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Evolution debate persists because it's not science
The Sun News ^ | February 23, 2009 | By Raymond H. Kocot

Posted on 02/22/2009 10:58:04 PM PST by GodGunsGuts

Opinion

Monday, Feb. 23, 2009

Evolution debate persists because it's not science

By Raymond H. Kocot

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But did you ever wonder why Darwinism's general theory of evolution, sometimes called macroevolution, has been debated for over 150 years without resolution? The surprising answer is Darwin's macroevolution theory is not a legitimate science. The National Academy of Sciences clearly defined science in its 1998 guidebook for science teachers. The definition begins with [stating that] science is a particular way of knowing about the world, and ends with, "Anything that can be observed or measured is amenable to scientific investigation. Explanations that cannot be based on empirical evidence are not part of science." In other words, a legitimate scientific theory (a hypothesis or idea) must be observable in real time and must be testable, yielding reproducible results. That is the core of the scientific method that has brought man out of the Dark Ages.

Because confirmable observations and generating experimental data are impossible for unique events like life's origin and macroevolution theory, world-famous evolutionary biologist Ernst Mayr prompts evolutionists to construct historical narratives to try to explain evolutionary events or processes. In other words, stories are all evolutionists can muster to support macroevolution theory. If macroevolution theory, which must rest on faith in a story and is considered to be scientific, why not the creation story. With that in mind, it is no wonder the molecules-to-man debate has persisted for 150 years...

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To: DallasMike

I am an atheist asking a question...

What evolutionary viability is there in a homosexual relationship?

Nobody seems to want to answer that one...


401 posted on 02/23/2009 6:59:44 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Like I saked you earlier... a-hole...

What evolutionary viability is there in a homosexual relationship?

ANSWER: ZERO...

You really are on a loop. Homos, Pale horses, pooh eating, homos... Have you ever considered that, given your perseveration, that you might be autistic?
402 posted on 02/23/2009 7:00:48 PM PST by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
I am an atheist asking a question...

What evolutionary viability is there in a homosexual relationship?

Nobody seems to want to answer that one...

Here. Are you going to get all hot and bothered about federal buildings again now?
403 posted on 02/23/2009 7:04:30 PM PST by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: ketsu
What evolutionary viability is there in a homosexual relationship???

ANSWER: ZERO... Mammals cannot reproduce that way...

404 posted on 02/23/2009 7:09:13 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: ketsu
I have a wife, eleven children, two married and nine still at home being homeschooled, a full-time engineering job (for as log as it lasts), a farm with livestock, and a house that needs a lot of fixing.

I just finished an algebra class I'm giving to three of the children.

I may not have as much time on my hands as others.

I comment sometimes when I'm waiting for a long compile or install, or I'm enjoying some coffee for a minute during a break from all the things I'm in the middle of doing.

I've already blown my budgeted play time today, so I must pull away.

I used to believe like you. I was an evolutionist, an atheist. I believed that

Then Jesus saved me.

Needless to say, the change was profound, and I have been immeasurabley blessed by it.

I pray that you too will find that same peace.

405 posted on 02/23/2009 7:10:46 PM PST by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
What evolutionary viability is there in a homosexual relationship???

ANSWER: ZERO... Mammals cannot reproduce that way...

Are you rocking back and forth as you write this?
406 posted on 02/23/2009 7:13:08 PM PST by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: Westbrook
I used to believe like you. I was an evolutionist, an atheist. I believed that
You said it. Not me.
407 posted on 02/23/2009 7:16:25 PM PST by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: Westbrook
I used to believe like you. I was an evolutionist, an atheist. I believed that
You said it. Not me.
408 posted on 02/23/2009 7:16:26 PM PST by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
ketsu and others like him are long established trolls who are only here to stab at the religious folks...

I recognize ketsu's liberal zealotry and shallow depth of argument.

It matches those liberal zealots on far left web sites; same focus, same enemies, same thoughts, same tact and phraseology. A liberal clone.

409 posted on 02/23/2009 7:36:47 PM PST by Old Landmarks (No fear of man, none!)
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To: editor-surveyor
Trust me, you need way more study. The “end of the Jewish age” will be at the end of the millenium. Read Romans 11 carefully. The Jews will be saved through Christ, but they get a pass until the end of the Gentile age.
Yes, the Jews will be saved through Jesus Christ. However, you need to read the Mt. Olivet discourse thoroughly. Note that the Greek does not refer to the end of the world, but rather to the end of the age (aeion). Here's a good chunk of R.C. Sproul's book on the subject. Here's a good review of his book.

