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Seized gun poses puzzle
winnepeg sun ^ | 13 January, 2009 | CHRIS KITCHING

Posted on 02/01/2009 7:21:00 AM PST by marktwain

A submachine-gun seized during a gang house raid in Winnipeg's North End last week is unlike anything a police firearms expert has seen locally before.

What makes the gun so unique -- and troubling, police say -- is the way it was cobbled together.

"It looks like a hybrid or amalgam of gun parts," said police Det. Const. Rob Duttchen, a member of the National Weapons Enforcement Support Team.

SHOTGUNS STOLEN

Possibly homemade, the submachine-gun and five sawed-off shotguns, along with ammunition, were seized at a house in the 400-block of Manitoba Avenue on Jan. 7, police said.

Three males, aged 17, 27 and 28, are facing almost 120 charges.

Two of the shotguns were stolen during a break-and-enter in the District 6 area, Duttchen said.

The submachine-gun was loaded when it was found, said police spokesman Const. Jason Michalyshen.

It has parts consistent with those of a Second World War-era Sten and M-16 assault rifle, said Duttchen.

A certain level of expertise and knowledge would be required to make such a gun, he said.

Duttchen said the gun will be sent to a lab in Ottawa for examination as part of an investigation into its origin.

Police showed the firearms to reporters yesterday, along with an assortment of drugs and a 9-mm handgun seized during a separate bust Saturday afternoon in the 800-block of McCalman Avenue.

"We've got a significant amount of firepower here," Michalyshen said.

HOLLOWED-OUT BOOKS

The handgun was loaded at the time of the bust, he said.

Two of the more unusual items were hollowed-out books used to hide about $9,000 in cash, police said.

Officers also seized 31.5 ounces of cocaine, 17 ounces of marijuana, eight Percocet tablets, two grams of hashish oil and 3.2 ounces of the cutting agent benzocaine.

Police said the drugs allegedly belonged to a mid-level dealer.

Police said Marc William McIntosh, 29, is facing several drug- and weapon-related charges. He is in custody.


TOPICS: Canada; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; canada; gun; homemade
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To: marktwain; Tarpon

Where I live people think I’m some kind of NASCAR mechanic because I can change an alternator.


41 posted on 02/01/2009 8:25:09 AM PST by Hardastarboard (The Fairness Doctrine isn't about "Fairness" - it's about Doctrine.)
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To: marktwain

This thread is as interesting as the story.


42 posted on 02/01/2009 8:25:16 AM PST by Nephi (Like the failed promise of Fascism, masquerading as Capitalism? You're gonna love Marxism.)
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To: George Smiley
I always like the stories of where cops find double barreled full auto's myself.
43 posted on 02/01/2009 8:25:40 AM PST by org.whodat (Conservatives don't vote for Bailouts for Super-Rich Bankers! Republicans do!)
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To: Emmett McCarthy

“Many are so hopelessly stupid”

Call me a stickler, but I do like to make the distinction between stupidity and ignorance. Ignorance can be cured.


44 posted on 02/01/2009 8:26:45 AM PST by marktwain
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To: org.whodat
Fully automatic weapons are much easier to make than semi-autos like the AR-15.

The bolt and firing pin are part of the bolt. Once the bolt returns against the chamber and cartridge, it punches the primer and detonates the round. The trigger merely holds the pin back without a complicated sear assembly.

This type of weapon is likely recoil operated, since gas operated requires a lug lock of some kind and tripping mechanism. All a recoil operated type requires, is a heavy bolt assy. and a strong spring to control barrel recoil.

This is an extremely simple and functional design. (accuracy excluded of course.)

45 posted on 02/01/2009 8:28:42 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (WHAT? Where did my tag line go? (ACORN))
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To: Nephi
Yes, this is an interesting thread. I've made a few homemade guns myself, quite legally, and it is not hard to do.

As I can earn enough in the couple of hours it takes to make one to buy a much nicer modern one (isn't the economic division of labor marvelous) I mostly buy ready-made.

46 posted on 02/01/2009 8:29:43 AM PST by marktwain
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To: buwaya

There were many variants of the weapon, they all functioned on the same principle of open bolt. There were hundreds of thousand of them in US and Canadian training camps in Canada, I’m sure some got lost, and no one searched duffel bags back in WWII war trophies were legal.


