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Abstinence is unrealistic, says the daughter of Sarah Palin
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Posted on 02/17/2009 6:27:05 PM PST by Sub-Driver

Abstinence is unrealistic, says the daughter of Sarah Palin

From correspondents in Los Angeles

Agence France-Presse

February 18, 2009 11:09am

THE daughter of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin has spoken out against teenage pregnancy, but says her famous mother's advocacy of abstinence is unrealistic.

Unmarried Bristol Palin's pregnancy became a US presidential election campaign talking point last year after her mother was announced as John McCain's running mate.

Bristol, 18, later gave birth to a baby boy in December.

Speaking about the birth of Tripp to Fox News, Bristol Palin said she now hoped to become an advocate against teen pregnancy.

"Everyone should wait 10 years," Bristol said.

"I hope people learn from my story - It's so much easier if you're married, have a house and career. It's not a situation you want to strive for."

"I'd love to be an advocate to prevent teen pregnancy. Kids should just wait. It's not glamorous at all," she added.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.com.au ...


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1 posted on 02/17/2009 6:27:06 PM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

posted 22 times today.


2 posted on 02/17/2009 6:27:42 PM PST by omega4179 (1.20.13 end of an error , a big one.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Well, if you are living in your parents house and rules and are just a kid, it is not unrealistic. It should be enforced 100%


3 posted on 02/17/2009 6:28:50 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: nahanrac

LOL..I agree. (just kiddin...you teenagers keep it zipped up already)


4 posted on 02/17/2009 6:31:19 PM PST by lilycicero (Hey I just have to get through Lent)
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To: omega4179

As long as I’ve been here - and I know it’s not as long as you - it’s seemed to be accepted that posting different articles from different sources are not duplicates - only if the same article is posted. Different articles can sometimes give different perspectives on the same story.


5 posted on 02/17/2009 6:31:52 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: Sub-Driver
Well, when I am around Sarah Palin I somehow begin to think abstinence is unrealistic too, but then the further away I get from Sarah Palin, the more abstinence seems quite workable.

I an having a difficult time figuring how this works!

6 posted on 02/17/2009 6:31:56 PM PST by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, ( member NRA)
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To: Sub-Driver

I still want to know when she intends to get married. Poor Sarah to have this kind of problem. I’ve heard some real stupid people blame Sarah for this girl’s problem pregnancy. She should either get married, and show some respect for herself and the baby, or give it up for adoption.

The media just loves this.


7 posted on 02/17/2009 6:32:48 PM PST by laweeks
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To: Sub-Driver
I hope that Bristol learns about Natural Family Planning. It's a method that really works. Not your mom's old rhythm.

NFP — It Ain’t Your Momma’s Rhythm
Responsible Parenthood in a Birth Control Culture, Part Two [Open]
Responsible Parenthood in a Birth Control Culture, Part One [Open]

Contraception v. Natural Family Planning — Part 5 of 6 [Open]
Journey to the Truth (Natural Family Planning) [Open]
Enslaving Women One Pill at a Time (Birth Control Pills and Natural Family Planning)
New Study Shows Natural Family Planning Technique More “Effective” Than Contraception
Fargo) Diocese set to require pre-marriage course in natural family planning

Making Babies: A Very Different Look at Natural Family Planning
Clerical Contraception (Important Read! By Fr. Thomas J. Euteneuer)
(Fargo) Diocese set to require pre-marriage course in natural family planning
Natural Family Planning Awareness Week, July 25, 2004
IS NATURAL FAMILY PLANNING A 'HERESY'? (Trads, please take note)

Thanks Doc: More (and Younger) Doctors Support Natural Family Planning
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Natural Family Planning

8 posted on 02/17/2009 6:33:38 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Candor7
LOL, that wommin could make me a cheater.
9 posted on 02/17/2009 6:33:40 PM PST by Jolla
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To: Sub-Driver

Excrement from the bovine species.

I heard the interview and she didn’t exactly say that. But if she did, SO WHAT??? I’m not voting for her for President and Reagan had a REAL renagade leftist for a son.


10 posted on 02/17/2009 6:33:59 PM PST by ZULU (The Obamanation of Desolation stands here. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: Candor7

LOL


11 posted on 02/17/2009 6:35:05 PM PST by Free Descendant (Palin Power!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Easy for a girl who didn’t practice abstinence to say abstinence is unreasonable. Sex is a choice. Period. There are those who do, in fact, wait until they are married. And while the character it takes to do this seems to be getting much more rare, it is possible.