410 posted on 02/23/2009 7:36:56 PM PST by DallasMike
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To: Old Landmarks
I recognize ketsu's liberal zealotry and shallow depth of argument.

It matches those liberal zealots on far left web sites; same focus, same enemies, same thoughts, same tact and phraseology. A liberal clone.

Translation: My Crevo bs isn't working, people who disagree with me must be liberal!

Crevos are second to RINOs as the biggest parasite on the conservative movement.

411 posted on 02/23/2009 7:45:22 PM PST by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: woollyone
deep within myself that you were so jealous of my Harley.

No. Harley riders have made me hate them because of their loud pipes and detuning to make them backfire as they come off their throttles.

412 posted on 02/23/2009 7:52:42 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

I am an atheist asking a question...

What evolutionary viability is there in a homosexual relationship?

None at all that I can think of. Yes, we do find homosexuality practiced in nature (though it is usually more of a dominance behavior than a "lifestyle" behavior). However, as a Christian, I do not believe that everything found in the animal population means that it is okay for humans. Some animals eat their young while others engage in cannibalism. Neither one have any evolutionary viability nor should be taken as an example of proper morality.

I know that I'll get slammed for this, but while I believe that homesexual behavior is a sin and is considered by God to be one of the greater sins, I do not hate homosexuals. God loves homosexuals and so do I. God just hates the sin just as he hates all sin. Some homosexuals become Christians and find that the urge ends. Others have to struggle with it for the rest of their lives, just as some struggle with other sins for the rest of their lives. God gives us the power to triumph over sin, but humans -- and I certainly count myself human -- often give in to sin rather than triumph.

As for atheism, that is most definitely curable! If all I knew about Chritianity was what I read in all of these Young-Earth Creationism threads, I would probably be an atheist, too. It's embarassing to see the willful lack of knowledge. God loves you and Jesus Christ gave his life on the cross for you to be reconciled with God the Father.

I used to believe that there had to be some sort of leap of faith required -- a faith in something that might or might not be real. However, after growing in Christ and seeing miracle after miracle -- especially the changes that God can make in people's lives -- I realize that faith really involves trust more than anything else. Christians are not guaranteed a life free of persecution and temptations. Nor are we guaranteed to be wealthy and free of temptation. What we are promised is that, if we put our trust in Jesus Christ, he will be with us every step of the way and we will spend eternity with him.

If you want to talk more, please FreepMail me. Blessings upon you.


413 posted on 02/23/2009 7:57:45 PM PST by DallasMike
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To: woollyone

Ocala is NOT south Florida.


414 posted on 02/23/2009 7:59:46 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: Cedric

http://smashedfrog.blogspot.com/2006/09/to-catch-predator-er-mark-foley-r-fl.html


415 posted on 02/23/2009 8:09:44 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: woollyone
Oh...what kind of technological marvel of a bike did you say you ride?

Rest assured that my mode of transportation will blow away your Harley on both acceleration and top speed.

416 posted on 02/23/2009 8:16:26 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: ketsu
Hardcore evolutionists are liberals in almost all cases. Thus most of them hate true conservatism and follow the left as it 'progresses' toward moral anarchy.

They all oppose the fact that we are "Endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights."

They side with the far left and take issue with our pledge of "One nation under God".

They are almost always in lock step with the far left nineteen sixties liberals who hated America and pushed their far left social agenda. They both take shots at social conservatives and America's cultural and religious history while showing ignorance of our legal history.

The Hardcore Free Republic Evolutionists are mostly social liberals who pretend to be something else, never admitting what they really are, blind liberals who think social conservatives are the enemy of the state.

417 posted on 02/23/2009 8:37:22 PM PST by Old Landmarks (No fear of man, none!)
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To: Old Landmarks

The Hardcore Free Republic Evolutionists take a liberal stand on almost every important moral and political issue with the exception of gun control. Their posts on non-evo threads bears that out. You can count on not seeing a conservative position when you see their screenname at the bottom of their post.

