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Police hospitalize 7-year-old under Baker Act (Against Parents Wishes)
St. Petersburg Times ^ | 15 Feb 09 | Jonathan Abel

Posted on 02/15/2009 10:30:02 PM PST by vivalaoink

LARGO — Police this week removed an unruly 7-year-old from his classroom and forced him to be hospitalized under the state's Baker Act — against the wishes of his outraged parents.

The boy spent the night alone at Morton Plant Hospital before he was seen by a child psychologist the next day and discharged.

"This is a total abuse of police power," said the boy's father, Richard Smith, 41. "My son has no mental health problems. He's never hurt himself. He's never hurt anyone else."

Smith and his wife, Barbara, said they want to consult a lawyer.

But Largo deputy police Chief John Carroll said his officers did the right thing.."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: bakeract; child; publicschool
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1 posted on 02/15/2009 10:30:02 PM PST by vivalaoink
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To: vivalaoink

Boys will be boys. Leave it to liberals to turn a simple temper tantrum into a big a thing. I’ll bet you anything it was a public school.


2 posted on 02/15/2009 10:39:10 PM PST by pleasenoobama (Liberals lied, small government died)
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To: vivalaoink

Perhaps it made enough of an impact on the boy that he won’t repeat the behavior at school.


3 posted on 02/15/2009 10:41:30 PM PST by PAR35
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To: vivalaoink

Your kids are not your own. They belong to the state. How long must the fascist tyranny be supported?


4 posted on 02/15/2009 10:48:25 PM PST by LuxMaker (The Constitution is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary, Thomas J 1819)
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To: vivalaoink

Not enough information to say, without knowing what the kid did. However, I have seen some pretty outrageous behavior by *little kids*. Of course, I think the answer is to call the parent and tell them they must take the child out of the school and they may not bring them back for a set amount of time. And after the second or third time they have to remove the child, they are done and may not come back. This may sound harsh but it is almost impossible for schools to deal with some of these out of control kids.

I would invite those who say the school over reacted (based on this article) to go and work at a public school for a year. And yes, I strongly support home schooling.


5 posted on 02/15/2009 10:51:32 PM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: LuxMaker

The parents can choose to home school. Otherwise what do you suggest the schools do with out of control children?


6 posted on 02/15/2009 10:52:26 PM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: vivalaoink

Time to homeschool....before liberals outlaw that, too.


7 posted on 02/15/2009 10:53:49 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (The Biggest Threat To American Soverignty Is Rampant Economic Anti-Americanism)
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To: brytlea

Sounds like it might have been more than just a temper tantrum.


8 posted on 02/15/2009 10:53:56 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg
It does. I doubt the school and the police would prefer not to do this sort of thing, but something made them feel it was necessary.
9 posted on 02/15/2009 11:01:00 PM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: PAR35
I was at my grandson's kindergarten class and a parent was discussing with the teacher her and her husbands total lack of control of their son. It was within earshot of the brat. I stayed with my grandson and the boy WAS out of control. It was chaos in that classroom.
The next day I went back to the classroom and there was an older substitute teacher. After the child ran around the classroom, yelling and screaming she tried to settle him down. He climbed up on the arm of a chair and proceeded to jump down on the children drawing on the mat below him. She finally had enough and took him to the office and refused to allow him back into her classroom. The other children that were acting up when he was there, settled down after the bad influence was removed. From there on, it was a learning atmosphere.
When you can't control a kindergarten age child, what will they be like when they are older?
Whose children lose out when the classroom time is devoted to trying to control obnoxious children rather than teaching?
10 posted on 02/15/2009 11:01:08 PM PST by mckenzie7 ( mohammed = 666)
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To: vivalaoink

A good spanking might solve the problem. Oh? You can’t spank your own child anymore? Okay. Then spank someone else’s child as an example to your child. He’ll get the message.

(For you youngster, this was an old “line” comedians used to tell how “hard” their lives were in the 30’s.

Example: My dad was so tough the he’s spank my older brother just to show me what I would get if I misbehaved.

Or. My dad was so tough that he spanked my brother for something I’m going to do in the future.

