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Fox News "war games" the coming civil war [Glenn Beck Show] (Hurl-o-rama)
Salon ^ | February 22, 2009 | Glenn Greenwald

Posted on 02/23/2009 2:33:53 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Bill Clinton's election in 1992 gave rise to the American "militia movement": hordes of overwhelmingly white, middle-aged men from suburban and rural areas who convinced themselves they were defending the American way of life from the "liberals" and "leftists" running the country by dressing up in military costumes on weekends, wobbling around together with guns, and play-acting the role of patriot-warriors. Those theater groups -- the cultural precursor to George Bush's prancing 2003 performance dressed in a fighter pilot outfit on Mission Accomplished Day -- spawned the decade of the so-called "Angry White Male," the movement behind the 1994 takeover of the U.S. Congress by Newt Gingrich and his band of federal-government-cursing, pseudo-revolutionary, play-acting tough guys.

What was most remarkable about this allegedly "anti-government" movement was that -- with some isolated and principled exceptions -- it completely vanished upon the election of Republican George Bush, and it stayed invisible even as Bush presided over the most extreme and invasive expansion of federal government power in memory. Even as Bush seized and used all of the powers which that movement claimed in the 1990s to find so tyrannical and unconstitutional -- limitless, unchecked surveillance activities, detention powers with no oversight, expanding federal police powers, secret prison camps, even massively exploding and debt-financed domestic spending -- they meekly submitted to all of it, even enthusiastically cheered it all on.

They're the same people who embraced and justified full-scale, impenetrable federal government secrecy and comprehensive domestic spying databases conducted in the dark and against the law when perpetrated by a Republican President -- but have spent the last week flamboyantly pretending to be scandalized and outraged by the snooping which Bill Moyers did 45 years ago (literally) as part of a Democratic administration. They're the people who relentlessly opposed and impugned Clinton's military deployments and then turned around and insisted that only those who are anti-American would question or oppose Bush's decision to start wars.

They're the same people who believed that Bill Clinton's use of the FISA court to obtain warrants to eavesdrop on Americans was a grave threat to liberty, but believed that George Bush's warrantless eavesdropping on Americans in violation of the law was a profound defense of freedom. In sum, they dressed up in warrior clothing to fight against Bill Clinton's supposed tyranny, and then underwent a major costume change on January 20, 2001, thereafter dressing up in cheerleader costumes to glorify George Bush's far more extreme acquisitions of federal power.

In doing so, they revealed themselves as motivated by no ideological principles or political values of any kind. It was a purely tribalistic movement motivated by fear of losing its cultural and demographic supremacy. In that sense -- the only sense that mattered -- George Bush was one of them, even though, with his actions, he did everything they long claimed to fear and despise. Nonetheless, his mere occupancy of the White House was sufficient to pacify them and convert them almost overnight from limited-government militants into foot soldiers supporting the endless expansion of federal government power.

But now, only four weeks into the presidency of Barack Obama, they are back -- angrier and more chest-beating than ever. Actually, the mere threat of an Obama presidency was enough to revitalize them from their eight-year slumber, awaken them from their camouflaged, well-armed suburban caves. The disturbingly ugly atmosphere that marked virtually every Sarah Palin rally had its roots in this cultural resentment, which is why her fear-mongering cultural warnings about Obama's exotic, threatening otherness -- he's a Muslim-loving, Terrorist-embracing, Rev.-Wright-following Marxist: who is the real Barack Obama? -- resonated so stingingly with the rabid lynch mobs that cheered her on.

With Obama now actually in the Oval Office -- and a financial crisis in full force that is generating the exact type of widespread, intense anxiety that typically inflames these cultural resentments -- their mask is dropping, has dropped, and they've suddenly re-discovered their righteous "principles." The week-long CNBC Revolt of the Traders led by McCain voter Rick Santelli and the fledgling little Tea Party movement promoted by the Michelle Malkins of the world are obvious outgrowths of this 1990s mentality, now fortified by the most powerful fuel: deep economic fear. But as feisty and fire-breathing as those outbursts are, nothing can match -- for pure, illustrative derangement -- the discussion below from Glenn Beck's new Fox show this week, in which he and an array of ex-military and CIA guests ponder (and plot and plan) "war games" for the coming Civil War against Obama-led tyranny. It really has to be seen to be believed.

Before presenting that to you, a few caveats are in order: There is nothing inherently wrong or illegitimate with citizens expressing extreme anger towards the Government and the ruling political class. There isn't even anything wrong or illegitimate with citizens organizing themselves into a movement that -- whether by design or effect -- is threatening to entrenched elites. If anything, we've had too little of that. In fact, it's only a complete lack of fear of a meek, passive and impotent citizenry on the part of political and financial rulers -- a certainty that there will be no consequences no matter what they do -- that could have given rise to the endless corruption, deceit, lawbreaking, destruction, and outright thievery of the last eight years. A political and financial elite that perceives itself as invulnerable from threat or consequence will inevitably vest itself with more power and more riches. That's what we've had and, largely, still have.

