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With one signature he could spell the end of this program, Rush Let's BC cat out of bag
vanity | 01/27/2009 | vanity

Posted on 01/27/2009 10:16:03 AM PST by FreeAtlanta

Rush just said that Obama isn't afraid of him. With one signature, Obama could spell the end to this show. This has to be why he and others will not question the Birth Certificate issue.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: bho2009; birthcertificate; eligibility; ineligible; limbaugh; naturalborncitizen; obama; rush; rushlimbaugh; talkradio
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To: trumandogz

What is AFAICT?


101 posted on 01/27/2009 12:13:27 PM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Calpernia
What is AFAICT?

"As Far As I Can Tell."

You're wasting your time with Trumandogz. He doesn't care about the Constitution.

102 posted on 01/27/2009 12:16:03 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

“Rush was already bumped off television and nobody had to sign anything.”

From what I have read, that is not true.

Rush himself said he did not like TV. He liked radio; therefore, he quit.


103 posted on 01/27/2009 12:17:25 PM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: libbylu

Yeah, who gives a flying rat’s patooty where the Kenyan was born. Of course, the Kenyan doesn’t care about it either...

So what if the Kenyan subverts the Constitution, after all, he’s said it’s flawed and needs changing - hope and change, and all that good stuff.


104 posted on 01/27/2009 12:18:27 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: iopscusa
I think this administration will not be hands off with the satelitte radio either...

Satellite Radio is finished with or without Obama in the White House.

The cost to maintain the infrastructure for satellite radio is expensive and it has to compete with not only terrestrial radio but with the iPod and iPhone.

For example, the iPod that I use in my car has more than 30,000 songs and my iPhone can pick up more than 2000 radio stations via the Internet.

Why would I want to pay a monthly service fee for something that I can get for free?

105 posted on 01/27/2009 12:20:35 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Calpernia

As Far As I Can Tell....


106 posted on 01/27/2009 12:21:16 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz

You’re the one that asked. I answered.


107 posted on 01/27/2009 12:24:58 PM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Calpernia

Thanks for linking that article.

However, the question was not if parties that were questioning Obama’s status as a natural born citizen but rather who are all these lawyers that have Represented Obama?

Thus far, no one has been able to cite the name of one attorney that has argued a NBC case FOR Obama at the SCOTUS or any other court in the country.


108 posted on 01/27/2009 12:26:28 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: buccaneer81
You're wasting your time with Trumandogz.

Thanks for the Shout Out!

However, in post 65 you wrote: Let Hussein produce the BC, let him quit fighting multiple court battles to avoid producing it, and maybe I'll think otherwise.

What "court battles" has Obama fought in regards to the NBC Question? If he is in fact fighting all these "court battles" he must have teams of lawyers arguing his case in front of the SCOTUS and courts throughout the land.

Interestingly, while you say he is fighting "court battles" you are unable to name what court these battles have taken place and what lawyers Obama has working for him on these cases.

109 posted on 01/27/2009 12:35:40 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: buccaneer81; libbylu; steve-b; woofie; NorCoGOP; anniegetyourgun; altura; Jim Robinson; kristinn; ..
Dude, the BC is a nonissue. It is only an issue with a tiny portion of a tiny fringe of people who thought it could be an out. BC fanatics are fanatics, hopers and dreamers. There is no BC issue. Get it?????

You're wrong. Let Hussein produce the BC, let him quit fighting multiple court battles to avoid producing it, and maybe I'll think otherwise.

Barack Obama three-layer ineligibility to be president must haunt both himself and all of America, people, states, federal branches, until the truth is revealed -- or throughout history if necessary.

Barry Soetoro's (last legal, Indonesian name) must be exposed or driven into the dust, in as many minds as possible -- simply with the truth. Don't be foolish. This as a battle for what is left of the American republic. A lot of people have died to get it to you, LibbyLu, steve-b, woofie, NorCoGOP, and others. What are you doing about it? Parroting the Obot media and Obama's neo-Marxist backers and organizers?

