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MILEAGE TAX PROPOSED BY GOVERNMENT ON HOW FAR YOU DRIVE
The HANNITY SHOW ^ | 03/11/09 | Kackikat

Posted on 02/21/2009 4:01:37 AM PST by Kackikat

Last night the Hannity Show said that the dems are discussing a new MILEAGE TAX on how many miles we drive.

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KEYWORDS: bho44; bhodot; debt; dictatorship; doubletax; driving; hopeychangey; lahood; mileage; mileagetax; redistribution; taxes; taxincrease
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To: Abathar

I agree with you, but there are at least three states following this proposal with discussion of implementation, and isn’t that the point of the Transportation head to bring it up...so that the Obamamites would implement it in their state?? But like I said before, it is double taxation, when we are already paying a gas tax, so a mileage tax is for the same thing—driving miles.


101 posted on 02/21/2009 7:04:06 AM PST by Kackikat (.It's NOT over until it's over and it's NOT over yet....The Trumpet will sound....)
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To: No Socialist
I think we all ready have a mileage tax, it’s called the gas tax.

In North Carolina, that's somewhere around 24 cents a gallon... since I get (nearly) 24 miles to a gallon, that's already a penny per mile.

Meanwhile, the business mileage reimbursements are 50.5 cents, so here we go again with whacky, knee-jerk reaction conflicting/confiscatory tax policies again. We'd better darn well start raising up some serious candidates to challenge these yahoos quick... November 2010 isn't really that far away.

102 posted on 02/21/2009 7:05:56 AM PST by alancarp (Ban all H1B visas and solve unemployment instantly -- for free.)
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To: Kackikat
...and if the outcry is great enough he shelves it until a later date...when more acceptable!

Agreed - testing the waters...it will be back in another form.

103 posted on 02/21/2009 7:07:00 AM PST by IrishPennant ("We're surrounded...That simplifies our problem.")
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To: IrishPennant

And there are three states actually considering doing this now as a state tax, so see how they float an idea and their stooges at state level pick it up.
And you are right, what doesn’t get picked up by the stooges will come back in another form. Disgusting!


104 posted on 02/21/2009 7:10:30 AM PST by Kackikat (.It's NOT over until it's over and it's NOT over yet....The Trumpet will sound....)
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To: alancarp

I agree it is time to get some REAL CONSERVATIVES CAMPAIGNING for 2010!!


105 posted on 02/21/2009 7:11:51 AM PST by Kackikat (.It's NOT over until it's over and it's NOT over yet....The Trumpet will sound....)
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To: Billg64

False Messiahism


106 posted on 02/21/2009 7:12:46 AM PST by Kackikat (.It's NOT over until it's over and it's NOT over yet....The Trumpet will sound....)
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To: xzins
As cars become more and more efficient, the feds lose more and more revenue from gasoline taxes. Once they can convince enough people to get into 50 mile per gallon death traps, then they will need to tax people on how many miles they drive in order to make sure all that revenue keeps coming in.

At some point Americans will either have to take up arms and force the Federal Government to relinquish their authority over the states and the people, or we will have to relinquish our own sovereignty over ourselves and become complete slaves to the central government authority.

107 posted on 02/21/2009 7:16:58 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Kackikat

This would be punishment for everyone. Average Joe and his family cant drive to the mall or drive to thier favorite amusement park anymore. Who gets punished? the workers at those places who get laid off because there is nobody there, the gas stations, tire shops, repair places because people are parking thier cars because they cant afford to drive them. And who gets hurt most of all, Joe Average because now he has to listen to his bratty kids whine about be stuck at home.


108 posted on 02/21/2009 7:18:33 AM PST by Yorlik803 ( Freedom- 07-04-1776-11-06-2008. RIP)
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To: Dahoser
... those “Question Authority” buttons ...

And bumper stickers, which beg for the retort, “Sez who?”