As a whole, they’re the biggest supporters of big government control of any group I’ve seen on FR.

Very concise analysis.


418 posted on 02/23/2009 8:49:03 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: DallasMike

The age of which he spoke is the age in which we now live, not the end of the world or the day of the early church.

RC Sproul is blinded by the same anti-semitism as the Roman Catholic Church is. That is what replaced the early church in the fourth century. Luther had the same bias, so it continued through the early reformation unabated.

Look around at what you see. I always thought that the U.S. would never be a part of any tyrannical antichrist regeime, but Obama hates Christ almost as much as he hates freedom.


419 posted on 02/23/2009 8:55:54 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


420 posted on 02/23/2009 9:08:58 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Old Landmarks
Hardcore evolutionists are liberals in almost all cases. Thus most of them hate true conservatism and follow the left as it 'progresses' toward moral anarchy.

They all oppose the fact that we are "Endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights."

They side with the far left and take issue with our pledge of "One nation under God".

They are almost always in lock step with the far left nineteen sixties liberals who hated America and pushed their far left social agenda. They both take shots at social conservatives and America's cultural and religious history while showing ignorance of our legal history.

The Hardcore Free Republic Evolutionists are mostly social liberals who pretend to be something else, never admitting what they really are, blind liberals who think social conservatives are the enemy of the state.

Yes Sigmund, you know me. Have you considered a second career in psychoanalysis?
421 posted on 02/23/2009 9:25:57 PM PST by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: xzins

Indeed. Thanks for the ping, dear brother in Christ!


422 posted on 02/23/2009 9:26:35 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: ketsu; GodGunsGuts
“Translation: crazy Crevos find something they don’t want to believe, come up with cockamamie theories that only other dumb crevos believe. Thereby sentencing anyone educated by or around crevos to further ignorance and making crevo areas even greater economic backwaters.”
WoW!

You're right!

People who believe in Creation and Evolution are a little crazy!

Thats why I'm a Creationist.
423 posted on 02/23/2009 10:09:58 PM PST by Fichori (B. Hussein Obama is nothing but a genocidal Kenyan baby killer ... albeit by proxy)
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To: Jeff Gordon; GodGunsGuts
“It continues to be debated because people who do not grock science continue to offer non-scientific arguments. ”
Evolutionists in particular.
424 posted on 02/23/2009 10:15:19 PM PST by Fichori (B. Hussein Obama is nothing but a genocidal Kenyan baby killer ... albeit by proxy)
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“You should stop having dirty thoughts there snoogums. ” [excerpt]
Oh boy.

Only fifty (count em), fifty (50) posts, and ketsu had to say snoogums...

pwned!

425 posted on 02/23/2009 10:23:37 PM PST by Fichori (B. Hussein Obama is nothing but a genocidal Kenyan baby killer ... albeit by proxy)
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To: Westbrook
“Hey, ketsu, I’ve seen you do this before.” [excerpt]
Its called getting pwned.
426 posted on 02/23/2009 10:26:16 PM PST by Fichori (B. Hussein Obama is nothing but a genocidal Kenyan baby killer ... albeit by proxy)
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To: Fichori
Evolutionists in particular.
Hahahaha... how many creationist articles get published in Nature(which only accepts the "best" scientific arguments)? How many evolutionary articles? I'll give you a hint, look in this month's issue.
427 posted on 02/23/2009 10:33:16 PM PST by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: ketsu
“Hahahaha... how many creationist articles get published in Nature(which only accepts the "best" scientific arguments)? How many evolutionary articles? I'll give you a hint, look in this month's issue.”
Well, I wouldn't expect that a publication which is devoted to promoting Darwinian Evolution would ever contain an article that did not agree with the underlying purpose of the publication.
428 posted on 02/23/2009 10:45:02 PM PST by Fichori (B. Hussein Obama is nothing but a genocidal Kenyan baby killer ... albeit by proxy)
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To: DoctorMichael; GodGunsGuts; metmom
Aww, lookit, a cute little troll from DC!

Ya know doc, I'm almost 135% sure that your IQ drops by around 75% when you post on FR. (Compared to TrollCentral)

I mean, over there, most of your posts look, well, ya know, almost intelligent.