The essential illegitimacy of this poseur must be his mantle.

1. U.K. citizen at birth -- not a "natural born Citizen"

2. Spends a fortune to hide is place of birth and no one in Hawaii recalls it. The house listed in the newspaper announcement as his parents' was not his parents'.

3. Not even a U.S. Citizen at all, since that was revoked when he became an Indonesian citizen as adopted by Soetoro and entered into public school.

Memorize it. Write it on a little card if you need, and put it in your wallet.

We have an illegitimate, usurping, rogue president. He is a fraud.

That is the message that should go out to others, whatever else we say to them. It should hover over his head, everywhere he goes, in the country out outside it, whatever any court does, and everyone should have that question or exclamation mark in their minds, when they see him.

If you still don't understand that this man must be epistemologically and psychologically defeated in as many minds as possible, what are you even doing here?

110 posted on 01/27/2009 12:42:56 PM PST by unspun (PRAY & WORK FOR FREEDOM - investigatingobama.blogspot.com)
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To: trumandogz
Thanks for the Shout Out!

My apologies for the breach of etiquette.

111 posted on 01/27/2009 12:47:44 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: Para-Ord.45

Better yet, go satilite or internet radio, plus podcasting. That should work too.


112 posted on 01/27/2009 12:48:32 PM PST by Biggirl (GO UCONN!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: unspun
1. U.K. citizen at birth -- not a "natural born Citizen"

Dual citizenship doesn't defeat his natural-born status if he was born in Hawaii. See the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in Wong Kim Ark.

2. Spends a fortune to hide is place of birth and no one in Hawaii recalls it. The house listed in the newspaper announcement as his parents' was not his parents'.

Cite some evidence that he has "spent a fortune."

3. Not even a U.S. Citizen at all, since that was revoked when he became an Indonesian citizen as adopted by Soetoro and entered into public school.

Wrong again, per the U.S. Supreme Court. Someone born in the United States never loses their citizenship unless he (not his parents) intentionally renounces it. (Afroyim v. Rusk).

113 posted on 01/27/2009 12:48:55 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: trumandogz
Interestingly, while you say he is fighting "court battles" you are unable to name what court these battles have taken place and what lawyers Obama has working for him on these cases.

A couple of other posters clued you in on this. Remember?

114 posted on 01/27/2009 12:49:16 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: unspun

Well said!


115 posted on 01/27/2009 12:50:08 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: trumandogz

I’m confused by what you are asking. You want one of Obama’s attorney’s names? Give me a minute. I have that. He has been adding junk defendents to Keyes case.


116 posted on 01/27/2009 12:50:24 PM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: trumandogz

The attorney spouting busy work in Keyes v. Bowan is Fredric Woocher of Strumwasser & Woocher, LLP.


117 posted on 01/27/2009 12:54:09 PM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: o_zarkman44

The seeds from such that could down the road errupt into civil war.


118 posted on 01/27/2009 12:54:56 PM PST by Biggirl (GO UCONN!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: buccaneer81
The fact is that there have been no "court battles" regarding the NBC Question.

Instead, petitioners have filed a multitude of cases to the SCOTUS and other various courts throughout the land and every case has been rejected.

No need to argue a case or spend a dime on attorney fees when cases are not accepted by a court.

119 posted on 01/27/2009 12:57:34 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
Dual citizenship doesn't defeat his natural-born status if he was born in Hawaii. See the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in Wong Kim Ark.

Manifestly wrong.

1. The known meaning of the Constitution trumps any bad precedent. But...

2. Justice Gray in Wong Kim Ark stated he was a "native born citizen" and he clearly know what a "natural born Citizen" referred to in the Constitution. That is ostensibly why he stopped short, since there hereditary right was not referred to in "native" but was in "natural."

