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Let's Brainstorm Ideas for Economic Warfare Against the Libs [Vanity]
12 Feb 2009 | Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Posted on 02/12/2009 5:36:53 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Hi all,

I'm posting this under News/Activism because I'm intending for this to be a brainstorming session about activism - activism with regards to how we, as conservatives, can limit or even end our support for the corrupt, kleptocratic, elitist system we see in our country's government. We have a government that is definitely NOT "of the people, by the people, for the people." Instead, we have a government dominated by left-wing socialists and their RINO lackeys which is in the process of passing a massive pork-spending bill which the people have clearly said they don't want. But the politicians don't care. Unfortunately, there aren't enough "good" politicians - truly conservative - in Washington to be able to mount a serious effort to stop it.

So, what can we the people do about it?

Let's hear some ideas about *real* civil disobedience and other ways we can throw sand in the gears, and create enough of a ruckus that "they" will HAVE to listen to us. I'm talking legal stuff here - nothing about not paying your taxes (and before you start in with the "income tax is voluntary" line, you try to not paying them and see how voluntary it really is), vandalising gov't buildings, etc.

One idea I'd have, expanding on some things floated on FR yesterday: Economic warfare. Don't spend any more than you have to in Blue states or Blue counties. I realise that this may be difficult or even impossible for some FReepers, but for those of us that it is not, we can help cut into the income-by-stealing of Democrat counties.

My family will be buying our groceries across the border in a Red county. I'm going to buy my gas in the county I work in (Red) instead of the one I live in (Blue). Any big ticket items will be bought over the internet, out of state, with no sales tax. No more fast food in Blue counties. No more spending on either luxuries or necessities in Blue counties, as much as we possibly can. My clothing will be bought in a tax free thrift shop, and I'm going to be hitting Ebay, Amazon, and Craigslist for many items, instead of buying them from a big-box store. It's still legal (so far) for you to decide *where* you're going to spend your money, so let's spend it, as much as we can, in places that did not go for Obama (shoot, you may end up saving money b/c of lower sales taxes anywise!)

Any ideas people would like to throw out there, or even reasons why this all would NOT be a good idea?


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1 posted on 02/12/2009 5:36:53 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

John Galt

shop carefully, especially in establishments featuring Obama stickers


2 posted on 02/12/2009 5:40:25 AM PST by silverleaf ("Men are not angered by mere misfortune but by misfortune conceived as injury" - Screwtape)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
If you haven't already done so, I'd say pay as little in taxes as humanly possible. I mean, EVERYTHING: I used to blow off some deductions. Not this year. I'm pulling a Clinton and claiming underwear.

Second, I think the times call for us to be rather punitive. No more charitable giving. Sorry, people need to SEE that if they want the government to provide for them, it absolutely cannot. The woman who gave that bleeding heart the house after the Elkhart town meeting---she absolutely did the wrong thing. That lib will now credit OBAMA for what a REPUBLICAN did. No more.

3 posted on 02/12/2009 5:41:17 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Don’t shop at Costco, as they support the rats. Shop at eeeevil Walmart instead, same prices, not yearly fee.


4 posted on 02/12/2009 5:42:40 AM PST by jt2
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To: LS

I’m moving to a red county. I’ve been planning this since the election results.


5 posted on 02/12/2009 5:43:27 AM PST by swatbuznik
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

++++”I’m talking legal stuff here...”++++

Oh come on...that’s no fun! Play how they play...

Actually, PRAY and PRAY with a sincere heart for change!!

2 Chronicles 7:14....read it!


6 posted on 02/12/2009 5:43:53 AM PST by mikelets456
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

hmmm...even though I live in the blue state of NY, I do live in a red county.

It would be nice to set up a list of targets to eliminate from office - the worst and most vulnerable dems along with RINOs so we can donate to their opponenets.


7 posted on 02/12/2009 5:44:24 AM PST by Scotswife (GO ISRAEL!!!)
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To: jt2

I haven’t seen any evidence of that....


8 posted on 02/12/2009 5:45:03 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified DeCartes))
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

If you are eligible for any ‘freebies’ take them. Bankrupt the system.


