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Darwin reader: Darwin’s racism
UD ^ | February 14, 2009 | Denyse O'Leary

Posted on 02/24/2009 7:04:56 PM PST by GodGunsGuts

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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


51 posted on 02/24/2009 9:22:45 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: muawiyah

The Gibeonites were slave not the holders of any monopoly.

“Now therefore ye [are] cursed, and there shall none of you be freed from being bondmen, and hewers of wood and drawers of water for the house of my God.” (Jos. 9:23)

This was punishment for their deception.

And their water drawing and wood cutting was not just for the temple as vs. 27 says,

“And Joshua made them that day hewers of wood and drawers of water for the congregation, and for the altar of the LORD, even unto this day, in the place which he should choose.”

So it was either do the work or get the chop.


52 posted on 02/24/2009 10:23:54 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: yankeedame

Actually, Blacks themselves didn’t make for good slaves, but rather, Western Africans made for great slaves. Western Africans tend to be stockier, larger, and stronger than Eastern Africans, much like how Germans tend to be larger than Frenchman but are both still white. Case in point, Barry’s daddy’s VERY slim and slight, but Hakeem Olajuwon is huge.


53 posted on 02/24/2009 10:38:58 PM PST by TypeZoNegative (Pro life & Vegan because I respect all life, Republican because our enemies don't respect ours.)
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To: AndyTheBear

Yes, now do you see the misguided outcry from Al Sharpton about the infamous chimp picture?

And if there’s any such thing as a missing link, it would be 537 statespeople that are in Washington, DC.


54 posted on 02/24/2009 10:41:43 PM PST by TypeZoNegative (Pro life & Vegan because I respect all life, Republican because our enemies don't respect ours.)
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To: TypeZoNegative
“Case in point, Barry’s daddy’s VERY slim and slight,” [excerpt]
He is? (WoWzers!)

And all this time I thought that Zero just oozed up out of some communist Kenyan mud puddle! (Oops, my bad)

I guess I learn something new every day...
55 posted on 02/24/2009 11:14:00 PM PST by Fichori (If YOU Evolved, YOUR Unalienable Rights to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness are VOID)
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To: All
Did the Catholic church or any Protestant sects speak out against New World slavery during the 16th or 17th centuries?
56 posted on 02/24/2009 11:27:35 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Gordon Greene; GodGunsGuts

Glad to see others are getting it. The way the question is often phrased is ‘should religion be put on an equal footing with evolution in public schools?’ and my reply is, only if the religion you choose is the RIGHT one; i.e. to have an apples to apples comparison you’d a religion which operated on an intellectual basis similar to that of evoloserism and the only candidates would be Rastafari, Santeria, and Voodoo.


57 posted on 02/25/2009 12:06:55 AM PST by wendy1946
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To: Ken H

Christians basically put a stop to moderrn slavery by having the British navy shut down the West African slave markets in the early 1800s. Except in slammite countries that is; that’s a sort of another world. In other words, you can read about slavery in the Christian world easily enough but youhave to open a history book to do it. You can read about slavery in the slammite world by opening any slammite newspaper to the classified ads under ‘S’ and, for that matter, under ‘w’ as well since women are basically slaves in the slammite world.


58 posted on 02/25/2009 12:39:20 AM PST by wendy1946
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To: wendy1946
Christians basically put a stop to moderrn slavery by having the British navy shut down the West African slave markets in the early 1800s.

Didn't the British navy also protect the slave trade for 200 years prior to that?

59 posted on 02/25/2009 3:34:09 AM PST by Ken H
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To: GodGunsGuts

The Evo-atheists can’t stand the FACT that their big hero was a nobody who was an academic failure. He was a pathetic dabbler in a sea of professionals. He was simply out of his league. He was pontificating on botany and geology and natural history, but was studying theology, which he couldn’t even get right. The man with no scientific training whatsoever is the “scientist” we are supposed to worship? Sounds more like L Ron Hubbard than Isaac Newton. lol


60 posted on 02/25/2009 4:11:02 AM PST by ToGodBeTheGlory ("Darwinism" is Satanism.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

“You are mistaken. Very few people have the burning hatred and sheer force of will to become a Hitler. But I would argue that the Temple of Darwinistic Materialism paves the way for a Hitler, a Stalin, a Mao, a Chavez, an Ayers, an Obama, etc, etc.”

Ok, I’m glad you clarified that. People who believe in the science of evolution are not only Hitler, they are also materialists, Stalin, Mao, Chavez, Ayers, Obama.

It helps me to have this point clarified, otherwise I’d have thought you were simply being ridiculous.


