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Darwin Losing in the Polls (bad news for Darwin's Bicentennial "Celebration")
CEH ^ | January 12, 2009

Posted on 02/12/2009 10:39:56 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

Darwin Losing in the Polls

Feb 12, 2009 — Many scientists are celebrating Darwin as the greatest scientist in history on his Bicentennial, but public support for his theory is slipping. A new Zogby poll shows significant erosion over the past few years over the question of whether evolution only should be taught, and a new Gallup poll shows only a minority believe in evolution.

The results of the Zogby poll are explained on Evolution News with graphs. The demographics indicate that it is not just church-goers who support academic freedom to teach the strengths and weaknesses of evolutionary theory; a large majority of those calling themselves liberals, college grads and Democrats also responded affirmative to the question, “Would you strongly agree, somewhat agree, somewhat disagree, or strongly disagree that teachers and students should have the academic freedom to discuss both the strengths and weaknesses of evolution as a scientific theory?” Young adults were among the strongest in agreement.

Evolution News in another article pointed out that the poll shows support for teaching “strengths and weaknesses” of evolution has risen 9 percentage points since a similar poll in 2006....

(Excerpt) Read more at creationsafaris.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: creation; darwinday; evolution; intelligentdesign; pseudoscience

“...dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.... that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom....”

—Abraham Lincoln, Gettysburg Address, 1863.

“But then with me the horrid doubt always arises whether the convictions of man’s mind, which has been developed from the mind of the lower animals, are of any value or at all trustworthy. Would any one trust in the convictions of a monkey's mind, if there are any convictions in such a mind?”

—Charles Darwin, Letter to William Graham, 1881. Died 1882.

1 posted on 02/12/2009 10:39:57 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

Darwin Bicentennial Ping!


2 posted on 02/12/2009 10:40:57 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: All

EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION

A Proclamation.

Whereas, on the twelfth day of February, in the year of our Lord two thousand nine, a proclamation was issued by the, people of the world, containing, among other things, the following, to wit:

That on the twelfth day of February, in the year of our Lord two thousand nine,
all Darwin doubters held as captives within any scientific community or designated
part of an academic institution, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion
against the Darwin Party, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free; and the
administration of any institution, including the hiring and firing authority thereof,
will recognize and maintain the freedom of such persons, and will do no act or
acts to expel such persons, or any of them, in any efforts they may make for
their actual freedom of inquiry.

That on this day, hereby to be designated Academic Freedom Day, that inquiries
into the actual nature of the living things, including their design, and their
functional information, and their origins, shall henceforth be decoupled from any
and all slavish requirement of metaphysical naturalism, or any other such limits
on free and honest investigation toward following the evidence where it leads, as
befits the quest to discover and understand the sources and operations of nature.
And upon this act, sincerely believed to be an act of justice, warranted by the
principles of noble science, upon academic necessity, I invoke the considerate
judgment of mankind, and the gracious favor of Almighty God.

Witnesseth,

The Spirit of A. Lincoln
Academic Freedom Day


3 posted on 02/12/2009 10:41:40 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Dumbest poll question of the year to date.

A better question would have been:

Should Evolution and Creationism be taught in public schools?

Those results would be much more interesting than a question that actually reflects what Darwin proposed in the first place.


4 posted on 02/12/2009 10:45:53 AM PST by Pox
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To: GodGunsGuts

anti-science folks are almost as good at playing the victim card as Liberals


5 posted on 02/12/2009 10:47:49 AM PST by MoreGovLess (Seek justice, love kindness, walk humbly with your God (Micah))
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To: GodGunsGuts
That's because DEVOlution is the ONLY option!




6 posted on 02/12/2009 10:47:54 AM PST by SparkyBass
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Evolution should be taught in school. Creationism should be taught in sunday school. If parents dont like it, home school your children.


7 posted on 02/12/2009 10:48:51 AM PST by TerP26
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To: GodGunsGuts

How does this mean Darwin is ‘losing’ in the Polls? Just because people support the academic freedom to debate the strengths and weaknesses of his theory and those of ID, doesn’t mean they support ID instead of evolution.
I mean, everyone should support academic freedom, right? Doesn’t mean you can’t think some of the theories being discussed aren’t a load of contrived rubbish....


8 posted on 02/12/2009 10:50:56 AM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: GodGunsGuts

Incidently, I wonder if Darwin himself would have agreed with the idea that his idea should be the only one discussed and that ID should be banned from discourse. I doubt it....


9 posted on 02/12/2009 10:53:06 AM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: TerP26

I clarify further: evolution should be taught in science class. Creation should be taught in religion class.


10 posted on 02/12/2009 10:55:12 AM PST by MoreGovLess (Seek justice, love kindness, walk humbly with your God (Micah))
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To: GodGunsGuts

Losing at the polls means a scientific theory is wrong?

That implies that Republicans losing elections means conservatism is wrong.


11 posted on 02/12/2009 10:56:44 AM PST by js1138
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To: js1138

you forget that Republicans are not conservative


12 posted on 02/12/2009 10:59:20 AM PST by MoreGovLess (Seek justice, love kindness, walk humbly with your God (Micah))
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To: TerP26
Evolution should be taught in school. Creationism should be taught in sunday school.

I always liked the first part of evolution where random minerals evolved into living tissue.

It's almost like a miracle, isn't it?

