Skip to comments.Revelation, Speculation, and Science
Posted on 02/18/2009 9:17:16 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
Revelation, Speculation, and Science
by Dr. Greg Bahnsen
February 18, 2009
It is one of those embarrassing historical ironies that modern science could not have arisen except in the atmosphere of a Christian world-and-life view. Nevertheless, the scientific community today persists in playing the prodigal by assuming an antagonistic stance against the Christianity of divine revelation. Hypnotized by Darwins evolutionary scheme and enchanted with the products of scientific technology, modern man has granted science a secularized godship and bows before it in fetish idolatry.
The pitting of science against revelation is certainly odd. For, a certain state of affairs is needed for the scientific endeavor to be meaningful or fruitful. The scientist must believe that the state of affairs is conducive to science, or he would not venture into the scientific enterprise. He must believe that there is a world of things and processes that can be known and that he himself sustains a relationship to this world that allows him to know these objects and events. But then, what reason can the scientist give for his belief that the state of affairs is actually conducive to science? Why is the world such as it is and not otherwise?
The Predicament for Science...
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Except for the 100 + places where it says that evolution didn't happen, and the places where the Lord himself confirms the six day creation. Other than that, and most of the Bible, you're good to go.
Terry Cook has a collection of mammoth femurs that are fully mineral, along with tusks, and petrified wood, all from the same excavation in the former Parachini Ranch, along Hillcrest Avenue in Antioch.
The "Limestone Cowboy" exhibit of a cowboy boot manufactured in 1949 or 1950, filled with a fully fossilized foot and lower leg, has been viewed by close to 100,000 visitors, and examined by paleontologists and chemists. Do you attempt to hand wave that also?
Looks like you hit a nerve with this one.
I dont think Ive ever seen them hijack a thread so fast in my years on FR.
Nope, no nerve hit. Just a lot of Freepers who are tired of the endless spam from certain people promoting really, really bad pseudo-scientific articles that make Christians look like fools.
Yes, because Augustine was directly refering to "old Earthers" when he penned that. He detested their willful ignorance.
No, he wasn’t. He was referring to those who upheld the steady-state model of the uncreated universe, which denied the necessity of a Creator.
Um, I wouldn't be so quick to jump on the Limestone Cowboy bandwagon. It is lame at best and another Young-Earth Creationist dirty trick at worst.. Look at the picture -- do they look like human bones? It's obvious from looking at them that they're not even fossilized.
I live less than 90 minutes from the dinosaur tracks at Glen Rose and I saw the boot 10 years or so ago. I was unimpressed. The "creationist museum" there is a joke. I don't know if they even still exhibit the boot.
Yes, we are tired of you and your dishonest ilk. Attempting to twist the words of Augustine 180 degrees in reverse shows your character in limelight, but evolution doesn't even rise to the level of psuedo-science; its pure religion.
Now all you need is a cache of fully intact, unmineralized dinosaur bones, and perhaps some unmineralized trilobites, and you'll have something.
Rapid mineralization isn't the problem. It's the total pattern.
I’ve been to the Glen Rose “museum” as well—”side show” is a better description of the place.
We’re really tired of your lies and distortion here, but your cliam of being a Christian turns them to blasphemy.
Posting links to sites that are known for the production of propaganda really ices your cake.
What a weather vane you are!
Contradict yourself as often as you like.
“Um, I wouldn’t be so quick to jump on the Limestone Cowboy bandwagon...”
Yet another YEC Piltdown Man!
Thanks for setting the record straight. Augustine seems to have held to the notion of a 6,000 year-old in some of his writings, yet in City of God calls the days of creation difficult or perhaps impossible to conceive:"But simultaneously with time the world was made, if in the world's creation change and motion were created, as seems evident from the order of the first six or seven days. For in these days the morning and evening are counted, until, on the sixth day, all things which God then made were finished, and on the seventh the rest of God was mysteriously and sublimely signalized. What kind of days these were it is extremely difficult, or perhaps impossible for us to conceive, and how much more to say!" (City of God, Book 11: Chapt. 6).
Regardless of his views, we do not that Augustine did not suffer fools lightly and was not afraid of God's revelation through his creation.
Ahh... as you ding into the bag of tricks of your fellow deceivers to offer a false allusion.