12 posted on 02/17/2009 6:35:05 PM PST by TheBattman (Pray for our country....)
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To: pissant
Well, if you are living in your parents house and rules and are just a kid, it is not unrealistic. It should be enforced 100%

It's not unrealistic even if you're on your own! Where do people get this idea? You'd think we're a bunch of animals who have no control over what we do! I'm sick of hearing this!

13 posted on 02/17/2009 6:35:17 PM PST by cantfindagoodscreenname (One man's tingle is another man's chill...)
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To: laweeks

Why should she give up the baby for adoption? Because she’s not married? Seems to me that baby already has a loving family, regardless of whether the parents are married.


14 posted on 02/17/2009 6:35:34 PM PST by psjones (u)
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To: Sub-Driver

I posted this in another thread, but I think it belongs here too.

I teach in a very well regarded Catholic secondary school in Australia - a Jesuit school (generally regarded as one of the top two Catholic schools in the country - alongside its brother school in Sydney, and one of the twenty or so top schools in general).

They stress abstinence as the best way for their students. The ideal choice. The choice they hope they’ll all make, and the choice they expect them to take. The boys are left in no doubt of what is and isn’t expected of them.

And then they get on to the practicalities. As a non-Catholic I was rather surprised the first time I encountered it, but they tell the boys all about contraception and how to use it if they decide to have sex. I’ve heard one of the Priests put it pretty simply.

“If you’re having sex before you are married, then you’re committing a sin. What I’d say to you is this - if you’re going to sin, then sin safely.”

In my role as a tutor at the school I have personal pastoral responsibility for 16 boys. I’d always urge them to wait in the strongest terms I can (partly because I believe it’s the right thing to do, partly because it’s my job to help reinforce the message of the school, and partly because I know in most cases their parents want them to wait and I try to back parents) - but I’ve also directed boys to contraception in cases where it’s clear that I’m not going to convince them abstinence is the right choice. I don’t want them having sex - but I want them getting a girl pregnant far less.


15 posted on 02/17/2009 6:37:07 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: cantfindagoodscreenname

When you are an adult and you move out of your parents house, you can make your own decisions as such an adult. When you are living by your parents rules, then you live by your parents rules. Not hard to understand.


16 posted on 02/17/2009 6:37:18 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: psjones

“Why should she give up the baby for adoption? Because she’s not married? “

Absolutely . . . the baby is NOT Sarah’s problem. Any and all babies deserve to be raised in a nuclear family headed by married parents . . . I can’t budge on that . . . that’s the root of a civilized society. If she’s that selfish to get pregnant to begin with, then she should give the baby to any one of the hundreds of thousands of married couples who want children.

I agree with Ann Coulter who feels that we’ve gotten to casual about unmarried parents. Why in the world hasn’t she gotten married? Or was this a campaign charade?


17 posted on 02/17/2009 6:38:28 PM PST by laweeks
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To: Sub-Driver

Compare the Bristol’s quotes in the article posted in this thread to those that appeared in this article posted on FR earlier :

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2187811/posts

I love how AP chose the “ditzy” version :-)! Rotten pigs.


18 posted on 02/17/2009 6:40:53 PM PST by edh (I need a better tagline)
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To: omega4179
posted 22 times today.

And yes, it is unrealistic. The only thing that kept me celibate in my teen years was acne and a lack of confidence.

19 posted on 02/17/2009 6:41:33 PM PST by Paul Heinzman ("Begin at the beginning and go on till you come to the end; then stop.")
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To: laweeks

So what does a person do if their wife or husband dies and they wind up a single parent?

Look - I agree that in an ideal world, the best situation is two loving, married, parents. But we don’t always get ideal situations - and one loving parent is a lot better than two who don’t care.

I’m sensitive to this because I was orphaned at nine and (briefly) wound up a ward of the state before being taking in a rather unorthodox way by people who cared for me and loved me and gave me a huge amount of support - and who had to fight the courts on more than one occasion to be allowed to do it, because it wasn’t the norm. And I know other kids who wound up being adopted into nuclear families and while for some of them it was wonderful, for some of them it really wasn’t. It’s not always simple.


20 posted on 02/17/2009 6:43:30 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: Salvation
NFP may be beneficial — I'm not being sarcastic — but Bristol Palin needs to get married ASAP, certainly before she has to worry (again) about avoiding pregnancy!
21 posted on 02/17/2009 6:45:59 PM PST by utahagen
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To: laweeks

From what I saw on Greta’s show last night...she DOES have a loving family who are helping tremendously, HOWEVER...I do NOT understand why she and the Father do NOT get married....NOW. What the heck are they waiting for? A Justice of the Peace could make it happen very quickly.


