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'Pretty sad' Limbaugh's the lead GOP voice: Ron Paul
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Posted on 03/02/2009 12:03:53 PM PST by Sub-Driver

'Pretty sad' Limbaugh's the lead GOP voice: Ron Paul @ 2:13 pm by Michael O'Brien

It is pretty sad that conservative talk radio host Rush Limbaugh has become the de-facto voice of the Republican Party, Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) said Monday.

"I think it’s pretty sad," Paul said during an appearance on CNN Monday morning. "And it means that the Republicans are really starving for some type of leadership."

"He really didn’t broaden the base," the former Republican presidential candidate told the network's John Roberts. "I mean, it’s still very narrow, and that is why some of us would like to see an approach that would emphasize personal liberties and civil liberties."

Limbaugh's speech at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) this past weekend has been the subject of much discussion on the left and the right, with a number of Republican leaders (such as Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele) sounding off on Limbaugh's role and influence within the GOP.

"I think a lot of people like to hear what he’s saying, but I think it’s also a little bit polarizing and confrontational, and I think that’s why the Democrats are bragging that Limbaugh now speaks for the Republicans," Paul added. "So I guess the Democrats think it’s to their advantage if he’s leading the charge."

The Texas Republican also indicated there was little chance he would rekindle his presidential bid in 2012, opting instead to focus on his "Campaign for Liberty" fund.


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To: Sub-Driver

Limbaugh doesn’t presume to lead the GOP. Fight with the Democrats, Ron.


51 posted on 03/02/2009 12:15:07 PM PST by popdonnelly (I don't live my life to gain the approval of liberals and leftists.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Congresscritter Paul should attempt to become a uniter within the party. You’d think that after co-habitating for years with demoncrats in the House, he’d be a little more tolerant of those who have better poll numbers than he.


52 posted on 03/02/2009 12:15:15 PM PST by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: mnehrling

How do you post pics?


53 posted on 03/02/2009 12:15:33 PM PST by Anti-Kenyan
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To: Sub-Driver

Paul’s “expansion of the base” seems to include Truthers...

No thanks.


54 posted on 03/02/2009 12:15:40 PM PST by DB
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To: MatD
Gee Dr. Paul, and how is it exactly that YOU ‘expand the base’???
He tried to Expand the base with all of his "shirmp" based pork earmarks. Ron is pathetic. I am a new NON-supporter of any Congress critter who has been in office more than two terms. They are corrupted by that time and no longer reflect any of the ideals that led them to pursue the office.
55 posted on 03/02/2009 12:15:44 PM PST by An American! (Proud To Be An American!)
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To: LottieDah

Sort of like saying if you can’t see them, they don’t exist, or if you believe something enough, it’s got to be true.


56 posted on 03/02/2009 12:16:19 PM PST by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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To: Sub-Driver; dirtboy

I wish everyone that read this thread wouldn’t fall into the kneejerk trap. Liberals want to divide and conquer us.

Reposting my arguments from the other thread:

We need a coalition of fiscal conservatives NOW. We can fight about stupid things from the past and social issue disagreements AFTER our free market society has been saved.


I applaud you for your activism, but what does that have to do with my point? The “Big Tent” everyone talks about is FISCAL CONSERVATISM and FEDERALISM. Ron Paul wants federalism. Libertarians want federalism. Conservatives want federalism. You want federalism. I want federalism. I can get most liberals and non-political types to agree with federalism once explained to them.

With federalism, most of our social issue arguments between various factions on the Right will go out the window. Roe v Wade? State issue. Drug War? State issue. And on and on.

That is where we need to get. Trashing other fiscal conservatives for their wacky views will get us nowhere. If they’re federalists and they’re not in your state, then their opinions should have no bearing on your state issues.


You have to pick your battles. Right now, there are only two political groups in my mind: Producers and their allies, and Leeches and their allies. This is the perfect chance to sell federalism to the Producers and allies.


57 posted on 03/02/2009 12:16:54 PM PST by Sir Gawain (With Obama's "tax cut" I can afford a torch and a pitchfork in just TWO WEEKS!)
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To: MatD
Gee Dr. Paul, and how is it exactly that YOU ‘expand the base’???

Think of all the graffiti artists and poster makers he brought into the party.

58 posted on 03/02/2009 12:17:03 PM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution - 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Sub-Driver
The saddest thing about the downfall of the GOP from control over both houses of Congress and the presidency to where they are now is that they still don't seem to understand why it happened. Criticizing a talk show host who stands up for the conservative principles that Republicans are supposed to espouse while Republican congressmen beg for Obama's autograph isn't going to bring the GOP back to power.