9 posted on 02/12/2009 5:46:03 AM PST by sfimom (I know nothing.)
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To: All

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2183162/posts

Might find some ideas in here.


10 posted on 02/12/2009 5:46:47 AM PST by Reagan69 (No Representation without Taxation !)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

I’m wondering what us small retailers can do.

Come April about a third of my biz is going to slowly drop off, I suspect, because of the asinine cig tax-my customers here in this perpetual economically challenged region cannot afford it, neither can I. (my wholesalers don’t give me that much of a break with tobacco products.)
On a personal level I intend to stop smoking, to me it’s a patriotic act...funny how that has become the only convincing reason to quit for me.


11 posted on 02/12/2009 5:48:30 AM PST by ozark hilljilly (I don't even think I think!)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

I see no reason why a LOT more investigation of public records cannot take place. It’s fairly easy to see who has not paid taxes, etc....

Let’s go after the corruption of these politicians.


12 posted on 02/12/2009 5:48:34 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified DeCartes))
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To: silverleaf
John Galt

Shop carefully, especially NOT in establishments featuring Obama stickers.

13 posted on 02/12/2009 5:49:12 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: LS
The woman who gave that bleeding heart the house after the Elkhart town meeting---she absolutely did the wrong thing.

The woman (Henrietta) was at the Ft. Myers town meeting. And I think the person who gave her the house did the right thing. It was a private donation. Government had nothing to do with it.

If O tries to take credit for it, he will invite much, much more of the same.

From here on out, any time O has a town meeting or appearance of any kind, it will be swamped by the "gimme" crowd. There will be people (I daresay many will be FReepers or other conservatives - hehe) carrying big signs, "Please help. I need a car/house/medical care/job/benefits/food/Viagra..." The display will make people sick and drive the point home that Obama supporters are greedy, self centered government leeches.

We should be going on liberal websites complaining that Henrietta got a house and we have nothing. When is Obama going to help the rest of us out here.

Poor Henrietta opened up the door to a whole propaganda movement.

14 posted on 02/12/2009 5:49:52 AM PST by randita (Starve the beast - earn as little as you can get by on and spend even less.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
File an extension to delay filing your tax returnthis year.

Up your W-4 deductions, if W-4s will do anything for you.

Make sure you DO NOT overwithhold.

15 posted on 02/12/2009 5:50:50 AM PST by Paladin2 (No, pundits strongly believe that the proper solution is more dilution.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus; Mrs. B.S. Roberts

Do you mean you want us to fight
GOVERNMENT OF THE GOVERNMENT,FOR THE GOVERNMENT AND BY THE GOVERNMENT?
I was fond of GOVERNMENT of, by and for the PEOPLE.
Please specify. (Like I wonder which)


16 posted on 02/12/2009 5:51:02 AM PST by CaptainAmiigaf (NY Times: We print the news as it fits our views)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Let’s hear some ideas about *real* civil disobedience and other ways we can throw sand in the gears, and create enough of a ruckus that “they” will HAVE to listen to us. I’m talking legal stuff here -

The play book has already been created by the left:

The rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky

Lets take their playbook and use it on them

Reality is staring us in the face -conservatives and free market supporters are NOW the radicals.....

Flame away......


17 posted on 02/12/2009 5:51:35 AM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Vacation in red states as well and tell the folks when you’re there that you came to their state because they are a conservative state.

I don’t agree with withholding charitable contributions. That’s the way people SHOULD be helped - not through government.


18 posted on 02/12/2009 5:52:15 AM PST by randita (Starve the beast - earn as little as you can get by on and spend even less.)
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To: jt2

If you insure your car with Progressive,change carriers.Peter Lewis is a prime contributor to the socialists.


