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Porn, Pot and Abortion
Exclusive to FreeRepublic ^ | 2/27/2009 | DouglasKC

Posted on 02/27/2009 8:34:48 AM PST by DouglasKC

Porn, Pot and Abortion

You may have read that the Obama administration has altered United States government policy and has sanctioned "medical" marijuana by ending raids on "clinics" where "medical" marijuana is passed out.

The use of quotes in the paragraph above is deliberate. It's my view and the views of millions of conservatives that there is no such thing as "medical" marijuana...or at least in the way it's being presented to the public.

"Medical" marijuana is simply a term for pot being sold for profit under the guise that it helps a plethora of medical problems. The "clinics" are essentially drug dens that are attempting to gain a little more respectability. It has been the policy of the United States government to raid and shut down these clinics.

Now here's the problem. There are many so called conservatives that support these drug dens. They say that it's a states right issue. That this isn't a power delegated to the United States government.

Clearly this is a debatable point. For example I would offer that it's in the best interest of the country to ban something that is in the worst interest of the country. For example if we had a communist power develop a drug that would make our citizens lazy and unproductive then nobody would argue that we should allow this power to freely distribute this drug in the United States. There would be no hew and cry about "states rights".

But nonetheless there are those who have seized upon the issue of "medical" marijuana as the ultimate expression of states rights. That's fine. That's their rights as Americans. But here's what I wish.

I wish they would be honest and apply the same standard to abortion and pornography. I wish they would stand up and proclaim that abortion and pornography are in the same league. Because if you want to embrace their viewpoint you MUST embrace pornography and abortion.

Abortion, by their logic, should also be a state right. Pornography, by their logic, should also be a state right. Yet the federal government has mandated, by court decisions and law, that the support of these issues are the law of the land.

Now I happen to believe the opposite. I think these two issues are so dangerous to the country as a whole that they SHOULD be banned nationwide for the common welfare of the union of states.

What happened? It's easy. Religious morality stopped in government. We went from a nation governed by religion based morals a government based on amoral, or immoral principles. And let me make it clear..when I say religious morals I'm talking precisely about Judeo-Christian morality...or at least what this morality used to be.

And here's what these so called new conservatives fail to conserve. They fail to conserve the religious morality that stopped our leaders from ruling from a non-principled viewpoint. They fail to conserve the idea that right and wrong don't come from man or man's laws, but from God, the creator of man. They fail to conserve the notion that certain things are repugnant to God and to those who have His morals.

They have taken up the mantle of the 60's generation. Sex and drugs. Don't tell us what to do. We don't like your morals. Once they succeeded in tearing down God, they began working on the government.

John Adams, the 2nd President of the United States said "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

Oh so true. Without morals and religion our constitution fails. It breaks. It doesn't work. It's inadequate. It can be twisted and shaped to whatever viewpoint the rulers want.

Pot. Abortion. Pornography. All of these are issues that a moral people and a moral government instinctively reject. But remove morality from the equation and anything goes. God save us.


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: abortion; angrydopers; anslingersghost; blackjazzmusicians; bloggersandpersonal; channelingharry; culturewars; jackbootedthugs; marijuana; moralabsolutes; pot
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To: ElectricStrawberry
......so my cancer-riddled grandmother shouldn’t smoke the whacky to curb her nausea caused by her chemo? Not even if it increases her quality of life??

She should get a new doctor if he's prescribing smoking pot instead of legitimate nausea medicine. Let me know her doctors name so I can sue him and retire.

161 posted on 02/27/2009 10:41:22 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Dead Corpse
The only one I agree with is the one that has a non-consenting victim in the equation. Murder statutes are rightly a States issue, not a Federal one. Over turn Roe V Wade and de-fund Planned Parenthood.
How about fighting on the side of Freedom, liberty, and personal responsibility some time? Yes, even the parts of "freedom" that you personally find "icky".

Only among leftist thought (and I'm not talking about you) would smoking dope, watching porn and have abortions be considered freedom and liberty. They're enslaving, degrading, dehumanizing activities period.

