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Is Google Blocking FreeRepublic.com?
Poe.com ^ | February 22, 2009 | Richard Lawrence Poe

Posted on 02/22/2009 5:58:58 PM PST by Richard Poe

CONSERVATIVE COMANCHE blogger David Yeagley is enjoying a record surge in Web traffic, following the redesign of his BadEagle.com Web site. But you'd never know it from reading our Google Analytics report.

While most traffic counters show Yeagley's readership skyrocketing since the January 14 relaunch, Google Analytics shows Yeagley in a nose-dive. Part of the problem appears to be that Google is ignoring any traffic we get from the popular, conservative discussion board FreeRepublic.com.

As the designer of Yeagley's new site, I was pleased to see a big traffic spike on January 31, two weeks after our relaunch. The spike came largely from FreeRepublic.




The charts above -- both from WordPress Stats -- indicate that David Yeagley's BadEagle.com blog got a spike of 1,078 page views on January 31, at least 413 of which came from FreeRepublic.com. The chart below -- from Google Analytics -- shows no spike on January 31, and no sign of any traffic from FreeRepublic.com.



On January 30, a Freeper calling herself Sioux-san had posted Dr. Yeagley's article "Michael Medved and `White Women'" at FreeRepublic.com. She graciously provided a link back to BadEagle.com, where the original article appeared.

Over the next 24 hours, some 413 Freepers followed that link back to BadEagle, according to our internal traffic counter WordPress Stats. In its list of referring Web sites, WordPress clearly indicated that those 413 page views came from FreeRepublic, and at least 326 of them specifically from the article posted at FreeRepublic by Sioux-san.

Strangely, our Google Analytics account showed no sign of any visits from FreeRepublic during the same 24-hour period. Not a single visit. Not a single Freeper. Not one.

Indeed, while Site Meter and WordPress Stats showed a big spike in our traffic on January 31, Google Analytics showed a drop.

With its massive traffic, FreeRepublic ought to be a kingmaker on the Internet. It ought to be able to make or break other Web sites by choosing which sites to grace with its traffic and which sites to ignore.

Our experience with the mysterious, vanishing traffic spike of January 31 may indicate that liberal Internet gatekeepers have found a way to curtail FreeRepublic's influence -- and the influence of conservative Web sites generally.


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To: goodnesswins
At scroogle, site: freerepublic brings up a bunch of negative stuff.
51 posted on 02/22/2009 7:36:58 PM PST by Syncro (Ti Ming -- Use Librally)
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To: tlb
I do hope you aren't in the crowd who wants the news articles about the polls regarding attitudes towards Darwin relegated to RELIGION.

BTW, I read ALL, not just specific forums.

52 posted on 02/22/2009 7:37:41 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: neefer
Haven't checked since December but a couple of my FR threads were in the top 10 for SANTA CLAUS.

Which is truly frightening!

53 posted on 02/22/2009 7:38:50 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: familyop

Seriously though. Scroogle is really the fastest search engine I have ever used. It doesn’t have to record all
your personal details or download ads onto your PC.

It just zaps you the bare bones search return!

I really do appreciate the reference link
it makes a huge difference.

http://www.scroogle.com

With the Obama fascist web patrol on line, it will behoove all freepers to minimize their web footprint.

I may even go to a proxy IP address set up.

We should set up a thread on how freepers can minmize their web spoor traces.


54 posted on 02/22/2009 7:48:59 PM PST by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, ( member NRA)
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To: familyop

The Scroogle Scraper is GREAT! ;-)


55 posted on 02/22/2009 7:51:07 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified DeCartes))
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To: Richard Poe

I do quite a bit of SEO work and this may be the result of the absence of rel=”nofollow” tags for outbound links.

Google is trying to limit link “spamming” by “asking” forums, the developers of forum/blog/cms, etc., software to include the rel=”nofollow” tags.

It became common practice to “spam” forums with links to your site to build “link popularity”, traffic and to ultimately rank higher in the search engines.

This often works against Google’s relevancy goals.

I only looked at the source briefly but I didn’t find any such code.

Maybe Jim has another method.

My two cents.


56 posted on 02/22/2009 7:59:20 PM PST by Boucheau
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To: Richard Poe

You aren’t talking about click-throughs from ads are you? I’m not sure, but I don’t think FR displays any ads. The reason I’m not sure is that I don’t ever see any ads from any site. There are ways to avoid that. If that isn’t how you expect Google to track me, I still don’t understand what you’re getting at.


