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Who Killed JFK?
The Andrea Shea King Show ^ | Feb. 4, 2009 | Andrea Shea King

Posted on 02/04/2009 11:49:12 AM PST by patriotgal1787

Do you believe that the November 22, 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy was the result of shots fired by a lone assassin from the 6th floor of the Texas School Book Depository?

Or are you one of many who believe it was a conspiracy that involved the highest levels of our government?

The case is not closed regarding what actually happened on that fateful day.

The late President Gerald R. Ford, the last surviving member of the commission admitted that the CIA destroyed pertinent documents, covering up the investigation of the assassination, in a recently published book.

Tim Miller, the book publisher who helped author the text, believes there was a conspiracy and that Ford knew even more than he told his publisher and the world. Ford shares many other breath-taking admissions with the reader in this, his final book, written three years prior to his own death.

What did Ford say about the "single bullet theory," the Zapruder film, and Oliver Stone’s movie, JFK?

"Who killed John F. Kennedy?"

Tim Miller joins us to discuss tonight at 9 p.m. ET -- link to the show here.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: assassination; conspiracynuts; geraldford; jfkassassination; kennedy; presidents; warrenreport
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To: Born In America

the “jet effect” research will show you a different slant.


151 posted on 02/04/2009 1:45:35 PM PST by bobby.223
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To: patriotgal1787

“LBJ”=Lady Bird Johnson, she was a devious one.


152 posted on 02/04/2009 1:53:45 PM PST by A Strict Constructionist (Hitler advocated the nationalization of education, health care, transportation...)
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To: Unlikely Hero

I never remember the stuff I steal. At least that’s what I tell my lawyer.

I still think past Kennedy shooting future Kennedy is less ripe for paradox. People don’t go vanishing from reality outside of mo


153 posted on 02/04/2009 1:55:16 PM PST by Rinnwald (Vigilance, not paranoia)
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To: patriotgal1787

I still think Jackie hired it done.


154 posted on 02/04/2009 1:55:59 PM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: NoKoolAidforMe
Yep LBJ had it done. He was a slimy b@$tard and he benefited from it.
155 posted on 02/04/2009 1:58:42 PM PST by Ditter
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To: patriotgal1787

I dont know who did, but it wasnt oswald alone, and I DO believe that dim-0s know who did it.


156 posted on 02/04/2009 2:11:39 PM PST by weezel
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To: mlo
Obama’s mother did it, because JFK knew that little Barrack was really born in Kenya.

No no, you've got it all wrong!

It was Nation of Islam who did it, because JFK knew that Barack's real father was Malcolm X!

Please, get your facts straight before you post.


157 posted on 02/04/2009 2:16:29 PM PST by Michael Michael
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To: Hildy

I agree with your dad, Oswald was the lone assassin and there was no conspiracy. Oswald was too much of a loner. Over the years I’ve read many books and articles about the assassination. It’s an interesting pattern that those who really knew LHO have no doubt that he killed Kennedy and that he acted alone.


158 posted on 02/04/2009 2:17:35 PM PST by nicksaunt
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To: patriotgal1787
Just food for thought. You have to ask yourself why Jack Ruby, a man with mob connections, who is now being portrayed by some to be a nice, patriotic guy but really wasn't, decided to kill Oswald, especially when Ruby knew he(Ruby)had cancer and was dying and would never suffer a penalty for his actions.

You also have to ask yourself, if you are aware it happened, many don't, why Vice-President Johnson's car broke down and didn't make the final turn in front of the book depository, but started a few minutes after the shooting went down.

These are all questions that have very rarely been asked and never answered and actually covered up for the most part.

159 posted on 02/04/2009 2:31:24 PM PST by calex59
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To: evets

Doesn’t work to blame him. Been there, done that.


160 posted on 02/04/2009 2:43:39 PM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
I agree with your statement about Johnson. I forget the exact wording in his autobiography, but he stated that the country needed to heal and that he specifically wanted the Commission to quickly reach a conclusion and put the country's mind at rest. It's been years since I read that book, but I remember thinking at the time, "He doesn't mention finding the truth."

I am not saying that LBJ took part in a conspiracy, but at the best, he didn't really give a flip who killed Kennedy. There are other possibilities, including the fact that if a conspiracy traced back to Castro, that would lead directly to Russia, and war.