162 posted on 02/27/2009 10:43:43 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: nina0113
I'm really done now, but there was a time, I'd be putting on a roof, and around 2, the drive to quitting time seemed really uphill. It was in a way. Anyways the dilemma amongst us crew was whether to send out for a 12 pack, or a case. If it was a case, we were all done. But a couple of beers were instant aspirin and a bolt rise in blood sugar and we would carry through in good spirits.

Of course today with the anally retentive security state the idea of roofing with beers in you would horrify the government clerks.

So few people do actually manual labor anymore that the beer/hard work culture is gone.

Coal, steel mills, construction, laundries, mills, fishing...all powered by beer.

Now everyone is fat lazy, lives in house and work in building that they don't even know one person that built them.

AC not working quite right, oh...a horrible day at work. Veritable Joseph Conrad horror..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoGYx35ypus

163 posted on 02/27/2009 10:43:59 AM PST by Leisler
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To: jimt
“There’s a difference between killing someone (abortion) and looking at pictures of people having sex (pornography). There’s also a difference between killing someone (abortion) and consuming a drug never proven to cause harm (pot).” My thoughts exactly thank you for such a common sense post.
164 posted on 02/27/2009 10:46:43 AM PST by TBall
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To: DouglasKC

huh... So you think the Founders were dope smoking porn lovers? After all, such things existed back then and they didn’t ban them in the Constitution. I guess you are just smarter than they were...


165 posted on 02/27/2009 10:46:48 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Te odeo, interfice te cochleare)
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To: fnord

Scientific Marxism.

German Biological Socialism.

Urban planning. Hi rise ghetto projects. Interstate highways through historic cities. Social Security ponzi schemes.

Stuff like that.


166 posted on 02/27/2009 10:47:02 AM PST by Leisler
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
If you outlaw porn, it'll just go underground and become more worse. Child porn is already illegal, and most municipalities have strict zoning requirements preventing adult video shops from operating. I support that, and so do even most social liberals. Yes, porn is prevalent on the internet, but again even the adult websites have strict guidelines against child porn. You can't stop it from going into someone else's computer even if you banned it. They'll just move off-shore and set up shop there

Blah blah blah. And if you ban abortions there'll be back alley abortions everywhere. And banning pot is bad because it causes crime. Yes yes, I know. How come nobody ever makes the case that LEGALIZING something makes it more prevalent? Look at abortion, homosexuality and pornography. When it became unconstitutional to limit these things they flourished. Yet the pro-pot people think that smoking pot is going to be one exception. They think think that when smoking dope is legalized everywhere it will be a virtual paradise of people smoking dope and being cured of their ills.

167 posted on 02/27/2009 10:49:48 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Dead Corpse

Washington was known to cultivate the hemp plant for personal use, if you know what I mean!

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/mss/mgw/mgw1b/651/02300.gif

Day 7: “began to separate the male from the female hemp (and?) (when/was) too late”

He’s also attributed with the quote “Make the most of the Indian hemp seed and sow it everywhere”

Like it or not, Washington and Jefferson and many more of our Founding Fathers embraced hemp. America is truly a cannabis culture long forgotten.

(However, it is not for me)


168 posted on 02/27/2009 10:51:14 AM PST by leonid
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To: DouglasKC
For example if we had a communist power develop a drug that would make our citizens lazy and unproductive then nobody would argue that we should allow this power to freely distribute this drug in the United States.

There's a difference between allowing a drug to be prescribed, and "freely distributed". The only reason that states that allow medical marijuana have created a separate distribution channel is because federal law makes it impossible to use existing pharmacies to handle it without incurring un-insurable liabilities/criminal penalties. CVS, Rite-Aid, Longs, etc... are not going to want to handle a product that allows the federal government to seize the entire corporation.

I knew stoners in college, and a lot of them were unambitious (not the same as lazy, they actually had to work harder because they often didn't work smarter). I'd take every single one of them as an employee over someone who has to stay on opiates or soma to relieve pain. Those individuals are completely unable to focus their brain on any but the most simple tasks, and often can barely stay awake.

