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Block the Stimulus - Here's How!
My feeble mind | self

Posted on 02/11/2009 3:07:40 PM PST by rednek

I just got off the phone with my congresswoman - Mary Fallin's office. I asked how many bodies in the house to constitute a quorum for the stimulus vote. After 15 minutes on hold, they gave me the answer - 3/5 or 2/3 - not sure which. Either way, there are enough republicans to block a vote - by simply walking out and demanding a quorum call call on the way out the door. 173 Reublicans = 39.7% - add a couple of Blue dog dems to it.....and it works. Only flippin' chance we have. Shut the congress down. Burn the phones down - call your Congressman and demand action...........red


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KEYWORDS: rats; rino; rinos; sellout

1 posted on 02/11/2009 3:07:40 PM PST by rednek
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To: rednek
I am on two committees. One quorum is one half plus one of the total members of the board and the other a quorum is written that a quorum vote is one half plus one of the members present.
Do you know how the wording is on what a quorum is.
2 posted on 02/11/2009 3:13:40 PM PST by svcw (This maybe my last transmission - God have mercy on us.)
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To: rednek

Heard on the news that Senator McConnell has said the Republicans would not block the bill.


3 posted on 02/11/2009 3:13:45 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: rednek

Sounds like an excellent idea to me. Even if the Democrats can pass this without the support of Republicans, they should summarily walk out.


4 posted on 02/11/2009 3:15:14 PM PST by dr_who
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To: svcw

no it depends on the rules you follow. congressional rules an a seperate animal.

Roberts and Demeter’s are different.

I have even seen rules where there is NO QUORUM REQUIRED and a quorum is those who are present. (just to prevent this type of stunt)


5 posted on 02/11/2009 3:16:23 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Red_Devil 232
Heard on the news that Senator McConnell has said the Republicans would not block the bill.

Spineless.

6 posted on 02/11/2009 3:17:06 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: longtermmemmory
Congress has passed bills by acclamation with as little as 5 people standing in the room. Walking out of the room isn't necessarily a good strategy if the parties left behind choose something other than a roll call vote.
7 posted on 02/11/2009 3:19:18 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: rednek
I'm disappointed that your Congress critter's office doesn't know what a quorum in the House is. Not surprised, really.

Most Freepers probably know that Article 1, Section 5 of the United States Constitution covers that.


a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business;
So if all the Dems show up, there's a quorum, and the House can pass anything.

It's different in the Senate, where a cloture motion is generally needed to end debate and get to a vote. Those require 3/5ths of the Senators to agree to cloture. That's where the 60 vote requirement in the Senate comes from.

8 posted on 02/11/2009 3:19:25 PM PST by cc2k (When less than half the voters pay taxes, it's called "taxation without representation.")
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To: svcw

I was told for the stimulus bill in the house it is not a simple 1/2 +1 for quorum. It was either 3/5 or 2/3 of the total house. Only shot we have.


9 posted on 02/11/2009 3:22:27 PM PST by rednek (if it isn't large caliber, it isn't worth carrying)
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To: Red_Devil 232

“Heard on the news that Senator McConnell has said the Republicans would not block the bill.”

WTF??????

I’m not voting for another Republican until they get their act together, which won’t be soon with this bunch in charge.


10 posted on 02/11/2009 3:24:31 PM PST by maggief (Rome is burning . Chickens are roosting.)
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To: rednek

How can they not know exactly how many???


11 posted on 02/11/2009 3:24:50 PM PST by Fred (Buy on the Rumor - Sell on the Fact)
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To: cc2k

Precisely, and that is where the 3 Rinos screwed us. Now no chance for fillibuster, all that is needed is a simple majority in the senate.


12 posted on 02/11/2009 3:27:04 PM PST by Fred (Buy on the Rumor - Sell on the Fact)
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To: cc2k
So if all the Dems show up, there's a quorum, and the House can pass anything.

then let them pass it without ANY republican help. real replublicans should want nothing to do with this atrocity.

13 posted on 02/11/2009 3:27:18 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: rednek
Clearly Michael Steele pussied out here so he could get off to a good start.

We all know what's coming next: control of the internet and radio. Mark my words, they'll be shutting down "hate sites" and instituting "local content" rules on radio by the end of the year.

Time to start looking at something different...

14 posted on 02/11/2009 3:28:52 PM PST by OKSooner ("He's quite mad, you know." - Sean Connery to Honor Blackman in "Goldfinger".)
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To: rednek

Reregister as a democrat and vote against them in the next primary. If enough pubs do it we can alter the outcome. Time to be insurgent. You can always vote for the pub in the general.


15 posted on 02/11/2009 3:33:17 PM PST by Always Independent
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To: Fred

16 posted on 02/11/2009 3:36:24 PM PST by Colonial Warrior (Never approach a bull from the front, a horse from the rear, or a fool from any direction.)
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To: Fred
Fred wrote:
Precisely, and that is where the 3 Rinos screwed us. Now no chance for fillibuster, all that is needed is a simple majority in the senate.
I'm not 100% sure on that.

I've heard several sources that I usually consider reliable say that 60 votes are still needed in the Senate.

Conference reports are covered in Senate Rule XXVIII. That rule seems to say that no debate is necessary and a simple majority can pass a conference report. But it also proscribes a number of things that can justify a 'point of order' which would require a three-fifths majority to waive the 'point of order' and continue with the vote.

