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Doctor loses license after botched abortion
Pantagraph ^ | Christine Armario

Posted on 02/06/2009 11:38:26 PM PST by malkee

TAMPA, Fla. -- The Board of Medicine revoked the license of a Florida doctor on Friday accused of medical malpractice in a botched abortion in which a live baby was delivered, but ended up dead in a cardboard box.

The board found Dr. Pierre Jean-Jacque Renelique in violation of Florida statutes by committing medical malpractice, delegating responsibility to unlicensed personnel, and failing to keep an accurate medical record.

Renelique and his attorney declined to comment after the hearing.

The Department of Health said Renelique was scheduled to perform an abortion on a teenager who was 23 weeks pregnant in 2006. Sycloria Williams had been given drugs in advance to dilate her cervix.

According to the complaint, she gave birth at a Hialeah clinic after waiting hours for Renelique to arrive. The complaint said one of the clinic owners put the baby in a bag that was thrown away.

Police found the infant’s decomposing remains a week later.

A medical examiner determined the cause of death was extreme prematurity, the complaint states.

At Friday’s hearing, Renelique told the board of his lifelong quest to be a doctor. He said there are generations of physicians in his family, and that he decided to follow the same path after seeing his father treat patients.

Renelique described saving a woman’s life during the second year of his medical residency in Haiti. He later left his home country to work and train in the United States. It was never his intention to do abortions, he said.

“That was not part of my goals when I came to Florida,” he said. “But I had to do it to survive.”

Though the proceeding was solely to determine whether Renelique should be disciplined, the physician revealed more details about what happened on the summer day when Williams came in for an abortion.

Renelique said he met the patient a day before the procedure.

According to the Department of Health, Renelique gave Williams laminaria, a drug that dilates the cervix. He said he told her to come in the next day at 10 a.m. “for safety,” and planned to later examine her before the abortion.

Renelique said that as he was en route to the clinic, he was called to treat another patient who was bleeding.

When he arrived to treat Williams, she was bleeding, but no one told him she’d already delivered, Renelique said. He began the procedure, and realized there was no fetus. A sonogram detected nothing.

“That’s when one of the employees came to me and said, ‘Dr. Renelique, what are you looking for?” he recalled. “I said, ‘I’m looking for a fetus.’ And she said, ‘What fetus?”‘

The employee then told him that Williams had already delivered.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: abortion; abortionists; aliens; botchedabortion; cultureofdeath; fl; moralabsolutes; prolife
Another horrible tale.
1 posted on 02/06/2009 11:38:26 PM PST by malkee
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To: malkee

Why isn’t this murder?


2 posted on 02/06/2009 11:39:57 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: malkee

And Hippocrates smiles!


3 posted on 02/06/2009 11:41:42 PM PST by The Worthless Miracle (I will not gird my loins for Joe Biden.)
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To: malkee
No way !?!?!?!!! Wouldn't a Doctor performing a 'botched abortion' put him on the fast-track to a coveted appointment in the Obama Administration of some sort? Maybe even a Cabinet position --- "Secretary of Nonviable Tissue", or some such ........

/extreme sarcasm off

4 posted on 02/06/2009 11:58:39 PM PST by Mr_Moonlight
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To: malkee

Someone get a rope. :-(


5 posted on 02/07/2009 12:00:32 AM PST by Bobalu (McCain has been proven to be the rino flop I always thought he was.)
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To: P-Marlowe
“Why isn’t this murder?”

It it. Abortionists need to be tried following the precedents set at the Nuremburg trials, and at the trial of Eichman in Jerusalem. Like the Nazis executioners, everything the abortionists do is legal and accepted. It is, nonetheless, mass murder.

The systematic murder of babies by abortion is a crime against humanity. We need to hit the abortionists hard on this case.

6 posted on 02/07/2009 12:02:14 AM PST by InterestedQuestioner (Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you and your household will be saved.)
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To: P-Marlowe
Why isn’t this murder?