Now, about that Glock the kid had in his lunchbox.


11 posted on 02/15/2009 11:01:41 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: mckenzie7

well said Mck. then as soon as the little monster really goes goofy, stabs 2 classmates in the eye with a pencil or something along that line....damn. I do not condone the police coming into the school for this tho, your example of an older teacher working out the problem was def. the proper response I believe.


12 posted on 02/15/2009 11:08:18 PM PST by bobby.223
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To: brytlea
Otherwise what do you suggest the schools do with out of control children?

In the old days, the principal kept a paddle in his office if the teacher couldn't handle it in the classroom.

13 posted on 02/15/2009 11:09:08 PM PST by PAR35
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To: PAR35

Which would be an option...but isn’t.


14 posted on 02/15/2009 11:16:02 PM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: LuxMaker
How long must the fascist tyranny be supported?

As long as the sheeple allow and support it.

15 posted on 02/15/2009 11:22:58 PM PST by Just A Nobody (I *LOVE* my Attitude Problem - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: mckenzie7

I have several friends who teach kindergarten and 1st grade. They say the kids get worse every year, and most are just counting the days til they can retire. But, go to any public place and see how kids act there. It’s all I can do to hold my tongue while I watch a parent BEG their child to behave and then doing absolutely nothing with the child either ignores them or tells them no.
Case in point, I was at the PO Friday mailing a package. A man walked in with 2 kids (and his dog, why are people bringing their dogs into places like the Post Office??). At any rate, the youngest child (she looked about 5ish) ignored virtually everything her Dad asked her to do. Then she walked out of the doors into the outer part (where the post office boxes are) and could easily have walked right out the door and into the street. The Dad told the older boy (he looked about 9) to go get her. The boy refused. Dad stood there in line and kept asking the boy to get his sister. Finally, the little girl came back in on her own. She was never reprimanded for going out there. I’m sorry, but these kids are in charge. That is completely nuts. But, such are parents today. It’s no wonder kids do not behave in school. They don’t behave anywhere else either.


16 posted on 02/15/2009 11:23:13 PM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: brytlea
Otherwise what do you suggest the schools do with out of control children?

The principal's paddle served as a deterrent in my day. Bring it back.

17 posted on 02/15/2009 11:28:51 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: brytlea

My nine year old nephew acted up in a restaurant when his grandparents took him on a trip with them to the beach. His grandfather grabbed his arm at one point and swatted him hard on the buttocks, telling him to sit down, behave, and be quiet.

Some woman from a nearby table arose, approached the table and said, “I’m a social worker with the State of ———, and I’m going to call the police. You’re abusing that child!”

My nephew (a real anarchist at heart!) was delighted. His grandparents left the restaurant without dinner that night, just to avoid the cops.

THAT OUGHT TO TELL EVERYONE A DISGUSTING MESSAGE!!


18 posted on 02/15/2009 11:40:22 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!!)
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To: brytlea

Yes.


19 posted on 02/15/2009 11:41:18 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Smokin' Joe

I agree, but it’s not an option right now.


20 posted on 02/15/2009 11:43:13 PM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: PAR35

“In the old days, the principal kept a paddle in his office if the teacher couldn’t handle it in the classroom.”

And I suspect that this kid’s parents would be the first to sue...........


21 posted on 02/15/2009 11:43:55 PM PST by JoeDetweiler
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To: CindyDawg

Exactly. I was a foster mom for a time. It has to be something pretty extreme for a child to Baker Acted.


22 posted on 02/15/2009 11:44:11 PM PST by My hearts in London - Everett (Remember the 3 Rs: Respect for self; Respect for others; and Responsibility for all your actions.)
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To: SatinDoll

That may well be true, however I still see parents who actually discipline their children in public and have never seen anything like that, and in fact have never heard one personal account (except for yours) of this happening.


23 posted on 02/15/2009 11:45:04 PM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: vivalaoink

another reason not to raise a kid in florida...


24 posted on 02/15/2009 11:48:15 PM PST by malkee (Actually I'm an ex-smoker--two and a half years-- But I think about it every day.)
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To: brytlea

State of Washington. Home of “Political Correctness” personified.