57 posted on 02/22/2009 8:00:01 PM PST by KarinG1 (Opinions expressed in this post are my own and do not necessarily represent those of sane people.)
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To: muawiyah

>>>I do hope you aren’t in the crowd who wants the news articles about the polls regarding attitudes towards Darwin relegated to RELIGION. BTW, I read ALL, not just specific forums.

I also read ALL. I’m open to looking at any views. But yes, if the spam is a sermon on Genesis masquerading as a story on Darwin, RELIGION seems the place for it.

More generally these blog editorials are not NEWS by any stretch of the imagination. Placing these spamming sermons on equal footing with NEWS and superior to the various threads on actual science which are automatically pushed off into CHAT is humiliating to this site’s credibility, not to mention violations of it’s own rules.

If the powers that be choose to permit and encourage this, you have to expect some fallout. I don’t know if colleges are or are not filtering FR. But if the censors can point to this it certainly would make it easier for them to do so.


58 posted on 02/22/2009 8:10:24 PM PST by tlb
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To: Richard Poe

Google counts but doesn’t give “credit” for all links coming into your site.

Google knows where the hits came from. It just isn’t including them in its algorithm.

Take the same site and examine the difference in the numbers of incoming links or backlinks using Yahoo! and then Google!

Google doesn’t list NEARLY as many as Yahoo!.

Google is “picky” about what incoming links are considered relevant to their relevancy goals—ugh!

Remember, people, Google is a PRIVATE company.

It has no obligation to list, link or promote your site.

I think it does a good job at a VERY difficult undertaking.

Even with something like 150 PHD’s on the payroll it is a monumental task to deliver the number of accurate search results and services that they provide.


59 posted on 02/22/2009 8:15:04 PM PST by Boucheau
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To: Richard Poe
Not even close.

Here is a search on Richard Poe Freerepublic.

Any FReeper who cares to, can do a Google search on their screen name. And certain images on the Google image search are most prevalently referenced to FR.

61 posted on 02/22/2009 8:18:58 PM PST by r9etb
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To: tlb
Maybe we should ABOLISH the categories. They dont' seem to serve any rational purpose other than making it possible for one set of snobs to piss on another set of snob's shibboliths.

We certainly don't want that sort of thing going on.

62 posted on 02/22/2009 8:25:15 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: KarinG1
KarinG1: If you would please continue to indulge me, and I appreciate your patience, how exactly would they know where I came to your site from? I don’t allow their scripts to run on my computer and I don’t allow referrer logging, so it seems to me that they would have difficulty tracking connections from my network. If they are doing so I’d really like to know how they do it so that I can put a stop to it.

Actually, I don't know how they do it. I lack the expertise to answer your question. It is entirely possible that Google may be unable track you, for all the reasons you state.

However, the fact remains that WordPress Stats showed anywhere from 326 to 413 Freepers viewing the BadEagle site on January 31, so obviously some Freepers can be tracked. The technological hurdles are evidently not so difficult to clear.

My question is, if WordPress Stats can do it, why can't Google? Is it because WordPress Stats has superior technology? Or is it because Google prefers not to track FreeRepublic-generated traffic?

If it is the latter, I humbly suggest that it might be in all of our interests to show a little more intellectual curiosity about this phenomenon, and try to understand what Google might have to gain by systematically underestimating the amount of FreeRepublic-generated traffic some Web sites are receiving.

I suggested a possible answer to this question at the end of my article. If my suspicion is correct, it would mean that Google is rigging the system. It would mean that Google is generating fraudulently misleading data, inflating the traffic statistics of Web sites it likes while deflating the statistics of sites that it dislikes.

The possibility that this may be happening should be a matter of concern for Freepers, in my humble opinion.
63 posted on 02/22/2009 8:35:36 PM PST by Richard Poe
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To: Richard Poe

You have your google analytics set up for your site, but you do not have the tracking cookie code on the page that was linked from Free Republic. Therefore, Google Analytics did not track it.

Cheers...


64 posted on 02/22/2009 8:43:43 PM PST by willyd (My Driver's License is under Obama's Birth Certificate officer.)
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To: justin99
justin99: Somehow I doubt a company the size of Google is worried about a website getting 400 hits per day when small websites get tens of thousands...

