Posted on 02/08/2009 12:26:55 PM PST by Ravnagora
From Iceland to Latvia, the growing financial crisis is triggering popular revolts. Several European governments are on the verge of being toppled. Yet, it is in the Balkans where the rising tide of discontent may have the most significant impact.
The bloody breakup of Yugoslavia left in its wake successor states - all of whom, with the exception of Slovenia, are mired in economic stagnation. The region's biggest disappointment, however, has been Croatia. It is now badly lagging behind its northern Slovene neighbor due to massive political corruption. Croatian Prime Minister Ivo Sanader vows to lead his country into the European Union by 2011. Instead, he has transformed Croatia into a mafia state. The government's incompetence threatens to push the country toward economic collapse. It's no wonder thousands of protesters took to the streets in December demanding early elections.
Since coming to power in 2003, Mr. Sanader and his ruling Croatian Democratic Union (HDZ) have presided over a creeping authoritarian kleptocracy. Bribery, kickbacks and cronyism are ubiquitous. Most senior politicians possess unexplained wealth. Mr. Sanader has amassed a personal fortune, including a Zagreb mansion worth about 10 million euros and a luxurious watch collection valued at 150,000 euros. This kind of wretched excess would cause even former disgraced Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich to blush.
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Secondly, NDH has nothing to do with the Republic of Croatia because they are two totally different states. RH is the legal successor to the SRH, not NDH since RH is based on ZAVNOH and SRH.
Those are the facts. If you don't like it, you can file a suit with the UN. Even the Slovenes have rejected this position cited in the article since it shoots themselves in the foot in regards to Slovene pro-Axis forces during WW2.
If we are to extend your logic, Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro, and Kosovo can all sue the Republic of Serbia for Chetnik crimes committed in those countries.
I am leaving on vacation tomorrow so I have no more time today to argue with you. I’ll end it here.
Enjoy your vacation.
Now we understand; it was SOP for the 3rd Reich to pay Reichsmark 100,000 in gold for taking a collaborator, living or dead.
But that all changed once he began openly collaborating.
His followers west of the Drina River and in Montenegro began open collaboration much sooner, many from the summer of 1941.
I shouldn't even be here, except that you are pissing me off, Dio.
Mihailovic helped rescue the American Airmen in late 1944, and the Germans wanted the Americans as badly as they wanted Mihailovic, but Mihailovic wouldn't turn them over. The Germans burned a Serbian village with the inhabitants in it in retaliation for not handing over the Americans. Anyone interested in the subject should read "The Forgotten 500" by Gregory Freeman.
Seems to me, Dio, that you are only to happy to regurgitate Tito communist propaganda, like this "Mihailovic was a collaborator" nonsense when it suits your aims, but label anything you don't like as "communist propaganda" or "Serbian propaganda" when you are losing an argument. Grow the hell up!
As stated before, Mihailovic played a double game with the Allies and Axis, collaborating with the Axis to stop the Partisans, and hoping for an Allied landing in Dalmatia at which point he'd switch.
Facts are facts, Boka. And the fact that these facts come from Chetnik sources in the West post-war make them all the more solid.
Except for the communist Josip Broz, what Croats did the Germans offer bounties for?
What does that have to do with Chetnik collaboration with the Italians and Nazi Germans?
And you provide none of these "facts", even though the rest of us have gone to great lengths to link to information to back up what we are saying.
But with you, we are just supposed take your word on it that your information "comes from Cetnik sources" -- like you hang out with Cetniks? Right! Got any more snake oil to sell us?
If you would like the actual sources, I am willing to provide all the documentation necessary on a new thread that will discuss Chetnik collaboration with the Nazis and Italians.
Are you interested?
The European theater in WW2 can best be looked at as a civil war between supporters of Hitler and supporters of Stalin, with the people who just wanted to be left alone caught in the middle. Like the Spanish Civil War writ large.
The HSS sat out the war (with tiny fragments joining either the resistance or the Axis collaborators) and were swept up in the whirlwind as Europe tore itself apart.
Chronology without dates is what U peddle.
The date of the Mihailovic-Tito WANTED poster is 21 July 1943.
Operation Halyard q.v. - From 9-10 August 1944 the first rescue of Allied airmen, was executed by Mihailovic and the OSS. Rescued fliers were 241 USAAF, 6 RAF, 12 Russians, 4 French, 9 Italians. Subsequent rescue missions were conducted by Mihailovic’s Chetniks and OSS under the nose of the Germans in occupied Serbia (Pranjani) from an airstrip improvised on a cow pasture. Operation Halyard was shut down by the OSS on 27 December 1944. The Red Army was already in Belgrade.