I agree that there will be widespread abuse of medical marijuana until federal law carves out an exception and it starts falling under the same regulations as other schedule II drugs. If one were to embrace least harm principles, Heroin should also be dropped to schedule II, and Methadone bumped up to schedule I.

I think that protecting people with poor impulse control from self-abuse at the expense of the pain and suffering of the ill is sickeningly immoral. I also think that trying to protect those with poor impulse control from self-abuse with legislation is the kind of magical thinking that I normally only associate with the worst liberal policies.

169 posted on 02/27/2009 10:52:55 AM PST by amchugh (large and largely disgruntled)
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To: Dead Corpse

Even as someone who supports the decriminalization of pot (or at least the right of states to determine as such) and the continued legality of pornography, I think that’s a weak argument.

I don’t think the founding fathers could have imagined pot or pornography in the sense that we know it.


170 posted on 02/27/2009 10:54:13 AM PST by Boxen (There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.)
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To: Dead Corpse
The founders didn't need porn. They just went up stairs with any of the tavern maids that 'worked' the tables on their stage coach stops every twenty miles.

(What? You don't think a stage coach tavern owner didn't try to have 'full service', and attractions beyond refreshments? )

You never forget your first St. Pauli girl. And why was that? St. Pauli is a port side district in Hamburg, German and once famous for prostitution. Anyways, the founders were quite a randy lot, including Washington who married an older rich widow and spent a lot of time away with other men's wives.

171 posted on 02/27/2009 10:54:40 AM PST by Leisler
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To: tacticalogic
Sure. But no doctor is going to prescribe a fifth of Jim Beam to overcome cancer pain. And nobody thinks moonshine cures cancer. And nobody thinks smoking crack is healthy.
Nobody thinks eating junk food every day is good for you either. Only the nanny state liberals think the federal government should stop you from doing it.

Here's where the deceived conservatives do the most harm to our nation. Making that comparison send the message "Hey kids...smoking dope is no more harmful than eating junk food!"

172 posted on 02/27/2009 10:55:06 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

Kinda sounds like Ancient Rome doesn’t it?


173 posted on 02/27/2009 10:55:26 AM PST by RC2
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To: Leisler
Coal, steel mills, construction, laundries, mills, fishing...all powered by beer.

When I was in Spain (just a vacation, alas), the only people who got up early were the manual laborers and all the cafes had breakfast specials of chorizo and cerveza. I was up early too because I don't believe in wasting vacation time on sleep.

Even longer ago, when I lived in Minnesota, I remember a news report of union negotiations in a Wisconsin brewery - the brewery wanted to remove the benefit of beer in the breakroom, offering 12-packs to take home instead. The union found this unacceptable. I don't remember the resolution.

My personal rule is, no edged power tools.

174 posted on 02/27/2009 10:55:37 AM PST by nina0113 (Hugh Akston is my hero.)
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To: DouglasKC
Here's where the deceived conservatives do the most harm to our nation. Making that comparison send the message "Hey kids...smoking dope is no more harmful than eating junk food!"

I think we'd do more harm teaching them that there can only be absolute government control and authority over everything you do, or total anarchy.

175 posted on 02/27/2009 10:59:02 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: DouglasKC

“Hey kids...smoking dope is no more harmful than eating junk food!”

For some fatties this is indeed true.


176 posted on 02/27/2009 10:59:57 AM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: mkjessup

LOL that’s a good one!


177 posted on 02/27/2009 11:00:51 AM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: amchugh
"..magical thinking.."

Good phrase.

One of the important things to remember is that magical thinking remains constant, but like energy just changes form from time to time. Marxism, Nazism, Progressives, Urban planning, Obama,.....

178 posted on 02/27/2009 11:01:07 AM PST by Leisler
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To: leonid
However, it is not for me

Me neither. Still, give the prohibitionists more power, they'll get back around to trying to outlaw my Scotch as well. That would not go over well...

179 posted on 02/27/2009 11:02:57 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Te odeo, interfice te cochleare)
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To: RC2
Kinda sounds like Ancient Rome doesn’t it?

Yup. And it's going to lead to the same thing.

180 posted on 02/27/2009 11:03:02 AM PST by DouglasKC
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