If we could harness your spin, we could drill deep wells for free.
I haven't linked to propaganda sites like Answers in Genesis.
Blasphemy is a pretty strong term. As I said before, if you were capable of discussing this article on its intellectual merits, you would.
Speaking of deceivers, do you remember the human tracks supposedly found near Glen Rose, Texas? They don't even look human, but Young Earth Creationists jumped on them like a duck on a June bug as proof for a young earth.
I'm so old that the first time we sent to see the dinosaur tracks, an old farmer opened a fence in a barbed wire gate to let us in and charged us about 4 bucks. The place has certainly changed since the mid- to late-sixties.
Thanks for the ping!
Thanks for the ping!
If there was any question about certain people organizing disruptive activities, there certainly isn’t now.
That’s alright- their disruptions just show a desperation on their part to Deny God and to try to justify it by shouting loud enough that they can’t hear that still small voice- let em shout- it’s al l they’ve got- their posts speak volumes, and peopel iwll see for themselves how the only hting these oflks have to ‘defend’ their denials, is offensive behaviour
Organized disruption between 2-3+ DC’ers starts around post 4.
I havent contradicted myself.
Mineralization can be rapid. What’s mysterious is that there are no unmineralized dino bones, even though they are supposedly only a few thousand years old.
There are lots of unmineralized mammoth bones.
That's what T.H. Huxley used to do a hundred years ago. If a Christain agreed with evolution, he would blast them for not believing in Genesis and accuse them of hypocrisy, cherry-picking, etc. If they did not believe in evolution, he would ridicule them for being 6-day creationists. Just like the evolutionists on FR do, by the way.
Huxley's son Leonard Huxley was an officer of Rationalist Press Association, which is dedicated to destroying Christianity. Leonard Huxley's son Julian was a major architect of the modern "Culture of Death". Julian Huxley was a friend of the Dawkins family.
Don’t expect too much rationality from this guy. He still hasn’t provided a single rational explanation to support his contention that the continents moved into their current positions in a few months during ‘the flood’.
I wasn’t writing for his benefit. He thinks coffee enemas are an effective treatment for cancer.
Nope. He was referring to people who refused to study the facts and educate themselves. Given the state of the evidence now, that would be the young-earth pseudoscience crowd.
Well, if people with brains in their heads drink coffee through their mouths....
projection (pr& JEK sh&n): the tendency to ascribe to another person feelings, thoughts, or attitudes present in oneself
Hmmmm, okay, these vists to the margin just get wierder and wierder.
Maybe he was thinking of one of you that had no idea where his head was, (while the rest of us have a really good idea...)
yes a coffee enema would work just fine in his case.
[[Organized disruption between 2-3+ DCers starts around post 4.]
Perhaps we should simply start reporting them IF that’s all they are goign to do- they add absolutely NOTHING to the threads.
Roses are red to symbolize the suffering of Christ on the cross.
First, I didn’t cite any website.
Second, all of the charges you make are childish, and typical of the evo charletans that post here. I cannot recall a single instance of an honest person posting here in support of evolution. It goes with the insanity that drives all of them.
Piss me off?
You’re a joke, an uncontrollable guffaw, and a typical one trick pony here.
You can’t do it can you? You can’t admit that Carl Baugh is a fraud and that the Limestone Cowboy is no longer displayed at his museum; a tacit admission that it’s bs.
You are incapable of it. You are pathological.
Please, please, please tell me you have a link to this. That would be simply magnificent.
For cancer, Can’t find it. Found these, however.
"Youre blaming the wrong cause. You should have first opened your gallbladder first, and then done a series of coffee enemas. You were not digesting the fats properly, and that can only mean a plugged up liver and gallbladder. (unless you are old enough to be lacking in stomach acid)"
This is incredible. Thank you so very much for posting these links.
To be completely honest I wasn’t able to find the editor-surveyor post recommending coffee enemas for cancer.
However, if you google coffee enemas and cancer you will find quite a lot. Wikipedia has a relatively neutral article on the subject. There has been an attempt by a qualified MD to test this with terminal cancer patients, but so far he hasn’t found enough volunteers.
I could deal with terminal patients trying anything, and if the test is supervised, so much the better. There is some other weird stuff here, as you have noticed.