But Limbaugh has to be loving the attention - his name hasn't been in the national press this much in years.
59 posted on 03/02/2009 12:17:41 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Anti-Kenyan

Lots of various instructions on this thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1555762/posts


60 posted on 03/02/2009 12:18:02 PM PST by mnehring (!!!!!!!SHRUG!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Sub-Driver
One last attempt of these losers to make it to the big time..LMBO!Romney now Ron Paul..I hope Ron does not think he will be one of the candidates for president come next election.Keep your day job Ron you will need it... Rush is the only one lately I have listened to that speaks the truth,the RINOS along with the others are kissing democrat butt..
61 posted on 03/02/2009 12:18:13 PM PST by PLD
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To: Sub-Driver
What is even sadder is that 3 RINOs in the Senate voted in favor of the “Marxism Conversion Act of 2009”. It will be difficult toothpaste to get back in the tube.
62 posted on 03/02/2009 12:18:15 PM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: danmyte
"What is Paul talking about?"

Maybe he means that it's sad there are no Republican politicians saying what Rush, simply a citizen, is saying??

63 posted on 03/02/2009 12:18:17 PM PST by sweet_diane (embracing Him)
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To: Sir Gawain
I wish everyone that read this thread wouldn’t fall into the kneejerk trap

Sorry, but I really am not interested in the two-faced folks like Ron Paul - and especially when they also spent so much energy opposing the Iraq War. The GOP needs to be re-built from the ground up. Paul can go pound sand.

64 posted on 03/02/2009 12:18:35 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: Sub-Driver

Hey, Ron, if Rush ran for president he’d do a better job then you have.

Your cut and run strategy for Iraq makes you no better than Harry Reid.


65 posted on 03/02/2009 12:19:06 PM PST by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Zevonismymuse

“I don’t see anything disparaging to Rush in these remarks. I think Ron Paul is rightly acknowledging that the GOP is no longer representing the values of the conservative voters. I think a lot of people in the MSM are being divisive and cherry picking comments like those attributed to Paul in an attempt to marginalize Rush. Don’t buy into it. Michael Steele’s remarks were anti-Rush, stupid and off the mark, but I don’t think what Ron Paul says here is comparable to Steele’s remarks.”

I read this the same way as you. It is rather sad that, in all of the republican party, we have to look to a radio talk show host to lead. It is not a slam at Rush but says something about the lack of conservative leaders in the rebublican party.


66 posted on 03/02/2009 12:19:55 PM PST by AmericanHunter
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To: TFMcGuire

Agreed: Ron Paul is an eccentric screwball and gadfly.

Rush Limbaugh’s analysis last Saturday at CPAC was spot on. Every single word of it. Hit out of the ballpark. By any reasonable measure, Rush is indeed the spiritual and philosophical leader of the Conservative Movement.

If Republican politicians would follow Rush’s leadership and inspiration, they could take back the Congress in 2010 just as they did under Rush’s leadership and inspiration in 1994.


67 posted on 03/02/2009 12:20:00 PM PST by Welcome2thejungle
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To: Sub-Driver

It’s pretty sad that McCain was the best that the Republicans could come up with as a candidate. How do they think they did? And why should we listen to Paul?


68 posted on 03/02/2009 12:20:13 PM PST by Thebaddog (Obama really did believe that stuff he was saying during the campaign)
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To: Sub-Driver

Like Pavlov’s dog, they dump on Rush when the MSM rings the bell.


69 posted on 03/02/2009 12:21:27 PM PST by PogySailor (We're so screwed.....welcome to the American Oligarchy)
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To: Sub-Driver
""He really didn’t broaden the base," the former Republican presidential candidate told the network's John Roberts. "I mean, it’s still very narrow, and that is why some of us would like to see an approach that would emphasize personal liberties and civil liberties."

"Broaden the base". I'm sick of hearing this phrase. The favorite concept of loser, liberal, groveling Republicans to appeal to Democrat Leftists; hoping against hope that these same people who hate them will love them in end.

"Broadening the base" means betraying conservative principles for the sake of the "big tent" party; for the sake of winning elections and governing like liberals. "Broadening the base" is a mind game by played by Democrats in Republican (play acting conservative) clothes.