120 posted on 01/27/2009 12:58:14 PM PST by unspun (PRAY & WORK FOR FREEDOM - investigatingobama.blogspot.com)
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To: Calpernia

Who is Fredric Woocher working for?


121 posted on 01/27/2009 12:59:10 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
Cite some evidence that he has "spent a fortune."

He has employed many lawyers much time in this, in fighting cases, in promoting "fightthesmears" propaganda about it, and in providing the inconsequential "Certificate of Live Birth." Cite some actual, conclusive evidence that BHO was born in Hawaii? That (or its failure) is what they are hiding.

122 posted on 01/27/2009 1:01:20 PM PST by unspun (PRAY & WORK FOR FREEDOM - investigatingobama.blogspot.com)
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To: trumandogz

My list of services has him marked as an attorney for Barack H. Obama.


123 posted on 01/27/2009 1:02:33 PM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: unspun; Lurking Libertarian
From the U.S. Department of State website.

A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth. U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html

Perhaps, you could provide a link to the law that states that a person gives up his status as a natural born citizen if he for any point in his life is considered a dual citizen.

124 posted on 01/27/2009 1:09:44 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz

“citizenship by marriage”

Would it help with your understanding of Perkins v Elg if this is pointed out?


125 posted on 01/27/2009 1:17:41 PM PST by nominal (Christus dominus. Christus veritas.)
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To: nominal
Would it help with your understanding of Perkins v Elg if this is pointed out?

While other nations may permit people to acquire citizenship by marriage, the United States does not.

126 posted on 01/27/2009 1:20:35 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: unspun

We need to send cases up weekly to SCOTUS with all UNITED STATES Military plaintiffs - active, reserve and retired military. Let SCOTUS tell them they have no standing.

We then let the military know including VFW, web sites and any way possible. Do our brave soldiers have NO Standing?

We are not going to do “catch & release” with terrorists. Let our sons get killed because they cannot shoot back at terrorists or have to catch them just to release them.

Is Rush going to go for it?


127 posted on 01/27/2009 1:23:58 PM PST by Frantzie
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To: mnehrling
"The lawyers fighting the cases for the most part have nothing to do with Bambi ..."

What flavor is that kool-aid you've been swilling?

128 posted on 01/27/2009 1:25:07 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

The ones that have gone in front of judges and have actually done face time are not Bambi’s people, that’s what I’m referring to. His lawyers have simply filed motions to dismiss.


129 posted on 01/27/2009 1:27:00 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Lurking Libertarian
Wrong again, per the U.S. Supreme Court. Someone born in the United States never loses their citizenship unless he (not his parents) intentionally renounces it. (Afroyim v. Rusk).

Thank you for that semi-correction.

Afroyim v. Rusk was a wrong (and 5-4) decision, made in the liberalized 1967 court and it could be either overturned or found not applicable to an issue of "natural born citizenship" by its obvious intention to exclude anyone of a foreign jurisdiction and allegiance from being president.

Further to this regarding Obama, if he decided to carry forward a foreign citizenship at or after age 18, his U.S. citizenship is revoked, as I understand the law and I do not find that effectively refuted. He dormed in the internationals section in college, he has hidden his college records, and he flew in 1981 on a passport not American, since he flew to Pakistan, which forbade Americans entry at that time. If this is so, and the evidence indicates it is, so far, he decided upon Indonesian citizenship and not American citizenship as an adult, which de facto revokes his American citizenship. BTW, Indonesia had no provision for dual citizenship, so that is what his parents were likely informed at the time (previous to the Afroyim decision).

So, whether as a child or as an adult, the evidence revealed thusfar indicates that "Barry Soetoro" is not an American Citizen at all.