Now, I'm only bein' honest here and I ain't tryin to be demeaning, but yer only half the amoeba that your great great great ancestor was.
429 posted on 02/23/2009 10:45:40 PM PST by Fichori (B. Hussein Obama is nothing but a genocidal Kenyan baby killer ... albeit by proxy)
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To: Fichori
Well, I wouldn't expect that a publication which is devoted to promoting Darwinian Evolution would ever contain an article that did not agree with the underlying purpose of the publication.
Uuuuum... do you even know what the journal Nature is?
430 posted on 02/23/2009 10:47:46 PM PST by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: DoctorMichael; metmom
“(See my ***Tagline***) ” [excerpt]
Uh, ok...

DoctorMichael (Creationists on the internet: The Ignorant, amplifying the Stupid.)
What the ...!

I didn't know you were a Creationist!

In hindsight, it makes sense though.
431 posted on 02/23/2009 10:50:27 PM PST by Fichori (B. Hussein Obama is nothing but a genocidal Kenyan baby killer ... albeit by proxy)
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To: Fichori
What the ...!

I didn't know you were a Creationist!

In hindsight, it makes sense though.

Huhuhuh. You made a funny.
432 posted on 02/23/2009 10:53:46 PM PST by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: ketsu
“Uuuuum... do you even know what the journal Nature is?”
Yeah, its the second rate backup paper source that sits under the the JC Penny and Sears & Roebuck catalogs in the outhouse.

433 posted on 02/23/2009 10:58:21 PM PST by Fichori (B. Hussein Obama is nothing but a genocidal Kenyan baby killer ... albeit by proxy)
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To: ColdWater; GodGunsGuts; metmom; Ethan Clive Osgoode
“Where do Evos disagree with physics?” [excerpt]
Well, I saw one Evo try to reduce F=ma to F=m

At least I think thats what he was saying. (Major fruitiness)

Oh, you remember Mr 2.1° don't you?
434 posted on 02/23/2009 11:07:03 PM PST by Fichori (B. Hussein Obama is nothing but a genocidal Kenyan baby killer ... albeit by proxy)
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To: Fichori
Yeah, its the second rate backup paper source that sits under the the JC Penny and Sears & Roebuck catalogs in the outhouse.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... choke, gurgle, splutter.

You win the award for dumbest crevo ever. DNA? Neutrons? Nuclear fission. I wonder where their discovery was published?

435 posted on 02/23/2009 11:09:29 PM PST by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: ketsu
“You win the award for dumbest crevo ever.” [excerpt]
Except I'm not a Crevo.

I'm a Creationist.

The term Crevo is an amalgamation of the words Creation and Evolution.

If I accepted both Creation and Evolution, then the term Crevo would be an accurate description.

However, I eschew His Reverend Apostacy Chucky Darwood's theology.
436 posted on 02/23/2009 11:20:46 PM PST by Fichori (B. Hussein Obama is nothing but a genocidal Kenyan baby killer ... albeit by proxy)
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To: Fichori
Except I'm not a Crevo.

I'm a Creationist.

The term Crevo is an amalgamation of the words Creation and Evolution.

If I accepted both Creation and Evolution, then the term Crevo would be an accurate description.

However, I eschew His Reverend Apostacy Chucky Darwood's theology.

Okay. You're the dumbest creationist ever. Is that better?
437 posted on 02/23/2009 11:24:01 PM PST by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: ketsu
“Okay. You're the dumbest creationist ever. Is that better?”
Well, I dunno about that.

As far as I know, my ability to speak is in no way limited or handicapped.
438 posted on 02/23/2009 11:29:12 PM PST by Fichori (B. Hussein Obama is nothing but a genocidal Kenyan baby killer ... albeit by proxy)
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To: Fichori
Well, I dunno about that.

As far as I know, my ability to speak is in no way limited or handicapped.

It's your ability to think that I'm worried about.
439 posted on 02/23/2009 11:36:24 PM PST by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: js1138; ToGodBeTheGlory; Ethan Clive Osgoode
“So why did Hitler order Darwin’s books burned?”
Card trick.
440 posted on 02/23/2009 11:36:50 PM PST by Fichori (B. Hussein Obama is nothing but a genocidal Kenyan baby killer ... albeit by proxy)
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To: ketsu
“It's your ability to think that I'm worried about.”
Worried?