As I stated in my article, if Google systematically underestimates the level of outgoing traffic from FreeRepublic, then it decreases the influence of FreeRepublic on the Internet -- that is, the ability of FreeRepublic to help likeminded Web sites by linking to them.

If indeed Google is systematically underestimating the level of FreeRepublic's outgoing traffic, it is doing so in order to hurt and diminish FreeRepublic. To put it another way, FreeRepublic would be the intended target of such an operation.

Whatever harm might come to starving little Web sites such as BadEagle.com would be purely incidental.


65 posted on 02/22/2009 8:46:38 PM PST by Richard Poe
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To: r9etb
r9etb: Any FReeper who cares to, can do a Google search on their screen name. And certain images on the Google image search are most prevalently referenced to FR.

I'm afraid your point escaped me. It's not clear to me how this relates to my article. Pardon my slowness. Could you please rephrase?
66 posted on 02/22/2009 8:50:15 PM PST by Richard Poe
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To: aimhigh

Even more concerning - when a particular forum or blog is associated by Google and other engines with racism, White Supremacy, hate, race, and other “hate words”, filtering services such as BeSafeOnline, 8e6, and others used by individuals and schools associate those URLs with filtered/blocked content. Thus further quieting the conservative voice and keeping out of the reach of the younger generation.


67 posted on 02/22/2009 8:52:33 PM PST by TheBattman (Pray for our country....)
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To: Syncro

Hmmmmmm....Interesting....may have to send them a message....


68 posted on 02/22/2009 8:52:46 PM PST by goodnesswins (Conservative and fighting for freedom and liberty....whether you like it or not.)
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To: Syncro

Ah...I just remembered....doesn’t Scroogle.org just use Google for its searching? Without all the extraneous stuff? Which could explain the negative hits....which actually are on Google. FWIW


69 posted on 02/22/2009 8:53:50 PM PST by goodnesswins (Conservative and fighting for freedom and liberty....whether you like it or not.)
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To: willyd
willyd writes: You have your google analytics set up for your site, but you do not have the tracking cookie code on the page that was linked from Free Republic. Therefore, Google Analytics did not track it.

Well, that is interesting, but I still don't understand why WordPress Stats was able to track the traffic, while Google failed. Why the discrepancy? Please explain.
70 posted on 02/22/2009 8:54:40 PM PST by Richard Poe
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To: Richard Poe
I'm afraid your point escaped me. It's not clear to me how this relates to my article. Pardon my slowness. Could you please rephrase?

One can hardly accuse Google of "blocking" FR, given how very easy it is to use Google to accesses FR posts.

71 posted on 02/22/2009 8:56:23 PM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb
r9etb writes: One can hardly accuse Google of "blocking" FR, given how very easy it is to use Google to accesses FR posts.

With all due respect, I think you missed the point of my article. I did not write that Google was blocking access to FreeRepublic posts from the Google search engine. Rather, I suggested that Google Analytics might be systematically underestimating the level of outgoing traffic emanating from FreeRepublic to other Web sites.
72 posted on 02/22/2009 9:04:02 PM PST by Richard Poe
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To: Richard Poe
> Our experience with the mysterious, vanishing traffic spike of January 31 may indicate that liberal Internet gatekeepers have found a way to curtail FreeRepublic's influence -- and the influence of conservative Web sites generally.

Geez, what a pile of foolishness. I sure wish, before folks posted internet-based conspiracy threads, that they would learn a little about how the internet works.

  1. It's not a regulated, consistent service like your 120VAC wall outlet power. It has fluctuations, sometimes big ones. Sometimes there are breakdowns, delays, hangs, confusion.

  2. DNS (domain name resolution) can have huge effects on availability of any given website or range, and DNS fluctuates also. Sometimes wildly. A DNS failure in one place can appear to take a website in another place off the internet for hours or even days until it straightens out.

  3. The internet was designed to route around temporary outages or severe damage. Sometimes it takes it a little while to do so; sometimes it can't. Sometimes the re-routing is less than optimal.

  4. Sometimes it's your own browser, your own computer, your own ISP, or your ISP's connection to a backbone. It's not always the black freakin' helicopters.

  5. Network diagnostics and bencmarks often mislead or lie outright. Things change, morph, recover, break again.

  6. The answer is more dependent on how you ask the question than on the actual situation. And the situation varies, sometimes wildly.

  7. Internet "gatekeepers", liberal or otherwise, are your imagination working overtime. Maybe in their dreams, yeah; but the reality is that only local gatekeeping (like your ISP limiting your pipe) is likely to function as expected.