25 posted on 02/15/2009 11:51:10 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!!)
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To: SatinDoll

I’m sure it’s happened. I don’t for one second think it’s the reason parents are raising out of control kids. There’s something else going on.


26 posted on 02/15/2009 11:52:08 PM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: brytlea

We later discovered the reason for the rage: his mother, my sister, had molested him for years, and let her shack-up studs physically abuse him. Poor kid!

I’ve had custody, now, for eight years. He has been going through thereapy and has been home schooled. It will be tough going, but he’ll make it. It was not his fault, and I remind him of that every day, particularly that he is a good person. The bad people only win if they make him cruel like them. He’s one of the good guys.


27 posted on 02/15/2009 11:58:47 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!!)
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To: PAR35; brytlea
In the old days, the principal kept a paddle in his office if the teacher couldn't handle it in the classroom.

I remember that.

My principal had to paddle two teachers, before the rest got the message to discipline unruly brats and maintain classroom control themselves; and only to bother him with serious problems.

28 posted on 02/16/2009 12:17:49 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: brytlea

I sat there ten years ago and witnessed my seven-year old launch into a “fit”. He literally tore up his entire room and screaming loud enough for the neighbors to think something was wrong, naturally calling the cops to my house. The cops got there fifteen minutes later and found my son in his room...tearing up the entire place. Shocked to seeing the cops standing there....he suddenly stopped (my words up until that point did nothing to halt him). In about two minutes, he had completely calmed down. Even the cops were shocked at the damage done to the room. All of this....due to him refusing to do homework. Yep, that was the entire trigger to this fit. Even the cops stood there...trying to get him to explain how refusing to do homework equals tearing up a room.

I’m guessing this kid is of the same variety. The parents may not see him as a threat today...but in three months or a year...the kid will likely demonstrate his behavior at home and they will be standing there in shock.


29 posted on 02/16/2009 12:28:10 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: ApplegateRanch
My principal had to paddle two teachers, before the rest got the message to discipline unruly brats and maintain classroom control themselves; and only to bother him with serious problems. <

Had that same thing happen here in Maine...

One teacher sued the principal....
The other married him.....*W*

30 posted on 02/16/2009 12:36:37 AM PST by M-cubed (Why is "Greshams Law" a law?)
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To: brytlea

I think out of control kids should be sent home, not sent to a psych ward.


31 posted on 02/16/2009 12:56:37 AM PST by Marie2 (Ora et labora)
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To: brytlea

Your plan doesn’t sound harsh at all. Lot’s of kids are getting out of control these days and getting away with it.


32 posted on 02/16/2009 1:04:58 AM PST by Niuhuru (Fine, here's my gun, but let me give you the bullets first. I'll send them to you through the barrel)
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To: brytlea
Otherwise what do you suggest the schools do with out of control children?

SPANK

33 posted on 02/16/2009 3:54:46 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: vivalaoink

There’s noting wrong with the boy that a little Ritalin wouldn’t cure.


34 posted on 02/16/2009 4:00:14 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Hey, Obama! Where's my check?)
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To: vivalaoink

Hopefully his parents will stop listening to Dr. Spock and now start to spank him.


35 posted on 02/16/2009 4:16:09 AM PST by BobL (Drop a comment: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2180357/posts)
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To: brytlea
When I was married and lived in South Carolina when my girls were little, a woman in the checkout line behind my family told me she was going to call child services because my husband swatted my daughters' hand for touching things while we waited in line. Never heard anything from anyone, but she spoke to me and certainly threatened it.
36 posted on 02/16/2009 7:37:41 AM PST by My hearts in London - Everett (Remember the 3 Rs: Respect for self; Respect for others; and Responsibility for all your actions.)
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To: brytlea

<I’m sorry, but these kids are in charge. That is completely nuts.

Yup. My mother, who was definitely in control of us, used to say, “I’m neither your friend, nor your peer.” I hated hearing her say that.

