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Knox legislators join effort that seeks Obama's birth certificate
Knox News ^ | Saturday, February 14, 2009 | Tom Humphrey

Posted on 02/14/2009 2:51:34 AM PST by Red Steel

Two Knox County legislators have joined House Republican Caucus Chairman Glen Casada in signing up as supporters of a lawsuit trying to force President Barack Obama to turn over a copy of his birth certificate.

State Reps. Stacey Campfield of Knoxville and Frank Niceley of Strawberry Plains say they agreed to be listed as plaintiffs in hopes of resolving contentions that Obama may actually have been born outside of the United States, which would mean he cannot serve as president under a provision of the U.S. Constitution.

Casada and Rep. Eric Swafford, R-Pikeville, also acknowledged that they will back the Defend Our Freedoms Foundation in the lawsuit, one of several expected to be filed. The U.S. Supreme Court already has refused to hear one such lawsuit, and Democratic legislators suggest the whole thing is an unfounded conspiracy theory.

"I want to end the controversy," Campfield said. "Obama claims he wants to be a very open person, and this is the perfect way to show that - by turning over the birth certificate to get over all the questions and concerns."

Obama's campaign last year provided copies of a certificate to various media outlets indicating the president was born in Hawaii, but Campfield said there were questions about whether the document was "a certification, not a certificate - and there's a difference."

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1 posted on 02/14/2009 2:51:34 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
but Campfield said there were questions about whether the document was "a certification, not a certificate - and there's a difference."

It's neither but a forgery.

2 posted on 02/14/2009 2:56:43 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel; LucyT

Things are starting to snowball...


3 posted on 02/14/2009 3:04:18 AM PST by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Red Steel

Sadly, this will go nowhere I fear. There is no mood in the Supreme Court to do the right thing. Instead they will do what is expedient and give America what the majority wanted, which was any Democrat president who wasn’t George W Bush. Bonus points if the new president were either the first black or the first female POTUS.

No other considerations matter.

And now you have the first foreign sorta-black socialist POTUS in America’s history: with so many “firsts”, can’t you be satisfied with that???

(Such ingratitude!)


4 posted on 02/14/2009 3:17:38 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

It’s time that John McCain joined this particular fight. He was the man with the most to lose—and if there is anybody with ‘standing’ in this situation, it’s McCain.


5 posted on 02/14/2009 3:26:24 AM PST by Marty
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To: Red Steel

“...Obama may actually have been born outside of the United States, which would mean he cannot serve as president under a provision of the U.S. Constitution.”

I have never heard of this “U.S. Constitution”.


6 posted on 02/14/2009 3:30:59 AM PST by aj7360
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To: Red Steel

Meanwhile the 0 is quickly poping to all the little people who voted for him. (Cig tax)


7 posted on 02/14/2009 3:35:34 AM PST by Waco
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To: Red Steel

Have they tried looking for it at the civil service office in Bethlehem?


8 posted on 02/14/2009 3:40:34 AM PST by Jack Hammer (here)
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To: Waco

And setting the GOP up for extinction.


9 posted on 02/14/2009 3:46:56 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Marty

I think you’re right. And I think the chances of McCain doing this are about nil. The more I contemplate your election process and the events leading up to Obama’s election, the more I have to wonder whether it was always McCain’s intention to ensure a Democrat candidate sat in the Oval Office.

In other words, the fix was in, and always had been.


10 posted on 02/14/2009 3:52:04 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
And now you have the first foreign sorta-black socialist POTUS in America’s history: with so many “firsts”, can’t you be satisfied with that???

Nope. Now we want the first foreign sorta-black socialist POTUS in America’s history forced to resign inside the first six months of his administration.

11 posted on 02/14/2009 3:54:54 AM PST by Tennessee_Bob (Save the Hispaniolan Solenodon!)
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To: Tennessee_Bob

> Nope. Now we want the first foreign sorta-black socialist POTUS in America’s history forced to resign inside the first six months of his administration.

Even more firsts! And I expect that next you’ll be wanting him to also be the first ex-president to do hard gaol time for election fraud and racketeering!

Jeez, there’s no pleasing some people! (BIG GRIN!)


12 posted on 02/14/2009 3:57:10 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

We’ll never see Zero or any other president or former president in cuffs. A Nixon scenario is far more likely but I suspect they would try to avoid embarrassment by having him step down for health or personal reasons.

