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Netanyahu: Obama Will Try to Internationalize Jerusalem Sites
Arutz Sheva ^ | 1-28-09 | Hana Levi Julian

Posted on 01/28/2009 8:39:17 AM PST by SJackson

(IsraelNN.com) Likud party chairman and Knesset Opposition leader MK Binyamin Netanyahu warned at the Jerusalem Conference Wednesday that the Obama administration and leftist Israeli politicians will try to internationalize holy sites in Jerusalem -- and he vowed to fight the move.

Netanyahu speech starts at 1:00 minute mark in video below.

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Netanyahu told the audience, “Some politicians are trying to blur the importance of the Temple Mount to the Jewish People by referring to it as the ‘Holy Basin.’ We, as Jews, know who built the Temple Mount.”

The term “Holy Basin” refers to the area of the Temple Mount, the Mount of Olives, Mount Zion and a variety of Christian holy sites which the administration of former U.S. President Bill Clinton recommended be administered under a “special regime.”

This raises the issue of who would administer the Temple Mount, since at present the Wakf Islamic Authority controls the site, albeit under Israeli sovereignty. Moreover, the Arab neighborhoods surrounding the Temple Mount, home to tens of thousands of Israeli Arab residents, are also a part of greater Jerusalem, and thereby fall into the same discussion.

Former prime minister Netanyahu, who will likely return to his old leadership role after the February 10 Israel elections, repeatedly emphasized the Likud’s loyalty to the concept of a united Jerusalem.

“We have demonstrated in the past, and will continue to demonstrate our commitment to a complete, undivided Jerusalem,” Netanyahu assured a packed hall at the Jerusalem Regency Hotel, where he opened the final day of the Jerusalem Conference.

“What would have happened had we not built all those neighborhoods” around the central part of the capital after the Six-Day War, Netanyahu asked. “Jerusalem would have been choked.” Moreover, he said, transferring sovereignty over those areas to the Palestinian Authority is not an option.

“Everyone knows what will happen if we were to leave those areas and divide Jerusalem. Someone will enter – and that someone will be Hamas.”

Dividing the capital, or resurrecting the specter of internationalizing the “Holy Basin”, this time at the recommendation of the U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, would cause more problems even for the international community that it would solve, he added.

The three major religions of the world exist in peace, have access to all their sites, only because Jerusalem is united and under Israeli rule, Netanyahu contended, adding in deliberately Hebrew-accented English, “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!”

After Netanyahu's Jerusalem Conference speech, he convened with his fellow party member Dr. Yuval Steinitz and Ichud Leumi (National Union) party Chairman Yaakov Katz. Katz asked the Likud chairman what his plans are for a coalition after the Israel elections. Netanyahu responded, "We will establish a broad coalition based on all the Zionist parties - blue and orange." [Orange is the color associated with the Ichud Leumi (National Union) party and its supporters].

The meeting between Netanyahu and Katz was held in a positive atmosphere with reciprocal intentions for developing a close working relationship. Katz later told reporters, "Only a strong Ichud Leumi (National Union) in the Knesset will insure that all the good intentions of the government will be implemented."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agenda; bho44; bhomiddleeast; bibi; holyland; israel
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1 posted on 01/28/2009 8:39:17 AM PST by SJackson
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Probably political posturing on Bibi's part. If Obama thinks he's going to create an international city in Jerusalem, he's smoking something other than tobacco.

2 posted on 01/28/2009 8:40:56 AM PST by SJackson (The American people are wise in wanting change, 2 terms is plenty, Condi Rice)
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To: SJackson

We know what to ‘internationalize’ means in the modern lexicon.


3 posted on 01/28/2009 8:42:18 AM PST by skeeter
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To: SJackson

Don’t take this the wrong way, but that’s some of the best news I’ve heard yet.

The biggest obstacle to Mid East peace (beyond psychotic Muslims) is the issue of Jerusalem.

The best solution, if anyone would consider it, would be to make the whole of the old city an international zone governed equally by the three religions who have claims there. Kind-of like a Troika Vatican.


4 posted on 01/28/2009 8:42:20 AM PST by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: Filo

Wasn’t that Tom Clancy’s - Jack Ryan’s idea?