Apathy.

THAT'S why.

The "American Idol" set has been assailed with conflicting moral and ethical messages from all quarters for so long that they are now, largely, immune to Truth.

When a man cannot determine why it is that he should believe A or B or C, he will choose "None of the above."

7 posted on 02/07/2009 12:03:12 AM PST by HKMk23 (Without ID Obama is no more that simply PRES__ENT.)
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To: Mr_Moonlight

I am sure Obama will appoint him “Tzar” over embryonic stem cell research.


8 posted on 02/07/2009 12:03:19 AM PST by BruceysMom
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To: malkee
“Renelique described saving a woman’s life during the second year of his medical residency in Haiti. He later left his home country to work and train in the United States.

This is just like Adolf Eichman, who could claim to have saved the lives of a few Jews, and thought that somehow might negate his role in the mass murder of millions of others. He saved one woman's life. How many hundreds or thousands of babies did he murder?

“It was never his intention to do abortions, he said.”

And yet there he was, killing a newborn baby by stuffing it into a garbage bag to suffocate.

9 posted on 02/07/2009 12:08:30 AM PST by InterestedQuestioner (Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you and your household will be saved.)
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To: malkee

Should lose his head for this one too.


10 posted on 02/07/2009 12:08:50 AM PST by Force of Truth (Sarah Palin in 2012!!!!!! WOOOHOOOOO!!!!!!!!!)
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To: malkee
“That was not part of my goals when I came to Florida,” he said. “But I had to do it to survive.”

BS. He accepted money in exchange for murdering babies so he could survive? He could have gotten a job at Seven-Eleven. What he's saying is that he couldn't get a job as a doctor because he was too incompetent to be a physician, despite his medical degree from Haiti. Abortionists are the bottom feeders of the medical community.

11 posted on 02/07/2009 12:12:30 AM PST by InterestedQuestioner (Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you and your household will be saved.)
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To: Force of Truth

I agree. He’s admitted to killing babies, there are appropriate consequences in a civilized society for individual who choose to do that.


12 posted on 02/07/2009 12:14:01 AM PST by InterestedQuestioner (Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you and your household will be saved.)
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To: HKMk23
Why isn’t this murder? -Apathy.

Actually, most people don't want to be in the position of making a hard decision. The abortionists have framed the killing of human fetuses and embryos not as homicide, which it in fact is, but rather as hard dilemma. They like to hit us with the hard cases, such as rape, and put your average Joe and Jill in a position of deciding what is right and what is wrong for another person. Faced with that dilemma, most people balk and chose not to think about it. Abortionists typically lie while making their case, and say they are only in favor of “safe, legal, first term abortions,” when the fetus is “just a blob of cells.”

This case, however, is a smoking gun, and we need to hit the abortionists hard with it. There was nothing safe, legal or first term about it. A baby was deliberately suffocated, and there isn't a sane person who wouldn't be enraged over this.

13 posted on 02/07/2009 12:20:32 AM PST by InterestedQuestioner (Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you and your household will be saved.)
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To: BruceysMom
“I am sure Obama will appoint him “Tzar” over embryonic stem cell research.”

President Obama supported and defended this sort of action in Illinois. He even went so far as to verbally attack the nurse who blew the whistle on this, and called her “a disgruntled employee.” He single handedly killed an ammendment designed to prevent babies form being killed after they survive abortions. See "Obama and the Born Alive Infant Protection Act." Generally speaking, President Obama is on record as approving of murder in this fashion.

If you check You-tube, you can find a recording of our president delineating a list of what he feels are good reasons justifying this conduct.

14 posted on 02/07/2009 12:25:42 AM PST by InterestedQuestioner (Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you and your household will be saved.)
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To: InterestedQuestioner
Abortionists need to be tried following the precedents set at the Nuremburg trials

Very true, but only political calculus prevents us from calling the mothers to the same trial. They are the principals, the abortionists are hired guns.

