might take too much for granted. Naturally, just a spit from Upper Michigan we think these things are well known. Much of America pretty remote from the UP though in some ways. The National Post started up ten years ago. It was felt that the heavyweight Globe and Mail and the Toronto Star were inclined to be a little, well 'er liberally inclined. Conrad Black owned it. He stepped down and the much respected Asper family, though liberal persons then owned it. Hopefully they were to continue the general flow of thoughtful conservatism Some might think that it has changed to a little left since.(chuckle).

CFRB Toronto is however controlled from Astral Media Radio in Montreal. It is am radio. Also an icon of veteran Canadian radio.

Yep, I learned of Bill Ayres. Any sneaking sympathy for him, because he has gained some eminence in education, went when I read of the bomb. A cruel, wicked , cunning thing, to splatter human beings. I think the Canadians may have been under the gun and like to maintain they are consistent. It was they who turned back Clifford Irving, who claimed the figures of the holocaust were more likely 300,000 not six million. Irving was only a child during WW2 and has served time for his historical revision. They turned back Rev. Phelps from the United States. Phelps does deal in hate but the "wrong" targets. Gays for example. By that criteria, poor, misunderstood Bill, deserved to be rejected.

If you go to my profile, you will see where I got my information about Adolf Hitler. I just posted it.

170 posted on 01/27/2009 3:13:25 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: Peter Libra
Whoops, my bad.

The man turned back when he was to lecture in Canada, but not on the subject of the holocaust, was DAVID Irving. Certainly not Clifford Irving, who conned a big American magazine with the Howard Hughes "interviews". Clever lad Clifford, who never spoke to reclusive Howard, got half a million dollars for the accounts. Hughes worked the court from a telephone and Clifford got a year durance vile.

171 posted on 01/27/2009 3:39:27 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: Peter Libra

I’ll check out some National Post articles and keep them in mind while clicking around the news sites online.

Obama has known Ayers for a long time, served on a few boards in foundations like Annenberg along with Ayers’ father and brother. A friend of a known, unapologetic terrorist, and his family, and Obama is now the president. Truth sometimes is stranger than fiction as you alluded to in your book review. Thanks for that, I’ll have to find a copy.


172 posted on 01/27/2009 3:41:03 PM PST by nominal (Christus dominus. Christus veritas.)
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To: Peter Libra

lol Fake Hughes interviews. If he didn’t have to give the $500,000 back, a year in jail might have been worth it to him. ;)


173 posted on 01/27/2009 4:01:57 PM PST by nominal (Christus dominus. Christus veritas.)
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To: SteveH

What is relevant to a presidential election is whether a candidate is a natural born citizen at the time he or she runs for office. A candidate who has never in the public record conclusively established his or her status as a natural born citizen or whose self-documented life includes visiting countries banned from visitation by US citizens or attending foreign schools whose students are restricted to be only citizens of a foreign country to begin with or who has relinquished whatever claim to citizenship he or she may have formerly held or who has otherwise yet to provide proof elegibility to become president under the US Constitution is by way of creating a vacuum of certainty over his or her claim to legitimacy of authority, effectively inviting legal and physical challenges to whatever authority he or she exercises in his or her presidential capacity. This effective invitation covers lawsuits, writs, domestic insurrections, and everything up to and including hostile nuclear actions from foreign countries or powers.
For the future, I think the vetting should be performed at the first time a candidate name is presented to a state election authority for appearance on a presidential primary ballot (to the best of my knowledge, that does not occur in any state or DC at this time).

As it currently seems to stand, Arnold Swarzenegger could under current procedure become US President by running for election, relying on his popularity with the voting public, and avoiding inconvenient questions until he is elected and sworn into office. Apparently that is a situation permitted by existing procedures, but at variance with the express intent of the authors of the US Constitution.

There was an additional opportunity for any two (one Representative and one Senator were required) of 535 members of Congress to object to Vice President Cheney’s Certification of the Electoral College vote during the joint session of Congress held on January 8th to count the Electoral College votes. No Senator and no Representative objected to the official certification of the Election.

It sounds to me as if you are already aware that it has been reported that Dick Cheney, when he presided over the Senate on January 8 did not, as prescribed by the Code of Federal Regulations, Title 3, Chapter 1, Section 15 (”Counting electoral votes in Congress”

Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any.

stop and ask the Senate for objections.

“We have met the enemy and he is us.”


