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Recent Human Variation Is Not Evolution (evidence points to recent creation)
ICR ^ | February 23, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 02/23/2009 10:05:02 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

Recent Human Variation Is Not Evolution

by Brian Thomas, M.S.*

Discover magazine recently asked, “Are We Still Evolving?” The same-titled article noted that “for decades theories about human evolution had proliferated despite the absence of much, if any, hard evidence.”1 It then presented research showing that human DNA is definitely changing—but not as Darwinism predicted.

Despite the widespread belief that “we emerged from chimpanzees 6 million years ago,” geneticists observed that differences between people are caused by DNA blocks that are reshuffled in each generation in patterns that remain closely linked.2 This points to a relatively recent development for human variation. Indeed, “most of the change [happened] from 40,000 years ago to the present.”1

For example, John Hawks at the University of Wisconsin-Madison told Discover, “No one on earth had blue eyes 10,000 years ago.” Also, most differences in genes that code for neurotransmitters (small chemicals vital for brain activity) appear to have recently arrived, “with the majority emerging in just the past 10,000 years.”1 Why were there so few genetic changes for millions of years, followed by so many in recent times?

Hawks found through a computer simulation that “if humans had evolved at modern rates ever since we diverged from chimpanzees 6 million years ago,...the difference between the two species today would be 160 times greater than it actually is.”1 Thus, either mutations and shuffling (labeled “evolution”) were dormant for millions of years only to radically accelerate in the recent evolutionary past, or these processes have been occurring at roughly today’s rates since the Fall about 6,000 years ago.3

Other evidence from human genetic studies confirming humanity’s youthfulness comes from the very fact that there is only 0.5 per cent difference between any two people’s DNA. The DNA difference should be vast after long ages of mutations at known rates.4

To call these DNA changes “evolution” could be misleading, depending on which definition is applied. Do the changes observed lead upward to greater complexity, conferring new information-with-a-purpose? Neither the base changes (mutations) nor the shuffling of blocks of DNA have shown the ability to generate any new and useful genetic information, or build new biochemical machinery or organs, let alone whole organisms. What science does know about them is that they serve to corrupt or rearrange pre-existing information.

The “evolutionary” changes that have been accelerating, according to these researchers, are really just variations within human kind, unfolding from the original, information-rich first people. It’s plausible that the Creator “front-loaded” Adam and Eve’s genomes with full complements of a wide variety of both essential and non-essential genes, as well as genetic and epigenetic factors to facilitate rearrangement of those genes.5, 6 Thus, as humans have spread out and thrived in various environments across the globe since their dispersal at Babel, their traits have also spread out. As the Discover article noted, “There’s a lot more people on the planet than in recent times....We are getting less alike.”1

Chance-based DNA mutations and variation-by-design DNA shuffling have unfolded due to historical events that are recorded in Scripture. The first humans disobeyed God’s command to refrain from eating the fruit of a certain tree, and this brought decay and death. Their descendants filled the earth with violence, resulting in judgment and a new, less habitable post-Flood landscape. Humans then disobeyed God’s command to fill the earth, leading to the introduction of language families that drove people groups apart, making them “less alike” and diluting their once robust genome.

Shuffling and mutating DNA add no hard evidence to support any “theories of human evolution.” Rather, the largely “un-shuffled” DNA of modern humans clearly points to a humanity that has been around for thousands, rather than millions, of years.

References

1. McAuliffe, K. March 2009. Are We Still Evolving? Discover. 50-58.

2. Called “linkage disequilibrium,” this is the observation that human genes from around the world are still situated next to one another, even though they are cut and pasted (shuffled) each generation. This is strong evidence for a youthful mankind.

3. Thomas, B.Why Are Human Genes Still Linked? ICR News. Posted on icr.org August 6, 2008, accessed February 17, 2009.

4. Geneticists have no empirical data to anchor biological dates, so they must trust the paleontologists. Often, paleontologists derive their dates from examining the particular rock layers wherein human and ape remains have been discovered. Thus, their dates are often supplied by geologists. Perhaps geologists obtained them from radioisotope dating of some form. Thus, they trust the geochronologists, who in turn rely on dates from geologic column charts. Without this standardized reference, the geochronologist would have little basis for choosing which of the wide range of obtainable dates to accept, and which to reject. This circus of trust functions, not because there is empirical evidence for deep time, but because those in various disciplines universally conform their results to the standard dates, all of them being convinced a priori that deep time is true.

5. Borger, P. 2008. Evidence for the design of life: part 2—Baranomes. Journal of Creation. 22 (3): 68-76.

6. Gerhart, J. and M. Kirschner. 2007. The theory of facilitated variation. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. 104 (Suppl 1): 8582-8589.


