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Stocks Open Lower as Banks Get Pounded (Obama Bear Market Kicks into High Gear
CNBC ^ | 20 Feb 2009 | CNBC

Posted on 02/20/2009 6:53:12 AM PST by balls

Shares of the two Wall Street giants were under pressure as analysts speculated about a coming wave of government ownership in the financial sector. Both Citigroup [C 2.03 -0.48 (-19.12%) ] and Bank of America [BAC 3.29 -0.64 (-16.28%) ] were down nearly 20 percent in early trading.

This comes after as selloff Thursday that saw the Dow crash through its November low to settle at a six-year low.

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Traders have been clamoring for details of the Obama administration's stimulus plans, which were expected to assuage market jitters. But when specific plans for the mortgage-rescue plan emerged, stocks sold off.

"This market sold off quite frankly because it did not like the plan period," Jack Bouroudjian, a principal at Brewer Investment Group, told CNBC this morning.


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0 continues to spook world markets.
1 posted on 02/20/2009 6:53:13 AM PST by balls
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To: balls

Quick Barry, more happy talk.


2 posted on 02/20/2009 6:54:36 AM PST by DManA
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To: balls
I just went to this extraordinary site www.deepcapture.com. The Mitchell report is remarkable linking short sellers to American and Russian mobs. It is a very long read, but very scary as well.
3 posted on 02/20/2009 6:58:03 AM PST by madinmadtown (BO stinks..)
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To: balls

Maybe Obama will give one of his trademark hopeful economic speeches to settle the market’s frayed nerves: “We’re doomed! Head fer the hills!”


4 posted on 02/20/2009 6:59:12 AM PST by TheWasteLand
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To: balls

It’s a continuation of the Bush bear market.


5 posted on 02/20/2009 6:59:37 AM PST by Moonman62 (I didn't compromise my soul to be popular. -- Jimmy Carter)
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To: balls

All Bush’s and Reagan’s fault....I think Christians are to blame as well...actually all conservatives!


6 posted on 02/20/2009 7:00:19 AM PST by mikelets456
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To: madinmadtown
The Mitchell report is remarkable linking short sellers to American and Russian mobs.

I bet there are more mobsters who are actually long the market. I am short the market; it's not un-American. It's rational.
7 posted on 02/20/2009 7:01:32 AM PST by July 4th
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To: balls; BOBTHENAILER; Liz; SierraWasp; neverdem; nutmeg; tubebender; BIGLOOK; STARWISE; ...
Zero sign the USA killer bill on Tuesday. The chart below shows what is happening:

DIA = DOW, DOG = DOW SHORT, GLD = GOLD, SLV = SILVER

Today's results so far are continuing the slide of America and the rest of the world into Zer0's hell.

8 posted on 02/20/2009 7:04:13 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Zer0's friends are criminals, foriegn/domestic terrorists, perverts, sexual deviates or tax cheats!)
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To: madinmadtown

>> The Mitchell report is remarkable linking short sellers to American and Russian mobs. It is a very long read, but very scary as well.

That Mitchell report has a lot in common with a Stephen King novel — a work of fiction that scares the hell out of people.

Reading scary fiction can be fun, but for sanity’s sake don’t take it seriously.


9 posted on 02/20/2009 7:06:11 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Party? I don't have one anymore.)
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To: madinmadtown
I do believe the Obama machine's goal is the complete destruction of Wall Street so that it can be rebuilt into whatever socialist country’s have.
10 posted on 02/20/2009 7:06:19 AM PST by elpadre (nation)
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To: balls

11 posted on 02/20/2009 7:07:38 AM PST by Diogenesis (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: balls

glad i finally moved 401k out of the stocks last week earlier this week...


12 posted on 02/20/2009 7:08:38 AM PST by tatsinfla
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To: balls

I just told my 20 year old that he’d better go take some “emergency cash” out in case he can’t get to his money for a few weeks...he has bank accounts and a debit all connected to one bank. Unless you like standing in lines, everyone should have emergency cash on hand, IMHO.


13 posted on 02/20/2009 7:08:50 AM PST by dawn53
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To: Moonman62
It’s a continuation of the Bush bear market.

Naw, the Barry and the Dems took full responsibility for it when they signed that massive spending bill this week; FULL RESPONSIBILITY.

14 posted on 02/20/2009 7:09:00 AM PST by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: mikelets456
“All Bush’s and Reagan’s fault....I think Christians are to blame as well...actually all conservatives!”

Are you sitting on the other side of my cubical wall? That is exactly what the leftist in our 8 person office cubical were saying this morning. Me being the only conservative had to put my ear phones on to drown out their nonsense.

15 posted on 02/20/2009 7:10:43 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: balls
Yeah, and the F_ing idiot Lindsey Graham over the weekend commenting that they might need to nationalize the banks. Way to go you total F_ing idiot dumb_ss. That sends stockholders running for the hills before the government wipes out their value. Line the bast_rds up and shoot them all.
16 posted on 02/20/2009 7:11:26 AM PST by throwback
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To: mikelets456

“All Bush’s and Reagan’s fault....I think Christians are to blame as well...actually all conservatives”!

...don’t forget capitalists, legitimate homeowners, small business owners and beer drinkin’ southerners.


17 posted on 02/20/2009 7:14:46 AM PST by albie
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To: throwback

>> Line the bast_rds up and shoot them all.

Of all the “plans” I’ve seen, that one would be most effective, although problematic and messy to execute.

I sure want to be on the side that picks the bast_rds, though! Not the other one.


18 posted on 02/20/2009 7:20:27 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Party? I don't have one anymore.)
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To: Grampa Dave

GOLD is up big time today GD. I need to be at the bank when it opens this morning...


19 posted on 02/20/2009 7:24:25 AM PST by tubebender (Why do they sterilize the needle for lethal injections?)
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To: tubebender; netmilsmom

You might want to try this bank:

http://press.freelakotabank.com/


20 posted on 02/20/2009 7:27:18 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Zer0's friends are criminals, foriegn/domestic terrorists, perverts, sexual deviates or tax cheats!)
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To: Turbo Pig

The whole concept of stimulus and pork bills that don’t work was developed well within the Bush administration. Obama is serving W’s third term.


21 posted on 02/20/2009 7:30:09 AM PST by Moonman62 (I didn't compromise my soul to be popular. -- Jimmy Carter)
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To: Grampa Dave
Today's results so far are continuing the slide of America and the rest of the world into Zer0's hell.

There, that needed to be in BOLD.

22 posted on 02/20/2009 7:31:29 AM PST by BOBTHENAILER (my tagline is being stimulated)
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To: dawn53
I just told my 20 year old that he’d better go take some “emergency cash” out in case he can’t get to his money for a few weeks.

That's what I told my boy a few months ago. There was a bit of silence on the phone (Jeez, the Old Man's gone over the edge). I also told him to get his 401k and IRAs out of stocks and into gold and Treasuries. He hesitated on both, and saw $20,000 go down to $9,000.

Yesterday he told me he cashed out one small IRA and is keeping some cash in the house and is moving his 401K as I told him. He'd better hurry.

As Mark Twain said, "When I was 18, I thought my dad was the dumbest man on earth. When I reached 21, I was AMAZED as the wisdom he had accumulated."

23 posted on 02/20/2009 7:33:15 AM PST by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: balls

Look, none of like Obama, OK? But blaming him for every plunge in the stock market makes us look like idiots and shills. He’s sure not helping the situation but this train wreck had its genesis in the previous administration.


24 posted on 02/20/2009 7:33:32 AM PST by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future"- Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: marshmallow
"None of us like Obama.........."
25 posted on 02/20/2009 7:35:45 AM PST by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future"- Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: balls

Mentally prepare yourself for a DOW between 800 and 1500, for maybe a decade. Within a year, I am guessing between 4000 and 6000.


26 posted on 02/20/2009 7:40:22 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: DManA

Quick Barry, more happy talk.

Yes we can hope for change, but we need to change hope.
We need to know that we can change the hope that was changed. I hope we can embrace change with the light of hope. Hope must come from change, and change must come from the hope of “yes we can”. Now go my changelings and have hope. Have the hope that you will not have to worry about paying for yo car or yo mortgage. The change that I am hoping for will take care of that. You can also hope that change is not all that will be left in your pockets. Yes we can hope and yes we can change, but we can’t let hope bring down change; and we can’t let change take down hope. Yes we can Yes we can!!

There the DOW should be rebounding any second now!!


27 posted on 02/20/2009 7:43:39 AM PST by skully (Are you better off then you were 4 weeks ago???)
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To: DManA
"Quick Barry, more happy talk."

Turn on your TV..The One Speaks.

sw

28 posted on 02/20/2009 7:45:12 AM PST by spectre (sw )(Congress lied...the economy died)
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To: Oatka

We moved our 401K’s into treasuries when we saw this coming, so we didn’t lose anything. IF the government defaults, oh well...there it goes, but our only choice in our plans, other than paying the penalty and huge tax hit was to move them into a stable fund.

Our son’s 20 and finishing up his master’s degree, so he has savings, but nothing that FDIC wouldn’t cover. But he uses his debit and never carries cash, and I explained to him the need to have emergency cash in case your debit doesn’t work (i.e. bank default, etc.)

The toughest nut to crack was my 84 year old dad. He had his money in mutual funds (all of it, lots of it.) We argued with him for years and finally last year we convinced him to move the funds to a 5 star rated bank, and put it in CDs. The other day I showed him how much he would have lost if he had stayed in those funds and he was dumbfounded. What made us mad was he had a broker that was advising him to let the funds ride...what kind of advice is that for an octogenarian?


29 posted on 02/20/2009 7:46:28 AM PST by dawn53
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To: NavyCanDo

Tell your liberal friends it is not Reagan’s, Bushs’ nor Clinton’s fault, because all four POTUS did something that prior POTUS did not, they gave Wall Street and corporate America freedom to innovate and create. Wall Street repaid America with reckless greed which created an atmosphere that people can do whatever they wanted including fraud to get bonuses. Well Sep 2008 will go down as bad as 9/11 except Bin Laden caused only $100 billion in damage while Wall Street created $7 plus trillion in damage. Average American voters (Dems, GOP, indep) are still fighing over stupid partisan fights while Wall Street and their enablers (Dem and GOP) are willing to cater to them. Bailout story is sounding the same, Wall Street/Corporations screwed up, they go to Congress and threaten America that if they don’t get bailed out, they will screw America with total collapse, and when the government bails them out, we the taxpayer are screwed.


30 posted on 02/20/2009 7:47:52 AM PST by Fee (Peace, prosperity, jobs and common sense)
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To: marshmallow
this train wreck had its genesis in the previous administration.

Right, everything's Bush's fault and nothing is Obama's fault.

That's crazy.  How about we just say that Obama's tax'n'spending is harder on the economy than anything Bush did and leave it at that.

31 posted on 02/20/2009 7:49:17 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: balls
Both Citigroup [C 2.03 -0.48 (-19.12%) ] and Bank of America [BAC 3.29 -0.64 (-16.28%) ] were down nearly 20 percent in early trading.

I said it last night and I'll say it again: it's only a matter of time (weeks?) before Dow Jones pulls the tried and true trick of replacing the dogs with stuff that isn't death warmed over. Any or all of C, BAC, AXP, GE, and JPM (least likely) will be replaced.

32 posted on 02/20/2009 7:50:10 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: dawn53

FR just had an excellent article by Denninger, who pointed out that in the post Sep 2008 world, young and middle age income earners will not invest in Wall Street. They will stick to savings and CD’s. Stock market in the next 20 years minimum will be stagnant because Joe public is sick and tire of the games WS played with their leveraging and borrowing to invest schemes which finally collapsed in Sep 2008. Wall Street and investment bankers have no one to blame except themselves.


33 posted on 02/20/2009 7:52:37 AM PST by Fee (Peace, prosperity, jobs and common sense)
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To: Moonman62
The whole concept of stimulus and pork bills that don’t work was developed well within the Bush administration. Obama is serving W’s third term.

And who, may I ask drove that concept; the dems; along with select non-conservative repubs.. Barry took FULL RESPONSIBILITY, when he endorsed this madness by signing the spending bill last Tuesday.

As the leader of his party, and the nation, he very easily could have changed the direction things were going. instead, he loaded up even more pork into the equation and saddled the economy with burden that it can ill afford to carry.

As of Tuesday, this became Barry's, and the dem's, mess. No amount of finger pointing at Bush will change that fact.

34 posted on 02/20/2009 7:55:27 AM PST by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: spectre

He speaks to someone on his right, then he turns and speaks to someone on his left. He never speaks to me.


35 posted on 02/20/2009 7:56:40 AM PST by DManA
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To: Turbo Pig
And who, may I ask drove that concept; the dems; along with select non-conservative repubs.. Barry took FULL RESPONSIBILITY, when he endorsed this madness by signing the spending bill last Tuesday.

And W signed every piece of spending junk that landed on his desk. He needed an illegal alien veto pen to do the the job his American veto pen wouldn't do.

36 posted on 02/20/2009 8:00:51 AM PST by Moonman62 (I didn't compromise my soul to be popular. -- Jimmy Carter)
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To: balls

0bummer, your stocks are down again.


37 posted on 02/20/2009 8:02:18 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (A trillion here, a trillion there, and pretty soon you are talking about Zimbabwe money.)
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To: balls

Just wait until the folks who run the DMV and the post office get to be in charge of your banking.


38 posted on 02/20/2009 8:06:15 AM PST by Poison Pill (Help, I've voted Republican and I can't get up!)
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To: Fee
Wall Street and investment bankers have no one to blame except themselves.....

....and Fannie mae and Freddie mac, Christopher Dodd, and Barney Franks...

39 posted on 02/20/2009 8:06:27 AM PST by skully (Are you better off then you were 4 weeks ago???)
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To: balls
Feel the hope and change, my friends.
40 posted on 02/20/2009 8:06:58 AM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: Moonman62
And W signed every piece of spending junk that landed on his desk. He needed an illegal alien veto pen to do the the job his American veto pen wouldn't do

That's true, how does that change the fact that Barry and the dems took ownership?

41 posted on 02/20/2009 8:10:12 AM PST by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: Grampa Dave

CD’s, gold, silver...are looking better every day.

Cash is King.

Until inflation hits.


42 posted on 02/20/2009 8:11:19 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: tatsinfla
glad i finally moved 401k out of the stocks last week earlier this week...

You need to start an investment strategy, move small parts in as the market goes lower. Otherwise you will be sitting on fixed rates as the inflationary boom kicks in, or in bonds as interest rates rise. There is no single strategy that will work as deflation and inflation psychologies fight it out, you will have to keep after it and be nimble.

43 posted on 02/20/2009 8:12:57 AM PST by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: Turbo Pig

Obama took responsibility as soon as he took office, and so far that’s one month of mistakes, but that doesn’t change the fact there was a tremendous amount of malfeasance that preceded him. He shouldn’t be blamed for what W did, which was the result of eight years of terrible economic policy.


44 posted on 02/20/2009 8:16:25 AM PST by Moonman62 (I didn't compromise my soul to be popular. -- Jimmy Carter)
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To: NavyCanDo

“Me being the only conservative had to put my ear phones on to drown out their nonsense.”

You must work for the government?


45 posted on 02/20/2009 8:16:27 AM PST by mikelets456
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To: palmer

i will start looking into doing that...but not going to jump right in...i need to find some time to talk with my investment firm and map out a good plan...for the short term though seemed wise to move to a safe acct so i have something left...i see dow is down another 134 at the moment....


46 posted on 02/20/2009 8:17:39 AM PST by tatsinfla
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To: balls

47 posted on 02/20/2009 8:20:32 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . The original point of America was not to be Europe)
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To: BOBTHENAILER

Thanks.


48 posted on 02/20/2009 8:26:36 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Zer0's friends are criminals, foriegn/domestic terrorists, perverts, sexual deviates or tax cheats!)
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To: albie

Basically, anyone that’s not disfunctional is a fault.


49 posted on 02/20/2009 8:28:15 AM PST by dools007
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To: tatsinfla

Don’t know your firm, but I am always skeptical. My advice is to diversify, but change the mix as the market changes. If we continue down sharply then get a little more stock in increments until 50%. With a rebound and go-nowhere market like earlier this month, get back into cash (say 60/40 or 70/30). Like I said before, there are no good choices for “put it in X and forget about it”. The only exception to that is if you have an active fund manager who trades the swings as I described. One last piece of advice, wait for pullbacks in gold and get a little until you have 20%


50 posted on 02/20/2009 8:28:51 AM PST by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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