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Results from nationwide poll (Overwhelming support for teaching both sides of Evolution debate)
Zogby International ^ | February 3, 2009

Posted on 02/19/2009 4:06:47 PM PST by GodGunsGuts

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4. Would you strongly agree, somewhat agree, somewhat disagree, or strongly disagree that teachers and students should have the academic freedom to discuss both the strengths and weaknesses of evolution as a scientific theory?

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5. Charles Darwin wrote that when considering the evidence for his theory of evolution, “…a fair result can be obtained only by fully stating and balancing the facts and arguments on both sides of each question.” Do you strongly agree, somewhat agree, somewhat disagree, or strongly disagree with Darwin’s statement?

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6. I am going to read you two statements about Biology teachers teaching Darwin’s theory of evolution. Please tell me which statement comes closest to your own point of view—Statement A or Statement B?

Statement A: Biology teachers should teach only Darwin’s theory of evolution and the scientific evidence that supports it.

Statement B: Biology teachers should teach Darwin’s theory of evolution, but also the scientific evidence against it.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: 2009polls; antiscienceagenda; catholic; christian; creation; creationism; evolution; fundamentalism; intelligentdesign; moralabsolutes; zogby
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1 posted on 02/19/2009 4:06:48 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Finny; vladimir998; Coyoteman; allmendream; LeGrande; GunRunner; cacoethes_resipisco; ...

ping!


2 posted on 02/19/2009 4:08:57 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Isn’t that interesting that it is the position that Sarah Palin advocates and has taken so much heat on from fellow politicians and the MSM.


3 posted on 02/19/2009 4:09:54 PM PST by techno
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To: GodGunsGuts

“but also the scientific evidence against it.”

As worded that means NOT teaching ID.


4 posted on 02/19/2009 4:13:04 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: techno

Just goes to show the jackbooted tactics that are being employed to shield neo-Darwinian evolution from scientific scrutiny.


5 posted on 02/19/2009 4:13:20 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

None of these excerpted questions are controversial. Any scientific issue should cover evidence both for and against.

But evidence against evolution, whatever that may be, does not equate to creationism.


6 posted on 02/19/2009 4:13:36 PM PST by mlo
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To: GodGunsGuts
“The Bible was America’s basic textbook in all fields.” “Education is useless without the Bible” ...[Noah Webster. Our Christian Heritage p.5]
7 posted on 02/19/2009 4:15:09 PM PST by tflabo
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To: ColdWater

==Darwin’s theory of evolution and the scientific evidence that supports it

As worded that means NOT teaching Darwin’s fanciful creation myth.


8 posted on 02/19/2009 4:16:11 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
All well and good until it comes down to what constitutes "scientific evidence for and against".

Saying you think both sides of the issue should be discussed and weighed objectively is one thing. Actually doing it proves to be quite another matter.

9 posted on 02/19/2009 4:16:53 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: mlo

So you’re saying that evidence of a young earth, an orchard of trees instead of a tree of life, no transitional fossils or missing links, evidence of a global flood, etc, etc, should not be placed in the creation science side of the ledger?


10 posted on 02/19/2009 4:19:55 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: ColdWater

It should include teaching enough about ID, so that students can say why it isn’t a scientific theory.

It helps to provide both examples, and non-examples to teach about any concept. If you wish to teach why evolution is a scientific theory — it would help to be able to distinguish it from theories you don’t consider scientific.

Please note, the above concerns pedagogy only — it isn’t meant to be a comment on the substantive issues (between evolution, and ID, etc.).


11 posted on 02/19/2009 4:21:06 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: tacticalogic
it comes down to what constitutes "scientific evidence"

Yes, this is something evolutionists have never been adept at honestly evaluating.

12 posted on 02/19/2009 4:21:42 PM PST by Cedric
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To: GodGunsGuts

The word ‘Universal’ means all-encompassing...hence the schools of learning are called ‘Universities’. Any knowledge that is suppressed is pure censorship. If the theory of Evolution proponents are so secure in their ‘science’ then why should the concepts of ‘creationism’ be such a threat?


13 posted on 02/19/2009 4:21:54 PM PST by tflabo
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To: tflabo

Teach all the creationism you want, in religion class. Not in science class.


14 posted on 02/19/2009 4:27:43 PM PST by mlo
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==If the theory of Evolution proponents are so secure in their ‘science’ then why should the concepts of ‘creationism’ be such a threat?

Because the Temple of Darwinistic Materialism is really a rival religion dressed in scientific garb:

See this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2189225/posts

Then read this:

“Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism. It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.”

—Richard C. Lewontin, Alexander Agassiz Professor of Zoology and Professor of Biology at Harvard University, 1997


15 posted on 02/19/2009 4:31:03 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Cedric
Yes, this is something evolutionists have never been adept at honestly evaluating.

As opposed to the argument that it's satatism?

16 posted on 02/19/2009 4:31:05 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: mlo

Real cute: In public indoctrination centers, there are no religion classes.

Wow, you guys are gutless.


17 posted on 02/19/2009 4:31:16 PM PST by Cedric
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To: GodGunsGuts

Pointing out problems and objections in one theory is not the same thing as building an alternative theory.

Trying to pick holes in evolution doesn’t make creationism a science.


18 posted on 02/19/2009 4:31:52 PM PST by mlo
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To: tacticalogic

No, as opposed to having a mocicum of intellectual integrity.


19 posted on 02/19/2009 4:32:55 PM PST by Cedric
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To: Cedric
"Real cute: In public indoctrination centers, there are no religion classes."

Even if true, that wouldn't entitle creationism to be taught in science class.

But it's not true anyway. There are religion classes in most universities. Comparative religion, mythology, literature, etc.

20 posted on 02/19/2009 4:33:50 PM PST by mlo
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