Skip to comments.Obama In Favor Of Giving Marijuana Jurisdiction To States
Posted on 02/27/2009 2:01:36 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin
Washington, DC (AHN) - U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder hinted that President Obama supports ending raids on pot dispensaries in California, allowing states to make their own rules regarding the use of medical marijuana.
Speaking as a Washington news conference, Holder discussed DEA raids since Obama took office, saying the administration has changed its policy.
"What the president said during the campaign, you'll be surprised to know, will be consistent with what we'll be doing here in law enforcement," he said. "What he said during the campaign is now American policy."
Obama told an interviewer in March that it was "entirely appropriate" for a state to legalize the medical use of marijuana "with the same controls as other drugs prescribed by doctors," adding that he saw no difference between doctor-prescribed morphine and marijuana as pain relievers.
Advocacy groups have been protesting Drug Enforcement Agency raids in California, including four on Los Angeles-area dispensaries on Feb 2, prompting White House spokesman Nick Schapiro to respond.
"The president believes that federal resources should not be used to circumvent state laws" and expects his appointees to follow that policy, Schapiro said.
The federal government has fought state medicinal pot laws since Californians voted in 1996 to repeal criminal penalties for medical use of marijuana.
But Obama's move is a sharp departure from President George W. Bush's administration which often raided medical marijuana growers and clinics, prosecuting suppliers under federal drug laws and pressuring commercial property owners to evict marijuana dispensaries by threatening legal action.
Wow it's almost like you've taken your first step toward federalism. Of course we all know no one in power on the right or left ever really cares about federalism as a guiding principle.
He only means it when it comes to the degradation of human beings. Or if it will help kill America’s economy like California’s environmental laws.
Otherwise, it is big brother all the day long.
Good, then abortion right and marriage and if he doesn’t like the results he better not try to get the Supreme Court to over turn things.
In effect this legalizes marijuana nationwide.
Just like Soros wanted.
yup & bttt
Suits me, if he follows through with similar policies on guns, abortions, and welfare.
Well..., I’m not a supporter of promoting drug usage... But, at least this is a move towards “states rights”... and away from Federal Government encroachment on everything to do with the states...
Let the state make it illegal... for sure... :-)
thought this might interest you so i’m pinging. :)
On Odooma’s change.gov site, before his inagural, the number one topic from the minions was legalizing marijuana.
So this don’t surprise me.
Need a quick cash crop that isn’t energy intensive or land intensive? Pot is the deal.
Word is the push to repeal prohibition in the 30’s was the States need for tax revenue in the depression. Let it be the same for marijuana: legalize it and tax it. I doubt the feds get much revenue from the current $10,000/ounce marihuana tax stamp.
Pot is already the number one cash crop in America and has been for many years.
It is just to rational. I doubt if he will do it.
In 2006, pot was estimated to be a $35 BILLION crop in the U.S.A.
Presumably if it were “legalized”, the cash value would drop to the level of apples, grapes, or cotton.
Marijuana Production in the United States (2006)
By Jon Gettman, Ph.D.
Table 7. Top Cash Crops in the United States (Average Value 2003 2005)
Rank / Crop / Average Production Value ($1000s)
1 Marijuana $35,803,591
2 Corn $23,299,601
3 Soybeans $17,612,200
4 Hay $12,236,638
5 Vegetables $11,080,733
6 Wheat $7,450,907
7 Cotton-All $5,314,870
8 Grapes $2,876,547
9 Apples $1,787,532
10 Rice $1,706,665
11 Oranges $1,583,009
12 Tobacco $1,466,633
13 Sugarbeets $1,158,078
14 Sugarcane $942,176
15 Sorghum $840,923
16 Cottonseed $821,655
17 Peanuts $819,617
18 Barley $653,095
19 Peaches $474,745
20 Beans $467,236
Only because it's illegality drives the price up astronomically.
It's a fast growing weed that should be worth about a nickel a pound.
With all due respect that’s like saying a bottle of Chivas should be $1.00 because people will use the alcohol for their cigarette lighters, and cigarettes should be 50 cents per pack because they also are made from yet another weed.
Personally I think the illegal pot trade is encouraged by pols, because there’s no obvious social utility in that $2,500 extra cost per pound.
