Posted on 02/25/2009 1:04:31 PM PST by PlainOleAmerican
More than half of the population is a net beneficiary of socialist giveaway policies. Until things get so bad that this doesn’t matter, you won’t see a rebirth of old values. Even the Republican party is streaked through and through with statist tendencies. Why would most of the states suddenly be unified against Federal encroachment when a large portion of their population is for it? The infection is endemic, worse in blue states than red, but its almost everywhere.
I'm in Chicago. Let me know what I can do.
“Until things get so bad that this doesn’t matter, you won’t see a rebirth of old values.”
So, lets make things much worse for them real fast.... They can’t have what we won’t give up. If the taxpayer cuts off the money supply, how does socialism sui8t them then?
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Disagreeing with my assertion that the states don't have the courage to follow this movement through is your prerogative. However, resolutions are easy for any legislature to pass. It isn't necessary for the people to get behind a resolution since they are only theatrical gestures without any substance. Resolutions are not laws, and they have zero practical effect.
It's true that all movements have to start somewhere. However, this is 2009, an era when the states are so firmly tied to the federal tit financially that most states couldn't operate at all without those funds. The Civil War permanently changed the relationship between the states and the federal government they originally created. Toothless resolutions asserting states rights won't even put a tiny dent in the problem and, in fact, are like spitting into the teeth of a category 5 hurricane.
Just so you don't misunderstand me, I am 100% for a restoration of states rights. I just think these resolutions are pointless.
“Just so you don’t misunderstand me, I am 100% for a restoration of states rights. I just think these resolutions are pointless.”
I got your point, but you are still missing mine... If the people fail to get fully behind these resolutions, they will turn out to be useless. People who believe they are “useless” will make them “useless” by sitting on their hands.
It’s my experience that if you believe you CAN, you are right. But if you believe you CAN’T, you are also right.
Tell him that someone who was at Stanford during the student protests in the early 70s and hung around some of the Joan Baez and Black Panther sorts thinks you are right. It's property rights where the fight for freedom revolves, not hippie socialism (hey, I was part of that, it was and is a form of narcissism not revolution).
“is a form of narcissism not revolution”
So right. I recently told him that he and his hippies are nothing but commie conformists.
It would be a disaster of immense proportions. I don't know what it is about conservatives, but they seem to latch onto these pie-in-the-sky movements and somehow think the Left won't participate and attempt to control the agenda.
We do not live in the patriot-rich 1770's, but the early 21st Century. Ours is a time when many millions of native-born Americans actually loathe this country and its Constitution. Exposing the Constitution to their tender mercies would be the destruction of us all.
Ooo ooo, I know. The path is The Path to Freedom and it leads to FREEDOM. What you do when you're there is up to you. AM I right?
The United States of America has an obligation and responsibility to spread freedom and liberty throughout the world. It is the mandate of our leadership to do what is in the interest of the United States. Freedom and liberty the world over is most certainly in the interest of These United States of America.
The Civil War may have started the trend, but it was the 17th amendment that effectively shut the states out from any meaningful voice in Washington. Repealing the 17th is the foundation of any true restoration of State’s rights.
You fail to get my point. A resolution (these or any others) has no force of law. There is nothing for the people to get behind. They are meaningless gestures.
Laws governing resolutions vary somewhat from state to state. Broadly, resolutions take care of legislative housekeeping functions; convey congratulations or condolences to individuals or groups in the state; express legislative intent; express an opinion or sentiment on matters of public interest; give direction to a state agency or official; or call upon certain governmental agencies, offices, or units such as the U.S. Congress to take a specific course of action.
Most resolutions are not sent to the governor (or president for congressional resolutions) for signature, and they cannot be vetoed. The vast majority of resolutions pass without the public ever even hearing word one about them.
I agree, and have been a leading -- often the only -- advocate for repeal of the 17th on FR for years. However, I am much more of a pragmatist than most who post here. The 17th will never be repealed. The most pratical thing those of us on the Right could do would be to find a way to organize a massive nationwide tax revolt. If it were at all possible to get tens of millions of taxpayers to simply not file in April and refuse to pay their taxes for even one fiscal year, we'd finally get the politicians' attention. We'd overwhelm the IRS system that way. The saying about strength in numbers may be old, but it's 100% true.
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I agree, Wolf. And that is just one more arrow in Liberty's quiver.
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Hey Barack HUSSEIN Obama, I went to Harvard too! That was the worst fieldtrip of my life, but I went there...
The USA was founded on the premise that a revolution is needed every 20 years.
Repealing the 17th Amendment would eliminate a lot of problems.
Which would be different from his normal day in what way?
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