  8. The only practical way to block a site is to filter its packets out of the data stream. Doing so at the level of the general internet is impossible, because as noted above, the internet was designed to route around damage. It views blocking (and similar censorship) as "damage" and routes around it. Only if there is no other pathway, does it fail to automatically "fix" the problem.
You get the idea?

Sheesh. Calm down.

73 posted on 02/22/2009 9:17:50 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored; Richard Poe
I should perhaps add:

If your concern is that "liberal gatekeepers" are somehow "limiting the influence" of FreeRepublic by manipulating survey results, well... who cares?

The only thing that really counts is access, which is what I addressed above.

I, and most other like-minded conservatives and libertarians, don't pay attention to internet surveys. Surveys are untrustworthy even at their best.

We hit the websites we want to hit, which only requires internet access. If -that- gets blocked, we have a complaint.

74 posted on 02/22/2009 9:26:43 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored
dayglored writes: Sometimes it's your own browser, your own computer, your own ISP, or your ISP's connection to a backbone. It's not always the black freakin' helicopters.

I'm afraid that your comments do not speak to the point.

Let me repeat that WordPress Stats showed between 326 to 413 Freepers visiting BadEagle.com on January 31, while Google Analytics showed none.

Please explain to me how and why this might have occurred. And please be specific. Give me an actual theory which can be put to the test -- that is, a concrete, technical scenario which might conceivably have yielded this result.

I will then consider your theory, and let you know whether or not it fits the circumstances of this particular case. If it does not fit the circumstances of this particular case, I will then invite you to propose an alternate theory.

This sort of discussion would be far more productive, I think, than breezy dismissals of "black helicopters", "conspiracy theories" and the like.
75 posted on 02/23/2009 4:24:51 AM PST by Richard Poe
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To: dayglored
dayglored: If your concern is that "liberal gatekeepers" are somehow "limiting the influence" of FreeRepublic by manipulating survey results, well... who cares?

The fact that you don't personally care whether or not Google might be waging infowar on FreeRepublic is potentially interesting, I suppose, from an ideological, psychological and perhaps even moral standpoint.

However, your expressions of personal apathy should not be confused with actual discussion of the technical anomaly noted in my article above, to wit, the discrepancy between the traffic reports of WordPress Stats and Google Analytics on January 31, 2009.

Please let's stay on topic.
76 posted on 02/23/2009 4:52:05 AM PST by Richard Poe
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To: Richard Poe

Curious........ How does this system work whereby an article posted on FR with a link back to your site creates a hit countable by Google analytics? Are you saying Google Analytics is monitoring every visit to your site?

If so and the following on Google Analytics is supposed to be the trigger then I think you have an issue with Google Analytics: “Paste the Google Analytics tracking code into each of your website pages and tracking begins immediately.”

Playing to the ‘what’s Google doing’ theory on FR won’t get your issue resolved or answered. You need to be discussing this issue with Google using your contract with them and looking for resolution or your money back. FR isn’t the source of your problem. JMO


78 posted on 02/23/2009 6:04:12 AM PST by deport
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To: justin99
Justin99: Nothing like a concocting a “liberal conspiracy” to able allow oneself to repeatedly use FR to advertise their website...

Supppose it were true that I posted this article as an advertising stunt. It is not true, but suppose it were. What would be the best reaction to such a stunt?

The obvious solution would be to ignore it. Just let the discussion die. Most threads on FreeRepublic dwindle away after a few minutes anyway. Why not let this one die like the others?

For some reason, that is not enough for you. You and a number of other commentators on this thread seem to feel a strong compulsion to make absolutely sure that anything posted here which might tend to cast doubt on the integrity of Google's page ranking system must be debunked and discredited, for the record.

Why is that? What's in it for you? Why have you folks appointed yourselves as guardians of Google's honor? And, having set yourselves up as defenders of Google, why are you unable to carry out your mission in a civil and gentlemanly fashion, using reasoned arguments and hard evidence?

Instead you resort to condescension, obscurantism, misdirection, mind-numbing repetition of irrelevancies and, now, attacks upon my character and motivation.

These are the tactics of propagandists and disinformers. Why are we seeing such tactics on this thread?


79 posted on 02/23/2009 6:37:06 AM PST by Richard Poe
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To: deport
deport: Playing to the ‘what’s Google doing’ theory on FR won’t get your issue resolved or answered.