13 posted on 02/12/2009 11:03:35 AM PST by Iron Munro
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To: TerP26
Evolution should be taught in school. Creationism should be taught in sunday school. If parents dont like it, home school your children.

I homeschool (and teach evolution, for the record) and could not agree with you more.

Happy Birthday, Charles Darwin!

14 posted on 02/12/2009 11:04:28 AM PST by mountainbunny
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To: Iron Munro
I always liked the first part of evolution where random minerals evolved into living tissue.

You're confusing evolution by means of natural selection with abiogenesis. Evolution states simply that populations change over time.

Re: the poll in the article... truth isn't decided by a vote.

15 posted on 02/12/2009 11:16:08 AM PST by ucantbserious
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To: GodGunsGuts

I thought the article was going to be about a opinion poll taken on the greatest scientists. I haven’t read anything touting Darwin as the greatest scientist. I wouldn’t even place him in the top 100 using those parameters of determination I think valid.

I do not care one bit whether anyone ever learns about evolution or not. The theory produces nothing of value nor is it likely ever to do so. I suppose I see the best scientific discovery as that which is beneficial to mankind and moves us forward and not that which has little or no benefit and mires us in the time and chance of ooze.


16 posted on 02/12/2009 11:20:30 AM PST by WildcatClan (Iam fimus mos ledo ventus apparatus)
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To: GodGunsGuts

This is absolutely unequivocally untrue. But what does one expect from a Creationist website?
There are Darwin Bicentennial celebrations going on all over the world and in the US as we speak.


17 posted on 02/12/2009 11:49:08 AM PST by stanz (Those who don't believe in evolution should go jump off the flat edge of the Earth.)
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To: Iron Munro

It is...that is why it is the basis of Theistic evolution.


18 posted on 02/12/2009 12:06:43 PM PST by NucSubs ( Cognitive dissonance: Conflict or anxiety resulting from inconsistency between beliefs and actions)
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To: MoreGovLess
Here ya go: the numbers behind the numbers.

Looks like a couple of trends to me,based on age and education.

19 posted on 02/12/2009 12:12:52 PM PST by js1138
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To: GodGunsGuts

The scientific method does not include the use of polls as proof of a theory.


20 posted on 02/12/2009 12:27:36 PM PST by Jeff Gordon ("An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile hoping it will eat him last." Churchill)
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To: Iron Munro
It's almost like a miracle, isn't it?

Nope, not even close. It would have been a miracle if the raw elements of the universe did not evolve into life given the conditions we know to have existed.

21 posted on 02/12/2009 12:31:45 PM PST by Jeff Gordon ("An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile hoping it will eat him last." Churchill)
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To: Jeff Gordon

“The scientific method does not include the use of polls as proof of a theory.”

Except when the evos say, “there’s a scientific consensus on evolution.”

Consensus is a euphemism for “can’t be tested and shown to be true”.


22 posted on 02/12/2009 12:37:11 PM PST by webstersII
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To: webstersII
“there’s a scientific consensus on evolution.”

Who said this? Please provide a link that shows the context of this being said.

I am tired of these Keith Olbermann type half truths creeping into the debates about evolution. Since when did it become okay for conservatives to use the tactics of the liberal left?

23 posted on 02/12/2009 12:44:52 PM PST by Jeff Gordon ("An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile hoping it will eat him last." Churchill)
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To: MoreGovLess
anti-science folks are almost as good at playing the victim card as Liberals

Don't you guys ever get tired of this old straw man.

No one here is anti-science, it is always about junk science, declared to be real science.

Many science fields are bought and sold to the highest bidder, either directly or through grants. Many so called Scientist propagate these threads, getting all offended by the luddites that point out their inanities.

Scientists can and does lie, either to support their agenda, or for money.
Anyone that can show that this never happens, be my guest.

24 posted on 02/12/2009 1:44:08 PM PST by itsahoot (We will have world government. Whether by conquest or consent. Looks like that question is answered)
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To: Jeff Gordon
Nope, not even close. It would have been a miracle if the raw elements of the universe did not evolve into life given the conditions we know to have existed.

If we know the conditions that existed I guess it won't be long until those conditions are duplicated in a lab somewhere and we will have some new life forms created by man. No extraterrestrial deity needed if it just takes some scientists, primordial goop and energy.

Maybe they could brew up some carrier pigeons - I would like to see them come back.

That will probably happen right after they figure out how to make an efficient alternative fuel to replace petroleum - one that doesn't take more energy to produce than it makes.
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25 posted on 02/12/2009 3:25:01 PM PST by Iron Munro
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To: Jeff Gordon
The scientific method does not include the use of polls as proof of a theory.

That's why Creationists use the Community Organizing method.

26 posted on 02/12/2009 5:21:17 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ( As for a future life, every man must judge for himself between conflicting vague probabilities. - D)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


27 posted on 02/12/2009 9:42:14 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: itsahoot

I actually agree that science goes to the highest bidder, I see it all the time

I just get sick of people trying to use the Bible as a science text. By all means, let’s line up evolution and Genesis side by side and see which is better supported by the evidence. It will take all of about 2 seconds and then we can move on.

How would you feel if someone said “my kid’s science class does not mention that lightening is actually Zeus throwing bolts from Mt Olympus, so my theory needs equal treatment” ?


28 posted on 02/13/2009 7:27:47 AM PST by MoreGovLess (Seek justice, love kindness, walk humbly with your God (Micah))
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