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California's GOP lawmakers should do the budget math
LA Times ^ | 2/16/09 | George Skelton

Posted on 02/16/2009 9:30:26 AM PST by NormsRevenge

From Sacramento -- The math seems pretty simple. But apparently it's too rigorous for many Republican politicians.

To avoid raising taxes and still balance the books in Sacramento, you'd have to virtually shut down state government.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: budget; calbudget; california; goldenstate; lawmakers; math; yourtaxdollarsatwork
..shut down state government.

Based on their performance the last 10 years and especially the last 2 or 3.. that might not be a bad thing at all.

1 posted on 02/16/2009 9:30:27 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Precisely the same thought crossed my mind as I read this.


2 posted on 02/16/2009 9:33:11 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, Call 'em what you will, they ALL have Fairies livin' in their Trees.)
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To: NormsRevenge
To avoid raising taxes and still balance the books in Sacramento, you'd have to virtually shut down state government.

And??

Seriously, I'm sure the LAT thinks "shutting down state government" means cutting off medcal invitro fertilization to "qualified" individuals.

3 posted on 02/16/2009 9:35:24 AM PST by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Are they saying that like it’s a bad thing?


4 posted on 02/16/2009 9:38:54 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: NormsRevenge
OMIGOD!!!!

WHAT WOULD WE DO WITHOUT GOVERNMENT!!!


5 posted on 02/16/2009 9:39:14 AM PST by an amused spectator (Obama: Besteuerung Macht Frei)
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To: rockinqsranch

Liberals are people who flunk math and don’t take physics.
Yes,,the entitlements are killing CA, busing is killing CA, illegals are killing CA.
The question is how can we raise taxes and collect enough taxes to pay for all these entitlements and bad ideas.
People and business find ways to not pay..leave the state, go black economy, minimize taxable activities etc etc.
There just isn’t enough money to run a welfare state with open borders to the third world.


6 posted on 02/16/2009 9:39:48 AM PST by Oldexpat (Drill Here, Drill There..we must drill everywhere.)
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To: randog
Seriously, I'm sure the LAT thinks "shutting down state government" means cutting off medcal invitro fertilization to "qualified" individuals.

In-vitro to Muslims - also known as Landing Craft, Infantry...

7 posted on 02/16/2009 9:40:47 AM PST by an amused spectator (Obama: Besteuerung Macht Frei)
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To: an amused spectator

I guess we would have to blame ourselves for our inabilities to get ahead in a cold cruel world. Oh wait, WE are the gubamint.


8 posted on 02/16/2009 9:41:12 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed.)
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To: NormsRevenge

**Instead, you could eliminate virtually all state money for healthcare and social services — grants for the aged, blind and disabled, assistance for the homebound, medical care for the poor, mental health treatment, welfare. . . . No exceptions.

Of course, you’d then be turning away tons of money from Washington, which shares the costs. And you would be violating some federal laws. But there, it’s done. You’ve avoided a tax increase. What a state!**

Sounds like an excellent idea, cut out the social spending and the spending to the public schools and the state can spend more on roads, public safety, state colleges, etc. Everything that states did well for 150 years until liberals decided that social spending was the primary function of government.

Just think of what the Federal Taxpayer saves as well if we eliminate the stupid social programs.


9 posted on 02/16/2009 9:49:57 AM PST by Swiss ("Thus always to tyrants")
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To: randog

The LAT are the official media lackeys of the Left’.

The LAT advising the State govt to “do the math” when the LAT are having subscription problems/close to bankruptcy is like accepting advice from Enron executives.


10 posted on 02/16/2009 9:50:02 AM PST by max americana
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To: NormsRevenge

True, why can’t the state reduce spending? 12 Billion a year to illegal aliens, etc. All the taxes are at the national max already. Something fundamentally wrong here that increased taxes won’t fix!

***Based on their performance the last 10 years and especially the last 2 or 3.. that might not be a bad thing at all. ***


11 posted on 02/16/2009 10:07:07 AM PST by msnpatriot
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To: NormsRevenge

To avoid raising taxes and still balance the books in Sacramento, you’d have to virtually shut down state government.

And the problem is...?


12 posted on 02/16/2009 10:11:24 AM PST by DPMD (~)
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To: msnpatriot
2 3 words, unions and voters and illegals..,

Unions.. providing services and workers.. to voters who can't read or write.. add in escalator clauses, entitlements, unfunded mandates, backdoor boksheesh.. deep-pocketed, selectively-blind politicos in both parties .. and pretty much a general deterioration of society as a whole.

I don't know, why can't they reduce spending? ;-)

13 posted on 02/16/2009 10:12:51 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Just close all the government indoctrination centers (public schools) and the budget would be balanced.