I wouldn’t say fast in general. Depends on the strain and whether you’re growing from seed or clone. All strains need about 4 weeks to veg. Strains from tropical climates need longer flowering times. Flowering ranges from 7-14 weeks for nearly all strains.
But keep in mind, commercial growers don’t grow from seed. They grow from clones, which means a 2 week veg time and usually a 6 week flower time.
Hey you have to know all this info when battling the lying drug warriors.
I see your point, but tobacco is a bit harder to grow and harvest, and cigarettes have chemicals added in after the fact.
“Obama In Favor Of Giving Marijuana Jurisdiction To States”
Of course he is.
A country with harsh laws that are ignored by whim is a dictatorship.
If Obama wants the states to be in charge he should work for repeal of the federal laws. That’s the correct way to do it.
It’s confusing for LEO to have laws on the book and instructions not to enforce them, or to enforce them selectively.
It is about time.
People are going to be outraged when they find out that Rick Simpson is correct when he says cannabis can cure cancer.
“Run From the Cure: The Rick Simpson Story” at You Tube
Hemp Oil (Marijuana Oil) Cures Cancer? - Part 1/14- radio interview at YouTube:
OK Folks, light em if you got em .
“Suits me, if he follows through with similar policies on guns, abortions, and welfare.”
Um...m...m, I’m thinking...no. Somehow I feel this will be highly subjective “federalism.” Just my opinion.
From a former pot head.
Unfortunately for the dopers, having the government get the ability to tax marijuana will end up not being a good thing. Just as they want to see $4 gas, they will want to tax pot to the point of pain. Illegal growers will be back just like there are still moonshiners operating in the South.
No it will probably be similar to the alcohol tax. People can brew beer in their own homes. It's not against the law.
You must have more faith in Obama and the California Legislature than I do.
How on earth does this legalize marijuana nationwide?
I don't know what you mean by this. People smoke marijuana and drink Chivas, but you can't grow Chivas in your backyard.
and cigarettes should be 50 cents per pack because they also are made from yet another weed.
I am not a botanist, but I don't believe tobacco is a weed. I could be wrong. And the tobacco in cigarettes shouldn't be much more than 50 cents a pack, though growing tobacco is much more labor intensive. There's additional costs involved in manufacturing the tobacco into cigarettes too.
All that said, I still don't understand the point you were making.
Well the only guess we have is to look at the alcohol taxes there, until we have real data. The only faith I have in politicians is faith that they’ll make things worse.
“Need a quick cash crop that isnt energy intensive or land intensive? Pot is the deal.”
I’m still in favor of Bathtub Gin, myself...
If 0bama thinks that ‘unleashing the hounds’ when it comes to illegal drugs is the answer, we are totally lost. (Yep. Pot is STILL illegal!)
This is how it will go:
Let the States do as they will.
Find a way to tax the H#LL out of them when they do so.
Pot and tobacco goes underground...a NEW economy is created, so then you...
Let the States do as they will.
Find a way to tax the H#LL out of them when they do so.
(Whatever is now BANNED goes underground...a NEW economy is created, so then you...)
Back to Square One.
Can you make ethanol out of it?
Travelers go to LA or SF and get a scrip from the scrip mills, go buy MJ and head home.
“It’s a fast growing weed that should be wor0th about a nickel a pound.”
Every year, and I mean EVERY year since 1970...Dad is hoeing down random pot plants behind the barn from our days in High School. ;)
In hindsight my Obama comment was a low blow. This should be a civil discussion of the topic. Sorry.
No offense taken. I stopped letting forum posts bother me a long time ago.
Now, maybe. But what if hte stuff is legalized? Illegality is what puts the "cash" value in marijuana as a cash crop. Nicotiana tabacum, in the form of Burley tobacco, used for cigarettes, gets a farmer about $1.75 a pound, after drying.
What is Cannabis sativa going to fetch the farmer when it is just another cash crop? More than tobacco? Certainly at first, but for how long?
Today, somebody used to paying $100 an ounce for "cheap" marijuana, and many times that for hydroponically grown, high THC stuff, might think that a $50.00 an ounce tax, (as proposed in Sacramento) in exchange for legalization, is a great deal. Certainly the knowledge that you won't be arrested, or shot in the head, tryuing to buy dope is worth a lot, and the tax will bring in some money the first few years.
