Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

What Is Science?
AiG ^ | Roger Patterson

Posted on 02/19/2009 9:24:24 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

What Is Science?

"Even if all the data point to an intelligent designer, such an hypothesis is excluded from science because it is not naturalistic."

—Dr. Scott Todd, Kansas State University, Nature 401(6752):423, Sept. 30, 1999

What You Will Learn

Many people do not realize that science was actually developed in Christian Europe by men who assumed that God created an orderly universe. If the universe is a product of random chance or a group of gods that interfere in the universe, there is really no reason to expect order in nature. Many of the founders of the principle scientific fields, such as Bacon, Galileo, Kepler, and Newton, were believers in a recently created earth. The idea that science cannot accept a creationist perspective is a denial of scientific history...

(Excerpt) Read more at answersingenesis.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: creation; evolution; intelligentdesign; science
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-50 ... 251-300301-350351-400401-408 next last
To: truth_seeker; GodGunsGuts
Creation scientists owe me this explanation:

LMAO!

No one "owes" you anything.

351 posted on 02/21/2009 8:34:16 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 324 | View Replies]

To: truth_seeker

“...describe the necessary sized vessel to hold them, and show that technology was available to build such a vessel.”

You seem to have struck a nerve!


352 posted on 02/21/2009 8:41:59 PM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 347 | View Replies]

To: metmom; truth_seeker

Very interesting reading:

How did the animals fit on Noah’s Ark?
What animals did Noah take onto the Ark?
Where did they store all the food?
How could the Ark be big enough?
What about all the animal wastes?

http://creationontheweb.com/images/pdfs/cabook/chapter13.pdf


353 posted on 02/21/2009 8:45:08 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 350 | View Replies]

To: Buck W.

I see that your still up and still avoiding the question.


354 posted on 02/21/2009 8:55:05 PM PST by TinCan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 352 | View Replies]

To: TinCan

#317.


355 posted on 02/21/2009 9:00:59 PM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 354 | View Replies]

To: Buck W.

You have claimed that most Christians believe the way you do. You have claimed that Christians that believe the bible as the word of God are weak in faith. You have stated this with great pride and yet You won’t answer a simple question? What does that say about you?


356 posted on 02/21/2009 9:13:30 PM PST by TinCan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 355 | View Replies]

To: TinCan

I love Ravi Z’s take: time+chance+cells is completely random to produce a person’s mind at that moment. Such a statement has a probability that approaches zero.

http://www.rzim.org/


357 posted on 02/21/2009 9:17:17 PM PST by combat_boots ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."Aldous Huxley)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 356 | View Replies]

To: Buck W.
"However, I (and most Christians) believe that the Bible is allegorical, and that science is a natural outgrowth of the brain that God gave us, to be used to gain an understanding of the universe around us. I believe that God would be sorely disappointed it we didn’t try.

He is even more grieved when we fail to accept what He reveals to us in public revelation also known as His Word.

358 posted on 02/21/2009 9:44:54 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 307 | View Replies]

To: GodGunsGuts

Your writeup uses 8,000 species, yielding 16,000 aboard. Is that 8 page document your best source to support the Noah Ark story with “science?”

This source estimates many, many times that number of species. Estimates range from 1.5 million to 100 million; a whole lot more than 8,000.

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/FelixNisimov.shtml

Can anybody reconcile such a wide gap with such figures?

Your 8 page scientific paper itself seems to say horses and donkeys and zebras “came from” one common ancestor. Seems to resemble something a lot like evolution.

How many people were onboard, to crew the vessel, and to attend to 16,000 animals daily?

The Bible is admittedly full of allegory. Google “Biblical allegory.”

The church kept Gallileo under house arrest because he claimed the earth circled the sun, in opposition to the church doctrine of the day.

That church has since come to accept that which science has proved true.

It is completely rational to believe God created man and everything else, through a great process only he could set in motion.

And to believe sometime modern man set down in writing his best understanding of the history of life as he then knew it; albeit with some devine revelations.

And to believe all of that and also reject an earth only 6,000 years old, because God created a man smart enough to do real science.


359 posted on 02/22/2009 12:21:20 AM PST by truth_seeker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 353 | View Replies]

To: ToGodBeTheGlory
So you’re opposed to Jesus Christ your Savior?

You didn't answer my question. You wrote, "God doesn’t smile on nations that treat the Gospel with such disdain."