17 posted on 02/11/2009 3:48:47 PM PST by cc2k (When less than half the voters pay taxes, it's called "taxation without representation.")
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To: rednek; Cboldt; kristinn; Jim Robinson; trooprally; The Mayor; Baynative; Brad's Gramma; ...

ALSO SEE:


Rep. Walt Minnick introduces $174 billion stimulus bill ( Defeat Porkulus )
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2183579/posts


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18 posted on 02/11/2009 3:49:53 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Always Independent

“You can always vote for the pub in the general.”

Not in some states. We better have our act together with lists of states that don’t allow switchovers in the general before we advise doing something like that.


19 posted on 02/11/2009 4:15:55 PM PST by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: rednek
Called Boren's office........

We shall see

20 posted on 02/11/2009 4:26:23 PM PST by Osage Orange (Our constitution protects aliens, drunks and U.S. Senators. -Will Rogers)
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To: cc2k

On the Senate side, there are two separate motions required to pass a bill. One is a motion to proceed, the other is a motion to pass the bill. Normally, both are debatable. However, on a Conference Report, the motion to proceed is not debatable and consequently it’s just a straight majority vote. The motion on final passage is debatable, and it takes 60 votes to shut off the debate.

The Senate rule you cited covers those circumstances where someone attempts to introduce into the Conference Report an item that the Committee didn’t agree on. It also includes a fairly recent rules amendment that requires the final report to be posted for public review for 48 hours before passage. The majority in both houses have indicated they intend to ignore that rule... well, not really “ignore”, but vote not to comply with it.


21 posted on 02/11/2009 4:46:17 PM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: ArmstedFragg; All
The motion on final passage is debatable, and it takes 60 votes to shut off the debate.

So one could vote to shut off debate, then vote against the bill...this is what I expect from the 3 big phony Rinos in the senate... The Rinos would then be able to claim they voted against the changes that were made in the house, and the bill would still pass with a simple majority....
22 posted on 02/11/2009 5:49:07 PM PST by Fred (Buy on the Rumor - Sell on the Fact)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; The Spirit Of Allegiance; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; ...

Thanks Ernest and TSoA.


23 posted on 02/11/2009 6:20:37 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

Thanks for the ping.


24 posted on 02/11/2009 6:41:12 PM PST by GOPJ (What's caused 19 deaths, makes travel difficult, and won't melt til April? Global Warming.FR:Dentist)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Republicans: Permanent Minority!


25 posted on 02/11/2009 7:24:17 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (This election gave the drunks the keys to the liquor cabinet!)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

Thanks for the ping!


26 posted on 02/11/2009 8:22:05 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: SunkenCiv

tahnks.

Contact the traitors - Specter, Collins, Snowe. Use an address in their state. This is war.


27 posted on 02/11/2009 8:36:55 PM PST by dervish (speechless, tagless, sick over porkulus)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance
PRAY for division among the evildoers and for repentance among us all.

Well said.

28 posted on 02/11/2009 8:39:13 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: maggief

They can’t block the bill, because 3 of the republicans are supporting the bill. No point in saying they would block the bill if they know they will lose the filibuster vote.

The only hope was if the house/senate conference put something back in the bill that turned one of the three republicans against it. That didn’t happen, because those three republicans were looking for a reason to vote yes.

Collins is even touting the bill has a great day for our country.


29 posted on 02/12/2009 5:16:10 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: OKSooner

Michael Steele doesn’t have a vote in the Senate. He can oppose the bill, and most republicans will still vote against the bill, but McConnell can’t block the vote if he doesn’t have enough republicans who will vote with him to block the vote.

If Stevens were in the Senate, we’d have blocked the vote. If we hadn’t lost seats in Virginia, and New Mexico we’d have blocked the vote. But we did lose seats, lots of seats, and we no longer have the ability to block votes.


30 posted on 02/12/2009 5:18:10 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: cc2k

Yes, you still can filibuster, but the 3 republicans who voted for the bill are going to do it again, so there are still 60 votes. The only thing we could do is force a cloture vote and delay the bill for 2 days.


31 posted on 02/12/2009 5:19:28 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: penelopesire

There are NO STATES in the union that dictate which candidate you have to vote for in the General Election.

You may have trouble rejoining the “republican party”, but who cares?


32 posted on 02/12/2009 5:20:36 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: rednek

Your premise is based upon the assumption that Reps actually want to stop the bill. Very little evidence of that.


33 posted on 02/12/2009 5:25:07 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Chevron 7 will not engage!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
I know that Michael Steele is not a member of the US Senate. My point was that I didn't see him do anything to oppose it, except for a token debate with Tim Keane.

I will continue to believe that this happened because of ineffective status quo Republican leadership, both in the Senate and in the party at large.

At a time when "change" is called for in the Republican party, there is none except a new name and a new face at the RNC.

34 posted on 02/12/2009 6:05:03 AM PST by OKSooner ("He's quite mad, you know." - Sean Connery to Honor Blackman in "Goldfinger".)
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To: rednek

My experience with a quorum is the number of people present at a voting event equals the quorum...May have a thousand members but if only 3 show up to vote, that’s called a quorumm...And the vote would be valid...


35 posted on 02/12/2009 2:51:39 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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