But when the untaxed crop is selling for, let's be crazy and say 10 times as much as tobacco, or $17.50 a pound, how great will a tax of $800 a pound seem then? A tax on retailers under the bill under proposal in Sacramento.
Hmmm. If a guy buys weed from a legal retailer, 97.5% of the dealer's raw material cost is for excise tax. If, on the other hand, the weed buyer buys from a production chain that doesn't pay taxes, well he can pay his non-taxed supplier $408.75 a pound for non-taxed weed, or 23 times the $17.50 a pound the farmer in the tax paid distribution chain gets (which is, remember, 10 times what the tobacco farmer gets), and still pay just half the product cost (much less selling price) of the the legal, taxed retailer.
That doesn't sound like a formula for a vast influx of cash to the State coffers. It sounds like changing the offense for marijuana possession to a revenue crime.
Remember all those movies about moonshiners in the 50s, 60s, and 70s? The Federal Excise Tax on distilled liquor was $12.50 a proof gallon, or what 50-60% of the retail price of rot gut at a licensed, taxed liquor store? This tax is 90%+. Any bets on whether the State of California (again, after a brief burst of revenue) spends more on beefing up its revenue collection efforts than it actually collects at $800 a pound?
What a pant load. It was never a legitimate federal issue at the start. All the states ever had to do was refuse to allow the feds to enforce their regs. Simple enough to do, and nothing the feds can do about it.
The FDA has done us a real service recently with it's concern and diligence in keeping the American Public safe from poisons in our food and bad pharmaceuticals . </sarcasm>
“All the states ever had to do was refuse to allow the feds to enforce their regs.”
Oh, Baby...but that Federal Cash is Sweeeeeeet! Like milk from your Mother’s bosom. And the Feds were smart enough (or just EVIL enough) to tie Federal Funding to lots of things...helmet laws, seat belt laws, insurance laws, liquor laws and taxes, gasoline taxes in turn for fixing roads with federal cash...you name it!
States Governments and their Governors are JUST as addicted to Federal Cash as the State Citizens are to their particular vices.
Nor am I.
Pot dealers, to maintain their lifestylesuch as it iswill have to move on to cocaine, heroin, methamphetamines, or switch to stealing cars.
Agreed. Why did the states pay any attention to this in the first place? Seems I read somewhere: “all other powers are reserved to the states, and to the people”.
They collect sales taxes from medical marijuana dispensaries in California already. If it was legalized and mass produced without any fear of arrest or seizure the process would drop through the floor and there would be plenty of room for taxes. And there aren't many moonshiners left here in the South. Mostly it's just a good ole’ boy here and there cooking up a little hooch and sharing it with friends and family. There is no big market for it involving major organized crime like with illegal drugs. I bet 95+% of alcohol sales are through legal channels. So, if illegal growers are selling some weed like moonshiners in the South, it wouldn't be such a big deal.
I don’t think the state will be satisfied with just sales tax.
IIRC, medical marijuana in CA is about $300/oz. and they do a booming business. I would think a $50 dollar/oz. tax would be reasonable - reasonable being defined as getting maximum revenues without creating a black market.
CA wants money. Period. They want to nab as much as they can of the $8.3 billion that the Mexican cartels receive every year from marijuana sold in the US.¹ It is in their interest to have a well regulated and reasonably taxed market.
Even if they make a hash of it, it would strike a blow for the Tenth Amendment, and mean the end of the WOD as we know it. That should be supported, IMO.
¹John P. Walters, director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy, said marijuana, not heroin or cocaine, is the "bread and butter," "the center of gravity" for Mexican drug cartels that every year smuggle tons of it through the porous U.S.-Mexico border. Of the $13.8 billion that Americans contributed to Mexican drug traffickers in 2004-05, about 62 percent, or $8.6 billion, comes from marijuana consumption.
Well, that's the beauty of the whole federalism / laboratories of democracy thing. One size doesn't have to fit all. If you don't like dope smoking, shop for a state that doesn't allow it. It's none of the feds' business anyway. Plus, then the states would have to COMPETE to have laws the sheeple want. All being forced into the same mold is also an effective excuse to cover their butts for passing some law the people don't like and that they couldn't get away with if done on their own when the state next door didn't pass the same law.
LOLOL! That was a good laugh! Thanks!