Actually, what I was hoping to accomplish by posting this article on FreeRepublic was to solicit the opinions of intelligent people with greater knowledge of the Internet than I have, who might be able to shed light on this issue and help me understand whether or not the discrepancy I discovered in Google Analytics' traffic report of January 31, 2009 is innocent or malicious.

Either way, the information I reported has potential repercussions for FreeRepublic, and logically should have been of interest to Freepers.

Sadly, my post failed to generate intelligent discussion. Instead, it generated strong and determined opposition of a most curious kind. This has been a learning experience, to be sure, but the lessons I learned here are not the sort I expected.


80 posted on 02/23/2009 6:54:55 AM PST by Richard Poe
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To: Richard Poe

My point and question still remains “ have you contacted Google Analytics to get their answer as to why’? If not coming to FR for the answer for Goggle Analytics’ operation, imo. It appears you must embed a code on your web page for Google Analytics to work. Has that been done correctly for Google Analytics as you seem to be getting tracking for other web monitors? If has been embedded corrrectly then your issue is with Google Analytics not FR as I’ve stated before. JMO of course.


81 posted on 02/23/2009 7:02:13 AM PST by deport
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To: Richard Poe
> I'm afraid that your comments do not speak to the point.

Short form answer

My point was that you used the scary term "blocking" when you really only meant "ignoring", and I suspected that you did so intentionally, to gain readership and increase hits on your personal blog. That is, you posted the article in "news", not "blogs", where it belonged, IMO.

Long-form answer

I called you on a point of confusion. You conflated two very different things in your post, I think intentionally.

1. First, per the scary, attention-grabbing headline, "Is Google Blocking FreeRepublic?", I'm sure you're aware that the term "blocking" refers to prohibiting access. Ask 100 websurfers what that means, and 99 will respond (incorrectly, unfortunately) that it means Google is keeping them from accessing FreeRepublic.

A thread to that effect appears every week or so, universally caused by the websurfer having a DNS issue, or their ISP is having trouble peering at the backbone, or some such mundane cause.

That's why I tried to explain that Google cannot block FREEREPUBLIC.COM on the internet, and that symptoms that might suggest to a fearful FR websurfer that one site is blocking another are almost universally caused by something else unrelated to the site accused of "blocking". Most often it's a DNS hiccup somewhere else on the net.

As I'm sure you also know, there are a lot of FReepers who are convinced that Google is the Antichrist or at least one of his minions on earth, that Google is out to destroy FreeRepublic.com, and eagerly snap up any alleged evidence of same. Your headline intentionally fed that fear, which I consider unworthy of a serious post.

What you meant to convey was that "Is Google blocking FreeRepublic from itself?", which is obviously untrue with regard to searches, since searches on Google with "site:freerepublic.com" return a deluge of successful hits.

2. Second, that it appeared that (as you said in the body of the article), "Google is ignoring [FreeRepublic]" in the context of its Analytics surveys.

Maybe it is. I can't say for sure, I'm not privy to that info, and neither are you. You have identified an interesting event. You are suggesting a worrisome cause (intentional bias against conservative websites), which I find unlikely because it's far too easy to see.

> Give me an actual theory which can be put to the test

I'd love to, but these events are in the past. Neither you nor I can possibly recreate the network conditions and related circumstances on the internet (which constantly change and are largely go unrecorded in any form we can find now) that could have caused one site to not see another site for hours or a day or two.

The pertinent datum, which I must have missed in your article, is: Is this ignoring still going on?

If it was a glitch (albeit an annoying one to you), then I maintain that "glitches happen", and sorry this was a troubling one.

But to claim that this is somehow evidence of a large coordinated liberal effort to silence conservative websites makes you sound like Hillary with the VRWC claims.

The simplest explanation for "why this might have occurred" is that Google screwed up. How? Got me, I wasn't there. But remember how for an hour on a recent Saturday morning, Google accidentally labeled every website on the internet as being "unsafe for your computer", including google.com itself? All due to a single character (one! a forward-slash, if you're curious) in a text file, maintained by a human being.

Your point in the article is, "OMG Look what happened on the internet! Come read my blog!!"

My point is simply, "Yep. Stuff happens on the internet. It isn't all news."

