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The enemies of Jim Crow (1964 Civil Rights Act--108 Southern Democrats did not vote YES)
Boston Globe ^ | 2/15/09 | Jeff Jacoby

Posted on 02/15/2009 3:30:59 AM PST by MartinaMisc

SOMETHING to ponder during Black History Month: In the long night that followed Reconstruction, what was the engine that drove Jim Crow? Did segregationist laws codify existing social practice, or was it the laws themselves that segregated the South?

Many people might intuitively assume that Southern racism had led to entrenched public segregation long before Southern legislatures made it mandatory. Not so. Separate facilities for blacks and whites were not routine in the South until the early 20th century. Racism there surely was, but as C. Vann Woodward observed in "The Strange Career of Jim Crow," the idea of separating the races in places of public accommodation initially struck many white Southerners as daft. In 1898, the editor of South Carolina's oldest and most conservative newspaper, the Charleston News and Courier, responded to a proposal for segregated railroad cars with what was meant to be scathing ridicule:

"If we must have Jim Crow cars on the railroads, there should be Jim Crow . . . passenger boats," he wrote. "Moreover, there should be Jim Crow waiting saloons at all stations, and Jim Crow eating houses . . . There should be Jim Crow sections of the jury box, and a separate Jim Crow dock and witness stand in every court - and a Jim Crow Bible for colored witnesses to kiss."

Tragically, what the Charleston editor intended as mockery would soon become reality across the South - "down to and including the Jim Crow Bible," as Woodward noted. But it wasn't an overwhelming grassroots demand for segregation that institutionalized Jim Crow. It was government, often riding roughshod over the objection of private-sector entrepreneurs.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: africanamericans; democrats; ethnicsupremacists; jeffjacoby; jimcrow; liberalfascism; race; racism; segregation; slavery

1 posted on 02/15/2009 3:30:59 AM PST by MartinaMisc
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To: MartinaMisc

The democrats can add Jim Crow laws to their contributions to this country, along with the Klan, Sheets Byrd, and the fight to keep slavery alive.


2 posted on 02/15/2009 3:41:38 AM PST by GOPyouth ("Uhhhhhhhhhh." - President B. Hussein Obama)
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To: MartinaMisc

The streetcar companies might have resisted segregation, but for half a century in the South no one who ran on a platform of ending or relaxing segregation could get elected dogcatcher. You can’t blame segregationist politicians and give a pass to the folks who continued to elect them.


3 posted on 02/15/2009 3:51:03 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: GOPyouth

And Wilson resegeregated Washington, DC and the military. This was to please his Secretary of War, Daniels. Guess who the Undersecretary of War was at the time. FDR, who learned his lessons well; discriminating not only against blacks, but Asians, Jews and Republicans.


4 posted on 02/15/2009 3:57:02 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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To: GOPyouth

By the 1960’s almost all Senators and Congressmen from the South was against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. In fact of the eleven Republicans from the South, not a single one voted in favor of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.


5 posted on 02/15/2009 4:03:15 AM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: GOPyouth
The democrats can add Jim Crow laws to their contributions to this country, along with the Klan, Sheets Byrd, and the fight to keep slavery alive.

The democrats didn't figure out how to really hurt the black community until they passed their anti-family welfare legislation of the Great Society.

6 posted on 02/15/2009 4:14:06 AM PST by ALPAPilot
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To: ALPAPilot

“The democrats didn’t figure out how to really hurt the black community until they passed their anti-family welfare legislation of the Great Society. “

Exactly. It destroyed Blacks and the associated taxation has destroyed our country. It has engendered a “gimme” attitude that was evidenced in Big O’s latest town hall meeting.

I’m convinced LBJ was a commie.


7 posted on 02/15/2009 4:38:17 AM PST by dljordan
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To: trumandogz
By the 1960’s almost all Senators and Congressmen from the South was against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. In fact of the eleven Republicans from the South, not a single one voted in favor of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

.....11 southern Republicans did not vote in favor, as compared to 108 Southern Democrats who did not vote for the act.
8 posted on 02/15/2009 4:38:59 AM PST by Girlene
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To: dljordan
“The democrats didn’t figure out how to really hurt the black community until they passed their anti-family welfare legislation of the Great Society. “

Exactly. It destroyed Blacks and the associated taxation has destroyed our country. It has engendered a “gimme” attitude that was evidenced in Big O’s latest town hall meeting.

I’m convinced LBJ was a commie.