19 posted on 02/12/2009 5:52:44 AM PST by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: jt2

++++”Don’t shop at Costco,” ++++

Go to www.afa.net and find the companies that support gays and far left radicals. These are some of the companies I used to buy from now I stopped:

-Pepsi...HUGE gay supporters.
-All movies. I buy them used and DO NOT go to the theaters unless it’s a movie produced by Christians or conservatives.
-Apple and Google. I know this is hard as Microsoft also is sleazy. However, Google and Apple actually fought against the very people that support them (regarding Prop 8)
-Staples, Barnes and Noble, CVS, Borders, Whole foods as these groups are anti-Christmas and support abortions.

The list goes on!
I’d love to cheat on my taxes, but I must follow Jesus’ instructions, even if I think it’s unfair. Sorry, but I don’t want to try to defend my actions when I am standing before God! That ain’t gonna’ fly...


20 posted on 02/12/2009 5:52:51 AM PST by mikelets456
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

How about investments?


21 posted on 02/12/2009 5:52:53 AM PST by sickoflibs (Pelosi: "Create jobs by teaching kids to use condoms in recovery bill ",condom jobs??)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

I’ve often wondered why we don’t use their playbook against them.
Reckon we, as a whole, have been raised differently-we have manners and respect. But this situation may cause the worm to turn.
We will become them.


22 posted on 02/12/2009 5:54:26 AM PST by ozark hilljilly (I don't even think I think!)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
If you have a rental property and claim deductions, I know of a fellow who looks through all the shopping carts at Home Depot for left-behind receipts.

They are uncontestable, and worth cash.

He found one for a chainsaw left in a shopping cart - worth over $300 with the other purchases... since he is in the 30-40% tax bracket, this receipt was worth over $100 to him.

Imagine, finding $100.00 bills in shopping carts and in the weeds outside of Home Depot! That works and is impossible to trace or stop.

I would never do such a thing of course, but if I were a Democrat I would.

The idea:
Nobody cares about receipts, but if you have at least one rental property and can claim deductions for costs, repairs and the like, collect receipts from the parking lot and shopping carts!

Result: Less revenue for the tax thieves.

23 posted on 02/12/2009 5:54:32 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Number 1 - my pet issue - GET RID OF YOUR TV SUBSCRIPTION! Boycotting individual shows and sponsors is all fine and dandy but by canceling your entire subscription you end funding every liberal facet of entertainment and news, let alone the very financial enablers themselves - the sponsors. Get Netflix and cut the royalties, the ads, and the dilemma of wondering “What’s on?”


24 posted on 02/12/2009 5:54:36 AM PST by torchthemummy (My apologies if this post retreads on ground already covered!)
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To: swatbuznik
I’m moving to a red county.

Heck, I'm moving to a red state! Probably Texas. I can't take living among these idiots any longer. Propery taxes for a modest home in my NJ county are the 15th highest out of ALL the counties in the country. They will get no more of my tax money. As soon as I can sell, I'm outta here.

25 posted on 02/12/2009 5:55:20 AM PST by jersey117
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Let the red states in the bread basket boycott sales to the Northeast coastal states and West Coast. This would eventually starve all the “ rats” and sanitize the areas making it a new frontier to inhabit .


26 posted on 02/12/2009 5:55:38 AM PST by Renegade (You go tell my buddies)
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To: randita
The woman (Henrietta) was at the Ft. Myers town meeting. And I think the person who gave her the house did the right thing. It was a private donation. Government had nothing to do with it.

I kind of agree on a sheer human level. The problem is that, irregardless of whether it was a Pubbie trying to steal the thunder of Obama/Dems, this sets a bad precedence and simply reflects reward for being in the spotlight.

27 posted on 02/12/2009 6:00:49 AM PST by torchthemummy (My apologies if this post retreads on ground already covered!)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Shop at the NRA Store http://www.nra.org


28 posted on 02/12/2009 6:01:46 AM PST by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

I’m starting a nonprofit “Institute” to try and siphon some money from the enviros.


29 posted on 02/12/2009 6:01:59 AM PST by lafroste (gravity is not a force. See my profile to read my novel absolutely free (I know, beyond shameless))
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To: Paladin2

filing an extension will not help. when you file the extension you must go ahead and pay what you owe or you will be subject to interest and penalties when you actually file the return. changing your w4 so you get as much money each payday as possible and don’t let the govt hold your money interest free and and then get a refund will definitely help. this will be huge if many taxpayers do it.