5 posted on 01/28/2009 8:44:42 AM PST by MarkeyD (11-4-08 For the first time I can say I am ashamed of my country.)
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To: Filo

“The best solution, if anyone would consider it, would be to make the whole of the old city an international zone governed equally by the three religions who have claims there.”

So that means the Jewish people can build their Temple on the Temple Mount? You are so naive.


6 posted on 01/28/2009 8:45:00 AM PST by gscc
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To: Filo

It is a horrible idea. Kinda like putting the UN in charge of enforcing human rights.


7 posted on 01/28/2009 8:45:13 AM PST by chesley (A pox on both their houses. I've voted for my last RINO.)
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To: Filo

Are you a U.N. troll?


8 posted on 01/28/2009 8:45:16 AM PST by 444Flyer (Don't beLIEve Obama...........................................................Repent Herod!)
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To: Filo

You’re absolutely right. The thing we would need at least would be another crusade. So turn that cairn into a international site under control of the UN.


9 posted on 01/28/2009 8:45:42 AM PST by buzzer
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To: Filo
That wouldn't be unprecedented. Heck -- Israel's legal status as an independent state is directly tied to a 1947 resolution in the U.N. General Assembly. It's kind of hard to pretend that "international law" has no place in this kind of matter in 2009.

Having said that, I'm not sure what exactly this would accomplish in the long run. Such a move to "internationalize" Jerusalem would basically give it the same legal status as Antarctica and outer space.

10 posted on 01/28/2009 8:48:44 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: Filo

“The best solution, if anyone would consider it, would be to make the whole of the old city an international zone governed equally by the three religions who have claims there. Kind-of like a Troika Vatican.”

Uh huh...

And when the muzzies start killing everyone in site and take it over, who will stop them since it will be monitored by the UN?


11 posted on 01/28/2009 8:52:23 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("Control the information, you control the people.")
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To: Filo
The best solution, if anyone would consider it, would be to make the whole of the old city an international zone governed equally by the three religions who have claims there. Kind-of like a Troika Vatican.

That is far from being a new idea. It has been rejected countless times by both sides.

12 posted on 01/28/2009 8:54:22 AM PST by kabar
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To: Alberta's Child
>give it the same legal status as Antarctica and outer space

Hmmm. Both locations
where post-World War Two Nazis
have built their strongholds . . .

13 posted on 01/28/2009 8:54:56 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: Alberta's Child

But the declaration does not include the temple mount and east Jerusalem. Ever heard of the 67’ green line ?


14 posted on 01/28/2009 8:55:32 AM PST by buzzer
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To: Filo

Never work. When first suggested in 1948 Israel accepted the concept, the Arabs refused as they have since. As it stands right now, each of the religions largely control their own Holy sites, that’s no change. However international control would mean a governing presence. Israel isn’t going to abandon hundreds of thousands of Jews to the world community. Or to abandon land which has been part of Israel since 1948. It’s a non starter, and only a fool (BHO not you) with no knowledge of the region or issues would suggest it. I admit, it sounds simple.


15 posted on 01/28/2009 8:57:03 AM PST by SJackson (The American people are wise in wanting change, 2 terms is plenty, Condi Rice)
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To: buzzer

Actually, there were a lot of things left completely unresolved after 1947. My point was that — for better or worse — there is a long-standing precedent for extensive international involvement in what is now Israel.


16 posted on 01/28/2009 8:58:07 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
“...And when the muzzies start killing everyone in site and take over, who will stop them since it will be monitored by the UN?”

But...but... according to 0bama they're misunderstood. Stupid American ;).

17 posted on 01/28/2009 8:58:56 AM PST by 444Flyer (Don't beLIEve Obama...........................................................Repent Herod!)
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To: Filo

UK position on Jerusalem

The UK position on Jerusalem – a key issue in the Israeli / Palestinian Peace Process and an important concern to Muslims, Christians and Jews around the world.