109 posted on 02/21/2009 7:20:12 AM PST by dighton
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To: Kackikat

“your point alludes me”

the point is it’s disingenuous. it’s the usual misinformation & 3 card monty stuff we get with taxes.

the government & the media keep the people misinformed & deluded as to the real nature of the issues


110 posted on 02/21/2009 7:20:44 AM PST by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: Hardastarboard
Not true, the speed sensor for the emissions/timing is not dependent on the odometer/speedometer in most cars.
111 posted on 02/21/2009 7:23:59 AM PST by Woodman ("One of the most striking differences between a cat and a lie is that a cat has only nine lives." PW)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

You are absolutely correct. Thanks for being blunt.


112 posted on 02/21/2009 7:26:20 AM PST by Kackikat (.It's NOT over until it's over and it's NOT over yet....The Trumpet will sound....)
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To: CharacterCounts

You’re ignoring absolutely everything I’ve said about the impossibility of building the infrastructure to support this ludicrous dream.

Once again: the supporting infrastructure cannot be built.

And no supporting infrastructure = no GPS/mileage tax.

How much simpler does it need to be stated to you?


113 posted on 02/21/2009 7:30:31 AM PST by angkor
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To: Kackikat

The GPS system to track your mileage could just as easily track you. Not even Orwell could have imagined a system that keeps track of every citizen’s movements. It is none of the government’s business where I go.


114 posted on 02/21/2009 7:33:02 AM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: Yorlik803

You are hitting on something important here, because some see the stimulus and some of these concepts as intentional moves to destroy America. Tourism would definately be affected, because this would add to the cost of travel.

People intelligent enough to get a degree know this, so why all the “defeating ideas” that will only bring disaster?

AARP is a democratic org that supports the dem campaigns, and is a big RETIREE org. A large percentage of those Retirees own RV’s and travel...so they get hit hard to support the dems and now get screwed financially by them.

There is talk of another stimulus....now all of this debt for the US tells me that ‘FINANCIAL DEBT’ is one way of keeping America out of any future wars....how will we defend ourselves? We won’t be able to defend Israel either, and isn’t the destruction of Israel the whole point for muslims???

I put a link on FR about the FDR errors of stimulus pkgs, so if Obama went to Harvard he would know that. The UCLA Economists did a study published in 2004 and the article stated “we found that a relapse isn’t likely unless lawmakers gum up a recovery with ill conceived stimulus policies.”

Now my question is are they trying to gum up former efforts, and that is why they keep crying they “inherited” this mess” or are they just stupid??


115 posted on 02/21/2009 7:35:36 AM PST by Kackikat (.It's NOT over until it's over and it's NOT over yet....The Trumpet will sound....)
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To: Kackikat

They know what they are doing. They have been planning it for 8 years and began implementing it in September.


116 posted on 02/21/2009 7:37:25 AM PST by Blogger (Christians- Remember Nineveh.)
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To: Kackikat

They are not stupid, they are arrogant> which in this case is worse.
At least if they were stupid, maybe somebody could teach them about their mistakes, but arrongance is unfixable.


117 posted on 02/21/2009 7:38:32 AM PST by Yorlik803 ( Freedom- 07-04-1776-11-06-2008. RIP)
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To: angkor
How much simpler does it need to be stated to you?

I don't know? Could you be a little more condescending? Global warming is a fraud, but we are paying for it every day. Politics has nothing to do with whether something is technologically feasible, only whether it accomplishes a political goal. So, I defer to your vastly superior technological aptitude. But your political aptitude needs work.

118 posted on 02/21/2009 7:39:43 AM PST by CharacterCounts (November 4, 2008 - the day America drank the Kool-Aid)
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To: xzins; Kackikat

>>>>>> Do you agree that it’s possible to talk about the last days in a serious conversation? <<<<<<<

No I do not. But not for the reasons you may think. Rather I say that because almost every “last days” assertion I’ve ever heard or read here on FR (or elsewhere) fails to account for the numerous (limitless) other occasions in our present and past that entirely refute any “last days” assertion. For example, let’s talk about the Millerites.