But this Rush-Limbaugh/Fox-News/nationalistic movement isn't driven by anything noble or principled or even really anything political. If it were, they would have been extra angry and threatening and rebellious during the Bush years instead of complicit and meek and supportive to the point of cult-like adoration. Instead, they're just basically Republican dead-enders (at least what remains of the regional/extremist GOP), grounded in tribal allegiances that are fueled by their cultural, ethnic and religious identities and by perceived threats to past prerogatives -- now spiced with legitimate economic anxiety and an African-American President who, they were continuously warned for the last two years, is a Marxist, Terrorist-sympathizing black nationalist radical who wants to re-distribute their hard-earned money to welfare queens and illegal immigrants (and is now doing exactly that).

That's the context for this Glenn Beck "War Games" show on Fox News this week -- one promoted, with some mild and obligatory caveats, by Michelle Malkin's Hot Air. In the segment below, he convened a panel that includes former CIA officer Michael Scheuer and Ret. U.S. Army Sgt. Major Tim Strong. They discuss a coming "civil war" led by American "Bubba" militias -- Beck says he "believes we're on this road" -- and they contemplate whether the U.S. military would follow the President's orders to subdue civil unrest or would instead join with "the people" in defense of their Constitutional rights against the Government (they agree that the U.S. military would be with "the people"):

They don't seem very interested in bipartisanship and in transcending ideological divisions.

Immediately prior to that segment, Fox viewers were warned (as usual) that the unruly, uncivilized, violent Muslims are coming, and only Benjamin Netanyahu will be able to subdue them with a massive attack:

In one sense, all of this drooling rage is nothing more than the familiar face of extreme right-wing paranoia, as Richard Hofstadter famously described 45 years ago:

The paranoid spokesman sees the fate of conspiracy in apocalyptic terms—he traffics in the birth and death of whole worlds, whole political orders, whole systems of human values. He is always manning the barricades of civilization. He constantly lives at a turning point. Like religious millenialists he expresses the anxiety of those who are living through the last days and he is sometimes disposed to set a date fort the apocalypse. (“Time is running out,” said Welch in 1951. “Evidence is piling up on many sides and from many sources that October 1952 is the fatal month when Stalin will attack.”)

But it's now inflamed by declining imperial power, genuine economic crises, an exotic Other occupying the White House, and potent technology harnessed by right-wing corporations such as Fox News to broadcast and disseminate it widely and continuously. At the very least, it's worth taking note of. And I wonder what would happen if MSNBC broadcast a similar discussion of leftists plotting and planning the imminent, violent Socialist Revolution against the U.S. Government.

UPDATE: Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs and "Pajamas Media":

Glenn Beck: The End is Nigh . . . .

Is it irresponsible for Fox News to be airing this over the top, creepy alarmist stuff during a financial crisis? Well, yeah, I think so.

If someone like that -- like this -- thinks that Fox News is being irresponsibly, even dangerously, inflammatory, then that's a pretty compelling sign of how far over the line they actually are.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: agenda; banglist; bho2009; bho44; billclinton; cw2; cwii; democratcongress; democrats; foxnews; glennbeck; obama; television; wargames
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
Has Fox been airing a lot of Obama’s speeches about the economy lately.


LOL.
51 posted on 02/23/2009 3:57:06 PM PST by WaterBoard (Somewhere a Village is Missing it's Socialist.)
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To: randomhero97
I hate when the sh**stabbers use the term "partner"

Lol. Actually, 'partner' is becoming a more PC ('gender neutral') term for spouse. I have read in more than a few places where the husband and wife refer to each other as 'my partner' instead of 'my husband' or 'my wife'.

Have you heard the "we are pregnant" phrase ?

52 posted on 02/23/2009 4:02:02 PM PST by libh8er
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To: libh8er
Have you heard the "we are pregnant" phrase ?

Yes, and it annoys me to no end. Putting on my tinfoil hat I believe the American male has and is being feminized for a reason.
53 posted on 02/23/2009 4:05:48 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I guess it was okay when Nightline used to do this stuff, but when FNC does it it's "extreme right-wing paranoia."

-PJ

54 posted on 02/23/2009 4:13:07 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (You can never overestimate the Democrats' ability to overplay their hand.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
All we have to do is wait and see what happens. This stuff just has to be chilling to the left. Their fear is starting to show.
55 posted on 02/23/2009 4:19:57 PM PST by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the hell out of the way!)
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To: libh8er

Is EVERYBODY at Salon.com gay?


56 posted on 02/23/2009 4:22:38 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: Liberty Valance
Is EVERYBODY at Salon.com gay?

No the night janitor is straight.

57 posted on 02/23/2009 4:33:31 PM PST by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: libh8er; All

Glenn is a nice guy, when he meets new “friends” at a bar he always offers to push in their stool for them.