Democrats who call for the conviction of Bush are just acting in political theatre and know it. Their party isn’t going to open that door because once it’s open, it can’t be closed.


13 posted on 02/14/2009 4:08:03 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
And I expect that next you’ll be wanting him to also be the first ex-president to do hard gaol time for election fraud and racketeering!

Well, that would be nice - but not a requirement. Just out of there would be good.

14 posted on 02/14/2009 4:25:06 AM PST by Tennessee_Bob (Save the Hispaniolan Solenodon!)
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To: cripplecreek

He would have to step down for personal reasons...throwing him out after showing the birth certificate would invalidate laws and bring a debacle to the Democrats. It would never get the far.

There are a lot of weird addresses with variations of Barack’s name that was posted last night...voter fraud...or possible bank account issues come to mind.


15 posted on 02/14/2009 4:55:48 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: cripplecreek
Democrats who call for the conviction of Bush are just acting in political theatre and know it.

Yep. Fodder for the masses.....

16 posted on 02/14/2009 5:20:22 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Government is not the solution to the problem. Government IS the problem - Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: pickyourpoison

bttt


17 posted on 02/14/2009 5:36:48 AM PST by pickyourpoison (" Laus Deo ")
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To: DieHard the Hunter
Had my taxes done last week. I owe more this year than all my previous filings put together + several hundred $’s. If I'm considered rich, we're in bigger trouble than anyone can imagine. I hope this extra money I have to pay goes toward those rats Pelosi has a passion for in the Bay area. I hope some of it goes for those golf carts that is going to stimulate the lobby group that pushed it. I hope some of it goes to the McDonalds working 0 worshiper that can't believe he doesn't have better benefits in his minimum wage job. I hope some of it goes to the black woman in Florida who has a history of telling everyone how unfair life has treated her. She got a kiss from the h0ly 0ne and a house to live in for nothing. She has worked hard for what she has got. I hope none of my money goes to those colleges that allow faith based activities on their property. I hope some of my money goes to the lawyers fighting to keep my President's secrets of his past safe. I hope they will use some of money to build a new life for Gitmo victims that will be released because they have a right to terrorize my people and are just being held in deploreable conditions despite the fact they observe a peace loving religion. I hope some of it goes to the railway Reid needs to shuttle people from Vegas to Disney World. I'm glad black construction workers will benefit from my money rather than white ones. After all, they are more important because of the color of their skin. It is my patriotic duty to pay taxes like VP Biden told me and everyone else. Although, I feel folks that are nominated for cabinet positions in the 0 administration that don't pay their taxes like me are too important to be bothered because they have contributed in other ways that are much more vital to our nation than my service in the US Army.

I feel like the woman in the white suit that mouthed “I love you Barrak” in Florida. I think all the states that are introducing legislation on State-based initiatives towards reforming the American government, a constitutional republic against an oppressive Fed. govt. are just down right mean and uninformed. How can a state possibly think they can “explicitly restrict the power to confiscate firearms and ammunitions in an emergency.” Apparently, these backwoods people don't realize that advanced governments like most of Europe, the USSR, Cuba, North Korea and the misunderstood Chavez have realized the right of a citizen with a gun is a threat to the government that knows what is best for the masses.

I think the graffiti bandit that was recently arrested and is famous for his red and blue communist like portrait of hope and change that 0bama represents is being persecuted just like those progressives at Gitmo. 0bama is a citizen of the world! George Soros has worked so hard to put in the position he is in and should be enough for anyone to realize he is too important to fail. It shouldn't matter if he is a natural born citizen of the United States of America. The important thing is, 0bama is on a higher level than all of us and knows what is best. After all, he is a citizen of the world.

If I were living in the dark ages of a few years ago and hadn't seen the light according to 0bama, I'd probably say something stupid like “My powder is dry” or “Locked and loaded” “Bring it on!” I only wish I had more to give if I didn't have a job that is considered ordinary. http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?page_id=1909

18 posted on 02/14/2009 5:39:58 AM PST by appleseed
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To: DieHard the Hunter

I’ve wondered the same thing. It is curious that when his eligibility was challenged he did not challenge The Ones. Instead he produced his BC and went on his merry way to lose the election. As the one person we know to have standing, he needs to be challenged to bring a suit or join one the many already out there. If he declines, it will be safe to assume that he is part of the effort to bring down this country. It is now very obvious, and becoming more so each passing day, that destroying this country is the goal of many in power. I just wonder how many and who? I loved George Bush and defended him to BDS friends and relatives on many occasions. Now I find myself wondering if he was part of this debacle. He must have known that there were challenges to Obama’s elegibility, yet he graciously handed him the reins of power. I hope I’m wrong but one has to wonder.