>>>>>> Do you agree that it’s possible to use relevant quotes from all sources, including biblical sources, to make points about serious situations? <<<<<<

No I do not believe the Bible predicts events in such a manner as to be “decoded” by certain self-anointed insiders and “believers”. Event the Bible itself says that people should not and cannot do that, nor should such people be believed.

>>>>>> For example, if I were to say, “That’s Armageddon-level behavior.” does that mean that I’m necessarily predicting that some event is “the” Armageddon? <<<<<<

I don’t know what you mean by “Armageddon-level behavior” and I’d ask you what you meant by saying it.


119 posted on 02/21/2009 7:39:44 AM PST by angkor
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To: 1curiousmind

Are you crazy? Do you want to put alot of dents on your car?


120 posted on 02/21/2009 7:40:59 AM PST by lowbridge ("a little state control wouldn't hurt anybody" - Jerry Brown on the First Amendment)
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To: Kackikat

This is being proposed here in Oregon. Each and every (private) vehicle will have a GPS system installed. They will know where you go, when you go, how far you go and how long you stay. No mention of Public Transportation, Governors, False Prophets, Senators, and Congressmens vehicles. It is is out and out wrong!! Practice your Curtseys folks!!!! & JUST SAY NO


121 posted on 02/21/2009 7:41:06 AM PST by conservative_cyclist (doodan)
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To: Blogger

that makes sense, thanks.


122 posted on 02/21/2009 7:41:38 AM PST by Kackikat (.It's NOT over until it's over and it's NOT over yet....The Trumpet will sound....)
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To: Kackikat
Oh, my! Some blonde pundit named Nancy on Neil's biz show just compared Boy President to Sully...Barry's stimulus bill is like Sully landing that plane. Neil said—I knew Sully. Sully is a friend of mine. etc. She is calling bailouts “restructuring.” Neil just said she is back to taking bad medication. They are all ganging up on her--it's a riot.
123 posted on 02/21/2009 7:42:21 AM PST by Miss Didi ( "After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Yorlik803

His arrogance has yet to go visit the troops, and as Commander in Chief that was what Bush did first after being inaugerated. The big “O” had an interview on Al Jazeera, a visit to Canada, and some other socialist/marxist interests.


124 posted on 02/21/2009 7:43:29 AM PST by Kackikat (.It's NOT over until it's over and it's NOT over yet....The Trumpet will sound....)
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To: stentorian conservative

>>>>>
I was once part of the hand-wringing, worried about what the government is proposing to do instead of what they are actually doing crowd. <<<<<<<

I think you’d agree that they key to coming back to reality is to recognize that “the government” doesn’t do much of what people think it might do (e.g., “FICA warrantless wiretaps”) because in many cases it is impossible in reality to actually implement and execute in the real world what’s being asserted that government “can do” or “does do”.


125 posted on 02/21/2009 7:44:30 AM PST by angkor
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To: Miss Didi

That democrat KOOKAID is getting stronger and more damaging..Nancy and the buzzheads.


126 posted on 02/21/2009 7:45:55 AM PST by Kackikat (.It's NOT over until it's over and it's NOT over yet....The Trumpet will sound....)
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To: 1curiousmind

Totally worth the clean up. Thanks for the laugh this morning! ;)


127 posted on 02/21/2009 7:46:44 AM PST by AirForceMom (Locked and loaded, and sharpening my pitchfork.)
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To: Kackikat

The troops? They are in his eyes a bunch a blue collar morons and criminals who only joined because they couldnt keep their jobs at Walmart.
This man is the slime that slime wipes off its shoes.


128 posted on 02/21/2009 7:46:45 AM PST by Yorlik803 ( Freedom- 07-04-1776-11-06-2008. RIP)
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To: angkor; CharacterCounts

“You’re ignoring absolutely everything I’ve said about the impossibility of building the infrastructure to support this ludicrous dream.

Once again: the supporting infrastructure cannot be built.

And no supporting infrastructure = no GPS/mileage tax.