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To: ColdWater
Doesn't ID also say that life first formed in pools of scum and that man evolved from these early life forms over billions of years?

Not that I am aware of.

I am a Creationist, if that is what you are driving at.

101 posted on 02/23/2009 11:47:24 AM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-13)
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To: rjsimmon
Evolution dictates the means by which man has emerged as random.

You have already admitted that you cannot tell the difference between God's punishment by natural disaster and random natural disastors so how can you define that evotion is random? Why do you know more about events before you life than events occuring during your life that you can observe?

102 posted on 02/23/2009 11:48:24 AM PST by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater
I will try again. Is Intelligent Design theory consistent with your viewpoints on man's creation?

I would have to read more on the ID movement. So, I cannot say what specifically we agree upon.

What is your point?

103 posted on 02/23/2009 11:48:57 AM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-13)
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To: rjsimmon
Not that I am aware of.

Well you are aware of it now. Given that you have been made aware, is ID consistent with your points of view?

104 posted on 02/23/2009 11:49:32 AM PST by ColdWater
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To: rjsimmon
I am a Creationist, if that is what you are driving at.

Then you, by definition, believe the ID theory to be false?

105 posted on 02/23/2009 11:51:06 AM PST by ColdWater
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To: docbnj

because it was not even discovered until long after his death.

Which makes criticism of Darwinism based on DNA rather silly.


106 posted on 02/23/2009 11:54:32 AM PST by Ender Wiggin
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To: ColdWater
You have already admitted that you cannot tell the difference between God's punishment by natural disaster and random natural disastors so how can you define that evotion is random? Why do you know more about events before you life than events occuring during your life that you can observe?

Are you trying to catch me in an inconsistency based upon some concept you have? You will find none as I use the Word of God as basis for theological discussions.

I am not using it as scientific proof, since that is not what the book was intended for.

Also, I have admitted to no such thing. You have implied this by by-passing b when going from a to z. I have said that humans cannot always tell the difference unless they repent and turn to God. I have done this. Now I see many things from His perspective. Do I see His hand in all natural disasters? No, of course not. I am not the intended target of His wrath. Does everyone in the path of a tornado die? No. Since I cannot see into the heart of a man, I cannot presuppose to know where he stands with God. However, the Word also says that God causes the rain to fall on the righteous and the unrighteous.

107 posted on 02/23/2009 11:55:40 AM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-13)
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To: ColdWater
Then you, by definition, believe the ID theory to be false?

Point out what it is in ID that you have stuck in your craw and we can discuss it. Otherwise, drop this line, it is pointless.

108 posted on 02/23/2009 11:56:39 AM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-13)
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To: rjsimmon

4) of transformations

What sort of transformations did the Hebrew word include?

How did the Hebrew word mean “shape”?

What “new conditions and circumstances” are included?

What sort of miracles? Are there limits on the size or frequency or type of miracles?

I’m not that familiar with Hebrew.


109 posted on 02/23/2009 11:57:13 AM PST by Ender Wiggin
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To: rjsimmon
Are you trying to catch me in an inconsistency based upon some concept you have?

Not trying. Did catch you. You said you could not tell which events were random or part of God's plan but you say that evolution is random thus not part of God's plan. Smoked.

110 posted on 02/23/2009 11:58:20 AM PST by ColdWater
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To: docbnj
My never-humble opinion: the creationist line on this is completely looney.

Not only that, but it turns people with brains away from God.

111 posted on 02/23/2009 11:58:56 AM PST by Moonman62 (I didn't compromise my soul to be popular. -- Jimmy Carter)
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To: rjsimmon
Point out what it is in ID that you have stuck in your craw and we can discuss it. Otherwise, drop this line, it is pointless.

I did point it out to you earlier in #97.

112 posted on 02/23/2009 11:59:56 AM PST by ColdWater
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To: Ender Wiggin
I’m not that familiar with Hebrew.

There are 278 uses of the word "create", specifically "bara". I would have to do more thorough research to get your answers. My apologies for not having them readily available.

113 posted on 02/23/2009 12:02:48 PM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-13)
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To: rjsimmon

http://sciencereligionnews.blogspot.com/2007/06/three-reviews-of-michael-behes-new-id.html


114 posted on 02/23/2009 12:02:50 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: GodGunsGuts
1. McAuliffe, K. March 2009. Are We Still Evolving? Discover. 50-58.

Wow. You don't see Discover magazine referenced in many scientific articles.