15 posted on 02/07/2009 12:30:52 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Bobalu
Keep in mind that the President Obama is in favor of killing babies that survive abortions such as this child did before he was stuffed in a plastic bag and thrown in the garbage.

In Illinois, babies that survived abortion at “Christ Hospital” (an institution affiliated with Mr. Obama’s church,) were placed next to the dirty bedpans in the soiled utility room and left to die. President Obama backed this program to the hilt, even killing the act that was meant to protect these children. See Obama and the Born Alive Infant Protection Act.

President Obama later lied about it, thereby demonstrating that even those who enable the mass murder of children are sheepish when the murders are brought out into the light of day. The case is an outrage, and we need to hit the abortionists hard with this. Atrocities are committed every day in abortion clinics, but we rarely hear about them. Because of this unusual lawsuit, we have a good example of how abortionists function, and it's important that we make good use of this case.

16 posted on 02/07/2009 12:35:12 AM PST by InterestedQuestioner (Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you and your household will be saved.)
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To: annalex

Yes. During the war crime trials that followed WWII, not everyone who committed crimes was tried for them. Only the worst of the worst were brought to trial for what they had done.

In fact, most of the war crimes were simply overlooked out of political expediency and the fact that it would likely have involved executions on a massive scale. I think we’re in a very similar situation. The medical staff who enable this and the political organizers who made the murder of 50 million children possible need to be held accountable for what they have done. I think the appropriate charge would be for crimes against humanity.


17 posted on 02/07/2009 12:40:55 AM PST by InterestedQuestioner (Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you and your household will be saved.)
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To: InterestedQuestioner

I find these abortion posts to be very upsetting.

The knowledge that people actually exist who will kill an infant for money is deeply troubling.

What has brought us to this terrible place.

I’d rather die a horrible death than to cause even the accidental harming of a baby.

God help us.


18 posted on 02/07/2009 12:55:44 AM PST by Bobalu (McCain has been proven to be the rino flop I always thought he was.)
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To: InterestedQuestioner

Doctors from Haiti? God forbid.

Foreshadowing the future of Obamacare.


19 posted on 02/07/2009 1:02:08 AM PST by ChiMark
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To: Bobalu
I agree with what you're saying. Babies are totally defenseless against abortionists, and it's truly horrific what goes on in these clinics. We have to fight abortion because babies can't.

The mother brought a lawsuit following this abortion. It brought to light what is normally hidden about abortion. Abortion is not, as Mr. Obama says, a constitutional right. It's homicide perpetrated against the weakest of the weak. What abortionists do has no place in a civilized society. The mass murder of children by abortionists is taking place on a scale never dreamed of by the Nazis. We have to confront the abortionists with the truth of what they are doing.

20 posted on 02/07/2009 1:03:02 AM PST by InterestedQuestioner (Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you and your household will be saved.)
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To: InterestedQuestioner

Doctors from Haiti? God forbid.

Foreshadowing the future of Obamacare.


21 posted on 02/07/2009 1:03:12 AM PST by ChiMark
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To: ChiMark
“Doctors from Haiti? God forbid.”

Actually, a large portion of our physicians come from overseas, by design. This is a long standing public policy. We have plenty of people waiting to get into medicals schools who have successfully met the requirements for entry, but we don't allow them to attend. We simply don't accept enough people to our medical schools to fill anywhere near the number of residency spots available. The result is that a lot of physicians in rural and under-served areas went to medical schools overseas.

Personally, I think it's a bad policy that limits the physician supply, and the case of this incompetent physician who claims he can't earn a living without killing American babies is a case in point.

22 posted on 02/07/2009 1:08:24 AM PST by InterestedQuestioner (Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you and your household will be saved.)
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To: Bobalu
The real shocker is that we have come to a point where the mere depiction or discussion of the actual procedure itself and what it entails is taboo. There is a sort of cultural censorship; where if one states or depicts in any way the brutal but accurate truth surrounding many facets of the abortion industry you're immediately branded as hating and wanting to oppress woman, a religious zealot that's close minded, ignorant and unsophisticated.