I’m sorry but you are mistaken. There is no FEDERAL law against running for President as non-Native Born CANDIDATE. The candidate of the Socialist Workers Party, Roger Calero received several thousand votes for President and was on the ballot in a number of states. He freely admits to being born in Nicaragua. What is unconstitutional is to SERVE as President if one is not Native Born.

Barack Hussein Obama II presented a certified document from the state of Hawaii’s Department of Health which states that he was born in the City of Honolulu, in the County of Honolulu, on the Island of Oahu, in the state of Hawaii at 7:24 P.M. on August 4, 1961. That document further states that Obama’s birth was registered with the state of Hawaii on August 8, 1961 and there are two notices of his birth which appeared in the Honolulu Advertiser and the Honolulu Star-Bulliten newspapers on Sunday, August 13, 1961.
Therefore the ONLY legal issue regarding his status as a Natural Born Citizen is whether the document that he has presented from the state of Hawaii is a forgery or a fraudulent {altered and invalid) document.

I am suggesting that his vault copy, long form, original Certification of Live Birth be subpoenaed by any authorized officer of the Court (in accordance with Hawaii law) such as a District Attorney or a state Attorney General to ascertain the validity of his original birth certificate and his short form Certification of Live Birth. Thus far, to my knowledge no subpoena has been issued.

All objections to the certification of the Electoral College vote on January 8th had to be submitted IN WRITING before the Joint Session of Congress met. The Vice President received no written objections, therefore he did not inquire as to whether there were any objections. It would have taken one Senator and one Representative stating their objections IN WRITING to stop the Certification of the Electoral Collge vote.
Once the Electoral College has voted, their votes have been certified by the President of the Senate, and the person with the most electoral votes has taken the Oath of Office at Noon on January 20th, there is a President.
The process of removing a sitting President is via impeachment for high crimes and misdemeanors in a Senate trial.


174 posted on 01/27/2009 4:38:34 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777
I’m sorry but you are mistaken. There is no FEDERAL law against running for President as non-Native Born CANDIDATE.

Earlier you asked me

Whose job do you think it is to determine whose credentials are acceptable as a natural born citizen in order to become President of the United States?

I was merely responding in the idealistic sense.

Barack Hussein Obama II presented a certified document from the state of Hawaii’s Department of Health which states that he was born in the City of ...

I'm sorry, to whom did he present the certified document and for what specific reason? By "certified document" are you referring to a certification or a long form birth certificate?

Apparently Obama has signed statements for various states to the effect that he is Constitutionally qualified to serve as president, and copies of these signed statements are apparently publicly available (at least they show up on the Internet). IMHO that's a stronger assertion than merely that he was born in the US. Anyway, there seem to be are four possible outcomes.

One, the statements are true and will be publicly proven to be true-- if so, his authority will be enhanced by the discrediting of some of his detractors.

Two, the statements are false and will be publicly proven to be false-- if so, the US is IMHO likely to be thrown into mass confusion if not civil war.

Three, the veracity of the statements remain in doubt for the duration of his presidency.

Four, some event occurs that makes the question of the veracity of the statements moot, such as if Obama dies or is determined to be mentally incompetent to carry out his duties while in office, or he declares martial law.

To me, it is difficult to imagine Obama being able to maintain an airtight lid on whether or not he is qualified. Every presidency since Washington has had a honeymoon period followed by political discord to a greater or lesser degree. Because of the large magnitude of political forces being exerted in such times, those times are when such secrets tend to come out, if they do not already come out during the election process.

Alternative four is particularly scary to me.

All objections to the certification of the Electoral College vote on January 8th had to be submitted IN WRITING before the Joint Session of Congress met.

Cite?

The Vice President received no written objections, ...

Cite?

175 posted on 01/27/2009 5:54:45 PM PST by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: SteveH

I’m sorry but you are mistaken. There is no FEDERAL law against running for President as non-Native Born CANDIDATE.
Earlier you asked me

Whose job do you think it is to determine whose credentials are acceptable as a natural born citizen in order to become President of the United States?

I was merely responding in the idealistic sense.

Barack Hussein Obama II presented a certified document from the state of Hawaii’s Department of Health which states that he was born in the City of ...

I’m sorry, to whom did he present the certified document and for what specific reason? By “certified document” are you referring to a certification or a long form birth certificate?

Apparently Obama has signed statements for various states to the effect that he is Constitutionally qualified to serve as president, and copies of these signed statements are apparently publicly available (at least they show up on the Internet). IMHO that’s a stronger assertion than merely that he was born in the US. Anyway, there seem to be are four possible outcomes.