Last I checked Israel, is a nation in which the Gospel is not believed by the majority of the population. So my question stands: Do you believe that God doesn't smile on Israel.

To respond to your question, if Jesus has a problem with my Jewish friends, then I have a problem with him.

360 posted on 02/22/2009 7:21:01 AM PST by onewhowatches
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 333 | View Replies]

To: onewhowatches

You can’t get to heaven except through Jesus Christ. Sorry, I didn’t make the rules.


361 posted on 02/22/2009 9:14:12 AM PST by ToGodBeTheGlory ("Darwinism" is Satanism.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 360 | View Replies]

To: TinCan

I’m a devout Christian, as I posted earlier. Yes, your perspective on literal truth is a minority, unless you don’t consider Catholics, Episcopals, and other large denominations to be Christians.

Furthermore, most Jews consider the Old Testament allegorical as well. However, there appears to be considerably more tolerance in Judaism than in your brand of Christianity for divergent views.


362 posted on 02/22/2009 9:26:51 AM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 356 | View Replies]

To: ToGodBeTheGlory

“...I didn’t make the rules.”

You seem to have no problem applying the rules with your own self-serving interpretation, though.


363 posted on 02/22/2009 9:28:28 AM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 361 | View Replies]

To: Cvengr

“He is even more grieved when we fail to accept what He reveals to us in public revelation also known as His Word.”

Don’t confuse your interpretation with public revelation.


364 posted on 02/22/2009 9:29:51 AM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 358 | View Replies]

To: Buck W.

You seem to have no problem applying the rules (ignoring them in this case) with YOUR own self-serving interpretations.


365 posted on 02/22/2009 9:34:42 AM PST by ToGodBeTheGlory ("Darwinism" is Satanism.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 363 | View Replies]

To: ToGodBeTheGlory

Not exactly—My interpretation is backed up with scienctific observation that God gave us the capacity to perform.


366 posted on 02/22/2009 9:40:46 AM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 365 | View Replies]

To: Buck W.
Still no answer. So I take it that you don't believe that John 3:16 or Matthew 28:5 ever happened.
367 posted on 02/22/2009 10:05:39 AM PST by TinCan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 362 | View Replies]

To: TinCan

#317. Your interim conclusions are being drawn with the same degree of baseless certainty as the major published works of creation science!


368 posted on 02/22/2009 10:13:49 AM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 367 | View Replies]

To: Buck W.

You disagree with post 361?


369 posted on 02/22/2009 10:21:56 AM PST by TinCan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 368 | View Replies]

To: TinCan

You’re obsessed with what I believe! I’ve told you that I’m a Christian. Are you a stalker?


370 posted on 02/22/2009 10:23:49 AM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 369 | View Replies]

To: Buck W.
You have made some bold claims as a christian. I am just trying to understand on what basis that comes from. If the Bible is not true as you say, where do you get your truth from? Are you ashamed in what you believe?
371 posted on 02/22/2009 10:32:28 AM PST by TinCan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 370 | View Replies]

To: TinCan

I think the real issue is that you cannot distinguish between an allegory and a lie. Being allegorical does not make the bible a lie. It seems that you would consider Jesus a liar simply because he used parables (i.e., lies).


372 posted on 02/22/2009 10:35:48 AM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 371 | View Replies]

To: Buck W.

I never said that the bible was a lie or allegorical. I’m saying that the bible is the word of God. You seem to be denying the truth about who Jesus is. (i.e. John 3:16 and Matthew 28:5)


373 posted on 02/22/2009 11:02:05 AM PST by TinCan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 372 | View Replies]

To: TinCan

Keep the YEC logic coming. I hope the that existence of this thread and the arguments made by YEC proponents on it will swing a few people away from YEC and back to a more rational Christian belief.


374 posted on 02/22/2009 11:32:51 AM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 373 | View Replies]

To: Buck W.
And what would that rational Christian belief consist of when it comes to Jesus? Just asking.
375 posted on 02/22/2009 12:00:11 PM PST by TinCan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 374 | View Replies]

To: TinCan

#317.


376 posted on 02/22/2009 12:53:51 PM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 375 | View Replies]

To: Buck W.
Are you as a Christian encouraged to witness to others?
377 posted on 02/22/2009 1:04:16 PM PST by TinCan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 376 | View Replies]

To: TinCan

#317.