Suffice it to say, many years later, I found myself saying the same thing to my son. I’m not your peer, I’m your parent. My job is to take a barbarian and civilize him (he’s a FReeper, so I guess it worked). You can’t do that when you’re trying to be friends with your child.


37 posted on 02/16/2009 8:21:59 AM PST by radiohead (Buy ammo, get your kids out of government schools, pray for the Republic.)
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To: Fresh Wind
There’s noting wrong with the boy that a little Ritalin wouldn’t cure.

A 1X12 board with a handle on the end would solve it faster without doping the kid up.

38 posted on 02/16/2009 8:29:35 AM PST by Centurion2000 (01-20-2009 : The end of the PAX AMERICANA.)
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To: brytlea

Charter schools and vouchers need to be equally available for all, and taxation without representation needs to end.


39 posted on 02/16/2009 9:11:40 AM PST by LuxMaker (The Constitution is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary, Thomas J 1819)
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To: Centurion2000

Yeah, and get arrested for child abuse and have your kid taken away from you.

The liberals have a solution for everything.


40 posted on 02/16/2009 12:25:39 PM PST by Fresh Wind (Hey, Obama! Where's my check?)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

I remember comedian Pat Cooper said his father once slapped him in the face. He said, “FOR WHAT” ? To which the father replied, “IN CASE!!”


41 posted on 02/16/2009 12:31:59 PM PST by DLfromthedesert
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To: PAR35
Perhaps it made enough of an impact on the boy that he won’t repeat the behavior at school.

That's a crappy justification, at it's very best!

Damn, it was hard to write that without using curse words and a personal attack.

42 posted on 02/16/2009 12:33:52 PM PST by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)
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To: vivalaoink

Must have denied Global Warming..........


43 posted on 02/16/2009 3:54:15 PM PST by festus (Politics makes for strange bedfellows)
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To: brytlea
You've got it covered.

Don't need to add a thing, except I got whacked in junior high.

Needed it too, ha!

44 posted on 02/16/2009 7:17:41 PM PST by happygrl (BORG: Barack 0bama Resistance Group: we will not be assimilated)
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To: SatinDoll

That is so sad. If you can’t trust your parents, who can you trust?? God bless you, I know you’re doing a tough job.


45 posted on 02/17/2009 10:14:42 AM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: Marie2

I agree.


46 posted on 02/17/2009 10:16:55 AM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: Niuhuru

The problem is that many parents use public schools as free baby sitting, and so if the school kicks the kid out the parents raise a stink. It’s often difficult for the schools to hold the line and not let them back in. In addition, if the child has a disability (which can include basic behavior issues) their hands may be tied, since they cannot kick the child out for behaving in a way caused by his *disability*. The mess is not all the fault of the schools.


47 posted on 02/17/2009 10:19:54 AM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: Lion Den Dan

LOL yeah, good luck with that.


48 posted on 02/17/2009 10:20:15 AM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

I suspect that if she really did call them they either told her they had actual real problems to deal with, or they patted her on the head, thanked her, and sent her on her way.

I do remember once one of my sons took a candy bar at the grocery check out and opened it and started to eat it. He was about 3 or 4, and so he knew it was wrong, but I think he thought that if he had already opened it, I would have to give it to him. Of course, I took it from him and told the cashier that I wanted to pay for it.

She told me, Oh, no, you don’t have to pay for it, don’t worry about it. And I said, No, my son opened it and I’ll pay for it. I did, and then I ate it in front of him. He was stunned! I’m sure the people in the line thought I was an ogre, but you know what? To my knowledge that boy has not stolen anything since.

I will admit that I didn’t generally spank my children in public. Of course, they also generally behaved in public because they knew what would happen to them if they didn’t!


49 posted on 02/17/2009 10:23:53 AM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: radiohead

You had a very smart Mom! BTW I have a Freeper son as well. He was a handful growing up but he’s a very good man today! (that sounds weird, how can my little boy be a man now???!)

At any rate, if you’re their parent when they are growing up you can and probably will be friends when they are grown. I enjoy my sons a lot now, but they were hard work when they were kids!


50 posted on 02/17/2009 10:26:31 AM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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