That said, if you have evidence of continuing refusal on the part of Google to acknowledge FreeRepublic.com, I suggest that you contact Google immediately and present your evidence. Posting a scary thread on FR doesn't do anything to directly address the problem; it merely stirs up the FR readership. Google employees doubtless include a few FR members, but that's not the direct route to fixing a problem.

Good luck!

82 posted on 02/23/2009 7:27:22 AM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Richard Poe
> The fact that you don't personally care whether or not Google might be waging infowar on FreeRepublic is potentially interesting, I suppose, from an ideological, psychological and perhaps even moral standpoint.

You -are- joking, right? Sheesh. Please calm down. Nothing of the sort is going on.

Compare the influence of Google Analytics to Google Search. Then do a Google Search with "site:freerepublic.com", and you see:

Results 1 - 20 of 1,420,000 English pages from freerepublic.com. (0.18 seconds)
A million and a half page hits immediately.

Yep, Google is blocking FreeRepublic. Netcraft confirms it.

83 posted on 02/23/2009 7:33:35 AM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Richard Poe; deport; justin99
> ...solicit the opinions of intelligent people with greater knowledge of the Internet than I have, who might be able to shed light on this issue and help me understand whether or not the discrepancy I discovered in Google Analytics' traffic report of January 31, 2009 is innocent or malicious....Sadly, my post failed to generate intelligent discussion. Instead, it generated strong and determined opposition of a most curious kind.

No, you simply didn't get the answer you wanted.

You wanted confirmation of your worst fears, and to drive traffic to your blog. Instead, you got, "Nope, probably just a net glitch or an error in your own stuff. Please pimp your blog over in the 'Bloggers' area."

And you're surprised and shocked that the "intelligent people with greater knowledge of the internet" didn't agree with you. Oh well. ;-)

I hope your day improves.

84 posted on 02/23/2009 7:38:41 AM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
They have also been removing unfavorable images and cartoons targeted at Obama. There seems to be a general cleansing of conservative content. Orwellian.

This is certainly true. I searched google images yesterday for freerepublic.com and paulycy and the only image (of many) that I posted that showed up was an old image talking about global warming. Not one other image showed up.

It seems to me that there would either be a lot or none. This selective filtering is at least suspicious in my mind.

85 posted on 02/23/2009 7:44:25 AM PST by paulycy (BEWARE the LIBERAL/MEDIA Complex)
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To: paulycy

One of the ones that seemed to disappear was the comical photo released of Obama flexing recently sculpted pecs. They seem to have been removing and cleansing the image archive of .gifs and .jpgs that portray Obama negatively, including certain cartoons and caricatures. That does not seem to be the case with Bush, for instance. Or even McCain.
If there is a double standard that calls into question the search engine’s claim to being a source of online information. Obviously, a political site itself, censoring non-liberal content and thereby distorting the news and reality. Like the Orwellian removal of words from a dictionary.


86 posted on 02/23/2009 7:54:19 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Richard Poe
With all due respect, I think you missed the point of my article. I did not write that Google was blocking access to FreeRepublic posts....

Then perhaps you should have called your article something other than "Is Google Blocking FreeRepublic.com?"

87 posted on 02/23/2009 8:03:42 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Richard Poe

bttt


88 posted on 02/23/2009 9:00:43 AM PST by GOPJ (The MSM will trumpet every hard luck housing story they can find to undermine Santelli.)
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To: dayglored
dayglored: Please pimp your blog over in the 'Bloggers' area."

BadEagle.com is not my blog. It belongs to Dr. David Yeagley. I did some development work on it, but the site does not belong to me. I have no personal stake in its future, beyond my good wishes for the success of my friend Dr. Yeagley.

When you accuse me of "pimping" "my" blog, you are, in effect, spreading disinformation, misleading your fellow Freepers, and abusing your privileges as a FreeRepublic user.

In future, please refrain from posting false or misleading information on this thread.


89 posted on 02/23/2009 9:08:30 AM PST by Richard Poe
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To: Richard Poe

Google analytics requires the java code at the bottom of every page you wish to track under a certain url.

Word press does not require that script (or a similar one) to function.

It is that simple. You have Google Analytics set up incorrectly.


90 posted on 02/23/2009 9:15:09 AM PST by willyd (My Driver's License is under Obama's Birth Certificate officer.)
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To: willyd
willyd: Google analytics requires the java code at the bottom of every page you wish to track under a certain url. Word press does not require that script (or a similar one) to function. It is that simple. You have Google Analytics set up incorrectly.