The abortion activists have won. People think in words and pictures, and they have managed to remove the negative vocabulary and pictures regards abortion that shape perception. From main stream media, Hollywood, and general education you see no real substantive counter argument, although they exist. What you end up with is talk of “a woman's rights,” in a vacuum of any real counter argument since they are seen as vulgar.

23 posted on 02/07/2009 1:11:30 AM PST by Red6
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To: malkee

Liberalese: “Botched abortion”

Translation to English: “Vicious, cruel murder.”


24 posted on 02/07/2009 1:35:04 AM PST by FormerACLUmember
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To: malkee
"According to the complaint, she gave birth at a Hialeah clinic after waiting hours for Renelique to arrive. The complaint said one of the clinic owners put the baby in a bag that was thrown away."

Those cold,heartless people have no souls.

25 posted on 02/07/2009 1:58:40 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Red6
The abortion activists have won. People think in words and pictures, and they have managed to remove the negative vocabulary and pictures regards abortion that shape perception. From main stream media, Hollywood, and general education you see no real substantive counter argument, although they exist. What you end up with is talk of “a woman's rights,” in a vacuum of any real counter argument since they are seen as vulgar.

You remind me: In a world of stiff competition, "if you can't trust me with a choice, how can you trust me with a child?" has got to be one of the most morally vacuous slogans ever placed on a bumper sticker.

Choose what? "Should I have an abortion?" isn't at all like "should we invite your friends for dinner?" or "should I buy these shoes in blue or green?"

"If you can't trust me with a choice..." is especially ironic to consider here, in light of what happened in this case--an especially poor set of Choices. But as that "especially" should tell you, it's sobering to realize what would've happened if he'd done a routine textbook "non-botched" abortion: someone would've still wound up as a lump of decomposing "tissue," and he'd still be at work.

(Someday I may twist "if you can't trust me with a choice..." to support gun rights and pose the resulting question to a leftist, just to see what happens when a head explodes. You can make interesting Second Amendment twists on pro-abortion platitudes, but by and in themselves, gun rights and abortion "rights" really aren't parallel. A better parallel is between a woman's choice to get a "safe"-and-legal abortion and a woman's choice to fire a gun at a child's head--the big differences between these situations are in their status under the law and in the minds of people who support "a woman's right to choose.")

26 posted on 02/07/2009 2:30:46 AM PST by Lonely Bull
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To: malkee; Joe Brower

You can bet the media in Florida will ignore this story as much as possible...after all, their hero, Hussein, supports and voted for the killing of children who were “supposed” to be aborted.


27 posted on 02/07/2009 3:15:50 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: FormerACLUmember
“Botched abortion” usually refers to the baby surviving an attempt to kill it in, on the way out of, the womb. In a liberal’s mind “botched” means the baby lives.

What we have here are two premeditated attempts to kill the same defenseless baby.

To me, an adult taking a child's life in or out of the womb is “Vicious, cruel murder.”

God help us!

28 posted on 02/07/2009 4:30:42 AM PST by Never on my watch ( We need people in office who make their reputation by earning money - not spending it.)
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To: BruceysMom

So was this guy fired for not being good at killing babies or being poor at it??


29 posted on 02/07/2009 5:16:04 AM PST by omega4179 (1.20.13 end of an error)
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To: InterestedQuestioner
most of the war crimes were simply overlooked out of political expediency

If we are given the responsibility to write the abortion legislation tomorrow, I believe we, too, should offer amnesty to all "mothers" who committed one for a variety of reasons: they were told it's a right, some of them have extenuating circumstances, and it is not expedient to prosecute. I also think that we should be careful not to create a climate when people's pregnancies are inspected by some kind of abortion prevention gestapo, as on some level the privacy concern does become valid.