30 posted on 02/12/2009 6:04:30 AM PST by fatrat (Previously a proud american.)
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To: sickoflibs
How about investments?

If you can find them, invest in things that don't throw off taxable distributions for a couple of years. Anything that makes sense to defer income so there is lass tax going to the Feds/locals.

31 posted on 02/12/2009 6:09:01 AM PST by Paladin2 (No, pundits strongly believe that the proper solution is more dilution.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Barter,I have not done this in a while but we can barter with another person or persons to get what we need..No taxes and lots of things we can use..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barter


32 posted on 02/12/2009 6:10:07 AM PST by PLD
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To: randita
I don't think that would work, since she was homeless and we weren't. The level of sympathy for a person with a house or apartment who wants another house would not be exactly great.
33 posted on 02/12/2009 6:10:28 AM PST by Kleebo151
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To: torchthemummy

++++”Number 1 - my pet issue - GET RID OF YOUR TV SUBSCRIPTION”++++

However, my FIOS Tv also includes a dozen or more Conservative, Christian channels as well as Fox business and Fox news channels.

Seriously, stop buying their products. That is the best way...AFA has been very effective doing this as they have 3 million people on their mailing list. They will ask people to stop buying certain products and it works!!


34 posted on 02/12/2009 6:10:47 AM PST by mikelets456
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To: fatrat
"filing an extension will not help"

Actually I believe that it will as it will tend to burden the IRS and send a message to the politicians. If 50% of taxpayers did it, it would be a minor wakeup call.

35 posted on 02/12/2009 6:11:39 AM PST by Paladin2 (No, pundits strongly believe that the proper solution is more dilution.)
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To: ozark hilljilly

” I’m wondering what us small retailers can do. “

A couple of quick thoughts come immediately to mind —

Barter...

Go ‘Cash only’ — do away with checks or plastic....

Sell products from local ‘cottage industry’ people...

Once your thinking ventures even slightly ‘out-of-the-box’, (Yes, this takes a bit of courage) the possibilites will become apparent....
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“ On a personal level I intend to stop smoking, to me it’s a patriotic act...funny how that has become the only convincing reason to quit for me. “

Especially in the context of this thread — knuckling under to the Nanny-Staters most assuredly isn’t a ‘patriotic act’.. It’s merely the ‘path of least resistance’....

There are any number of valid reasons to quit (and I say this as a smoker, myself), but this is nothing more than rationalization of abject surrender....


36 posted on 02/12/2009 6:11:50 AM PST by Uncle Ike (At some point, government has to be the next bubble to burst. (H/T Freeper This_far))
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To: randita
Sorry, I have a different take. Even though it was a private donation, O will get credit for caring, NOT the people who gave it.

I'm ending all charitable giving. I know it's "unChristian," blah, blah. As long as government is getting the credit---not God---then government can do the charity. I think we need to utterly withdraw from all philanthropy as long as these people are in charge.

As Abbe Hoffman would say, we need to bring the system down. The sooner, the better.

37 posted on 02/12/2009 6:12:42 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: LS
"As Abbe Hoffman John Galt would say, we need to bring the system down."

That's better.

38 posted on 02/12/2009 6:15:58 AM PST by Paladin2 (No, pundits strongly believe that the proper solution is more dilution.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Boycott General Electric

Glenn Beck: GE in bed with Obama

39 posted on 02/12/2009 6:23:22 AM PST by greedo
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To: Uncle Ike

“Especially in the context of this thread — knuckling under to the Nanny-Staters most assuredly isn’t a ‘patriotic act’.. It’s merely the ‘path of least resistance’....”

???
By denying them the .65 tax per pack (or whatever it will be.)To me that’s my small contribution to the failure of their policies. I still have to purchase fuel, I still have to purchase certain hard goods for the household-all have sales taxes tacked to them. But the smokes are voluntary.
True, eventually when their plans fail, they will go after the next cash cow to fund their folly-sodas and overly sweet and/or salty snacks come to mind- and so on down the line of minor sins.