That said, the big flag to me is Ruby making the equivalent of a suicide hit on Oswald. Why would a Jewish mob guy that runs a strip club do this? I mean he HAD to believe he would die that day. Would you expect to shoot someone in front of a room full of armed Dallas cops (with the attitude they had in 1963) and not get shot down?

All this aside, I think other people were involved. No clue as to who, where, how, why, but Dan Rather believes Oswald acted alone, and that's enough to convince me there was a conspiracy.

In actuality, we'll never know what actually happened. Too much was covered up then, too many false leads planted, too many bozos doing the investigation, too many amateur sleuths tracking through the information.

161 posted on 02/04/2009 3:02:06 PM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Valpal1
RE: "A meth addict trying to make a few bucks trading on his father’s name is not something. It’s nothing."

You're referring to E. Howard Hunt's son?

If so then it may be but I wonder how the son faked his Dad's writing and his Dad's voice on the tape recording? .. or did his Dad agree to make it all up to help his son buy the meth?

A valid question is, did E. Howard Hunt make it all up? Period.

162 posted on 02/04/2009 3:04:07 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
"There’s a book I read called the “JFK Assasination tapes” which are just transcripts of tapes from LBJ’s oval office pertaining to the aftermath of the assasination."

By Max Holland. Good book. I know the author. He's coming out with another on the Warren Commission itself.

"Having read this book I am sure of one thing - which is that LBJ wanted the Warren Commission to be a blue ribbon rubber stamp of the lone nut theory."

You have to keep in mind that the case was pretty conclusively solved within days of it happening. By the time LBJ formed the Warren Commission it was already clear that Oswald did the shooting. He wasn't as focused on solving the case because it was already solved. What he wanted to do was avoid the circus of having multiple investigations and congressional hearing all going on over the same case. That was his state of mind.

The Commission was tasked with finding the truth, including any conspiracy that might have happened.

163 posted on 02/04/2009 3:09:34 PM PST by mlo
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
Taque’s book was interesting, not to mention that Oswald can not ‘physically’ be placed in the crime scene, some of the earliest basic evidence provided by people in the depository and the motorcycle policeman show that.

There are a number of books from witnesses, Jean Hill (The Last Dissenting Witness) who ran to the knoll looking for a shooter (She was interviewed live on NBC that day reporting a shot from there.

The Parkland doctor wrote a book I think called ‘Conspiracy of Silence’.

And many more...

***Reading Jim Tague’s book convinced me that there was more than one gunman.***

164 posted on 02/04/2009 3:16:48 PM PST by msnpatriot
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To: Concho
This program?

Answered it for me. Oswald. Alone. From the 6th floor of the TSBD.

165 posted on 02/04/2009 3:21:51 PM PST by Pistolshot ("Democrats don't show respect, they just demand respect " - ClearCase_guy)
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To: patriotgal1787

Oswald killed him.


166 posted on 02/04/2009 3:24:55 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Dissent Is Patriotic!)
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To: Born In America
No way one man could squeeze off three shots with an antiquated manual rifle.

Except for the fact that it has been demonstrated that it could be done using the same Carcano bolt action rifle.

The head shot that killed Kennedy as shown in the Zapruder film, came from in front to his right.

You might want to explain why the entry hole is in the back of JFK's skull and the exit is in the right side of the skull.

167 posted on 02/04/2009 3:25:30 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: msnpatriot
"Taque’s book was interesting, not to mention that Oswald can not ‘physically’ be placed in the crime scene, some of the earliest basic evidence provided by people in the depository and the motorcycle policeman show that."

Who says Oswald can't be placed in the crime scene? Oswald worked there. He was seen there. He admitted being there.

168 posted on 02/04/2009 3:28:58 PM PST by mlo
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To: B-Chan
Not consistent with film evidence.

BS

169 posted on 02/04/2009 3:28:59 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: JoeA
the FBI could not do it.

Irrelevant. Most of the FBI couldn't find their a$$ with both hands if you spotted them nine fingers.

170 posted on 02/04/2009 3:31:47 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: msnpatriot

I believe Jean Hill damaged her credibility over the years by changing her story a few times. I think she was a bit on the strange side.

What I respect about Jim Tague is that he avoided media attention over the years. He didn’t release his book until 2005, I believe.