61 posted on 02/25/2009 4:50:51 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: AndyTheBear

“I think the take away is that Darwin is not someone to be idolized.”

You are gifted in undertstatement! You may wish to temper the message, but it was quite clear - study/belief in evolution means you are Hitler. Study of science means the preaching the merits hatred and genocide.

This is why the fundamentalist agenda will never achieve political power outside of places like Afghanistan. Most fundmentalists/creationists are not as reasoned as you (though you fall short on calling out your fellow creation believers on their over-the-top rhetoric on this thread, so you seem, if I may be direct, a tad disingenuous)

Science is not faith, it never was, but that is the argument fundamentalists/creationists must have in order to create a “holy war” mentality amongst themselves.

Fundamentalists/creationists have to define a broad category of science as “Darwinism”. They have to elevate Darwin to false-idol status when science does no such thing.

The fundamentalists/creationists have to fight the non-existent philosophical fight with the dissembling that is evident by the most profligate creationist posters on this and the many other threads, and that is that ALL believers in science are Hilterian Stalinists that do not value life, except for the scientific artifacts it provides - and that they are all atheist and materialists.

It’s the Big Lie of creationism that must be preached at the exclusion of everything else. Within this framework a fundamentalist scientist cannot exists. A Christian Engineer is a contradiction.

So, thank you for attempting to portray an all-too-rare reasoned creationist view that admits that science isn’t evil. I think that was your point.

I apologize if I am too tough on you in this post, but the Big Creationist Lie, BCL, if you will, is alive and well on this and the many threads on the subject. It is shockingly Talibanesque.


62 posted on 02/25/2009 5:11:39 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer

“Most fundmentalists/creationists are not as reasoned as you”

should be “Most fundmentalists/creationists ON THIS BOARD are not as reasoned as you”

Most fundamentalists I know, aren’t subscribers to the BCL.


63 posted on 02/25/2009 5:16:18 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: ToGodBeTheGlory

I read your tagline “Darwinism is Satanism”. Let me add “Satanism” into the definition of the “Big Creationist Lie”, or BCL for short.

“The Evo-atheists can’t stand the FACT that their big hero was a nobody who was an academic failure. He was a pathetic dabbler in a sea of professionals.”

Really? For him to raise such angst amongst you purveyors of the BCL, hundreds of years later he must have had SOMETHING going for him.


64 posted on 02/25/2009 5:21:58 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: ToGodBeTheGlory

Well stated.

Thanks.


65 posted on 02/25/2009 5:23:53 AM PST by Cedric
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To: RFEngineer
For someone who obviously fancies himself a master logician, your assertions are, I dare say, moronesque.
66 posted on 02/25/2009 5:28:24 AM PST by Cedric
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To: RFEngineer

All God fearing people pay attention to the follows of Satan. The only thing that Darwin has going for him now is eternal fire. :)


67 posted on 02/25/2009 5:40:09 AM PST by ToGodBeTheGlory ("Darwinism" is Satanism.)
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To: Cedric

“For someone who obviously fancies himself a master logician, your assertions are, I dare say, moronesque.”

LOL.....I will let others judge me on this - but I will note that there is no shortage of morons on these BCL threads, present company surely not excluded.


68 posted on 02/25/2009 5:40:16 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: ToGodBeTheGlory

“All God fearing people pay attention to the follows of Satan. The only thing that Darwin has going for him now is eternal fire. :)”

Well, you have distilled the Big Creationist Lie, BCL, down to it’s basic element. My hat is off to you!


69 posted on 02/25/2009 5:41:43 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: ToGodBeTheGlory

That should read “followers”


70 posted on 02/25/2009 5:42:38 AM PST by ToGodBeTheGlory ("Darwinism" is Satanism.)
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To: RFEngineer
Ok, I’m glad you clarified that. People who believe in the science of evolution are not only Hitler, they are also materialists, Stalin, Mao, Chavez, Ayers, Obama.

It helps me to have this point clarified, otherwise I’d have thought you were simply being ridiculous.


You obviously didn’t get the complete memo on the subject. :),

If you believe in the science of evolution or even if you are a Creationist but reject the idea of a 6,000 year old Earth, that the Earth is not the center of the Universe, that the Grand Canyon is not geological evidence of the Noah’s Flood, if you don’t believe that dinosaurs lived along side man, in the Garden of Eden and on Noah’s Ark, then you are not only Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Chavez, Ayers, Obama, then you are also a God Hater, a Satanist, an Atheist, a closet homo, a liberal, an NEA member, anti-American, anti-Christian, a fallen and or false Christian (or an idol worshipping Catholic) or an abortionist (and yes, I’ve been called all those names but being called an abortionist really took the cake.)