Jerusalem was supposed to be a ‘corpus separatum’, or international city administered by the UN. But this was never set up: immediately after the UNGA resolution partitioning Palestine, Israel occupied West Jerusalem and Jordan occupied East Jerusalem (including the Old City). We recognised the de facto control of Israel and Jordan, but not sovereignty. In 1967, Israel occupied East Jerusalem, which we continue to consider is under illegal military occupation by Israel. Our Embassy to Israel is in Tel Aviv, not Jerusalem. In East Jerusalem we have a Consulate General, with a Consul General who is not accredited to any state: this is an expression of our view that no state has sovereignty over Jerusalem

The UK position was formally expressed in April 1950, when HMG extended simultaneous de jure recognition to both Jordan and Israel. However, the statement withheld recognition of the sovereignty of either Jordan or Israel over the sectors of the city which each then held within the area of the corpus separatum as stipulated in UN General Assembly Resolution 303 (IV) of 1949. In the British view, no such recognition was possible before a final determination of the status of this area, although HMG did recognise that both Jordan and Israel exercised ‘de facto authority’ over those parts of the city and area which each held.

In the 1967 war, Israel occupied the whole city, taking possession of the Jordanian (East) sector to add to West Jerusalem, which it already held. The Israeli government immediately extended its civil law to the whole city, simultaneously greatly enlarging the municipal boundaries into the West Bank. This purported annexation of East Jerusalem was reaffirmed in 1980 when Israel enacted its ‘Jerusalem Law’ formally declaring East and West Jerusalem together, ‘whole and united’ to be ‘the capital of Israel’.

The UK rejects these Israeli measures to change the status of Jerusalem. The UN Security Council unanimously adopted Resolution 478 of 1980 in response to the Israeli annexation, declaring it to be a violation of international law; the British Government has reiterated and amplified this position many times since.

HMG’s formal position is based on the 1950 statement: it recognises that Israel exercises de facto authority in West Jerusalem and , from 1950 to 1967, recognised that Jordan exercised de facto authority in East Jerusalem. Since the war of 1967, HMG has regarded Israel as being in military occupation of East Jerusalem, and in this connection subject to the rules of law applicable to such an occupation, in particular the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949. HMG also holds that the provisions of Security Council Resolution 242 on the withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the 1967 war applies to East Jerusalem. The Venice Declaration and subsequent statements (both by the UK alone and with EU partners) have made clear that no unilateral attempts to change the status of Jerusalem are valid.

The UK believes that the city’s status has yet to be determined, and maintains that it should be settled in an overall agreement between the parties concerned, but considers that the city should not again be divided. The Declaration of Principles and the Interim Agreement, signed by Israel and the PLO on 13 September 1993 and 28 September 1995 respectively, left the issue of the status of Jerusalem to be decided in the ‘permanent status’ negotiations between the two parties.


18 posted on 01/28/2009 8:59:59 AM PST by kabar
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To: SJackson

No, Obama will help his muslim brothers destroy Israel.


19 posted on 01/28/2009 9:02:22 AM PST by MissEdie
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To: SJackson
I think I read a book about this somewhere Μολὼν λάβε
20 posted on 01/28/2009 9:02:43 AM PST by wastoute (translation of tag "Come and get them (bastards)")
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To: Alberta's Child

You’re right, a lot of things really weren’t solved after 1947, but the current status of east Jerusalem will remain a tinderbox.


21 posted on 01/28/2009 9:03:19 AM PST by buzzer
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To: 444Flyer
Are you a U.N. troll?

Read what I wrote and tell me where I mentioned the UN at all.
22 posted on 01/28/2009 9:04:12 AM PST by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: Filo; SJackson; ExTexasRedhead; ml/nj; LucyT
The best solution, if anyone would consider it, would be to make the whole of the old city an international zone governed equally by the three religions who have claims there.

There is only one of the three religions to whom Jerusalem was and is the recognized capital. Jerusalem is the unquestioned capital of the state of Israel. Israel has been administering the whole city in a fair and just manner since 1967. It would be preposterous for Mitchell, the Arab ethnic, to push a plan by which Israeli sovereignty over all of Jerusalem is compromised. As Netanayu said, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

23 posted on 01/28/2009 9:04:49 AM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: SJackson
(IsraelNN.com) Likud party chairman and Knesset Opposition leader MK Binyamin Netanyahu warned at the Jerusalem Conference Wednesday that the Obama administration and leftist Israeli politicians will try to internationalize holy sites in Jerusalem -- and he vowed to fight the move.