How much simpler does it need to be stated to you?”

And why should we take your word for this? What are your qualifications to make such a sweeping definitive statement?


129 posted on 02/21/2009 7:46:48 AM PST by Hischild
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To: CharacterCounts

>>>>>> I don’t know? Could you be a little more condescending? <<<<<<

This entire thread is about the implementation of a new kind of tax through a purely technical process and infrastructure.

Yet you think it’s all “political”!?!?!

Who’s being condescending?


130 posted on 02/21/2009 7:47:06 AM PST by angkor
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To: angkor
Who’s being condescending?

Even a dimwit such as myself can figure that one out. You have been lecturing everyone since the start of this thread. If you want polite discourse continue on. If you just want to imply that everyone but you is stupid, apply for a position at the Whitehouse, if you are not already employed there

131 posted on 02/21/2009 7:51:07 AM PST by CharacterCounts (November 4, 2008 - the day America drank the Kool-Aid)
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To: Yorlik803

It makes me wonder how the troop morale is, and how the officers are keeping up their spirits in this atmosphere of arrogance. When I was younger I was a USNR for many years,...so my concern is always the troops.


132 posted on 02/21/2009 7:51:50 AM PST by Kackikat (.It's NOT over until it's over and it's NOT over yet....The Trumpet will sound....)
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To: The Great RJ

There is so much new technology it’s scary. I watched a show the other day on “a bionic hand”, which the man could control with his mind. They took the bionic hand to a different country, and he could control that hand with his mind from where he was. So don’t let anyone tell you they couldn’t make the technology to know what’s on your odometer combined with your position at all times, and may already have it..


133 posted on 02/21/2009 7:55:08 AM PST by Kackikat (.It's NOT over until it's over and it's NOT over yet....The Trumpet will sound....)
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To: The Great RJ

To use his mind to operate the “bionic hand” took the implementation of a “chip”, but it worked.


134 posted on 02/21/2009 7:58:06 AM PST by Kackikat (.It's NOT over until it's over and it's NOT over yet....The Trumpet will sound....)
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To: Hischild

>>>>> And why should we take your word for this? What are your qualifications to make such a sweeping definitive statement? <<<<<<

Oh, you definitely should not.

Ask your elected representatives, they’ll be happy to explain to you how it all works and how it’ll be built by next year and for less than one billion dollars.

Heh.


135 posted on 02/21/2009 7:59:20 AM PST by angkor
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To: CharacterCounts

ROFL...


136 posted on 02/21/2009 8:00:44 AM PST by Kackikat (.It's NOT over until it's over and it's NOT over yet....The Trumpet will sound....)
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To: Woodman
I Guarantee you that someone would figure out either how to spoof the signal, or leave the GPS at home while driving.

Easy enough. Remove the real GPS and replace it with a fake one. End of story!

137 posted on 02/21/2009 8:02:16 AM PST by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: Kackikat

There has to be groups in Oregon that could get a ballot initiative going to stop the plans dead in its tracks. Now is the time to do it before it’s too late.


138 posted on 02/21/2009 8:02:56 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Kackikat
To your point in #34. You bet the deep well meters are coming. In western PA (where I live), recently a new sewage system was put in. Where we live, EVERYONE ha a couple acres of land, if not more. Plus, we live in the heart of a farming area. If were in a development, I could completely understand, but our per capita simply does not support the need for sewage. On top of that, we were FORCED by the state to pay tap in fees ($6200.00 per household). Originally, if you did not pay, a lien would be levied against your home. That turned into subpoenas and some folks have to literally take a second on their homes or they would have been forced to sell to pay the tap in fee (shit you not!).
So, little ol me pays the tap in fee and I figured that would be the end of it (I have not tapped in, my septic is only seven years old). Nope, they (the sewage authority) is trying to make me pay for 14 months of usage; even though I AM NOT TIED INTO THE SYSTEM!
We have heard rumblings about "water lines" coming through our area next. I suspect many will not tie in after the sewage fiasco and that is how they will try and get us with well meters.
139 posted on 02/21/2009 8:05:13 AM PST by Michael Barnes
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To: screaminsunshine
The “natives” out here are getting restless. I can hear the drums.