14 posted on 02/16/2009 10:14:57 AM PST by dalereed
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To: NormsRevenge
Send this vile Leftist a message .
Enough of this “state of fear” propaganda from the Obama / DNC state run media .

george.skelton@latimes.com

15 posted on 02/16/2009 10:16:46 AM PST by ncalburt (Read all about)
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To: NormsRevenge

There is something that EVERY city, county, state and ESPECIALLY the US gubmint should do right now: budgeting!

So, instead of seriously looking at dropping costs, they want to break it down into thirds: 1/3 budgeting, 1/3 new loans (which won’t work because the state can’t get a loan at a decent rate - so this becomes MORE taxes) and 1/3 tax increases! They should be doing AT LEAST 50% budgeting - and simply cut back until it HURTS!

Then people will see where the problems are - just like us regular people that get up and go to work EVERY SINGLE DAY! When you or I do not have enough money to make our weekly/monthly bills - we are REQUIRED to prioritize and CUT spending. We MUST limit the money going out, because we cannot just “increase” our income.


16 posted on 02/16/2009 10:16:47 AM PST by ExTxMarine (For whatsoe'ver their sufferings were before; that change they covet makes them suffer more. -Dryden)
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To: Swiss

“you could eliminate virtually all state money for healthcare and social services — grants for the aged, blind and disabled, assistance for the homebound, medical care for the poor, mental health treatment, welfare. . . . No exceptions.”

None of those should ever have been started!


17 posted on 02/16/2009 10:18:14 AM PST by dalereed
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To: NormsRevenge
Let me see if I have this right. The Democrat-controlled legislature spends and spends and spends until it has spent more than $42 billion than it expects to take in. Rather than cut government to the bone which is what any reasonable person would do, Skelton is upset that no Republican will vote to raise taxes $42 billion?

I wonder why Mr. Skelton doesn't donate half his pay to the state of California. If he and all the limousine liberals from California would do, the state of California would be rolling in dough...for a year until the liberals in the legislature spent more money.

Shut down the state of California. I suspect most people would be surprised at how little a difference they would actually see in their day-to-day lives.

18 posted on 02/16/2009 10:18:32 AM PST by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: NormsRevenge

Don’t tempt me, George. Just don’t.


19 posted on 02/16/2009 10:19:15 AM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: Oldexpat

“...and don’t take physics.”

I know what you meant by that, but the word “constipation” flashed through my brain as I read your words.

It would only make sense if you know that old joke about the part of the body that leads them versus their brain.

It’s not a joke one repeats at a family site such as FR., so I won’t.


20 posted on 02/16/2009 10:22:46 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, Call 'em what you will, they ALL have Fairies livin' in their Trees.)
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To: randog

Scared is a symptom of term limits, when legislators aren’t around long enough to gather political self-confidence and standing;All are just working for reelection to hell with reason and the people.


21 posted on 02/16/2009 10:43:46 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: NormsRevenge

[To avoid raising taxes and still balance the books in Sacramento, you’d have to virtually shut down state government.]

Did the math. Looks fine to me.


22 posted on 02/16/2009 10:49:22 AM PST by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

I stand strong with Mr. Skelton. Yes, we need to raise taxes so that it hurts. Let’s save Kaleefornia. My plan though, is to send a tax form to all Democrats and have them check a box agreeing to a tax increase. Then, they pay the additional taxes based upon how many forms are returned. They talk the talk, let them walk the walk.


23 posted on 02/16/2009 11:07:57 AM PST by Enterprise (A Representative Republic - gone now. Foolish people.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Actually, it is apparent that George Skelton can't do the math.

Californicateistan is over the top on the curve. Each increase in tax and/or regulation increases spending and reduces tax collections. The ONLY way to save the state from Soviet Union or Zimbabwe syndrome, is to CUT spending massively.

The worst narcotic addiction for a people is that of government spending for the populace to feel good. Withdrawal often results in death, continued addiction always results in death.

24 posted on 02/16/2009 11:19:02 AM PST by Navy Patriot (John McCain, the Manchurian Candidate, makes a Marxist President.)
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To: NormsRevenge
George "Slumberin" Skelton is a lefty. The GOP is not obligated to enable the Democrats' spending addiction. How they resolve that is THEIR problem. Higher taxes should not be part of a budget solution for which the GOP should vote. It needs to be taken OFF the table!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

25 posted on 02/16/2009 11:37:47 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: randog
Shutting it down is a good idea. I don't think any one but the Democrats and the parasitical class who vote for them would really miss it!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

26 posted on 02/16/2009 11:39:32 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: NormsRevenge

This is all playing out as a pleasant surprise to me. At last, the GOP has found sufficient backbone to blow up a corrupt and irreparable state government. I look forward to watching the consquences rain down on the Coalition of Shakedown Artists and “diversity” adovcates who spoiled a once wonderful state. State employees, welfare cheats, teachers, illegals — you’re all about to get what you deserve: NOTHING. With a little luck PERS and STRS will be dismantled and the full vaue of both funds (including the employees’ “share”) will fund tax credits to those who actually contribute something to the state’s economy. Now that’s the sort of wealth redistribution I can get behind!