You see, in other words if you don’t subscribe to their religious beliefs, then you can’t possibly be a Conservative because some people around here have self defined Conservatism as being solely defined by the people who hold to a certain literalist interpretation of Genesis and the OT.

When they run out of rational arguments, all they have left is name calling.
71 posted on 02/25/2009 5:42:52 AM PST by Caramelgal (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: muawiyah

Sounds like you’re reading into the Bible what you think it ought to say, which happens all the time.


72 posted on 02/25/2009 5:47:14 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: RFEngineer

Gee, ya, you must be pretty much the smartest guy in the world and stuff, ‘cause you even like made up your own capitalized abbreviation and everything.


73 posted on 02/25/2009 5:54:19 AM PST by Cedric
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To: RFEngineer
Study of science means the preaching the merits hatred and genocide.

Evoloserism is not science and Chuck Darwin was not a scientist. Evolution is a brain-dead ideological doctrine which has brought about two world wars and two political doctrines which are responsible for tens of millions of unnecessary human deaths. The doctrine itself is so far from rational thought and has been disproven so many times and so many ways that nobody with brains or talent is defending it any longer; it's being defended by academic dead wood and losers.

74 posted on 02/25/2009 6:15:16 AM PST by wendy1946
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To: Cedric

“Gee, ya, you must be pretty much the smartest guy in the world and stuff, ‘cause you even like made up your own capitalized abbreviation and everything.”

Does it bother you?


75 posted on 02/25/2009 6:22:38 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: wendy1946

“The doctrine itself is so far from rational thought and has been disproven so many times and so many ways that nobody with brains or talent is defending it any longer; it’s being defended by academic dead wood and losers.”

I will simply take your own credentials as impeccable for this argument.

This is another facet of the BCL - science is wrong and immutable.

“it’s being defended by academic dead wood and losers.”

If that is the case - when it comes to science and the scientific process, with apologies to Beck: “Soy un perdedor”


76 posted on 02/25/2009 6:26:30 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer

No, laughter is good for the soul.


77 posted on 02/25/2009 6:37:15 AM PST by Cedric
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To: RFEngineer

With apologies to Richie, “Yo no soy marinero.”


78 posted on 02/25/2009 6:42:53 AM PST by Cedric
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To: RFEngineer

You might want to watch Ben Stein’s movie. The interview with Dawkins definitively settles the question of whether there could be such a thing as an idiot with a 180 IQ.


79 posted on 02/25/2009 7:19:13 AM PST by varmintman
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To: garjog
‘The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life’

Is that what they're teaching you in church these days? It would help if whomever fed you that line actually read more than the title of the book and creationist websites.

Darwin's use of the word "races" was the common lingo of the time to describe different species. In fact, in the book you have never read, he discusses "races" of trees, birds, and barnacles.
80 posted on 02/25/2009 7:22:27 AM PST by whattajoke (.)
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To: Cedric

“No, laughter is good for the soul.”

Forgive me then, I thought you were bitter an humorless, like most who buy into the BCL.


81 posted on 02/25/2009 7:23:11 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: GodGunsGuts
His book Origins didn’t contain any data.

Really. If I were to pretend this is true, what say you about all of his other books?

It was just a long argument based on practically nothing, except a few minor variations between finches.

Which have thusly been verified and confirmed in the 150 years since. Rather amazing, actually.

He didn’t even discover natural selection. That was discovered some 25 years ealier by a creationist.

Pssst. He was a creationist before examining the evidence. Which maybe someday you and your ilk will do as well. And btw, you (and others) like to pretend Darwin's impact is diminished by mentioning that his idea wasn't original. This is hardly a secret as he work word Wallace before publishing. In fact, Wallace gave Darwin his "blessing" to publish "Origin."

Furthermore, by bringing this up every 10 or so threads of yours, aren't you shining a bright light on the fact that the idea of Natural Selection as a means of evolution was A) independently arrived at by others and B) would have been published on at some point by someone else anyway? Where's your irrational hatred for Wallace?
82 posted on 02/25/2009 7:27:57 AM PST by whattajoke (.)
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To: conservative cat

Then why were Darwin’s books banned in Nazi Germany?

If Hitler was a “fan” and all....

Well? Why were Darwin’s books banned in Nazi Germany?


83 posted on 02/25/2009 7:30:14 AM PST by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: wendy1946
The way the question is often phrased is ‘should religion be put on an equal footing with evolution in public schools?’ and my reply is, only if the religion you choose is the RIGHT one; i.e. to have an apples to apples comparison you’d a religion which operated on an intellectual basis similar to that of evoloserism and the only candidates would be Rastafari, Santeria, and Voodoo.