However, the pro-life agenda should not have the overwhelming focus on abortion providers. The fundamental crime is committed by "mothers". Clemency is fine, placing them among the victims muddles the message.

The war crime analogy has its limits. Germany was in a war, so to draw distinctions between legitimate yet lethal work of a soldier, and a war crime is difficult, especially for the victorious side. Those guilty of an abortion today are not under orders; each such act is ipso facto a crime.

30 posted on 02/07/2009 7:29:50 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: omega4179
So was this guy fired for not being good at killing babies or being poor at it??

Exactly.

The kid's dead, right? That was the goal, right? So what's the problem? Pay the doctor (sic) and move on.

/murderous cynicism off
31 posted on 02/07/2009 7:45:54 AM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: LearsFool

I meant to say was he not good enough at killing babies to meet their criteria or was he too efficient at infancticide?


32 posted on 02/07/2009 8:56:35 AM PST by omega4179 (1.20.13 end of an error)
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To: omega4179

I understand. There’s simply no sense anywhere to be found in this matter.

Reminds me of the boyfriend who was arrested and charged (a few years ago) for jumping up and down on his pregnant girlfriend’s belly to kill the child inside her... Charged?? With what, practicing medicine without a license??


33 posted on 02/07/2009 9:02:43 AM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: malkee

This seems like murder to me.


34 posted on 02/07/2009 9:19:54 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (The committed will surely dominate the complacent.)
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To: annalex
Excellent points, Annalex.

Focusing on the mothers is an excellent point. If homicide by abortion were made illegal today, we would still continue to have abortions, just as we still have other types of murders despite laws against them. Recognizing abortion as homicide would not stop all abortions, but it would end abortion on a massive scale, would prevent many of the atrocities that occur in abortion clinics, and would likely end the cultural assumptions and practices that rely upon abortion.

With regards to the war crime trials after WWII, I didn't have in mind war crimes, but rather crimes against humanity, such as the murder of Jewish civilians, dissidents and Catholic priests, torture, and barbaric human experimentation. It's not simply an analogy, since I believe that those who routinely enable or commit abortion are guilty of crimes against humanity. A mother going to get abortion may or may not be guilty of intentional homicide, because ignorance and coercion may play a major role. However, she is not guilty of a crime against humanity. She's in the position of Andrea Yates or Diane Downs, not Adolf Eichman or Dr. Mengele.

Also, the fathers have a role as well, since they may in fact be the ones supplying the coercion.

35 posted on 02/07/2009 9:30:10 AM PST by InterestedQuestioner (Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you and your household will be saved.)
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To: Red6
“...we have come to a point where the mere depiction or discussion of the actual procedure itself and what it entails is taboo. There is a sort of cultural censorship...”

Well put. Nobody wants to hear about what goes on in the abortion industry. It's like bringing up the Nazi gas chambers at dinner, the actions of the abortionists make people sick. We can't, however, simply wish abortion away. It does occur, and it occurs daily on a massive scale. We have a duty to act against it.

“The abortion activists have won.”

In the sense that Hitler won, and slavery won, yes, for awhile. But these practices cannot continue in a civilized society. Abortion will ultimately be recognized as homicide, and those who practiced it will be held accountable for what they have done.

“People think in words and pictures, and they (the abortion activists) have managed to remove the negative vocabulary and pictures regards abortion that shape perception.”

You're absolutely right, and that's why insisting on the accurate usage of words is one part of the battle. We have to insist that this is framed concretely, as killing of the embryo, fetus, or newborn baby, and not as an abstract and euphemistic exercise of “choice.” We have to take away their euphemisms. The abortion movement is intellectually bankrupt. There is no intellectual justification for what abortionists do. Abortion is homicide. The human embryo, fetus, or newborn baby is killed. They are hiding behind a house of cards. People could naively have gone along with abortion when it was thought that it would be rare and only practiced in extreme cases, but that's not how things turned out. 50 million children have been killed, and the abortionists not only refuse to engage in legitimate debate or discussion, they attempt to censor and preempt it. The abortionists don't have a leg to stand on, and we have to confront them personally for their actions.