130 posted on 01/27/2009 1:27:02 PM PST by unspun (PRAY & WORK FOR FREEDOM - investigatingobama.blogspot.com)
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To: Calpernia

Well that is interesting since my google search of “Fredric Woocher” + Obama indicates that Woocher did contribute money to Obama, it does not however indicate that Obama has been a client of Woocher in any matter, not even a case related to the NBC Question.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=all&q=%22Fredric+Woocher%22+obama&start=20&sa=N


131 posted on 01/27/2009 1:28:19 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: NorCoGOP

Find something that matters? Like the Constitution maybe?

The Deniers need to put down their remote controls.


132 posted on 01/27/2009 1:31:00 PM PST by Frantzie
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To: trumandogz; Lurking Libertarian; MHGinTN
Perhaps, you could provide a link to the law that states that a person gives up his status as a natural born citizen if he for any point in his life is considered a dual citizen.

That is an example of court usurpation of what should be legislation. It is for the court to decide. See my immediate prior post, about why it is absurd to apply this in the instance of the question of whether or not one is a "natural born Citizen."

The language "natural born Citizen" was at its essence used to refer to someone without any other allegiance or jurisdicion.

See the John Jay letter here, which spells this out, in the common understanding maintained at the time, as per Vatel and Tucker.

Afroyim v. Rusk and its subsequent judicial activist decisions (and legislatively derelict abdications of responsibility) do not touch "natural born Citizen," even if they are allowed to continue to wrongly pollute court decisions.

133 posted on 01/27/2009 1:33:27 PM PST by unspun (PRAY & WORK FOR FREEDOM - investigatingobama.blogspot.com)
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To: unspun

There has been refutation of the travel ban to Pakistand at that time, I don’t have any links/sources, but from what I’ve read it was possible to travel there, but not that easy. Hopefully someone who knows exactly will jump in.

It certainly would be interesting to know under what nationality he traveled before becoming a Senator. I suppose that’s why the breakins. If there was nothing to hide and scrub, why would they have bothered. What was found? What was changed?


134 posted on 01/27/2009 1:34:16 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: trumandogz; Lurking Libertarian; MHGinTN

Here is the John Jay letter.

http://investigatingobama.blogspot.com/2008/12/wrotnowski-v-bysiewicz-natural-born.html

Here is an explanation of it.

http://investigatingobama.blogspot.com/2008/12/donofrio-dual-citizenship-natural-born.html


135 posted on 01/27/2009 1:34:17 PM PST by unspun (PRAY & WORK FOR FREEDOM - investigatingobama.blogspot.com)
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To: trumandogz
Here you go:


136 posted on 01/27/2009 1:38:02 PM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: trumandogz

Look at the date of the case. At the time, that was the law, wasn’t it?


137 posted on 01/27/2009 1:39:44 PM PST by nominal (Christus dominus. Christus veritas.)
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To: unspun
Afroyim v. Rusk was a wrong (and 5-4) decision...

My guess is that your opinion that Afroyim v. Rusk was a wrong decision will have little if any impact on any decision the Court may make regarding BHO's NBC status.

if he decided to carry forward a foreign citizenship at or after age 18, his U.S. citizenship is revoked, as I understand the law and I do not find that effectively refuted.

That is not what the U.S. State Department says.

138 posted on 01/27/2009 1:40:53 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: FreeAtlanta

The Fairness Doctrine doesn’t need legislation. It would be implemented thru the FCC, an executive branch. The head of the Executive Branch, i.e., the POTUS, i.e., Barrack Obama, needs only to order the FCC to implement the Fairness Doctrine.

The BC issue has run its course; it’s over. We should no longer let it distract from viable issues.