One, the statements are true and will be publicly proven to be true— if so, his authority will be enhanced by the discrediting of some of his detractors.

Two, the statements are false and will be publicly proven to be false— if so, the US is IMHO likely to be thrown into mass confusion if not civil war.

Three, the veracity of the statements remain in doubt for the duration of his presidency.

Four, some event occurs that makes the question of the veracity of the statements moot, such as if Obama dies or is determined to be mentally incompetent to carry out his duties while in office, or he declares martial law.

To me, it is difficult to imagine Obama being able to maintain an airtight lid on whether or not he is qualified. Every presidency since Washington has had a honeymoon period followed by political discord to a greater or lesser degree. Because of the large magnitude of political forces being exerted in such times, those times are when such secrets tend to come out, if they do not already come out during the election process.

Alternative four is particularly scary to me.

All objections to the certification of the Electoral College vote on January 8th had to be submitted IN WRITING before the Joint Session of Congress met.

Cite?

The Vice President received no written objections, ...

Cite?


OK, I see, “in an idealistic sense.” Gotcha.

You have to apply to be on the ballot in each state. That is why so many of the lawsuits concerning Obama’s eligibility are directed at various states’ Secretaries of State, the official most often responsible for implementing elections. For example, one of the law suits that is still alive is Ambassador Alan Keyes’ suit in California which is entitled “Lightfoot v Bowen.” Bowen is Debra Bowen, California’s Secretary of State. Obama himself is not named in the suit.
ALL state issued birth documents in Hawaii are called “Certifications.” Hospitals issue birth certificates, the state issues Certifications whether they are long form or short form.

Obama can’t maintain “an airtight lid.” As I keep saying over and over, what is needed is a subpoena for his original Certification of Live Birth. All that is required under Hawaii Law (HRS 338-18 Part 9) and I quote, is a person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction.”

The citation for submitting objections to the Electoral College vote is Chapter 1 of Title 3, United States Code (62 Stat. 672, as amended) Section 15 “Counting electoral votes in congress.” is the specific section.

The citation for Cheney not verbally asking for objections is Section 18, and I quote: “While the two Houses shall be in meeting as provided in this chapter, the President of the Senate shall have the power to preserve order, and no debate shall be allowed and no question shall be put by the presiding officer except to either House on a motion to withdraw.” —Chapter 1, Title 3, United States Code (62 Stat. 672,as amended, Section 18.


176 posted on 01/27/2009 7:37:49 PM PST by jamese777
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To: Arguendo

You’re overlooking the fact that there is speculation out there, which served as the premise for the comment in question, regarding the possibility that a fraudulent entity (meaning a group of individuals) has positioned itself in such a way as to exert control over our government.

Having read the above, you are now faced with either accepting the potential legitimacy of the speculation or rejecting it. If you reject it you can do so either directly (for which you have no reality-based claim so your ability to participate adequately in the discussion would be significantly damaged), or by running away from the challenge through the use of deceptive language.


177 posted on 01/28/2009 3:59:41 AM PST by reasonisfaith (Liberals have neither the creativity nor the confidence to understand the truth of conservatism)
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To: jamese777; All
"ALL state issued birth documents in Hawaii are called “Certifications.” Hospitals issue birth certificates, the state issues Certifications whether they are long form or short form."

Just for clarification, in Hawaii there are 4 birth documents:

- Certification of Live Birth
- Certificate of Live Birth (long form or vault copy)
- Certificate of Delayed Birth
- Certificate of Hawaiian Birth

The certification is issued in lieu of any of the other 3, and which one is not specified, nor are any changes or modifications to the original shown on the certification.

178 posted on 01/28/2009 4:59:12 AM PST by nominal (Christus dominus. Christus veritas.)
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To: FreeAtlanta
I wonder how future historians will judge key people in this Obama 2008 presidential eligibility fiasco.

I’m sorry, but I can’t help but think that future historians will be awfully cruel to people like Congresswoman Pelosi and the members of the Supreme Court who—for strange reasons known only to themselves—sacrificed the integrity of the Constitution of the United States in order to allow a person to be sworn in as president who presented NO legal evidence whatsoever that he was even eligible to become President of the United States.

I can’t help but feel so sorry for future members of the Pelosi family and for the families of the present members of the Supreme Court who will have to face the public’s eternal outrage over the fact that an IN-eligible person—-IN-eligible according to the laws of the Constitution—–was allowed to be sworn in as President of the United States on Jan. 20, 2009.

179 posted on 01/31/2009 5:31:54 PM PST by john mirse
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