LOL. I'd be interested in your data backing up the claim that YOUR religion (not just your Christianity, but your particular brand of Christianity) is the only one "operating on an intellectual basis."

Heck, that wouldn't even fly here on FR, an overwhelmingly Christian site! Just try to post it in the religion forum and stand back from the Catholics, Mormons, and other types of Christians that you don't really believe are "true Christians."

Stand back and listen to the bagpipes. Then imagine the firestorm that you're idea would incur at the state and federal level. Gimme a break.
84 posted on 02/25/2009 7:32:08 AM PST by whattajoke (.)
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To: ToGodBeTheGlory
The man with no scientific training whatsoever is the “scientist” we are supposed to worship?

No. No one has asked you (or anyone) to "worship" a dead naturalist. Ever.

Sounds more like L Ron Hubbard than Isaac Newton. lol

The difference being that Hubbard's ideas can easily be shown to be pure hogwash and Newton's were empirically incorrect. Darwin's ideas have only gotten stronger over time.
85 posted on 02/25/2009 7:34:21 AM PST by whattajoke (.)
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To: wendy1946
Evolution is a brain-dead ideological doctrine which has brought about two world wars

Wow. Please explain further.
86 posted on 02/25/2009 7:36:27 AM PST by whattajoke (.)
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To: varmintman
You might want to watch Ben Stein’s movie. The interview with Dawkins definitively settles the question of whether there could be such a thing as an idiot with a 180 IQ.

Agreed. I used to think somewhat highly of Stein.
87 posted on 02/25/2009 7:37:20 AM PST by whattajoke (.)
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To: Cedric

” With apologies to Richie, “Yo no soy marinero.” “

See, you DO have a sense of humor.


88 posted on 02/25/2009 7:42:51 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: varmintman

“You might want to watch Ben Stein’s movie. The interview with Dawkins definitively settles the question of whether there could be such a thing as an idiot with a 180 IQ.”

Are you accusing me of having a 180 IQ, or being an idiot?

I’m confused......


89 posted on 02/25/2009 7:44:27 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: whattajoke

Look, Darwin’s book was all about a few finches, huge stretches of logic, and the rest was an attack on God and His Creation. 150 years later and now we know even the finches were a bust since they are all still finches. When they turn into a dog let us know, until then people of God will rightly laugh at the failure that was Darwin.


90 posted on 02/25/2009 7:47:46 AM PST by ToGodBeTheGlory ("Darwinism" is Satanism.)
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To: whattajoke

Savages are intermediate states between people and apes:


91 posted on 02/25/2009 7:53:20 AM PST by Cedric
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To: whattajoke

“At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.”


92 posted on 02/25/2009 7:58:33 AM PST by Cedric
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To: ToGodBeTheGlory

Pretty good. But if you’re going to keep up the ruse, you need to capitalize more, misspell about every third word, and salt your posts with more “evo-combinations.” You know, “evo-slime,” “evo-loser,” “evo-mythomaniac,” “evo-pseudologist,” “evo-menteur à triple étage,” that kind of thing.


93 posted on 02/25/2009 8:04:46 AM PST by atlaw
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To: RFEngineer
I’m confused.........

If you had a 180 IQ you wouldn't be.

94 posted on 02/25/2009 8:06:32 AM PST by varmintman
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To: atlaw

“Pretty good.” is not a complete sentence.


95 posted on 02/25/2009 8:07:24 AM PST by Cedric
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To: atlaw
about every third word

Learn to use proper grammar, you evo-dunce.

96 posted on 02/25/2009 8:10:32 AM PST by Cedric
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To: whattajoke

The Natural Selection discovered by creationists (before Darwin) was a force for conservation, not a blind information-adding nature-god. In short, natural selection means two different things to creationists and evos. One crucial difference being that there is actual evidence supporting the creationist version, whereas I can’t find any evidence backing up the information-adding evo version at all.


97 posted on 02/25/2009 8:12:03 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: varmintman

“If you had a 180 IQ you wouldn’t be.”

The light comes on for another BCL advocate....

You do not appear to have a sense of humor.


98 posted on 02/25/2009 8:22:21 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: Cedric
“Pretty good.” is not a complete sentence.

Suffices. : )

99 posted on 02/25/2009 8:23:18 AM PST by atlaw
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To: atlaw

Sorta.


100 posted on 02/25/2009 8:27:02 AM PST by Cedric
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