22 posted on 02/17/2009 6:46:41 PM PST by goodnesswins (Conservative and fighting for freedom and liberty....whether you like it or not.)
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To: goodnesswins

Heck, the Minister at their Church could also make it happen quickly.


23 posted on 02/17/2009 6:47:37 PM PST by goodnesswins (Conservative and fighting for freedom and liberty....whether you like it or not.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Sometimes good people make bad decisions, especially when they are young. Not many here could say they made it through their youth without making a few bad choices. Many decisions with little or no consequences, some with bigger and life changing consequences. Cut the girl some slack.

And as we all know, when we were young we knew infinitely more then our parents. They just didn’t understand. ;-)


24 posted on 02/17/2009 6:47:51 PM PST by doc1019
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To: naturalman1975

“So what does a person do if their wife or husband dies and they wind up a single parent?”

Look, that’s different. And you know it is. This daughter of Sarah Palin is NOT a widow, nor is the father a widower. They both consciously got themselves “pregnant,” dawdled through her mother’s campaign “thinking” about getting married, and are now boring me with their not getting married.

Perfect examples of people who should give up the baby. Their both unfit parents. Sarah might be a great grandmother (and I believe that she’d be so), but her daughter, in my book, is a disgrace to Sarah and common decency. What’s stopping her (and what HAS stopped her) from getting married? Nothing that we know of. Give up the baby . . .


25 posted on 02/17/2009 6:48:38 PM PST by laweeks
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To: laweeks
So let's go after children of divorce too.

Do you condone, then, the State going after single parents and forcing them to give up their children- like they're now doing in the UK?

26 posted on 02/17/2009 6:50:59 PM PST by rintense (Go Israel!)
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To: omega4179

Just got here, glad it was posted again … seldom have time to review all the post for the day. ;-)


27 posted on 02/17/2009 6:52:28 PM PST by doc1019
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To: laweeks
So, again, marriage makes someone a fit parent? If that's so, why are there so many screwed up kids in the world- a lot of which come from a two parent family?

I love how because someone isn't married, and even though both parents are involved in raising a child, they are automatically unfit because there's no ring on the finger.

28 posted on 02/17/2009 6:52:43 PM PST by rintense (Go Israel!)
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To: laweeks

Sarah doesn’r have a problem, people like you do!


29 posted on 02/17/2009 6:53:08 PM PST by dalereed
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To: naturalman1975

“I’m sensitive to this because I was orphaned at nine and (briefly) wound up a ward of the state”

I was given up for adoption at birth . . . I’ve been there . . . I was adopted in the 40s into a nuclear family . . . . I adopted my daughter . . . she’s been there . . . and now she and her husband are trying to adopt a baby.

But . . . she has to go to RUSSIA to adopt because HERE IN AMERICA THERE ARE NO INFANTS IN ANY ORPHANAGE TO ADOPT BECAUSE WE EITHER K-I-L-L THEM IN ABORTUARIES OR WE K-E-E-P THEM in single-parent homes. KILL THEM OR KEEP THEM. So, my daughter and her great husband are going to spent over $40 thousand dollars and are going through reams of bureaucratic crap to adopt a baby from ANOTHER COUNTRY.

Because we’re KILLING THEM OR KEEPING THEM! It gets me mad, as you’ve probably figured out by now.


30 posted on 02/17/2009 6:54:01 PM PST by laweeks
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To: laweeks; TigersEye

Why should she give her baby up for adoption? That baby will have plenty of love & be taken care of. Seems to me that it is not our business to tell Bristol what to do with her baby. Marriage isn’t the answer for all teen pregnancies. I am sure she will do what is best for herself & her baby.


31 posted on 02/17/2009 7:07:31 PM PST by pandoraou812 (Don't play leapfrog with a unicorn! ...........^............)
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To: Twink

You need to read this.


32 posted on 02/17/2009 7:12:36 PM PST by pandoraou812 (Don't play leapfrog with a unicorn! ...........^............)
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To: Sub-Driver

Nice that this was the take-away from that really lovely interview Greta did with her last night. Not that she wished she’d waited TEN years, not that it was so terribly difficult being a mom and a high school student — no, only that ‘abstinence is not very realistic’ given todays high schoolers.