19 posted on 02/14/2009 6:03:45 AM PST by Josephat
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To: Josephat

> I loved George Bush and defended him to BDS friends and relatives on many occasions. Now I find myself wondering if he was part of this debacle. He must have known that there were challenges to Obama’s elegibility, yet he graciously handed him the reins of power.

I think in President George W Bush’s case it was probably an “aw buggerit!” response. The Dems had been rotten to him for 8 years, and more than a few of the GOP had turned on him, and then he was getting blamed for the financial meltdown that actually belonged to the Dems — he probably felt sick and tired of it all and couldn’t wait to be The Former President: on the basis that the Nation gets the government it deserves.

An entirely human reaction and perfectly understandable under the circumstances.


20 posted on 02/14/2009 6:12:18 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Red Steel

I would sure like to see a state - say TX, TN, OK, other? - to put a hold all Federal taxes that it’s citizens are to pay the Federal government, collect it at the state level, but not forward it to the Federal government, until zero proves he meets the qualifications of office.


21 posted on 02/14/2009 6:15:17 AM PST by rigelkentaurus
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To: Red Steel

bump!


22 posted on 02/14/2009 6:17:59 AM PST by apocalypto
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To: Red Steel

Awesome! Finally, finally our elected officials are listening to our voices!


23 posted on 02/14/2009 7:02:25 AM PST by real_patriotic_american
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To: Red Steel
This article indicates that Congressman Neil Abercombie gave a speech at Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women & Children in Honolulu in which he said Obama wrote him a letter that stated he was born at that hospital: "Kapi'olani is the place of my birth."

Wayne Harada, Island Life, Honolulu Advertiser, February 1, 2009, http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20090201/COLUMNISTS17/902010311/1153

This article says Maya Soetoro-Ng says he was born at the hospital too: "He was born in Kapiolani Medical Center for Women & Children, two blocks up from where our grandmother still resides ... the place where he used to stick orange peels under his bed, where it got all dried out and ... nasty."

Laurie Au, Obama backers stress the importance of caucuses, Honolulu Star, February 18, 2008, http://archives.starbulletin.com/2008/02/18/news/story03.html

24 posted on 02/14/2009 8:13:36 AM PST by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: Red Steel

My fear is that any original documents have been destroyed. Rahm Emmanuels “vacation” to Kenya, Obama’s trips to Hawaii, His pals at Harvard, Columbia, Occidental... it looks like this has been taken care of.


25 posted on 02/14/2009 8:18:10 AM PST by AJMCQ (Who is Khalid al-Mansour? You mean Obama didn't get into Harvard on his grades?)
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To: Red Steel

This is the only way to stop the Stimulus road to Socialism . . . every law the current President signs will be null and void if he is not a Natural Born Citizen.

Email this information to your Republican Congresscritters asap. I’ve written and would LOVE to see CSPAN cameras on Monday showing Republicans standing together demanding the current President’s long form BC, college transcripts and thesis at the same moment he is having a press conference and signing the Stimulus into law.

Has NO ONE in Congress read the Constitution and Bill of Rights? Apparently NOT. This entire bill is ANTI-Constitution.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.


26 posted on 02/14/2009 9:26:55 AM PST by HighlyOpinionated ( "The goal is not to solve the problem, but to escalate it . . . ." - Saul Alinsky)
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To: SteveH
Hospitals in Hawaii to Obama: You Were Not Born Here!

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"All of these were called from November 20 - December 2nd 2008. It is confirmed, OBAMA not born in any hospital in Honolulu County! NONE FACT!

Hospitals you can check yourself

We were pretty detailed in our calls.  You can look at every hospital here and call any of them.  You can file freedom of information acts, you can do everything and anything you wish.  Barack Obama was never born in a hospital in Hawaii as claimed."


-end snip-

Nope, no birth record found of Obama in Hawaii.

27 posted on 02/14/2009 1:01:18 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
Hospitals in Hawaii to Obama: You Were Not Born Here!

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Nope, no birth record found of Obama in Hawaii.