47 posted on 02/01/2009 8:30:03 AM PST by org.whodat (Conservatives don't vote for Bailouts for Super-Rich Bankers! Republicans do!)
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To: George Smiley
Yeah it's weird how these third worlders can do it but somehow Americans couldn't. It's funny that so many believe it. Simple gunsmith skills comes with owning a gun.

So of the best knives(Buck) and swords used to be made from leaf springs, quick, someone tell the English.

48 posted on 02/01/2009 8:33:25 AM PST by Tarpon (America's first principles, freedom, liberty, market economy and self-reliance will never fail.)
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To: buwaya
“No, its not. It is only a passing resemblance. The details are quite different.”

You are correct. Even if it uses some cobbled together WWII greasegun parts, that does not make it a WWII greasegun.
49 posted on 02/01/2009 8:33:55 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Do homemade guns circumvent any firearms laws?


50 posted on 02/01/2009 8:35:20 AM PST by Nephi (Like the failed promise of Fascism, masquerading as Capitalism? You're gonna love Marxism.)
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To: Hardastarboard

That’s funny, I draw a crowd every time I fire up the air compressor and impact wrenches to rotate tires. I have started using the hand held battery impact wrenches, so I can now sneak it through with out too many people coming over.

When I get out the torque wrench to torque the lug nuts I always get a ‘gee why do you do that’ ... Well ya Know ...

I still like the air tools for brute force speed though. The air driven hammer makes a great tile remover, and is always a crowd pleaser. Makes quick holes in concrete as well.


51 posted on 02/01/2009 8:39:22 AM PST by Tarpon (America's first principles, freedom, liberty, market economy and self-reliance will never fail.)
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To: Nephi
“Do homemade guns circumvent any firearms laws?”

Sure. Most of them. The 9th Circuit even ruled that if you make your own machine-gun, the Federal laws do not apply because it is not interstate commerce. Unfortunately, I believe that BATF hard lobbied most states to copy the federal legislation. That was probably not legal, but when did the BATF worry overmuch about legality?

52 posted on 02/01/2009 8:43:50 AM PST by marktwain
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To: George Smiley

“There are villages on the Pakistani-Afghan border where you can drop off any sort of modern weapon and come back in two weeks and pick up a functioning copy of same.”

Here’s the video:

http://www.vbs.tv/full_screen.php?s=DGFE2305DC&sc=1363196


53 posted on 02/01/2009 8:45:06 AM PST by shove_it (and have a nice day)
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To: Nephi

I might add that circumventing laws is not illegal.


54 posted on 02/01/2009 8:45:33 AM PST by marktwain
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To: dirtbiker

Additional rules to plumbing.

4. Keep your fingers out of your mouth.
5. Payday is Friday.
6. Rules 1 and 2 assume competence from the previous plumber. Not a safe assumption.


55 posted on 02/01/2009 8:46:43 AM PST by Dinsdale
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
True, I made a semi auto Cobray once, out of a parts kit, just to see if I could do it. it took hours and hours and hours of work. After I finished, other than for the education experience, I wished I had just bought one.
56 posted on 02/01/2009 8:53:14 AM PST by org.whodat (Conservatives don't vote for Bailouts for Super-Rich Bankers! Republicans do!)
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A certain level of expertise and knowledge would be required to make such a gun, he said.

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Well now THAT is profound. Go have a donut now.


57 posted on 02/01/2009 8:54:19 AM PST by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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To: Dinsdale
6. Rules 1 and 2 assume competence from the previous plumber. Not a safe assumption.

That was one of the first things I had to fix in my wife's house.

Her ex must have been dyslexic....

7. Use PVC glue in well ventilated areas (preferably outdoors)....

58 posted on 02/01/2009 8:55:55 AM PST by dirtbiker (Obama is America's first Affirmative Action president....)
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To: Nephi
Do homemade guns circumvent any firearms laws?

No, as long as you keep shotgun barrels to proper length, and stay away from full auto's. You could build and register full autos for a long time but that was halted some time in the 80's(I think that was the time period).

59 posted on 02/01/2009 8:58:45 AM PST by org.whodat (Conservatives don't vote for Bailouts for Super-Rich Bankers! Republicans do!)
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To: org.whodat
That is not a home made, it is a WWII 45, cal grease gun.

I don't think so... First off, the end cap that secures the barrel is all wrong. As is the metal between the mag well and the trigger guard. We'd know with 100% certainty if it were laying on the other side. Plus, it's not a Sten either. Stens were side feed.

Mark

60 posted on 02/01/2009 9:03:49 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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