115 posted on 02/23/2009 12:03:35 PM PST by Moonman62 (I didn't compromise my soul to be popular. -- Jimmy Carter)
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To: ColdWater
I did point it out to you earlier in #97.

You asked if ID posits that man came from a pond of scum. I have no idea if ID says this. Point out from an ID site where this is professed, otherwise, it is a misconception on your part or something you heard second/third hand.

116 posted on 02/23/2009 12:05:14 PM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-13)
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To: ColdWater
Prov 16:33 The dice are cast into the lap, but every result is from the Lord.

Anybody who thinks that “random” in any way entails “out of God's control” or “not part of God's plan” isn't reading or comprehending what the Bible has to say on the subject, and placing a rather silly restriction on the power of omnipotence.

117 posted on 02/23/2009 12:07:17 PM PST by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: ColdWater

I have visited this site, though only briefly. Please give me the specific page that says ID posits that man was designed from pond scum?


118 posted on 02/23/2009 12:10:00 PM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-13)
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To: rjsimmon

http://www.pamd.uscourts.gov/kitzmiller/kitzmiller_342.pdf


119 posted on 02/23/2009 12:14:44 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater
So, you are going from a review of Dr. Behe to a court judgement?

Give me a page #, at the very least.

120 posted on 02/23/2009 12:21:49 PM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-13)
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To: rjsimmon

http://www.christianpost.com/Entertainment/Books/2007/06/behe-describes-the-edge-of-evolution-in-newest-id-book-22/index.html

“He does agree that the world is billions of years old and that all life did originate from a common ancestor, because “overwhelming anatomical, genetic, and fossil evidence exists for that claim.”


121 posted on 02/23/2009 12:27:06 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: rjsimmon

http://www.intelligentdesignnetwork.org/NCBQ3_3HarrisCalvert.pdf

Page 8 of 31 describing Behe’s work.


122 posted on 02/23/2009 12:32:13 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater

So, Dr. Behe believes the world is billions of years old and that dictates what the ID mantra has to be? While I agree with quite a bit of what Dr. Behe posits, this in no wise dictates that ID holds to the exact same thing. From what I have read, there are many threads within the ID community.

Further, this has little to nothing to do with what we were discussing.

Good side thread, though. Thank you for the information.


123 posted on 02/23/2009 12:37:00 PM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-13)
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To: rjsimmon
So, Dr. Behe believes the world is billions of years old and that dictates what the ID mantra has to be? While I agree with quite a bit of what Dr. Behe posits, this in no wise dictates that ID holds to the exact same thing. From what I have read, there are many threads within the ID community.

I gave you the ID site! So you know more about ID than they do? Additionally, Mr. Behe was the prime witness for the ID movement in the Dover trials! Mr. Behe is additionally the number one expert at the Discovery site which is also probably the number one promoter of ID.

124 posted on 02/23/2009 12:40:18 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: rjsimmon
Further, this has little to nothing to do with what we were discussing.

It has everything to do with what we were discussing. That of God as a designer which you brought up.

125 posted on 02/23/2009 12:41:07 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: atlaw
Which leads to one of the great mysteries of Intelligent Meteorology -- What does God have against mobile homes?

LOL!!!

126 posted on 02/23/2009 12:41:59 PM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: rjsimmon
From what I have read, there are many threads within the ID community.

Please show me one that holds differently. I won't hold my breath.

127 posted on 02/23/2009 12:42:27 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: rjsimmon

http://www.amazon.com/Intelligent-Design-101-Leading-Experts/dp/0825427819


128 posted on 02/23/2009 12:48:21 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: Moonman62
Not only that, but it turns people with brains away from God.

Wouldn't/Hasn't God made allowances for that?

129 posted on 02/23/2009 12:48:50 PM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: js1138

I ask how much science education people like you and GGG (Mr. Spam)have because I want to know how much “ammunition” you are armed with in this debate.

I have a PhD in molecular biology, now tell us your backgrounds.


130 posted on 02/23/2009 12:50:37 PM PST by Wacka
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To: GodGunsGuts
My pleasure. If you’re interested, check my history as I post [around 10 useless] new articles/papers opinion pieces on the creation, [strawman version of] evolution, ID debate pretty much on a daily basis. All the best [Unless your an "evoatheist", then I hate you] —GGG

/Fixed

131 posted on 02/23/2009 12:50:45 PM PST by whattajoke (.)
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To: ColdWater
I gave you the ID site! So you know more about ID than they do? Additionally, Mr. Behe was the prime witness for the ID movement in the Dover trials! Mr. Behe is additionally the number one expert at the Discovery site which is also probably the number one promoter of ID.