139 posted on 01/27/2009 1:42:15 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: FreeAtlanta
As per El Rushbo:

I don’t think he’s afraid of anybody. He’s the president of the United States. This is a political play to marginalize me so that Republicans are afraid to associate with my ideas or any of us. He wants conservatism, mainstream conservatism to be thought of the way you and I think of communism. He wants it thought of as the most foreign, the most offensive, the most extreme manner of belief possible. There are no elected Republicans who are espousing conservatism today, so he’s gotta find somebody who is. I happen to be the most prominent voice, but there are many others, so he focuses on me. This is a Saul Alinsky radical rule number 13: Pick the target, me, isolate it, polarize it. It’s almost like Colin Powell. We’ll kill it, we’ll isolate it, we’ll cut its head off. That’s what’s happening here. This is a purposeful effort to get rid of conservatism as a mainstream way of thinking forever in this country, make no mistake about it.

140 posted on 01/27/2009 1:44:50 PM PST by smokingfrog (T.A.R.P. = Viagra for politicians and you get screwed.)
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To: unspun
See the John Jay letter here, which spells this out, in the common understanding maintained at the time, as per Vatel and Tucker.

Read Perkins v. Elg which states that a person born to one naturalized citizen and one non citizen is a "natural born citizen" of the United States.

141 posted on 01/27/2009 1:45:19 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: nominal
At the time, that was the law, wasn’t it?

If you say so, but I have seen no documentation that states that citizenship was automatically acquired by marriage in the United States.

142 posted on 01/27/2009 1:46:55 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Calpernia

Oaky, thanks, but I am unaware of any court battle that have taken place regrading the NBC Question.


143 posted on 01/27/2009 1:48:58 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz
Oaky, thanks, but I am unaware of any court battle that have taken place regrading the NBC Question.

That was sarcasm right?

because usually an alarm goes off on your computer whenever someone post anything about Obama's Birth certificate.....

144 posted on 01/27/2009 1:53:32 PM PST by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: unspun

I have two passports, a U.S. Passport and a passport from the country where I was born. Whenever I exit of leave the U.S. I use my U.S. Passport however, there have been times when I used my other passport to enter and exit a third country. There is nothing illegal about that process.


145 posted on 01/27/2009 1:56:04 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: usmcobra

A court battle is when two opposing sides argue a case in front of a court.

To the best of my knowledge, there has not been one single court where two parties argued the NBC Question in front of the court. Yes, numerous cases have been submitted to courts and rejected, but none have been accepted by a court to be argued.


146 posted on 01/27/2009 1:59:44 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Sybeck1
Moot issue when the highest court in the land gives it a pass.

But they really haven't. They've denied motions for injunctions, for stays, and cert only for those cases that have not gone through the "proper" tack in lower courts.

Now that might not mean anything. Or it could mean they are dotting their i's and crossing their t's, making sure whatever they do in the future is completely legally defensibily.

We shall see. Stay tuned.

147 posted on 01/27/2009 2:04:20 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: trumandogz; Calpernia
Read Perkins v. Elg which states that a person born to one naturalized citizen and one non citizen is a "natural born citizen" of the United States.

I have examined the issue of Perkins v. Elg. It simply does not attempt to determine what is a natural born Citizen, per the presidential requirement in the Constitution.

Natural Born Citizens: Or How to Beat a Subject to Death with a Stick, Judah Benjamin, November 28, 2008

The Law -- Perkins v. ELG, CalperniaUSA

148 posted on 01/27/2009 2:05:02 PM PST by unspun (PRAY & WORK FOR FREEDOM - investigatingobama.blogspot.com)
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To: trumandogz
My guess is that your opinion that Afroyim v. Rusk was a wrong decision will have little if any impact on any decision the Court may make regarding BHO's NBC status.

One can day similar things about Dredd Scott and Roe/Doe.

It is for the court to decide and Congress to reinstill their responsibility to legislate.

149 posted on 01/27/2009 2:06:59 PM PST by unspun (PRAY & WORK FOR FREEDOM - investigatingobama.blogspot.com)
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To: freespirited
IIRC The One took an oath to uphold the Constitution.

On the re-do, he probably had his other hand behind his side with his fingers crossed.

Some people's oaths are not worth the paper they weren't written on.

150 posted on 01/27/2009 2:11:05 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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