Thank you for that suggestion. I will look into it, to see if it is true.

I should point out, however, that Google Analytics has had no problem showing incoming traffic from other sites such as Vdare.com. No special adjustments to the java script were made in order to get reports on Vdare traffic. Yet the reports have been coming through.

Perhaps Google Analytics sets the bar higher for FreeRepublic than it does for other sites -- which brings us back to my original point, doesn't it?


91 posted on 02/23/2009 9:28:45 AM PST by Richard Poe
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To: Richard Poe
>> Please pimp your blog over in the 'Bloggers' area."

> BadEagle.com is not my blog... When you accuse me of "pimping" "my" blog, you are, in effect, spreading disinformation, misleading your fellow Freepers, and abusing your privileges as a FreeRepublic user. In future, please refrain from posting false or misleading information on this thread.

Ahem. Step away from your high horse, please.

Please take a moment and click the link you provided for the post above:

http://www.poe.com/2009/02/22/is-google-blocking-freerepublic
Is that not your blog site???

My profound apologies if I misinterpreted "POE.COM" as being related to "Richard Poe". I mean, your picture and name are all over the site...

Stop playing word games, please.

You're entirely welcome to post stuff from your blog, over in the "Bloggers" area. Or aren't you aware that that area exists specifically because the rest of us aren't all that interested in having blog posters mixing their personal blog stuff in with actual news? Blog posts are one step this side of "Vanity" posts; the only functional difference is a blogger bothers to set up a site for their stuff.

That said, IF you are able to ascertain through a pattern of repeated surveys, that Google Analytics is indeed ignoring FreeRepublic.com, AND you can demonstrate that your reasonable attempts to get their attention and correct the problem have been met with refusal, THEN you've got some news to report.

Many of us, including myself, would be fascinated to learn of this. I'm not apathetic about a problem like that. I'm apathetic about Google Analytics experiencing what appears to be a glitch for a day.

I've spent as much time on this as I care to. If you wish to respond, I'll read and consider your response. But I've heard your position, I've said my piece, and since we seem to disagree on pretty obvious stuff, further disagreement isn't likely to be productive.

Richard, you've been on FreeRepublic since 2002, a couple years longer than I have. I feel a little funny correcting someone who's got more time on the forum than I do. Nevertheless, you're talking like a noob (no knowing what link you provided for a post). I hope it's only temporary.

Have a great day.

92 posted on 02/23/2009 9:36:13 AM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: willyd
Google analytics requires the java code at the bottom of every page you wish to track under a certain url.
I think you have hit the nail on the head but the info is hitting a brick wall. I posted same thing up thread directly from Google Analytics and it went right over the top. My guess is someone screwed the pooch and never installed the link for tracking on the blog web page or if they did they screwed up the installation, etc. No black helicopters flying around this project just lack of beginning the search at the source, imo.

From Google Analytics: “Paste the Google Analytics tracking code into each of your website pages and tracking begins immediately.”

93 posted on 02/23/2009 9:38:40 AM PST by deport
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To: deport; willyd
> I think you have hit the nail on the head but the info is hitting a brick wall. I posted same thing up thread directly from Google Analytics and it went right over the top.

Yep. That's a better explanation that my suggestion of a glitch in the net between FR and Google Analytics. Well done.

Gee, maybe somebody spent far too much time constructing a conspiracy scenario to drive traffic to their blog, and now might have to admit they just made a programming error.

The part about "tracking begins immediately" suggests that a careful programmer could have had immediate feedback on whether it was working or not.

Let's see how long it takes to confirm/deny your speculation, or whether this thread just quietly dies out... ;-)

94 posted on 02/23/2009 10:12:59 AM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored
justin99 wrote: You know what they say, there is no such thing as bad publicity (especially when you keep repeating your ‘product’ over and over and over, in a transparent attempt to get more Google hits and cement the FR/badeagle link on future google/web searches...

Whereupon dayglored wrote: Please pimp your blog over in the 'Bloggers' area."

Dear dayglored:

I beg your pardon for confusing your point with justin99's point. Justin99 accused me of posting this article in an effort to promote BadEagle.com. When you subsequently accused me of "pimping" my blog, I assumed you were making the same charge about the same blog. My mistake.

It's getting a little difficult to keep track of the many personal attacks directed against me on this thread, and to separate one from the other. My apologies. In future, I will try to keep better track of who is accusing me of pimping for what.