Will Hoover, Obama's Hawaii boyhood homes drawing gawkers, Honolulu Advertiser, Sunday, November 9, 2008. http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081109/NEWS01/811090361/-1/SPECIALOBAMA08

If you read the above article closely there seems to be a conflict between the hospitals confirming anyone born there and the HIPA (Health Information Privacy Act, http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/index.html) law:

"We don't have plans to do anything," said Kapiolani Medical Center spokeswoman, Claire Tong, when asked how the center plans to commemorate the soon-to-be 44th U.S. president, who, according to Obama's family and other sources, was born at that hospital on Aug. 4, 1961.

"We can't confirm or deny it — even though all the information out there says he was born at Kapiolani Hospital. And that's because of the HIPA law."

[...]

"Our hands are tied," she said.

28 posted on 02/14/2009 6:31:57 PM PST by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: SteveH
Wrong Steve, they are blowing smoke up your rear. They could reveal basic information like dates and names:

HIPAA: Bad Law or Bad Press?

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"For example, reporters no longer can get the names and other information about hospital patients, such as victims of a major accident. Under HIPAA, a reporter must ask for a patient by name. The hospital will provide a general statement about the patient's condition, but only if the patient is in its directory, and the patient may opt out. Editorials say this obstructs the public's right to know. And one article claimed: "If HIPAA had been in effect on Sept. 11, hospitals wouldn't have been able to post victims' names." Not true. HIPAA does not prevent hospitals from releasing relevant information about patients to law enforcement and public health officials, and in cases of public emergency. Also, HIPAA doesn't restrict how reporters can use information they get about the patient. It just forces them to go to a source that's closer to the patient....

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though the fines are steep, the risk is minimal. You won't find HIPAA police lurking in hospital halls waiting for a nurse to leak a patient's data. And no one can sue a health-care provider for breaking the law. Health and Human Services will investigate a provider only if it gets a complaint of a major violation."



Asking for a name and a date that happened almost 5 decades ago is NOT a violation of HIPAA.

29 posted on 02/14/2009 8:48:08 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

At a minimum it seems open to interpretation. Clearly your interpretation of the source you refer to disagrees with that of Kapiolani Medical Center spokeswoman, Claire Tong in the source I refer to. Maybe you and Ms. Tong could duke it out in the public eye. In any case Maya and Neil seem to be fronting for Barack and committing him to have been born at Kapiolani, while Barack himself remains mum in public. Under the circumstances it makes one wonder if one possibility is that the issue is not so much where he was born but who if anyone is listed as the father, the father’s nationality, and what race he is declared to have been at birth.


30 posted on 02/14/2009 11:28:55 PM PST by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: SteveH; Red Steel
Your statement post #30.

Under the circumstances it makes one wonder if the possibility is that the issue is not so much where he was born but who if anyone is listed as the father, the father's nationality, and what race he is declared to have been at birth.

A cogent statement and one which should not arouse any pithy comment (hopefully). I have looked at the world map and the distance between Honolulu and Mombasa. It is declared that Honolulu to Nairobi,Kenya is 10.742 miles. Whether by sea or air, I could not find out. There is an extra 330 miles from Nairobi to Mombasa.

From Honolulu to Seattle is 2680 miles and we know Stanley Ann was easily transported there. Added to that her best friend at that time must have been her mother. Her husband was virtually disinterested in her well being. Be that as it may, the absolute final question could be the definition of "natural born".

The least subjective definition and I stand to be corrected by more scholarly persons, seems to be a person born on American soil. The most subjective seems to be a person born on American soil of American born parents. If not that, then a person being born on American soil of two parents, being American citizens.

Surely efforts must be made for the legislators to absolutely clarify the elegibility of a person on the ballot, for the next presidential election. If only to prevent a fringe candidate from slanting any result. For, after all, every vote for an ineligible person in such an election, is an insult to the process.

31 posted on 02/15/2009 10:13:04 AM PST by Peter Libra
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To: Red Steel
First of all, it's highly unlikely any of those hopsitals would have kept a record that long. They're only required to keep a birth record until the person reaches 25 years of age.

Second of all, even if they had a record, it would be illegal under various privacy laws for them to confirm or deny anything.

Never mind. You birthers will ignore these obvious facts and continue spinning your conspiracy theories. Have fun.

My purpose here is to show the world that not every Freeper wears a tinfoil hat.

32 posted on 02/16/2009 4:11:55 PM PST by curiosity
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