Internationalization will always work for Muzzies. Just look how they control the UN via bribery plus the many Muzz nations that exist and vote

24 posted on 01/28/2009 9:05:13 AM PST by dennisw (Meshuggah Muhammad put the following words in the mouth of his sock puppet deity...................)
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To: MarkeyD
Wasn’t that Tom Clancy’s - Jack Ryan’s idea?

Beats me. I don't read that stuff. . . ;)
25 posted on 01/28/2009 9:05:37 AM PST by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: kabar
That is far from being a new idea. It has been rejected countless times by both sides.

I know. That's why I wrote "if anyone would consider it."

Shortsighted, IMO, but predictable.
26 posted on 01/28/2009 9:07:17 AM PST by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: Filo
....that’s some of the best news I’ve heard yet

Would it be Washington, D.C. instead of Jerusalem, I dare say you wouldn't embrace this idea so easily. Put Israel's shoes on your feet and walk around in them.

27 posted on 01/28/2009 9:07:51 AM PST by OB1kNOb (I for one do not welcome our new Marxist Overlord Administration.)
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To: kabar
The UK position on Jerusalem

Don't take this the wrong way, but: F the UK.

It was their ineptitude that caused most of this grief in the first place and, as suck, their opinion means exactly dick to me.
28 posted on 01/28/2009 9:08:50 AM PST by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: Filo
Filo. That's like saying that Saint Patrick's Cathedral in New York should be internationalized. I think not.

The temple was originally built by and a sacred site of the Jews; not Muslims. They took it over and claimed Mohammad ascended into the heavens there. Just be cause they say so, doesn't mean it trumps the original sacredness established by the Jews.

29 posted on 01/28/2009 9:09:58 AM PST by Integrityrocks
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To: Filo
“Read what I wrote and tell me where I mentioned the UN at all.”

Who do you suppose would have to play babysitter in your proposal?

30 posted on 01/28/2009 9:10:23 AM PST by 444Flyer (Don't beLIEve Obama...........................................................Repent Herod!)
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To: OB1kNOb
Would it be Washington, D.C. instead of Jerusalem, I dare say you wouldn't embrace this idea so easily. Put Israel's shoes on your feet and walk around in them.

They can have DC too.

Note that I didn't say that Jerusalem or this entity would govern Israel - just the holy city (the old city of Jerusalem.)

If they take the imbeciles in Washington off our hands I'd consider that a bonus.
31 posted on 01/28/2009 9:11:42 AM PST by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: Filo

Yeah, right after Makkah & Madinah are made international zones.


32 posted on 01/28/2009 9:11:48 AM PST by forkinsocket
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To: kabar

Screw the UK who ran “Palestine” before the Jews drove them out. England’s leaders have all kinds of Arabs to keep happy including its huge internal Muslim problem..... Same internal populations of restive Muslims that have been conducting raucous demonstrations all over Europe for their Gaza brothers

Muslims believe they have a right to live in Europe and anywhere on Earth. As part of Allah’s plan they make Jihad until every nation is a Muslim nation

But Jews are not allowed to live in the Middle East in peace. Give Muslims the West Bank and it will bring more rockets and missiles for Israel


33 posted on 01/28/2009 9:12:27 AM PST by dennisw (Meshuggah Muhammad put the following words in the mouth of his sock puppet deity...................)
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To: 444Flyer
Who do you suppose would have to play babysitter in your proposal?

Who says their needs to be a babysitter?

Who baby sits for the Vatican?
34 posted on 01/28/2009 9:12:45 AM PST by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: Integrityrocks
Filo. That's like saying that Saint Patrick's Cathedral in New York should be internationalized. I think not.

And how many religions lay claim to St. Patrick's?
35 posted on 01/28/2009 9:14:30 AM PST by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: forkinsocket
Yeah, right after Makkah & Madinah are made international zones.