36 posted on 02/07/2009 9:46:48 AM PST by InterestedQuestioner (Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you and your household will be saved.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
“This seems like murder to me.”

Yes. Dead baby in a plastic baby, and it was put there by someone who deliberately killed it. Sounds like murder and it sounds like....abortion. Hmmmm.

37 posted on 02/07/2009 9:50:22 AM PST by InterestedQuestioner (Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you and your household will be saved.)
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To: InterestedQuestioner

Excuse me, I meant to say, dead baby in a garbage bag.


38 posted on 02/07/2009 9:51:06 AM PST by InterestedQuestioner (Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you and your household will be saved.)
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To: malkee
“That was not part of my goals when I came to Florida,” he said. “But I had to do it to survive.”

Signed the little contract in blood with Satan to get you BMW early. Well, enjoy unemployment, you belong in prison, and enjoy Hell for eternity.

39 posted on 02/07/2009 9:53:26 AM PST by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.)
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To: wagglebee; narses; Coleus; cpforlife.org; little jeremiah

moral absolutes/pro-life ping


40 posted on 02/07/2009 9:55:29 AM PST by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Nathan Zachary
“According to the complaint, she gave birth at a Hialeah clinic after waiting hours for Renelique to arrive. The complaint said one of the clinic owners put the baby in a bag that was thrown away.”

The clinic owners made $1200 for snuffing the baby in a plastic bag. The doctors involved in disciplining Dr. Renelique need to be concerned with more than just his taking several hours to respond to his pager.

41 posted on 02/07/2009 9:56:13 AM PST by InterestedQuestioner (Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you and your household will be saved.)
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To: malkee

Original post here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2179230/posts?page=41#41


42 posted on 02/07/2009 10:48:55 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: malkee

“But I had to do it to survive.”
Does the matter of *infant* survival ever enter this low-life’s mind?


43 posted on 02/07/2009 12:19:28 PM PST by liberalism is suicide (Communism,fascism-no matter how you slice socialism, its still baloney)
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Moral Absolutes Ping!

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44 posted on 02/07/2009 1:48:57 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: InterestedQuestioner
A baby was deliberately suffocated, and there isn't a sane person who wouldn't be enraged over this.

Medved focused on this item Friday. A woman caller, who sounded like a lawyer, said this case was "tricky."

It's always "tricky" when your moral compass spins like a top. These type of people have no bearings, no compass, no life.

I don't know how they can live with themselves, but then, again, conscience is not an issue.

45 posted on 02/07/2009 5:55:02 PM PST by HoosierHawk
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To: HoosierHawk
“Medved focused on this item Friday.”

Thanks for the heads-up on that. Wish I'd caught the show, I'd love to hear the podcast.

“Medved focused on this item Friday. A woman caller, who sounded like a lawyer, said this case was “tricky.” It's always “tricky” when your moral compass spins like a top.”

That about sums it up. It's tricky in a sense that homicide by abortion is legal and a slippery slope to infanticide and euthanasia. From the standpoint of reality and the appeal to basic human decency, however, this case exposes abortion for what it truly is. The abortionists can't hide behind their traditional “it's-just-a-blob-of-cells” argument nor can they pretend that they murdered the baby out of compassion, as they like to do.

This case is powerful because it lifts the curtain and forces us to see what transpires in an abortion clinic. The abortion industry is protected by the silence of the victims, and we rarely hear about what goes on in places where children are routinely killed. The stories that occasionally leak out reveal abortion clinics for what they really are.

We shouldn't focus on the legal aspects of this case. Murdering unborn children is legal. What we should focus on the facts of this case, which clearly demonstrate why elective abortion should not be legal.

46 posted on 02/08/2009 8:05:30 AM PST by InterestedQuestioner (Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you and your household will be saved.)
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