So, I don’t expect a lot of wisdom or clear-thinking from a 17 year old, especially one who is most likely half-crazed from lack of sleep and from being blasted into the next phase of her life so quickly.

I thot that Bristol was well-spoken and thoughtful, very honest and forthright. Amazingly stupid that they focused on this one thing.


33 posted on 02/17/2009 7:18:26 PM PST by bboop (obama, little o, not a Real God)
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To: laweeks

You gotta be kidding? She should give away her baby because?


34 posted on 02/17/2009 7:19:55 PM PST by Twink
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To: Sub-Driver
Yeah, real unrealistic.

I know quite a few teens, present company included, who did abstain....and it wasn't that hard.

Watching the emotional fallout from the girls who got used...and the cocky callousness that developed in the boys who used them turned me OFF to that whole teenage sex thing.

35 posted on 02/17/2009 7:24:34 PM PST by Lizavetta
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To: pissant
When you are an adult and you move out of your parents house, you can make your own decisions as such an adult. When you are living by your parents rules, then you live by your parents rules. Not hard to understand.

Agreed!

36 posted on 02/17/2009 7:25:08 PM PST by cantfindagoodscreenname (One man's tingle is another man's chill...)
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To: laweeks
I agree with you absolutely that more unmarried singles should be encouraged to give up their children for adoption. They can't even adequately and properly support themselves, let alone children. Many of these young single women, get on the welfare roles, with their children, for years at taxpayers expense, when there is an abundance of married couples willing and able to adopt.

Ann Coulter nails it in her book. It's all backwards and very wrong. This has been one of my pet peeves for years, since working as a Probation Officer and witnessing this kind of thing up front and in person.

37 posted on 02/17/2009 7:25:36 PM PST by TAdams8591 (When Obama FAILS, America SUCCEEDS.)
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To: TheBattman; 50mm

As a person who waited til marriage, big freakin deal. My husband didn’t wait until marriage and he’s the best person I know.

As someone who did practice abstinence, it ain’t easy. Have you never been in the heat of the moment? I seriously wonder how some of you have grown up. I had the best parents a child could ask for but I sure as hell wasn’t perfect. My husband could be considered a manwhore if we look at his teenage/college years. It’s not his parent’s fault just like it aint’ my parents fault for the mistakes I made as a teen.


38 posted on 02/17/2009 7:26:13 PM PST by Twink
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To: laweeks
Because we’re KILLING THEM OR KEEPING THEM! It gets me mad, as you’ve probably figured out by now.

I am sorry your daughter can't adopt an American baby. I have cousins & friends who have been able to adopt through ads single mothers put in the newspaper. Or ads they put up asking for a baby. I don't believe in abortion but I also don't think every single woman or teenage girl should give her child up for adoption. Mistakes are made by teens & I know many grandparents who are more then happy to keep that child in their family & support it. I don't think it is selfish to want to keep a child in the family. I would not have a problem raising a grandchild.

39 posted on 02/17/2009 7:27:46 PM PST by pandoraou812 (Don't play leapfrog with a unicorn! ...........^............)
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To: laweeks

Give me a break! No one is entitled to her child or anyone’s child, just because they can’t have their own kids.


40 posted on 02/17/2009 7:28:31 PM PST by Twink
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To: pandoraou812

Well said and thank you for saying it.


41 posted on 02/17/2009 7:30:55 PM PST by Twink
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To: bboop

My 17 YO Wasilla residing daughter has no trouble with abstinence, and her friends do just fine with that practice also.

We expect that from her, and she’s respected that view. If she didn’t, or something came up (we are talking teenagers here) alternate methods are available in abundance. Gnomeling and I did have a talk after Bristol turned up pregnant, and I just verifed that a trip to the school nurse will yield condoms. Failing that, there is a “hospitality bowl” in the restroom at the Public Health facility.

Gnomeling and Rush both come to the same conclusion-abstinence does work 100% of the time. It’s when you don’t practice it correctly that the problems start.


42 posted on 02/17/2009 7:33:04 PM PST by Gnomad
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To: TAdams8591

And in many families, family takes care of family, you know, like it was before welfare and government help. It would be a cold day in hell before I’d allow my blood to be given away to strangers. Some of these posts act like it’s the duty of unwed mothers to provide babies for those who can’t have their own. How sick is that?

I have no problem with adoption as long as the birth parents choose to give up their baby for adoption. A couple unable to have their own biological kids have no right/entitlement to another’s child.