Perhaps my reasoning is faulty to you, and maybe it is. But sheer frustration leaves me thinking what can I do? I don’t see it as complying with the Nannies, they are counting on the addictive nature of tobacco to keep the revenue coming in, even though outwardly they wag a finger at us smokers.
They are counting on us smokers to keep lighting up...I don’t want to give them that.

Thank you for the suggestions, Unc, for the retail field, however. There are some good ideas for me to explore.


40 posted on 02/12/2009 6:27:55 AM PST by ozark hilljilly (I don't even think I think!)
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To: LS

I’m with you.
We must consider that the money we gave to Charity before is now being taken from us and given to the people who need. That is my charitable contribution.

Short of my church, nothing to charity.


41 posted on 02/12/2009 6:30:30 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Here are a couple more:

1) change party registration to Independent

2) cancel newspaper subscriptions

3) move finances from banks to credit unions


42 posted on 02/12/2009 6:31:08 AM PST by thethirddegree
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
What about challenging each and every RINO in primaries so the Congress will uniformly liberal? I suppose it will be a great improvement, isn't it?
43 posted on 02/12/2009 6:32:38 AM PST by alex
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To: randita
Poor - Poor Henrietta? This woman and her GROWN son borrowed some money in New York and on Jan. 18, 2009 jumped in their car and moved to Florida with a stopover in Pa. She figured she and her son would find jobs the day they arrived in Fl.

I do not feel sorrow for her and her linebacker sized son!

44 posted on 02/12/2009 6:32:44 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Michelle Malkin found this about Ms. Huges:
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/02/11/a-henrietta-hughes-flashback/


45 posted on 02/12/2009 6:37:08 AM PST by ozark hilljilly (I don't even think I think!)
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To: Bon mots

Isn’t cheating grand?


46 posted on 02/12/2009 6:40:40 AM PST by gracesdad
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To: Kleebo151

See post 44


47 posted on 02/12/2009 6:45:55 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: SumProVita; jt2

I don’t know how you managed to miss that Costco is left wing, I have been boycotting them since the mid 90s.

http://www.slate.com/id/2104988/
So far this campaign cycle, Costco CEO James Sinegal has made campaign donations of $93,500 according to OpenSecrets.org—all of it to Democratic candidates and entities. Brotman has donated $38,250 in this cycle, again all to Democrats. In addition, Brotman and Sinegal have also given $95,000 apiece to the Joint Victory Campaign, one of the most influential of the anti-Bush527 committees, independent entities that can accept unlimited donations from individuals. Sol Price, the founder of Price Club, which merged with Costco in 1993, has given more than $44,000 to Democratic campaign causes this cycle.

Wal-Mart, by contrast, focuses its fundraising largely on Republicans. Jay Allen, Wal-Mart’s senior vice president for corporate affairs, is a Bush Pioneer, meaning he’s raised at least $100,000. Wal-Mart CEO Leo Scott has donated to the president’s re-election campaign. Through July 6, according to Sheila Krumholz, research director at the Center for Responsive Politics, Wal-Mart—the company, its PAC, and individuals employed by it—have made political donations of $1.658 million. Of that, $1.34 million, or 81 percent, went to Republicans. While many corporate PACs hedge their bets and give to both parties in rough proportion to their control of Congress, “Wal-Mart stores appears to be a more ideologically aligned company,” said Krumholz.


48 posted on 02/12/2009 6:45:56 AM PST by ansel12 ( When a conservative pundit mocks Wasilla, he's mocking conservatism as it's actually lived.)
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To: ozark hilljilly

” But sheer frustration leaves me thinking what can I do? “

Check FRmail.... ;~)


49 posted on 02/12/2009 6:46:00 AM PST by Uncle Ike (At some point, government has to be the next bubble to burst. (H/T Freeper This_far))
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To: thethirddegree

>>3) move finances from banks to credit unions<<

Could you please tell me why this helps?
I’d do it in a heartbeat.


50 posted on 02/12/2009 6:46:49 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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