Okay. How is that any of my concern? Dr. Behe is far more educated than I and I have read a good deal of his beliefs in the "Case for a Creator" book. His belief that we came from some common ancestor is not necessarily the ID movements core tenet. The ID site says nothing about it that I can find.

132 posted on 02/23/2009 12:55:05 PM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-13)
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To: ColdWater
It has everything to do with what we were discussing. That of God as a designer which you brought up.

No, that is slight of hand on your part. You transited from my belief in God as designer to my having to now be in accord with the ID movement. Bad form.

133 posted on 02/23/2009 12:56:48 PM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-13)
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To: Wacka

I think you have missed the irony tag in some of my postings. I don’t have a PhD in anything, but I don’t have a fight with those who do. I find it amusing that so many people on FR think they are qualified to judge all of science.

Even folks like Michael Behe don’t try that.


134 posted on 02/23/2009 12:57:30 PM PST by js1138
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To: rjsimmon

Still waiting, but NOT holding my breath for you link.


135 posted on 02/23/2009 1:03:11 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: rjsimmon

Still waiting, but NOT holding my breath for you link.


136 posted on 02/23/2009 1:03:17 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: rjsimmon

You ask for me to provide a link to back up my position and I give you several. I ask you to return the favor and I get “No replies”. Thanks.


137 posted on 02/23/2009 1:44:52 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater
Still waiting, but NOT holding my breath for you link

My apologies for being tardy to respond, but when the Marine Corps says 'go run', I go run.

what link? What is it you want?

138 posted on 02/23/2009 1:56:20 PM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-13)
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To: ColdWater
You ask for me to provide a link to back up my position and I give you several. I ask you to return the favor and I get “No replies”. Thanks.

Why are you getting snippy? You have not asked a question that I can provide a link to, that I can recall.

139 posted on 02/23/2009 1:59:00 PM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-13)
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To: rjsimmon
Why are you getting snippy? You have not asked a question that I can provide a link to, that I can recall.

Do you have such a short memory or is it only selective recall. You said that there were many ID sites that did not support evolution. I asked you to provide a link.

140 posted on 02/23/2009 2:03:28 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater
I believe I have found your inquiry:

Please show me one that holds differently. I won't hold my breath.

Try these:

http://www.intelligentdesignnetwork.org/

http://www.conservapedia.com/Intelligent_design

http://www.answers.com/topic/intelligent-design

Remember, I am not an ID adherant. The readings I mentioned are diverse and either in print or articles from various news sources. Do not expect me to archive every tenet of every belief system out there.

141 posted on 02/23/2009 2:05:41 PM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-13)
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To: ColdWater
Do you have such a short memory or is it only selective recall. You said that there were many ID sites that did not support evolution. I asked you to provide a link.

Do you always argue this way? I never once said that there were many ID sites that did not support evolution. Find one post where I said this. When you cannot, apologize.

142 posted on 02/23/2009 2:07:34 PM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-13)
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To: rjsimmon

http://www.intelligentdesignnetwork.org/

“If evolution is defined as “change over time,” then clearly one can believe in God and evolution because God could have directed the change.”


143 posted on 02/23/2009 2:21:44 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: rjsimmon

http://www.answers.com/topic/intelligent-design

Nowhere does this say man was ‘created’ not evolved/designed.

“The assertion or belief that physical and biological systems observed in the universe result from purposeful design by an intelligent being rather than from chance or undirected natural processes.”


144 posted on 02/23/2009 2:29:37 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: rjsimmon
Do you always argue this way? I never once said that there were many ID sites that did not support evolution. Find one post where I said this. When you cannot, apologize.

OK. Please cite what you have read!

"From what I have read, there are many threads within the ID community."

145 posted on 02/23/2009 2:31:20 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: rjsimmon
Remember, I am not an ID adherant. The readings I mentioned are diverse and either in print or articles from various news sources. Do not expect me to archive every tenet of every belief system out there.

Not at all. I am just asking you to back you one tenet. That ID does not support that man evolved over millions of years.

146 posted on 02/23/2009 2:32:48 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater; metmom
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Doesn't say how he created the heaven and earth.

Doesn't say He did via anything like evolution.

147 posted on 02/23/2009 3:13:17 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther

Doesn’t say anything about radiation but I hope you believe in radiation.


148 posted on 02/23/2009 3:15:44 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: tpanther

Doesn’t say he didn’t.


149 posted on 02/23/2009 7:31:13 PM PST by Wacka
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To: GodGunsGuts

Great news!

By the way, please add me to your ping list, thanks!


150 posted on 02/23/2009 8:09:28 PM PST by Charles Rayney (http://charlesrayney.blogspot.com)
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