43 posted on 02/17/2009 7:36:27 PM PST by Twink
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To: Sub-Driver
Unfortunately, Bristol's right. In today's culture which promotes teenage sexuality, preaching abstinence is like spitting into the wind, unlike 40 or 50 years ago when society discouraged teenagers, as well as unmarried adults from being sexually active and supported abstinence.

And yet, since the legalization of birth control and abortion, the number of children born out of wedlock has sky rocketed, so that clearly isn't the answer in 2009 (or ever),either.

Thus, until the sexual revolution reverses, the only message to give children is the moral message: abstinence. Maybe if we say it loud, and long and frequently, it will be heard and followed by greater numbers of young people.

44 posted on 02/17/2009 7:37:57 PM PST by TAdams8591 (When Obama FAILS, America SUCCEEDS.)
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To: bboop

Time was, when 17-year-old “girls” were women, with husbands, homes, children - and more maturity and responsibility than to be whiling away their young lives at the mall. And “boys” were young men, with skills and trades with which to provide for their wives and families, not stuck in some “school” and herded from class to useless class.

Our modern world concocted this “adolescence” thing out of thin air, thereby artificially prolonging childhood and postponing adulthood well into the 20s (and beyond, for some folks!)

Abstinence ought not to be such a burden on young adults. God (or Nature, if you wish) provided for us a healthy, wholesome, legitimate and honorable outlet for our sexual desires. It’s called marriage, and it doesn’t need to be postponed like we do.


45 posted on 02/17/2009 7:39:26 PM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Twink

No problem. In my family adoption would have been unheard of unless it was to someone in our family. We were taught to take care of our own & it still is that way in my mind. I love children & took in 2 boys who aren’t mine but they are now. They are now in their 20’s and did just fine. It was a zoo for awhile with four boys & one girl but when I look back I find many wonderful & funny memories.


46 posted on 02/17/2009 7:41:27 PM PST by pandoraou812 (Don't play leapfrog with a unicorn! ...........^............)
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To: Twink
I don't agree it's a duty to give up a child for adoption, rather that in most instances it's the more responsible thing to do, and also in most instances better for the child than being raised by a single parent on welfare.

If families want to care for these children, it is certainly their business. But it is not my duty or my business or my responsibility or that of any taxpayer, to be forced into paying to raise, and feed and clothe these children, many of whom are brought into the world for that very purpose (to get mommy some free cash), also sickening, and in some cases, obscene.

Furthermore, today's situation is so bizarre, that young single motherhood, is becoming both equal in number and stature to married couple parenthood. As if one of those choices is as good as the other...it isn't.

The two best options, in most cases are to either get married and raise the child, or give the child up for adoption.

47 posted on 02/17/2009 7:55:25 PM PST by TAdams8591 (When Obama FAILS, America SUCCEEDS.)
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To: TAdams8591; Twink
The two best options, in most cases are to either get married and raise the child, or give the child up for adoption.

Why? If Twink & I are able & willing to raise our grandchild why should we let some stranger raise our blood? Not all adoptive parents are good parents. Many are wonderful but I remember a case in NJ where a adoptive mother killed her 2 sons because she didn't really want them, her husband did. It was many years ago but I remember thinking how sad it was.

48 posted on 02/17/2009 8:09:33 PM PST by pandoraou812 (Don't play leapfrog with a unicorn! ...........^............)
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To: pandoraou812

I grew up in a family with all boys, I was the baby, youngest and a girl. Plus, we had other family members living with us. It was crowded for sure.

We were also taught to take care of our own. It’s a given.


49 posted on 02/17/2009 8:10:59 PM PST by Twink
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To: laweeks

I am sure that it is difficult, both being adopted, and trying to adopt a child. The hassle to adopt from Russia or other countries is a pain, and I am sure that it has been tough on your daughter.

All this being said, you seem to be confusing what is best for the child, with what is best for those trying to adopt. There are actually plenty of infants here in the US to adopt, but they are not white. It is not the responsibility of Bristol Palin, or other teenage moms, to give up their babies, so that there are babies in the US to adopt. Adoption is a great option for single mothers, who don’t feel that they can provide for their babies. It is not their responsibility, nor is it always the best choice. There are plenty of lousy adoptive parents out there.

Bristol’s baby appears to be loved and cared for by a large, extended family. They are not poor, and have plenty of resources to care for the baby. Most importantly, she loves this baby, and has sacrificed a lot to keep him. They made a mistake, and are trying to do the right thing. They shouldn’t have to give up the baby they love.


50 posted on 02/17/2009 8:14:14 PM PST by ga medic
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