In an operation lasting from 14 September to 24 November 1944, the Soviet Army and Partisans expelled the Germans from Belgrade.
In the ranks of the Soviet forces were Croatian Nazis captured at Stalingrad in 1943. The heroes wore snazzy new uniforms and traveled on new GMC trucks suppied by the USA to the USSR. Tito did not de-Nazify his Yugoslavia. Croatia’s Nazis simply put on the Red Star until the time was ripe, with re-unified Germany (1989), to scuttle — again — Yugoslavia, the lifeboat that had saved their sorry butts after both world wars.
Mihailovic was captured by Tito forces in Eastern Bosnia in March 1946. Unlike Croatia’s heroes he didn’t flee to Austria and Germany, like U Nazi Croats did.
— A collaborator would have.
ADOLF is a fine old German name. Compare the baptismal record between 1933-1945 and after. No more Adolfs.
Would you like me to start a new thread will all the documented sources? It's up to you.
The date of the Mihailovic-Tito WANTED poster is 21 July 1943.
I'm aware of that. It doesn't change the fact that Mihailovic (and his forces in Sumadija specifically) slid into collaboration after that date.
Operation Halyard q.v. - From 9-10 August 1944 the first rescue of Allied airmen, was executed by Mihailovic and the OSS. Rescued fliers were 241 USAAF, 6 RAF, 12 Russians, 4 French, 9 Italians. Subsequent rescue missions were conducted by Mihailovic’s Chetniks and OSS under the nose of the Germans in occupied Serbia (Pranjani) from an airstrip improvised on a cow pasture. Operation Halyard was shut down by the OSS on 27 December 1944. The Red Army was already in Belgrade.
In the meantime, Mihailovic played a double game and collaborated with the Germans to gain an advantage against Tito's Partisans.
In the ranks of the Soviet forces were Croatian Nazis captured at Stalingrad in 1943.
Croatians weren't Nazis. Nor was the 369th Legion an Ustasha force. It was a Domobran force within the German Wehrmacht. A small fraction of that obliterated force was gang-pressed into a propaganda "Yugoslav" force by the Soviet Red Army.
The heroes wore snazzy new uniforms and traveled on new GMC trucks suppied by the USA to the USSR. Tito did not de-Nazify his Yugoslavia.
That's because Yugoslavia wasn't Nazi.
Croatia was de-Ustashized, however. The killings at Bleiburg and the Death Marches went hand in hand with Tito's statement that "for Yugoslavia to survive, the Ustashe must be destroyed!".
Croatia’s Nazis simply put on the Red Star
AN ABSOLUTE LIE.
FEEL FREE TO NAME ONE USTASHA THAT BECAME A PARTIZAN.
WHY DID TITO ACCORD AMNESTY TO SERBIAN CHETNIKS THAT JOINED THE PARTIZANS, BUT NEVER ALLOWED USTASHA TO JOIN THE PARTIZANS?
Mihailovic was captured by Tito forces in Eastern Bosnia in March 1946. Unlike Croatia’s heroes he didn’t flee to Austria and Germany, like U Nazi Croats did. — A collaborator would have.
I guess you missed the 500 Croatian Ustashi that were captured from 1946-1948 in Yugoslavia who returned to start a rebellion against the communist regime as "Krizari"...men like Bozidar Kavran and Rafael Boban.
Your knowledge of history is pathetic and like a snake you refuse to answer direct questions.
Dobrosav Jevdjevic, Momcilo Djujic, Brane Bogunovic (KIA), Uros Drenovic, Pavle Djurisic (KIA).
You can provide all the crap propaganda you want, Dio -- if you have nothing better to do. But in fact, a Commission of Inquiry in the Case of General Draza Mihailovich was already conducted here in the US. The Commision included the former Mayor of NYC, testimony of the rescued Americans. Draza Mihailovic was found INNOCENT of German collaboration!
Part 1.
Mihailovic didn’t, did he?
Pavelic fled to Austria, hid in a monastery... With a fake beard and phoney documents he sailed to Argentina. CRO Himmler, Artukovic did; he landed eventually in Ireland, dressed in a cassock, with fake ID as “Father Anich”. Father Anich’s wife and kids joined him there. One son was born in Ireland. He was deported to communist Yugoslavia in 1986, carried aboard an airliner on a stretcher. After take-off the invalid got up and moved freely about the cabin.
Tens of thousands of less prominent Croats paid for fake documentation from the Vatican. Padre Draganovic’s contact was Monsignor Giovanni Montini, Secretary of State to Pope Pius XII. Montini was to become Pope Paul VI.
Interim, interested parties, GOOGLE these names, and Monsignor Krunoslav Draganovic, Rat Lines and Hubert Butler...
Part 2, to come. WATCH THIS SPACE
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