I question your honesty.
441 posted on 02/23/2009 11:41:38 PM PST by Fichori (B. Hussein Obama is nothing but a genocidal Kenyan baby killer ... albeit by proxy)
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To: Fichori
Worried?

I question your honesty.

No snoogums, I'm not worried for you. I'm worried about your effect on the genetic viability of the human race. Ever see "idiocracy"?
442 posted on 02/23/2009 11:46:16 PM PST by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: metmom; whattajoke; js1138
“No argument from me there either.....”
Well, if they are a plant, then Yote should loose his laurel wreath.


443 posted on 02/23/2009 11:48:22 PM PST by Fichori (B. Hussein Obama is nothing but a genocidal Kenyan baby killer ... albeit by proxy)
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To: ketsu
“No snoogums,” [excerpt]
You are waaaa to easy to pwn!

“I'm not worried for you. I'm worried about your effect on the genetic viability of the human race.” [excerpt]
You mean Natural Selection and Survival Of The Fittest are not real?

“Ever see "idiocracy"?” [excerpt]
No, I don't waste my time with mindless entertainment.
444 posted on 02/23/2009 11:54:19 PM PST by Fichori (B. Hussein Obama is nothing but a genocidal Kenyan baby killer ... albeit by proxy)
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To: Fichori
You are waaaa to easy to pwn!

You mean Natural Selection and Survival Of The Fittest are not real?

No, I don't waste my time with mindless entertainment.

lol... you have *no* idea just how "pwned" you are do you? The Nature crack ruined any *possible* credibility you could *ever* have. Now it's just fun to mock you.
445 posted on 02/23/2009 11:58:04 PM PST by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: ketsu
“lol... you have *no* idea just how "pwned" you are do you?” [excerpt]
Well, I have yet felt the need to call you snoogums, so, not hardly at all.

“The Nature crack ruined any *possible* credibility you could *ever* have.” [excerpt]
As a Creationist, I have never had any credibility with Evofascists to begin with.

My joke about Nature received the exact response I was hoping for.

“Now it's just fun to mock you.” [excerpt]
I'm certainly having fun.
446 posted on 02/24/2009 12:19:04 AM PST by Fichori (B. Hussein Obama is nothing but a genocidal Kenyan baby killer ... albeit by proxy)
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To: ketsu

Are you a religious faggot?


447 posted on 02/24/2009 1:58:00 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: DallasMike
I do not believe that everything found in the animal population means that it is okay for humans.

Nature is pure war, with every man against another. Fear of death is the only way to keep peace; so man is civilized only by the restraint of violence against him for transgressions upon his neighbor.

The sex perverts, like the druggies, can only perpetuate an ever expanding market for their filth by molesting the minds and bodies of the young ones...

Like it or not, our civilization is built on the Laws of Moses... Our rights do not come from an earthly monarch.

I don't care for an ecclesiastical approach to government or education. I am perfectly contented to let people make up their own minds, which is something a lot of these ecclesiastic evolutionists cannot accept.

The argument of some higher purpose is religious fallacy and those who preach it are no different even if they CLAIM atheism. They just want to set themselves up in a temple for others to genuflect before an assumed divinity.

The notion that children need to be indoctrinated and badgered (as a few of the evolutionists are doing here) into thinking a certain way is the insecurity of adults, a universal dissatisfaction with mortality reaching out for an eternal ideal. Whether this is done by atheists or by the religious, it is exactly the same.

The earth did not come from itself, it came from somewhere else. And likewise, everything on the earth came from somewhere else as well.

If evolution is about change over a period of time, then time, as well as life, is by default considered to have an origin.

The singularity of all life as we know it is the DNA molecule. Like the singularity of the "big bang" theory, many of these would be evolutionists make an inadvertent admission life is an immaculate conception. (pun intended)

448 posted on 02/24/2009 2:31:59 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: ketsu; metmom
Science is inherently materialistic

Ah, you are back. You said "*everything* in science is false", with emphasis on "everything". According to you then, evolution is false, among other things.

449 posted on 02/24/2009 2:35:30 AM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Darwinism!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Are you a religious faggot?
For someone who pretends they're not gay, you're awfully obsessed with faggotry.
450 posted on 02/24/2009 3:21:08 AM PST by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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