27 posted on 02/16/2009 11:45:55 AM PST by libsmacker75
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To: libsmacker75
Just hold the line on taxes. If the Democrats don't want to cut spending and they want the state to run out of money, that's not the GOP's problem. There are worse things in life than outright bankruptcy.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

28 posted on 02/16/2009 11:49:11 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Skelton is red to the core. The good news is that the more the LA Slimes puts him forward, the more paying subscribers and advertisers are driven away.


29 posted on 02/16/2009 11:49:32 AM PST by libsmacker75
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To: goldstategop

My thought is that if the state goes into default, the bondholders will be first in line to get paid. That would leave out in the cold the pernicious elements such as the tenured leftists—sometimes known as teachers—who should get nada. Same goes for the welfare cheats and cucarachas. As for the prisons, hand ‘em over to the California Guard and tell the Prisoners’ Rights people to f*** themselves, ideally with a carefully written SLAPP suit.

At the end of the day we might actually end up rehabilitating this once great state.


30 posted on 02/16/2009 11:56:18 AM PST by libsmacker75
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To: an amused spectator

Prosper?


31 posted on 02/16/2009 12:01:55 PM PST by libsmacker75
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To: NormsRevenge

Didn’t this state recently legislate higher spending on embryonic stem cell research, and auto fuel requirements, and minimum wage and health benefits, yada yada yada in the face of these same looming deficits? How do such spenders continue to get elected and then face no accountability in the media? In fact, those who warned of the stupidity of mounting spending are excoriated by the press for their intransigence.


32 posted on 02/16/2009 12:02:42 PM PST by Sgt_Schultze
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To: libsmacker75
Prosper?

Oh, sure! If you withhold from Our Leaders their Rightful Due, how will Obama buy $100 a pound steak? How will Eliot Spitzer be able to afford hookers? Where will Kwame Kilpatrick find the scratch for his bling? AND, Al Franken & Marion Barry might end up actually paying their taxes!

What kind of heartless monster are you!?! For shame!

33 posted on 02/16/2009 12:27:07 PM PST by an amused spectator (Obama: Besteuerung Macht Frei)
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To: an amused spectator

You’re right. I’m heartless and despicable.

And proud of it!! ;>


34 posted on 02/16/2009 12:28:57 PM PST by libsmacker75
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To: an amused spectator

More to ponder...

What will become of all the Tenured Radicals (sometimes known as teachers) if they’re not paid to fill young peoples’ minds with socialist garbage and “diversity” myth?

And what becomes of those tens of thousands of sleep experimentation subjects, aka state workers, who for the first time in their adult lives will have to be productive?


35 posted on 02/16/2009 12:39:33 PM PST by libsmacker75
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To: NormsRevenge
To avoid raising taxes and still balance the books in Sacramento, you'd have to virtually shut down state government.

Then clearly the government of California is spending too much money, has overextended itself, and needs to revise its working premise of providing a massive social safety net to millions upon millions of people.

No...wait a minute, it's all Republicans fault. They won't demand more from the taxpayer. Those greedy so and so's.

36 posted on 02/16/2009 1:15:40 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: ncalburt

Just sent him this:

You are quoted as saying that “To avoid raising taxes and still balance the books in Sacramento, you’d have to virtually shut down state government.” and you seem to be trying to make it sound like a bad thing. Why is that? Why does government always have to grow, AT MY EXPENSE, while I am struggling to make ends meet? Why does government seem to think that it has first claim to MY wallet, while the contents of said wallet are shrinking already due to the economy? Why are you shilling for this government?

I’d surely appreciate hearing from you as to why you apparently seem to think that I should suffer more while making sure that your buddies in government, who are largely responsible for the current economic conditions, should make out like bandits at MY expense.

DC Wright
USMC Retired


37 posted on 02/16/2009 1:25:03 PM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: NormsRevenge
...you'd have to virtually shut down state government.

Try just shutting off ALL the bennies to illegals.

38 posted on 02/16/2009 2:10:45 PM PST by jimt
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To: libsmacker75
Just wait'll the Tenured Radicals get a load of their TIAA-CREF statements at the end of this year.

I'm thinking they'll be somewhat disenchanted with The One...

sleep experimentation subjects

LOL! Truer words... :-)

39 posted on 02/16/2009 8:22:14 PM PST by an amused spectator (Obama: Besteuerung Macht Frei)
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