Those drums are usually pounded around fires too.

They are just BEGGING for an ass whipping! And they will get one.

140 posted on 02/21/2009 8:05:22 AM PST by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: CharacterCounts

>>>>>> apply for a position at the Whitehouse, if you are not already employed there <<<<<<<<

Seems like it is you who wants to stir up a lot of unnecessary angst for no particular reason.

And just to be clear, your arguments are irrational.

But really it’s more like they’re a-rational, since they address not a single point which can be argued on the merits or on the facts.

To put your fingers in your ears and repeatedly yell “It’s politics! It’s politics!” just makes you look ridiculous.


141 posted on 02/21/2009 8:06:42 AM PST by angkor
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To: Red_Devil 232
Watch them start advocating for installing limiter chips in the GPS system installed by mandate in your vehicle.

That's an environmentalist's dream. They'll raise the tax rate if you drive over a certain limit, say 50 miles or advocate for monthly travel quotas before they begin charging more per mile.

142 posted on 02/21/2009 8:06:45 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Kackikat

Under this plan, ALL ROADS BECOME TOLL ROADS.
This looks like a trial balloon, that just popped (for now).


143 posted on 02/21/2009 8:25:17 AM PST by PetroniDE (State of Texas -- Nope: STATE OF TAXES !! -- No Habla Espanol e Profanito !!)
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To: Kackikat

Und, vere are you goink anyvay? Do you need to go zere? Anyvay, do you haff your papers?


144 posted on 02/21/2009 8:30:25 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (The inmates are now officially running the asylum.)
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To: DivaDelMar
Well, I guess I won't have to pay a mileage tax then - I don't have a GPS.

Seriously, for those of us without GPS - will we be ordered to buy one for our vehicles? And if so, why can't we get a coupon to get one for free like the digital coupon for TV?

And if we don't have to get a GPS, how will they track our mileage. Will we have to go to a new government beauracracy station every Jan. 1st to have the Official Mileage Checker person post our mileage on Official Mileage Checker Form No. xxxxxxx?

145 posted on 02/21/2009 8:30:35 AM PST by 3catsanadog (I plan to give the new President the same respect and dignity the other side gave Bush.)
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To: Michael Barnes

And then after all the utilities (water and sewer bills) are in place, then if you aren’t paying city taxes they will ANNEX you and your taxes double. If you can’t pay those taxes, then you home is sold to highest bidder, after sheriff takes control, and you have to move losing any equity or payments you have made.

We don’t own anything anymore, just an interest in it, and a lawyer told me that years ago....this reminds me of the movie of the “Von Trappe” family in Austria called “The Sound of Music”..of course now there is no where to go to escape the coming NWO.


146 posted on 02/21/2009 8:32:17 AM PST by Kackikat (.It's NOT over until it's over and it's NOT over yet....The Trumpet will sound....)
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To: PetroniDE

Nothing has popped, as they are testing the waters to see what will fly with the American People. If they have to change it and wait a little while to implement, just know they will still be working behind the scenes...like the UNFAIR FAIRNESS DOCTRINE.


147 posted on 02/21/2009 8:37:02 AM PST by Kackikat (.It's NOT over until it's over and it's NOT over yet....The Trumpet will sound....)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

you may want to see someone about that speech impediment.


148 posted on 02/21/2009 8:37:57 AM PST by Kackikat (.It's NOT over until it's over and it's NOT over yet....The Trumpet will sound....)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

Isn’t Oregon a mostly dem state? Do you think they will oppose “the one”?


149 posted on 02/21/2009 8:40:04 AM PST by Kackikat (.It's NOT over until it's over and it's NOT over yet....The Trumpet will sound....)
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To: Kackikat

Prediction .... modified odometers gonna be for sale .......:o)


150 posted on 02/21/2009 8:40:14 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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