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What Is Science?
AiG ^ | Roger Patterson

Posted on 02/19/2009 9:24:24 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

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To: TinCan

The Adam and Eve question? I did. I’m getting bored, though—got any more?


201 posted on 02/19/2009 9:03:40 PM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: tpanther
Things need evidence to rise above a hypothesis. None of those things you mentioned are a central part of science or a productive part of science.

Do you think somehow that the sciences of geology or biology or chemistry or physics are somehow changed or discredited because some theoretical physicist published some musings about the “multi-verse”?

If it is a productive hypothesis it will be embraced and expounded upon.

If it is not productive they will wonder “what was he smoking”.

That is how science works. We have a mechanism for sorting out the productive ideas from the useless ones.

202 posted on 02/19/2009 9:06:07 PM PST by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: Rhino371; metmom; Jim Robinson
Public schools can’t teach your religion it is illegal. And you don’t want them to since then school would have to present both sides, and trust me you don’t want them proving the bible is full of lies in school. Take your kid to church if you want them to learn your mythology.

Rhino, it appears you've stumbled onto the wrong website...do yourself a favor and learn up on what FR is all about, before you make yourself look even more foolish than you already have! Not that this is remotely possible.

203 posted on 02/19/2009 9:08:25 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: ColdWater

Do you need a citation the sky is blue also?


204 posted on 02/19/2009 9:08:58 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: Buck W.
No you didn't you asked another question. I also asked what is your definition of a Christian
205 posted on 02/19/2009 9:09:27 PM PST by TinCan
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To: tpanther
Do you need a citation the sky is blue also?

No. But when someone says the sky is red I ask for a citation.

206 posted on 02/19/2009 9:10:02 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: tpanther

[[Do you need a citation the sky is blue also?]]

A peer reviewed one preferably, if it’s not ‘peer reviewed’ it’s not ‘science’


207 posted on 02/19/2009 9:10:31 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: tpanther; Rhino371
Rhino, it appears you've stumbled onto the wrong website...do yourself a favor and learn up on what FR is all about, before you make yourself look even more foolish than you already have! Not that this is remotely possible.

I see that you do not want both sides presented.

208 posted on 02/19/2009 9:11:36 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: tpanther

I do wonder at some of the handles and always supposed there was some sort of message there. Mine I thought was good advice I learned early in life. The tagline I learned a bit later, but both work for me.


209 posted on 02/19/2009 9:11:40 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: metmom
Thank you so much for sharing your insights!


211 posted on 02/19/2009 9:13:18 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: tpanther

Not only have I never called for removal of the religious courses, I have never proposed that they should teach both sides of the question.


212 posted on 02/19/2009 9:13:57 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: TinCan

So you really don’t know the difference between lie and allegory?

As for the other question, a Christian is one who follows the teachings of Jesus Christ, and tries not to be annoying to bystanders by wearing his faith out on his sleeve. I am a Christian.


213 posted on 02/19/2009 9:14:21 PM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: ColdWater

Let’s see, you haven’t seen a lawsuit that’s forced creation from public schools...

then do a google...I suggest:

creation, lawsuit, public schools.

How has the earth been determined to not be at the center of the universe?


214 posted on 02/19/2009 9:17:31 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: Buck W.

I’m asking a question that you asserted was conclusively proven by your own assertion.


215 posted on 02/19/2009 9:18:43 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: ColdWater

[[I see that you do not want both sides presented. ]]

Both sides are fien as long as the other side isn’t rife with assinine bleeting points from the far left that have NO basis in reality


216 posted on 02/19/2009 9:19:41 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: ColdWater

How do you think that creation was forced out of the schools to begin with? If it wasn’t direct lawsuits, it was the threat of them. Lawsuits are the evoatheists knee jerk reaction to anything that hints of intelligence in the classroom.

Do you know of schools where creation is taught and it is not illegal to teach it? Where’s that?

http://www.au.org/site/News2?abbr=pr&page=NewsArticle&id=5178

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Federal+court+clears+way+for+Pa.+lawsuit+against+%27intelligent+design%27-a0138443449

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwards_v._Aguillard

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/EDUCATION/09/26/creationism.evolution/


217 posted on 02/19/2009 9:20:30 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: CottShop
Both sides are fien as long as the other side isn’t rife with assinine bleeting points from the far left that have NO basis in reality

What about assinine bleeting points from the far right taht have NO basis in reality?

218 posted on 02/19/2009 9:20:43 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: tpanther
Then my work here is done! I'll give you a day or so, you can think up a few more red herring questions, and perhaps we'll play again.

There are quite a few of the belligerently uninformed here!

219 posted on 02/19/2009 9:21:24 PM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: metmom
Do you know of schools where creation is taught and it is not illegal to teach it? Where’s that?

I've already posted one that requires it.

220 posted on 02/19/2009 9:21:32 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater

That’s not an answer to the question.

In typical evo fashion....


221 posted on 02/19/2009 9:21:49 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: tpanther

[[How has the earth been determined to not be at the center of the universe?]]

Yard-Stick measurements- it’s true! I went to a meuseum, saw a newspaper from oh... 140 million bc, and some dude did a measurement when he was laid off from his auto makers job- I think he worked for Chrysler.


222 posted on 02/19/2009 9:22:07 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: ColdWater

Read and get educated ...


So where does multiverse theory fit into your adolescent mentality?

Thanks for proving to your buddy Buck there’s absolutely nothing conclusive about the center of the universe, one way or another though! ;)


223 posted on 02/19/2009 9:22:44 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: Buck W.

[[There are quite a few of the belligerently uninformed here!]]

Says the billigerently uninformed as he walks away waving his hand in dismissal


224 posted on 02/19/2009 9:23:09 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: ColdWater

[[What about assinine bleeting points from the far right taht have NO basis in reality?]]