171 posted on 02/04/2009 3:31:51 PM PST by se_ohio_young_conservative ("A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not why the ship is built" Sarah Palin)
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To: yarddog
He barely qualified

Oswald fired for score on several occasions so you'll have to be specific.

and I think they gave him the designation of marksman or maybe sharpshooter,

There's a difference betwen qualifying as Sharpshooter as opposed to Marksman in the Marine Corps but one can qualify as a Sharpshooter by one point and one can miss qualifying as a Sharpshooter by one point. Again you'll have to be specific. Most people could not qualify as either let alone as Expert.

172 posted on 02/04/2009 3:41:35 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: patriotgal1787
As a follow up to my earlier post, here are some pictures of Dealey Plaza that I took in 2007:

Here is a view of the grassy knoll from across the street from Zapruder's location. Note how compact the area is, yet somehow multiple riflemen were stationed in an area that is no more than 8-10 yards from where multiple people (including Zapruder) are standing. Also visible at the lower left of the picture is the infamous storm drain outlet along the curb. Anyone who could shoot upward from there and hit Kennedy and then pop out of the manhole and escape is a true Houdini.... :

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Here's the view from atop the wall where Zapruder was standing, looking parallel to Elm St., towards the fence on the grassy knoll. The President was traveling left to right on Elm St. where highway sign is located. You can see the overpass where the President's car sped towards, after the shooting. Distance from Zapruder to the corner of the stockade fence is about 30 feet. Note that the fence forms a right angle along the edge of the parking lot it encloses, and that Zapruder could actually see the BACKSIDE of the fence that runs parallel to Elm Street, and had someone been there with a rifle, he could have seen them. Had they been on his side of the fence, he would have been greatly startled by the report of a high-powered rifle:

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Here is the view from behind the stockade fence, looking down towards Elm St.. Note the high-deflection shot that a shooter would have to make to hit Kennedy:

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Still standing behind the fence on the grassy knoll, this is what is directly behind you, the rail yard control tower. Note distance to the tower is about six rows of parked cars, or about 60 yards:

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So, if you want to think there was more than one shooter inside the fishbowl that is Dealey Plaza, go ahead. Just make sure you visit the plaza for yourself and see how small it really is. In my mind, the issue is not how Oswald made the shot. I've qualified as a Master in NRA highpower rifle competition and having visited the plaza, I think the difficulties of the shot are not insumountable.

To me, the big question is: how did the parade route just happen to run right in front of Oswald's place of work, at a point where the motorcade slowed down to turn and where Oswald had unfettered access to a high building and an open window? The probability of LHO being able to make the shots is far greater than the probability that the parade route would be so conveniently placed. People seem to get hung up on the shot because most people can't shoot that well. I am more intrigued on who set the parade route right in front of Oswald. Coincidence? Maybe so, but the probability of the route being put there randomly is much less than the probability of LHO making the shot. A conspiracy hunt should start with who picked the parade route.....

173 posted on 02/04/2009 3:42:01 PM PST by Panzerfaust
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Actually I have read that the majority of Marines qualify expert.


174 posted on 02/04/2009 3:43:33 PM PST by yarddog
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To: Little Ray

You’re wrong. She bedded Onassis and a host of others proving she was guilty of, at the very least, poor judgment.


175 posted on 02/04/2009 3:43:56 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

“Lyndon Johnson did it.”

The last TWO SHOTS were fired a split second apart, BANG-BANG.

Z313 shot hit JFK in the head

Z325 (split second later) a shot from behind missed JFK’s head and hit Connally in the back, with that you KNOW that there were at least two shooters. Taking into account James Tague, you know there was more than 4 shots to account for all the wounds.

QUESTIONS? There is more evidence than shown in the YOUTUBE summary to PROVE BANG-BANG BUT trying to keep it simple for the sheeple. Lyndon Johnson? IT took some real horsepower to hide BANG-BANG from the front page of newspapers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8_kIDP4EQ0


176 posted on 02/04/2009 3:47:12 PM PST by BILL_C (ANSWER Palin is unqualified with SO IS OBAMA, but Gov.Palin is all American, and is NOT A MARXIST!)
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To: Panzerfaust
"I am more intrigued on who set the parade route right in front of Oswald. Coincidence? Maybe so, but the probability of the route being put there randomly is much less than the probability of LHO making the shot. A conspiracy hunt should start with who picked the parade route."