58 posted on 02/23/2009 4:38:50 PM PST by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: libh8er

Well, I imagine I know who wears the penis in that relationship...


59 posted on 02/23/2009 4:47:47 PM PST by ronnyquest ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: central_va
Glenn is a nice guy, when he meets new “friends” at a bar he always offers to push in their stool for them.

Now you are making the assumption that he, is the stoolpusher.

60 posted on 02/23/2009 4:59:20 PM PST by libh8er
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Who the heck reads “Salon”? They are a Clinton/DNC/Progressive Caucus front group like ACORN or moveon.org. They are an unabashed propaganda arm for socialist liberalism. It’s a free country but I’ll never understand posting this communist tripe here. What is the point?


61 posted on 02/23/2009 5:24:48 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Depression Countdown: 85... 84... 83...)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

but I’ll never understand posting this communist tripe here. What is the point? ................................ To get your vitriol to the boiling point?


62 posted on 02/23/2009 5:49:45 PM PST by Bringbackthedraft (Liberals fear the return of The Cleaver Family.)
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To: Alcibiades

I waited Beck’s show and I was amused that he seemed more freaked than the people he asked on to explain the possibilities.


63 posted on 02/23/2009 5:58:58 PM PST by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free....)
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To: engrpat

Pretty close to what the Mayans say the end is:
12-21-12

Wow, Ijust got me a tingling feeling up my leg but it is not the same one Chris Matthews felt.


64 posted on 02/23/2009 6:06:55 PM PST by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free....)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
"It’s a free country but I’ll never understand posting this communist tripe here. What is the point?"

To make fun of them, of course.

65 posted on 02/23/2009 6:14:40 PM PST by ronnyquest ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Geesh, the nihilistic bitterness dripping from the first paragraph has already exceeded my personal whining tolerance.

I guess I will just have to live without whatever brilliant insights the author may have hidden in this pile of literary sewage.

66 posted on 02/23/2009 6:16:43 PM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

These are the same people that thought George Washington, Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson were wrong to go against the crown over 200 years ago.

You know the sycophants of our society.


67 posted on 02/23/2009 6:24:32 PM PST by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
So we should be an echo chamber with threads from National Review, Rush, Fox News, the Weekly Standard and a few other sources? Just sitting here, nodding our heads up and down and typing "BTTT" all day long? Won't learn much about our enemies, foreign and domestic, that way....
68 posted on 02/23/2009 6:33:24 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("To insist on strength is not war-mongering. It is peace-mongering." Barry Goldwater)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Someone needs to sit this distraught little lady down and offer her a valium. Either that or slap the piss out of her, she's hysterical.

Yeah, I know, but a Y chromosome never stopped anyone from being a panty wearing little b*tch...

69 posted on 02/23/2009 6:43:18 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg
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To: SoDak

“And, I might add, LGF has fallen off my bookmark list, Charles can bite me. I can’t believe I tried so long to get an account there, then getting one only to have the site fall into a hole.”

I dumped LGF two years ago.


70 posted on 02/23/2009 6:59:22 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: central_va

LOL


71 posted on 02/23/2009 10:03:39 PM PST by deannadurbin
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

...dry heaves...

Man I hate those...

But Salon magazine being the quintesential authority of militias and anything Constitutionally patriotic /sarc...uhhhhh, ghllghlglglhlghlgghghhlglg...urp...

HURL!!!!

Ahhhh, now I feel better...or worse...yep, worse...

Good snag there 2DV...I can always count on you to catch these great snipets of what the other side thinks...We all need to stay on top of these things...


72 posted on 02/24/2009 2:02:55 AM PST by stevie_d_64
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To: Jim 0216

I thought he increased the infanticide on a Thursday (Jan. 22). What timing.


73 posted on 02/24/2009 2:11:59 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Barack Obama: in your guts, you know he's nuts!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oh please! They’re underground, stocked and waiting. LOL! And there’s nothing “they” can do about it.

Boo!


74 posted on 02/24/2009 7:59:47 PM PST by stimpy17 (Home of the free because of the Brave.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The government wargames, why not Glenn Beck?


75 posted on 02/24/2009 8:05:12 PM PST by Globalist Goon ("Head down over a saddle.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

These idiots Feds have done nothing but create this—they’ve way over stepped their bounds—for too long. What else explains why states’ legislatures have passed resolutions of sovereignty and firearms sales have skyrocketed. Something’s definitely up. And if these dingbats in DC don’t get off the 2nd amendment, they’re going to light this fuse. Are they this stupid not to know what the feeling in the country is?? Or do they want this candle lit?


76 posted on 02/25/2009 1:41:23 PM PST by WKUHilltopper
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Barak Obama - star graduate of the “Hugo Chavez School of Speechifying”...


77 posted on 02/25/2009 2:03:42 PM PST by Strzelec (I AM SANTELLICUS!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Guys, 0bambi is trying to provoke a reaction. This is part of the play book. He needs an excuse to start active repression.
78 posted on 02/26/2009 2:55:06 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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