There certainly aren’t many posted here cold water- This site deals with facts and evidneces- Perhaps you’re thinking of another site- perhaps DC?


225 posted on 02/19/2009 9:24:20 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: metmom

Oh, the Dover case. That’s where the ID’ers wanted to teach that God may be dead! Is that what you really want your kids taught in science class?


226 posted on 02/19/2009 9:24:22 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater; tpanther
My tax money goes to pay for religious classes in public schools and NOT once have I ever called for removing them from the school system.

Where's that? What religion are they teaching in public schools?

227 posted on 02/19/2009 9:24:27 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Buck W.
Can you answer with a statement of some kind?
228 posted on 02/19/2009 9:25:18 PM PST by TinCan
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To: Buck W.

LOL!!!!

Please do put me in your tagline...matter of fact Bucky, put that you’re in my head, in your tagline!

LOL!!!!


229 posted on 02/19/2009 9:25:48 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: TinCan

[[Can you answer with a statement of some kind?]]

Time flies like an arrow, Fruit Flies liek a banana


230 posted on 02/19/2009 9:26:20 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: ColdWater; tpanther
No. But when someone says the sky is red I ask for a citation.

Another evidence that evos miss the obvious. They need a citation to prove what everyone can see with their own eyes on any random morning or evening?

Do you have a clue how ridiculous you look in trying to make yourself look objective and intellectual?

231 posted on 02/19/2009 9:27:33 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: ColdWater

1. That apparenetly some people think science can intrude into religion but not the other way around.

2. It works.

3. Like everything else, the findings are on-going.


232 posted on 02/19/2009 9:28:03 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: Buck W.; TinCan

If you think that there’s no difference between a lie and an allegory and you believe that the Bible is an allegory, what exactly do you believe?

If it’s all allegory, there is no real sin, or need for redemption, or real Christ. How can you claim to believe in Christ if you don’t even think that He was real?


233 posted on 02/19/2009 9:29:52 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Do you have a clue how ridiculous you look in trying to make yourself look objective and intellectual?


If there’s without a doubt one conclusive fact proven here tonight...

Ummmm...not at all.


234 posted on 02/19/2009 9:30:32 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther

You’re not the only one who thought that Rhino stumbled on the wrong website......


235 posted on 02/19/2009 9:33:26 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: tpanther

I have never seen a scientific study that supports that “It works.”


236 posted on 02/19/2009 9:34:12 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater
Please answer the question in post 178

“Would you support the opt out option for students in the public schools in regards to teaching creation instead of an outright ban on teaching creation in science classes? One that would allow creation to be taught along with evolution but not requiring that children attend?”

237 posted on 02/19/2009 9:34:33 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: allmendream

OK, so following this to it’s logical conclusions allmendream...please explain the mysterious absence of lawsuits surrounding all these useless nonproductive musings...

manmade global warming, multiverse, string theory, studying the effects of prayer...after all your tax dollars are going down the drain too, I assume.

Could it be something other than science is at play here?

Is it ONLY about evidence as you suggest?


We have a mechanism for sorting out the productive ideas from the useless ones.

Ummmm in case you haven’t noticed, these aren’t exactly brand new ideas...so what exactly IS that allmendream?


238 posted on 02/19/2009 9:35:46 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: metmom
Another evidence that evos miss the obvious. They need a citation to prove what everyone can see with their own eyes on any random morning or evening? Do you have a clue how ridiculous you look in trying to make yourself look objective and intellectual?

I asked for a citation since you mispoke in your post. Rather than arguing over some general reference, I wanted a specific reference to show you your error. Don't you have a clue how rediculous you look making generalizing statements that are so easily proven to be in error?

239 posted on 02/19/2009 9:36:21 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: Buck W.

Your work here is done Buck? LOL!


240 posted on 02/19/2009 9:37:06 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: metmom

I did.


241 posted on 02/19/2009 9:37:09 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater

I see you have reading comprehension issues as well.

I answered your questions. Too bad you can’t comprehend them.


242 posted on 02/19/2009 9:38:02 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: ColdWater

There’s a difference between presenting both sides and bashing conservatism.

You really could use a clue.


243 posted on 02/19/2009 9:38:52 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: ColdWater

Nope. No answer to that question. As usual, only an answer to something I never asked.


244 posted on 02/19/2009 9:39:40 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: tpanther

Government spending on science is not the same thing as science.

I need not defend government spending to defend science.

The only work I ever did for the Government was as an Airman not as a scientist.


245 posted on 02/19/2009 9:39:44 PM PST by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: ColdWater

What religious classes are taught in public schools in your area?

This I’d like to see!


246 posted on 02/19/2009 9:41:34 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: ColdWater

WHAT religious courses?


247 posted on 02/19/2009 9:42:44 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: Buck W.

Nope, following the teachings of Christ isn’t it Buck.

And come to think of it Buck, Christ I think would rejoice in people that might be seen as annoying if it meant to the point that people actually understood what Christianity is!

I found the whole process somewhat annoying and even to a point quite disturbing before I was saved myself.


248 posted on 02/19/2009 9:46:36 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: allmendream; metmom

Ummmm...not even close to the question asked allmendream...not that a soul is shocked!

Again.

The question was why is there such a lack of lawsuits to silence the mutiverse theorists...

the string theorists....

the scientists studying the outcomes of prayer...

the pseudo-scientists asserting mand made global warming...

While there are myriad lawsuits to silence creationists?


249 posted on 02/19/2009 9:53:00 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: metmom

[[only an answer to something I never asked.]]

Ah- but were you htinking it? That is the real quesiton


250 posted on 02/19/2009 10:50:21 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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