It was a crime of opportunity. It so happened that the President travelled by a building where Oswald worked, and he took advantage of that. Who knows how many assassinations did not happen because the opportunities weren't there.

As for who picked it, it was determined by the choice of location for the speech he was travelling to give. And that choice was mostly determined by the Governor. The problem that leaves is obvious. The Governor was hit and nearly killed in the same shooting.

177 posted on 02/04/2009 3:47:12 PM PST by mlo
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To: BILL_C

There was no shot fired after 313.


178 posted on 02/04/2009 3:48:07 PM PST by mlo
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To: mlo
Oswald was never seen in the 6th floor by anyone, he wasn't there. He was seen by witnesses in the building where he would not have been able to move from the 6th floor down to where he was found moments after.

In fact, the motorcylce policeman was urged to change his testimony for the WC (probably intimidated with a threat), I believe his first account, not the 2nd.

***Who says Oswald can't be placed in the crime scene? Oswald worked there. He was seen there. He admitted being there.***

“Taque’s book was interesting, not to mention that Oswald can not ‘physically’ be placed in the crime scene, some of the earliest basic evidence provided by people in the depository and the motorcycle policeman show that.”

179 posted on 02/04/2009 3:51:27 PM PST by msnpatriot
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To: smoothsailing
"Did Kennedy’s brain really disappear from the National Archives? What was that all about?"

No. All the biological material from the autopsy (slides, brain, etc.) was turned over to Bobby Kennedy's control. It is not known what he did with it, but he probably disposed of them or had them interred when the body was moved into the current grave.

180 posted on 02/04/2009 3:54:35 PM PST by mlo
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To: mlo
Interesting post. A friend of mine made the same observation with a twist. He said another angle for a conspiracy would be to have multiple shooters working in high buildings at various locations in the city, so that no matter where the parade route was eventually chosen to go, it would pass by one of half-a-dozen or so buildings that had snipers in them. In that way, no matter which sniper shot him, it would look like a "crime of opportunity" as you describe.

The debate will rage forever, I guess, but on the whole, I think I agree with you. The most likely explanation is that it was the right guy (or is that the wrong guy?) in the right place at the right time. For Kennedy, I think it was a case of "some days, things just don't go your way....."

181 posted on 02/04/2009 3:56:13 PM PST by Panzerfaust
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To: pnh102

“Someone would have squealed by now. “

Or some have? There was a guy (now dead i think) who worked for the cia who said he was one of the 3 tramps arrested on site. He said all tramps were cia backup for the operation, and gave names. Photo comparison of the extant tramps photo(s) and the names given (including himself) was interesting.


182 posted on 02/04/2009 3:57:49 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: msnpatriot
"Oswald was never seen in the 6th floor by anyone, he wasn't there. He was seen by witnesses in the building where he would not have been able to move from the 6th floor down to where he was found moments after."

Myth. He was able to get to the break room from the sixth floor in time. This has been demonstrated by recreations.

He was working on that floor. There finger and palm prints on the rifle and the boxes that place him there.

The policeman didn't change his story in any way that would make a material difference.

183 posted on 02/04/2009 4:00:39 PM PST by mlo
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To: WoofDog123
"There was a guy (now dead i think) who worked for the cia who said he was one of the 3 tramps arrested on site."

At some point in the 90s the original arrest records for those three tramps were found in the Dallas Police files. They were all identified and the living ones interviewed. They were just tramps.

184 posted on 02/04/2009 4:05:13 PM PST by mlo
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To: mlo

***Myth. He was able to get to the break room from the sixth floor in time. This has been demonstrated by recreations.***

How? The Elevator was disabled and witnesses didn’t see him use the stairway. What did he do? Jump on the floor and fall magically through a hole? Recreations can show anything you desire! I suppose if you believe the ‘Magic Bullet’ theory, you could believe the ‘Magic Hole’ theory too.

***He was working on that floor. There finger and palm prints on the rifle and the boxes that place him there.***

The finger prints were added later, false evidence reported by a witness in the morgue. Of course he was working there, that was his ‘Intel’ orders to stay put until his next assignment.

***The policeman didn’t change his story in any way that would make a material difference.”***

The change in the story made it more believable that Oswald could have rushed to where he was found.


185 posted on 02/04/2009 4:15:03 PM PST by msnpatriot
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To: Spunky

Ping!