378 posted on 02/22/2009 1:27:53 PM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 377 | View Replies]

To: ToGodBeTheGlory

Still didn’t answer the question: Does God smile on Israel?


379 posted on 02/22/2009 1:57:06 PM PST by onewhowatches
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 361 | View Replies]

To: Buck W.
Your refusal to answer is very telling. I'm not playing gotcha, I am really curious in your definition of a Christian. It appears that we differ greatly in what we believe.
380 posted on 02/22/2009 1:58:30 PM PST by TinCan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 378 | View Replies]

To: onewhowatches

I answered already.


381 posted on 02/22/2009 2:00:07 PM PST by ToGodBeTheGlory ("Darwinism" is Satanism.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 379 | View Replies]

To: TinCan

Your refusal to accept that I am a Christian is telling. To you, one cannot be a Christian without passing the test. I’m sure you don’t think Catholics and Episcopalians are Christians.


382 posted on 02/22/2009 2:34:18 PM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 380 | View Replies]

To: Buck W.
There is no test. What kind of Christian are you? Do you worship Jesus or do you just study his teachings.
383 posted on 02/22/2009 2:55:28 PM PST by TinCan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 382 | View Replies]

To: Buck W.

John 14:6


384 posted on 02/22/2009 3:01:26 PM PST by TinCan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 382 | View Replies]

To: Buck W.

Scripture provides us with His written Word. Science is not the Word of God.


385 posted on 02/22/2009 3:26:22 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 364 | View Replies]

To: TinCan

“There is no test. What kind of Christian are you? Do you worship Jesus or do you just study his teachings. “

You really don’t see the contradiction in that statement? REALLY?


386 posted on 02/22/2009 3:33:22 PM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 383 | View Replies]

To: Cvengr

Science is the work of man using our God-given brains. It is entirely compatible with Christianity.


387 posted on 02/22/2009 3:34:42 PM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 385 | View Replies]

To: metmom
The only option is they ever support is an outright ban. Not only do they not want their kids to hear about it, they don't want anyone else's kids to hear about creation either.

It's more than hypocritical that they would object so strongly to their kids hearing something they don't want them to hear, but are so willing to force other people's kids to hear what the other parents don't want them to hear. All in the name of science.....

Exactly, and it's plain to see by now it has nothing at all to do with science.

And they go to no lengths whatsoever to dispel nonsense like algore's cult of manmade global warming, string theory or multiverse theory that I've seen.

It's all got everything to do with their sensibilities over God.

Period.

388 posted on 02/22/2009 3:51:18 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 349 | View Replies]

To: Buck W.

I agree that science is a practice of rationalism, but rationalism, mysticism, and materialism are not the substance of faith/belief of Scripture.

BTW, associating the brain with the mind is a separate issue.


389 posted on 02/22/2009 3:51:19 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 387 | View Replies]

To: Buck W.

You should focus your efforts (and yourself) on what Christianity actually is instead of what or how creationism will damage it; and what misrepresenting Christianity itself is doing to “outsiders”, and not creationism.

And no, treating kittens nice isn’t it either Bucky.


390 posted on 02/22/2009 3:57:46 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 304 | View Replies]

To: Cvengr

Belief in scripture as literal truth in light of the science that derives from our God-given brains is neither rational nor, in my opinion, God’s intent.


391 posted on 02/22/2009 4:06:08 PM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 389 | View Replies]

To: gondramB

>>What Is Science?<<

Humanity’s major source of advancement of productivity and understanding.


Well, the dogmatic godless secular humanist NEA PC ideologues have all but nearly destroyed it (and just about all other academic endeavors) K-12 in this country, and the empirical evidence is indisputable.


392 posted on 02/22/2009 4:26:18 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 335 | View Replies]

To: allmendream; metmom; YHAOS

But creationism AS science, or instead of science is absolutely unacceptable.


For no other reason than allmendream (and his his ilk) says so.

Because we’ve been through all the thoroughly debunked:

“it’s not science”

“it’s religion”

“doesn’t meet this or doesn’t meet that”

AND all his strawmen have been knocked down more than sufficiently.

and any and all other insufficent reasons he’s created to date.

It logically doesn’t follow to argue that you’re a Christian and then exclaim things like “God doesn’t belong in any part of His creation” because of your inseucrities.

It’s certainly not conservative to side with the NEA on silencing Christians to prevent them from teaching how they see fit their own children, and I would argue not American.