And how many religions lay claim to Mecca and Medina?
36 posted on 01/28/2009 9:15:06 AM PST by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: SJackson; ExTexasRedhead; SunkenCiv; LucyT; ml/nj; Zionist Conspirator; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Not merely political posturing by Netanyahu. Obama himself talked about making political alliances with Israeli leftists - who, of course, work hand in hand in hand with the J Street types of American Jews to whom O is ultimately pandering. Netanyahu is legitimately trying to head off the Israeli left at a critical time, with Iran close to nuclear weapon capabilities. If he’s not the next Israeli PM, Israel will be in deeper trouble than ever in its entire history.


37 posted on 01/28/2009 9:18:24 AM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: SJackson

netanyahu’s correct.


38 posted on 01/28/2009 9:21:41 AM PST by ken21 (the only thing we have to fear is fdr deja vu.)
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To: Filo
We wouldn't want something like New York City to be “internationalized?” Such an idea would be disaster to Israel. There would be no controlling authority to secure the city from terrorists and outside influence. One day we would wake up and, Poof! No Jerusalem.
39 posted on 01/28/2009 9:22:44 AM PST by jonrick46
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To: SJackson

I’m beginning to wonder if BHO is indeed the Anti-Christ?


40 posted on 01/28/2009 9:23:30 AM PST by tflabo
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There is something very “biblical” about this. Somewhere in a prophecy—either a Joel Rosenberg book, or something like it.

Not a good message either. As we used to say, “bad bongos.”


41 posted on 01/28/2009 9:24:51 AM PST by Vermont Lt (Ein Volk, Ein Riech, Ein Ein.)
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To: Filo
First off. I make no bones about it. All of Jerusalem belongs to to Jewish people and must not be divided up like a pie. End of story.

And anytime you have radical jihadists that want to run a people into the sea, there has to be a babysitter. Opening the door to an “international zone” will not give the radical Muslims what they want and their goal>> All of Israel. Some type of a green zone imaginary boundary line will not stop them from attempting to get what they want.

42 posted on 01/28/2009 9:28:50 AM PST by 444Flyer (Don't beLIEve Obama...........................................................Repent Herod!)
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To: SJackson
Holy Basin? This is pure politically correct leftist garbage!!!!!!!!!!!!
43 posted on 01/28/2009 9:30:17 AM PST by RetiredArmy (Oscuma is a Chicago gangland punk, street thug. Simple as that.)
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To: Vermont Lt

Try Joel Chapter 3.


44 posted on 01/28/2009 9:32:16 AM PST by 444Flyer (Don't beLIEve Obama...........................................................Repent Herod!)
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To: SJackson

“Netanyahu: Obama Will Try to Internationalize Jerusalem Sites”

Ummm..., the U.N. has been saying Jerusalem is an “International City” forever... And what on earth is an International City anyway? I don’t know of one that exists anywhere...


45 posted on 01/28/2009 9:32:21 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: OB1kNOb

“Would it be Washington, D.C. instead of Jerusalem, I dare say you wouldn’t embrace this idea so easily.”
Yes ! DC belongs to Maryland only ! Let’s kick the virginians out of our capital. :-)


46 posted on 01/28/2009 9:37:08 AM PST by buzzer
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To: Filo

Jerusalem is the City of David. It belongs to the Jews who are wonderful stewards and caretakers of their guests’ religious shrines unlike the palestinian muslims who defiled and desecrated The Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem, the oldest Church in the Holy Land. Bibi, drive the muslim terrorists from all of the Holy Land given Abram by God for as far as the eye could see. God’s plan was through Abraham’s seed Isaac, not Ishmael. Zero, stay out of this.


47 posted on 01/28/2009 9:37:23 AM PST by yorkie01
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To: jonrick46

“We wouldn’t want something like New York City to be “internationalized?””

At leas the few acres the UN building resides are “international”. Did we ever since heard of turmoil between the people from “Roosevelt Island” and “Murray Hill” ?


48 posted on 01/28/2009 9:43:25 AM PST by buzzer
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To: RetiredArmy

Translation: collectivise as a baby step to UN global governance.


49 posted on 01/28/2009 9:46:05 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: yorkie01

“God’s plan was through Abraham’s seed Isaac, not Ishmael.”

Did god tell you this today ? Maybe he meanwhile decided to go with plan b. But only god knows.


50 posted on 01/28/2009 9:46:25 AM PST by buzzer
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