95 posted on 02/23/2009 11:08:05 AM PST by Richard Poe
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To: dayglored
dayglored also writes: You're entirely welcome to post stuff from your blog, over in the "Bloggers" area. Or aren't you aware that that area exists specifically because the rest of us aren't all that interested in having blog posters mixing their personal blog stuff in with actual news?

Dear dayglored:

If you think my articles don't belong in the News/Activism section, you'll have to take that up with Jim Robinson.

Years ago, Mr. Robinson graciously extended to me a lifelong invitation to post my writings in the News/Activism section whenever I wished, as often as I wished, whether they came from my blog, my columns, my feature articles, my books or wherever else.

He did this because he knew me as an award-winning, professional journalist and a New York Times-bestselling author, whom he wished to encourage to post more frequently at FreeRepublic. Evidently, Mr. Robinson believed that FreeRepublic would benefit from featuring more of my work.

If you think Mr. Robinson was wrong about me, and you wish to persuade him to reconsider his policy toward me, I suggest you send him a Freepmail.
96 posted on 02/23/2009 11:19:13 AM PST by Richard Poe
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To: Richard Poe
> Years ago, Mr. Robinson graciously extended to me a lifelong invitation to post my writings in the News/Activism section... If you think Mr. Robinson was wrong about me, and you wish to persuade him to reconsider his policy toward me, I suggest you send him a Freepmail.

I stand corrected, and apologize for know realizing that.

We are all guests here in Jim's virtual living room, and I appreciate my opportunity to post and discuss things here, just as you appreciate yours.

Go for it. ;-)

> It's getting a little difficult to keep track of the many personal attacks directed against me...

Actually I meant only to give you a hard time for your choice of forum area -- you will note I did not say you shouldn't post the article. You've wised me up to the fact that you're permitted to do so, so I have backed down as above.

I'm sorry if it seemed personal. The only personal comment I made (intentionally anyway) was about the links (one site vs. another) which you've explained. I apologize for any offense I gave.

You may rest assured that you can enjoy the rest of the thread without fear of further hard time from me.

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That said, the issue of whether your article describes a noxious and unethical action on the part of Google, or a programming error on their or your part, or a glitch on the net, is still up for resolution. So I offer a further thought.

I would presume that there are other blogsites of conservative (or other) orientation, which get significant hits via FreeRepublic, and which use Google Analytics to track hits and whatnot. Presumably they have code to activate G.A. Are any of them reporting problems? (Not being a G.A. user myself, I can't offer knowledgeable advice on how to look that up, but I suppose it's available.) If G.A. has the "influence" you attribute to it, the information surely must be public at some level. I remain curious to know how this shakes out.

FWIW, I distrust Google intensely, and as Director of my company's IT/SysAdmin group, I have some pretty strong rules about not dealing with Google, other than their search. No Gmail, no toolbars, etc. If they're doing biased stuff in G.A., even though I think it's very unlikely, I am very interested to know.

Best of luck with your investigation!

97 posted on 02/23/2009 12:11:58 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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Ackkk. Typo!

> ...for know realizing..

"for not realizing"

I won't begin to describe the edit sequence that produced that one. ;-)

98 posted on 02/23/2009 12:16:26 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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I wrote:

> If your concern is that "liberal gatekeepers" are somehow "limiting the influence" of FreeRepublic by manipulating survey results, well... who cares? ... I, and most other like-minded conservatives and libertarians, don't pay attention to internet surveys. Surveys are untrustworthy even at their best.

Then I wrote:

> If they're doing biased stuff in G.A., even though I think it's very unlikely, I am very interested to know.

Yes, that's a change in my position. You've convinced me that it's worth following up on this one.

99 posted on 02/23/2009 12:23:19 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Richard Poe

I’m sure your point is valid.. okay maybe I’m not that sure, I sometimes exaggerate... but we just have so much to be alarmed about these days it is hard to get real serious about some stuff. I mean, you yourself admit that you aren’t really sure about this while a couple of hundred miles south of me nobody disputes the fact that drug violence along our southern border threatens to spill over into Texas, our new president appears to be totally incompetent and possibly in the process of destroying our economy, etc. I hope you can get the Google thing sorted out and I wish you nothing but the best in that effort.


100 posted on 02/23/2009 4:53:27 PM PST by KarinG1 (Opinions expressed in this post are my own and do not necessarily represent those of sane people.)
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