And it makes people wonder, what’s next? Should we from this point forward demand that Christianity now somehow be sterlized of science also?

No more scientific studies or inquiries into studying prayer for instance?

What’s next, history can’t be infected by God either?

Where does liberal PC nonsense truly end?


393 posted on 02/22/2009 4:42:16 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 313 | View Replies]

To: Glenn
I do not believe sin, as interpreted by Biblical standards, is real.

Why not?

What stops you from killing someone when you get angry(enough) with them vs. just for the hell of it then? (pun intended)

I do believe there are social norms that help preserve order and promote societal harmony and that are in the best interest of all participants.

But what happens when these so-called societal norms break down or aren't existant in the first place? OR aren't in any way reasoable let alone normal for anyone, including said society, to any other sane rational human being? (honor killings come to mind)

Marshall Applewhite's heaven's gate cult thought it "normal to snip their testicles off and kill themselves to catch a spacehip in a comet tail to get a ride to heaven.

Hell fire and damnation aren't real either.

How so? Any proof of this?

We don't reap what we sew, in most cases.

Again, any proof?

Justice is hardly equal to the offense in so many cases and Christians take solace that "they will get theirs" when they meet God.

That depends: if someone killed someone close to you and got themselves saved in prison, by coming to know Christ and accepting Him, I can envision a situation where all parties could reunite in heaven.

It's abstract but cunning. It calms the masses.

Huh? What if the reverse was true and since no one believed in a God that knew better than we did in meting out "punishment" for "sin", we all just hunted down everyone that pissed us off and bashed their skulls in? You know, speaking of calming the masses? There simply would BE no calm? Since there'd be no sin?

And those who live outside Biblical law, in this country at least, do not fear any consequence from those who live within it.

Ummmm, usually if a person killed let's say 25 people and every single victim was a Christian, and each and everyone of their families were able to rely wholly on God, it wouldn't be the Christians the serial killer needed to worry about in the first place, but rather the state they live in, rather or not they had the lethal injection or worse yet: they rotted in prison and were abused there the rest of their days.

394 posted on 02/22/2009 5:11:21 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 326 | View Replies]

To: ColdWater; metmom

Quit twisting my words and reposting a false post. Remember. God is watching you and waiting.


You’re projecting. God sees projection just as He sees everything else.


395 posted on 02/22/2009 5:13:28 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 342 | View Replies]

To: Buck W.

Anyone that comes onto a conservative website and spouts the stuff you have and claims he’s Christian will be questioned repeatedly.

And at least a working knowledge of what it actually is would help if you’re getting tired of being questioned there confucius.


396 posted on 02/22/2009 5:34:24 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 370 | View Replies]

To: Glenn
Justice is hardly equal to the offense in so many cases and Christians take solace that "they will get theirs" when they meet God.

It's abstract but cunning. It calms the masses.

That sounds a little too much like the *religion is the opaite of the masses* mentality.

397 posted on 02/22/2009 6:13:41 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 326 | View Replies]

To: tpanther
You’re projecting.

Nowhere in that did I use the future tense. I used the present tense. That is not projecting.

398 posted on 02/22/2009 6:16:49 PM PST by ColdWater
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 395 | View Replies]

To: allmendream; tpanther
But creationism AS science, or instead of science is absolutely unacceptable.

I never said *as science* nor *instead of* science.

Read the question again. It said.....“Would you support the opt out option for students in the public schools in regards to teaching creation instead of an outright ban on teaching creation in science classes? One that would allow creation to be taught along with evolution but not requiring that children attend?”

So your answer is *No*, you would not favor an opt out option for people who don't want their kids to hear about creation in school. That kind of mentality is why we have expensive lawsuits in schools. People just aren't willing to be reasonable.

And as far as the *teach it in religion class* tidbit that's tossed the way of creationists, we all know that that's not going to happen, because then the next cry is *teaching religion in schools*. The one school that tried it in California some years back got shredded by the very evos that throw that out as an option. IOW, it's never going to happen.

399 posted on 02/22/2009 6:20:02 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 313 | View Replies]

To: ColdWater
I made my post. Quit twisting my words and reposting a false post. Remember. God is watching you and waiting.

Waiting for what?

400 posted on 02/22/2009 6:23:41 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 342 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-50 ... 251-300301-350351-400401-408 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson