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Stocks Open Lower as Banks Get Pounded (Obama Bear Market Kicks into High Gear
CNBC ^ | 20 Feb 2009 | CNBC

Posted on 02/20/2009 6:53:12 AM PST by balls

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To: Moonman62
And W signed every piece of spending junk that landed on his desk. He needed an illegal alien veto pen to do the the job his American veto pen wouldn't do

That's true, how does that change the fact that Barry and the dems took ownership?

41 posted on 02/20/2009 8:10:12 AM PST by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: Grampa Dave

CD’s, gold, silver...are looking better every day.

Cash is King.

Until inflation hits.


42 posted on 02/20/2009 8:11:19 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: tatsinfla
glad i finally moved 401k out of the stocks last week earlier this week...

You need to start an investment strategy, move small parts in as the market goes lower. Otherwise you will be sitting on fixed rates as the inflationary boom kicks in, or in bonds as interest rates rise. There is no single strategy that will work as deflation and inflation psychologies fight it out, you will have to keep after it and be nimble.

43 posted on 02/20/2009 8:12:57 AM PST by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: Turbo Pig

Obama took responsibility as soon as he took office, and so far that’s one month of mistakes, but that doesn’t change the fact there was a tremendous amount of malfeasance that preceded him. He shouldn’t be blamed for what W did, which was the result of eight years of terrible economic policy.


44 posted on 02/20/2009 8:16:25 AM PST by Moonman62 (I didn't compromise my soul to be popular. -- Jimmy Carter)
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To: NavyCanDo

“Me being the only conservative had to put my ear phones on to drown out their nonsense.”

You must work for the government?


45 posted on 02/20/2009 8:16:27 AM PST by mikelets456
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To: palmer

i will start looking into doing that...but not going to jump right in...i need to find some time to talk with my investment firm and map out a good plan...for the short term though seemed wise to move to a safe acct so i have something left...i see dow is down another 134 at the moment....


46 posted on 02/20/2009 8:17:39 AM PST by tatsinfla
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To: balls

47 posted on 02/20/2009 8:20:32 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . The original point of America was not to be Europe)
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To: BOBTHENAILER

Thanks.


48 posted on 02/20/2009 8:26:36 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Zer0's friends are criminals, foriegn/domestic terrorists, perverts, sexual deviates or tax cheats!)
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To: albie

Basically, anyone that’s not disfunctional is a fault.


49 posted on 02/20/2009 8:28:15 AM PST by dools007
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To: tatsinfla

Don’t know your firm, but I am always skeptical. My advice is to diversify, but change the mix as the market changes. If we continue down sharply then get a little more stock in increments until 50%. With a rebound and go-nowhere market like earlier this month, get back into cash (say 60/40 or 70/30). Like I said before, there are no good choices for “put it in X and forget about it”. The only exception to that is if you have an active fund manager who trades the swings as I described. One last piece of advice, wait for pullbacks in gold and get a little until you have 20%


50 posted on 02/20/2009 8:28:51 AM PST by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: palmer; tatsinfla
move small parts in as the market goes lower.

Usually traders like to buy when prices are going up and sell while they drop-- it's the old "trend-is-your-friend" (AKA "don't fight the tape") strategy.   The exception is dollar cost averaging, where a saver just plunks money at set intervals into a fund and forgets about it until say, 10 years later.

Both methods work because they're suited for different kinds of investing goals.

51 posted on 02/20/2009 8:40:59 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: Moonman62
He shouldn’t be blamed for what W did, which was the result of eight years of terrible economic policy.

He is at fault for continuing on and making it worse. Bush is no longer president. There is nothing that can change what has transpired, right or wrong. Barry is FULLY RESPONSIBLE for what happens from here on out, because of the actions he has taken over the last 33 days. His culpability is probably even higher, as he was a member of the governing body specifically, and party in general, that foisted the problem on the country to begin with.

52 posted on 02/20/2009 8:58:46 AM PST by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: expat_panama
trend-is-your-friend

I've concluded there's no trend in this market. Lots of negativity today, but look closely and you'll see just bloated corpses of dying bank stocks. All the good stocks I want (INTC, MSFT, miners, energy) are either up or have not dropped to my buy targets. I think if I waited for those to rise, that would be too late. Similarly waiting for them to peak and fall would be tricky. So in the zig zag market I am trying buy and sell targets instead.

53 posted on 02/20/2009 9:10:42 AM PST by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: expat_panama
Right, everything's Bush's fault and nothing is Obama's fault.

Here's what I actually said: (the full quote):

"He’s (Obama) sure not helping the situation but this train wreck had its genesis in the previous administration."

You cut and pasted the non-bolded part and omitted the bolded.

A reasonable person would interpret that to mean that this problem began on Bush's watch and is not being helped by Obama's current course of action. That was certainly my meaning, in any event.

Seeing as you're into building straw men and attempting to polarize the discussion, how about I play fast and loose with your words.

Here ya go: "Nothing is Bush's fault and everything is Obama's fault."

Next time you do a cut and paste job, try to do it honestly.

54 posted on 02/20/2009 9:20:20 AM PST by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future"- Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: marshmallow
"...what I actually said: (the full quote)..."

Maybe your intent was to just say the bank collapses began before Obama got elected but that wasn't what you posted.  Your post drew a connection between the "genesis" of the "train wreck" and "the previous administration".  

The rest of us can see how your original post 24 came on without all the font changes that got snuck into post 54, but that's not the point.. What's going on here is that for years we've had to listen to this goofy "everything's-Bush's-fault" crowd.  Of course we know that saying "everything's-Obama's-fault" is goofy too, but we're saying it because we're showing how the whole fault business is goofy.

55 posted on 02/20/2009 9:54:29 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: palmer

So our trend is sideways, the market’s in a correction, and instead of researching and buying I’m researching and researching. In the meantime it’s been loads of fun sitting on a pile of cash watching a price plunge that’ll make the next bull bigger than ever.


56 posted on 02/20/2009 11:42:44 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama
sitting on a pile of cash

Let me know when you decide to pull the trigger, I am curious. My market analogy is the 1970's where there were interesting buying opportunities but a series of upside-down "U"s. So you had to get in early because you never knew when the rally would peter out.

57 posted on 02/20/2009 12:06:43 PM PST by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: palmer
www.investors.com has a darn good approach of defining trends.   Their research has found that when we get a jump of a percent or more in at least one major index, and it happens after 4 up days, then we can call it a "confirmed rally" and we can start working our way back in.

Click on their  IBD TV - their "Market Wrap-up" with Ken Shreve comes out every day spelling everything all out.  Over the years my experience has been that they've been both consistent with themselves and good predictors of market movement.

Keep me posted on your take...

58 posted on 02/20/2009 1:00:50 PM PST by expat_panama
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To: marshmallow
Look, none of like Obama, OK? But blaming him for every plunge in the stock market makes us look like idiots and shills.

You must not have noticed that the market has lost confidence in 0 and Geithner. For a while we were hearing that the problem with the market was a lack of clarity, a need for the government to lay our their strategy clearly and with transparency. That sounds so naive now. With 0 running away from the Whitehouse at every opportunity and Geithner hiding under his bed, we have no reason to believe a fix is in the works any time soon and the market will continue to deteriorate.

59 posted on 02/20/2009 4:10:21 PM PST by balls
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To: marshmallow
Look, none of like Obama, OK? But blaming him for every plunge in the stock market makes us look like idiots and shills.

You must not have noticed that the market has lost confidence in 0 and Geithner. For a while we were hearing that the problem with the market was a lack of clarity, a need for the government to lay our their strategy clearly and with transparency. That sounds so naive now. With 0 running away from the Whitehouse at every opportunity and Geithner hiding under his bed, we have no reason to believe a fix is in the works any time soon and the market will continue to deteriorate.

60 posted on 02/20/2009 4:10:24 PM PST by balls
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