The Great Society/welfare program was nothing more than a vote buying plan and an organized systematic effort to get minorities and the rest of America back on the "Democrat Plantation." Obama's stimulus plan will make sure there is no way to escape from slavery for America.

9 posted on 02/15/2009 4:58:02 AM PST by Perseverando
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To: NTHockey

Correction. Josephus Daniels was Wilson’s Secretary of the Navy and yes FDR was his assistant at the Department of the Navy. Of course Wilson was a racist in own right and did not need encouragement from Daniels or anyone else.


10 posted on 02/15/2009 5:49:28 AM PST by Pamlico (Oppose 0bama at every opportunity)
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To: Girlene

The point is that almost all the Senators and Representatives from the South voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the only ones from the South to vote in favor of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 were Democrats.


11 posted on 02/15/2009 1:58:17 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz
The point is that almost all the Senators and Representatives from the South voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the only ones from the South to vote in favor of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 were Democrats.

And my point was that 108 southern Democrats voting against the Civil Rights Act far outweighs 11 Republicans. Your logic is excusing the 108 southern Democrats because the 11 (11 is a much smaller number than 108) stood united?. Allrighty.

The only reason the act was passed was the Senate Republicans. They broke the cloture.
12 posted on 02/15/2009 2:43:21 PM PST by Girlene
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To: Girlene

I would never excuse anyone, no matter what their party, for voting against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 which brought an end to Jim Crow.

However, while the vast majority of the southern Democrats voted against the Civil Rights Act 0f 1964, 100% of the southern Republicans voted against the the act.

Why do you think that was?


13 posted on 02/15/2009 2:48:46 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz

Oh, I don’t know.....maybe because they were afraid of losing their seats in the South that was predominantly Democrat and predominantly against the Civil Rights Act? Here are the numbers and percentages, Yea vs. Nay

The original House version:

Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%)
Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)
Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)
Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)
The Senate version:

Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%)
Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%)
Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%)
Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%)

Look at those numbers. 100% of Southern Republicans represented 11 votes. 93% of Southern Democrats represented 107 votes against the Civil Rights Act. If you want to slam the Southern Republicans, be my guest. My math doesn’t work that way.


14 posted on 02/15/2009 3:10:47 PM PST by Girlene
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To: Girlene

Thanks, as I said in my original post, Civil Rights was a regional issue not necessarily a party issue.

As for some of the people that voted Against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 there was:

Strom Thrumond a Democrat who switched to the Republican Party two months after the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Barry Goldwater a Republican who would lose the election for president four months after voting against the Civil Rights Act of 1964.


15 posted on 02/15/2009 3:18:53 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz

Allrighty, we’re changing the argument again. Well, that’s fine.

Senator Al Gore Sr. voted against the Civil Rights act and stayed in the Democrat party. He tried to say later it was a mistake, but his vote counted.

Senator Robert Byrd was the only Northern Democrat to vote against the act and is still a Democrat Senator today.


16 posted on 02/15/2009 3:37:45 PM PST by Girlene
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To: Girlene

Again, Civil Rights was a more of a regional issue than a party issue and moreover it was a Left-Right issue more than a party issue.

And those who opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 were on the losing side of electoral politics and of history.


17 posted on 02/15/2009 4:02:09 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: MartinaMisc

Since 1933 Republicans had a more positive record on civil rights than the Democrats.

In the 26 major civil rights votes after 1933, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80 percent of the votes. By contrast, the Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96 percent of the votes.
LINK http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/12/13/194350.shtml http://www.yale.edu/ynhti/curriculum/units/1982/3/82.03.04.x.html


18 posted on 02/15/2009 4:18:52 PM PST by anglian
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To: MartinaMisc

Jim Crow laws had its origins in the northern states; Illinois and Oregon had laws prohibiting black people from living there.


19 posted on 02/16/2009 12:52:22 PM PST by dbz77
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To: Girlene
.....11 southern Republicans did not vote in favor, as compared to 108 Southern Democrats who did not vote for the act.
At the time, there were not that many southern Republicans to begin with.
20 posted on 02/16/2009 12:54:50 PM PST by dbz77
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To: ReignOfError
The streetcar companies might have resisted segregation, but for half a century in the South no one who ran on a platform of ending or relaxing segregation could get elected dogcatcher. You can’t blame segregationist politicians and give a pass to the folks who continued to elect them.
They supported segregation for other people , not for themselves.
21 posted on 02/16/2009 1:06:05 PM PST by dbz77
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