186 posted on 02/04/2009 4:15:59 PM PST by Spunky ((You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences))
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

then compare the tramp photo with pics of his father. Obviously blurry images are one thing, but the shortest tramp has some familiar features.


187 posted on 02/04/2009 4:16:57 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: ArrogantBustard

No I did it. But it was an unseen time travel episode.

188 posted on 02/04/2009 4:45:19 PM PST by xp38
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To: patriotgal1787

LBJ had it done. “The most to gain...” and all that.


189 posted on 02/04/2009 4:46:13 PM PST by bannie
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To: patriotgal1787

Oswald killed JFK.

I’m convinced.

But who helped him or egged him on and why Ruby of all folks to kill Oswald.

Those are the big questions.


190 posted on 02/04/2009 4:46:36 PM PST by wardaddy (I'm for Sarah. Nuff said, you either get it or you don't. Enjoy Steele, he's no Palin.)
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To: pnh102; Travis McGee

I’m not sure about that.

Deep Throat at Watergate stayed quiet over 30 years with far less implications.

E Howard Hunt and Carlos Marcello and Santos Trafficante and Cuban 2506 Brigade type mercs never seem the type to me who would rat or needed to vent to get stuff off their chest.

Kennedy ...like someone else who comes to mind....made a lot of enemies quick.


191 posted on 02/04/2009 4:49:13 PM PST by wardaddy (I'm for Sarah. Nuff said, you either get it or you don't. Enjoy Steele, he's no Palin.)
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To: Nabber
"I would have cheated on her, too...."

Why?

192 posted on 02/04/2009 4:51:34 PM PST by Mila
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To: Panzerfaust

Parade route planning? Gen. Chas Cabell’s brother.


193 posted on 02/04/2009 4:52:41 PM PST by THIRDWAVEDAVE
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To: mlo

No shot after Z313?

Bet me $100,000, get a lawyer, draw up a contract.

You’ll find out it was the biggest con job in history. And you’ll loose whatever you bet.


194 posted on 02/04/2009 4:54:10 PM PST by BILL_C (ANSWER Palin is unqualified with SO IS OBAMA, but Gov.Palin is all American, and is NOT A MARXIST!)
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To: msnpatriot
"How? The Elevator was disabled and witnesses didn’t see him use the stairway."

Witnesses not seeing him doesn't mean he didn't use the stairway.

"The finger prints were added later, false evidence reported by a witness in the morgue. Of course he was working there, that was his ‘Intel’ orders to stay put until his next assignment."

There is no evidence fingerprints were added later. You admit he was working there. The issue was you said he couldn't be placed there. Now you are throwing out other things. There's no evidence he had any "Intel orders" to do anything. Just because people can dream these things up doesn't mean they happened.

"The change in the story made it more believable that Oswald could have rushed to where he was found."

No.

195 posted on 02/04/2009 5:01:23 PM PST by mlo
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To: patriotgal1787

Is he REALLy dead????


196 posted on 02/04/2009 5:02:39 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience)
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To: BILL_C

Don’t need a bet. If you’ve got proof, show it right here.


197 posted on 02/04/2009 5:02:43 PM PST by mlo
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To: Hildy
Your father makes a lot of sense and easy to believe. I would suggest an opposite theory.

Not so many people knew of the conspiracy. Several people introduced different theories mucking up the picture.

Most people got tired of multiple theories and don't care anymore.

Some witnesses died early on

Many are gone now 45 years later.

Easy to go back to basics and simple story (foccault's razor?).

198 posted on 02/04/2009 5:04:07 PM PST by nufsed
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To: 50sDad

You forgot Aristotle Onassis’ relationship with Jackie Kennedy Onassis and Aristotle Onassis’ direct and secret lineage to the philosopher who taught kings and philosophy. Doesn’t that fit in somewhere?


199 posted on 02/04/2009 5:14:08 PM PST by Sawdring
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To: Rinnwald

Some Left-Wingers think Che Guevara was indisputably the Lost Dauphin, although G. Gordon Liddy (and Elvis Presley) have partisans.

BTW, isn’t “tippit” a kayaking term? (O I get it ... a code!)


200 posted on 02/04/2009 5:19:30 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (Obama campaigned in Kenya for Jihadist Church-Burner Odinga. Didn't McCain know?)
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