70 posted on 03/02/2009 12:22:02 PM PST by StormEye
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To: Sub-Driver

“Narrow base” my rear. That narrow base defeated the “homosexuals are just like you” measure in California and the majority were black! Most people are conservatives, Ron. But it takes someone with common sense to understand that.


71 posted on 03/02/2009 12:22:20 PM PST by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: sweet_diane

I hope you are right because I would agree with that sentiment. However, when on CNN one must speak very clearly or it will be used against you. Perhaps he did and the excerpts are not doing what he said justice. I do not know.


72 posted on 03/02/2009 12:22:46 PM PST by danmyte (dana)
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To: All

Ron Paul is a wild-eyed libertarian with nominal conservative leanings, and he simply pays lip service to the US Constitution when it is convenient and needful in order to tickle the ears of a particular audience he may be addressing.

He is to the GOP what Howard Dean was to the Dems four years ago - possibly worse.

He ought to be summarily kicked out of, and disenfranchised from the GOP, along with Collins, Snowe, Specter, and every current member of the House or Senate who inserted so much as one earmark into Porkulus.

Ron Paul should hang his head in shame for his negative, unhelpful comments; he should go home to Texas and resume his medical practice and adhere rigidly to the Hippocratic Oath, “Above all, do no harm.”

A.A.C.


73 posted on 03/02/2009 12:23:01 PM PST by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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To: Thebaddog

McCain wasn’t the best, he was the status quo. It is almost like the Physics theory of conservation of energy, objects will always move to the lowest energy state.. well politics will always move to the status quo state.


74 posted on 03/02/2009 12:23:13 PM PST by mnehring (!!!!!!!SHRUG!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Sub-Driver
"Did someone say widen the base? Or the stance?"


75 posted on 03/02/2009 12:23:23 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle

Creepy. Creepy as that Co Springs preacher.


76 posted on 03/02/2009 12:24:43 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: Sub-Driver

Ron Paul is weird! He is a flake! Ya know what I mean? The Drive by media is saying that Rush is the Defacto leader in exile voice for Republican party. Rush is the American Voice for CONSERVATIVES. Rush wouldn’t want to lead some of the Republicans. Should Republicans listen to him? Yes, but some won’t. If we want to win again they better start listening to him!


77 posted on 03/02/2009 12:25:02 PM PST by tallyhoe
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To: Sub-Driver

Et tu Brutus.


78 posted on 03/02/2009 12:25:51 PM PST by bboop (obama, little o, not a Real God)
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To: dirtboy

The GOP can’t rebuild if they can never win the first big battle by building a fiscal coalition. Your strategy is a pipe dream considering 50% of the nation pays no taxes, and there is also a percentage of Leech allies that will vote with the useful idiots.

If you think we can toss all fiscal conservatives overboard based on some litmus test, then I’m putting the burden on you to replace those people in our coalition. Where you gonna find the votes after tossing the Libertarians, Blue Dogs, Independents, and disaffected Obama supporters overboard right before we need them for the biggest battle of our country’s history?


79 posted on 03/02/2009 12:27:24 PM PST by Sir Gawain (With Obama's "tax cut" I can afford a torch and a pitchfork in just TWO WEEKS!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Well, at least RoPaul admits he doesn’t like conservatism.


80 posted on 03/02/2009 12:27:54 PM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (RINOs and conservatives who won't unite to fight for the Right - two sides of the same coin)
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To: Sub-Driver
The sad part is in this interview the 'sad' comment wasn't the only bash Paul made at Rush or an appeal to appeal to 'progressives'.. He also said:
I think it’s also a little bit polarizing and confrontational, and I think that’s why the Democrats are bragging that Limbaugh now speaks for the Republicans. So I guess the Democrats think it’s to their advantage if he’s leading the charge.

And in those areas, it’s really the old Republican Party, because even Limbaugh was a strong supporter of Bush. So, he doesn’t have anything new either when it comes to, you know, bringing our troops home and not expanding the war in Afghanistan, and talking about, you know, the danger to our personal liberties and our privacies.

But the important thing is that somebody comes through with a philosophy that appeals to good, principled, liberal Democrats and progressives who like personal liberty, who don’t want to see perpetual war and to appeal to people who believe in the free market. I mean, this is what we need. We’re in desperate shape financially. Worldwide, we’re bankrupting ourselves because we’re overextended.

81 posted on 03/02/2009 12:29:59 PM PST by mnehring (!!!!!!!SHRUG!!!!!!!!!)
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To: dirtboy

“It is pretty sad that conservative talk radio host Rush Limbaugh has become the de-facto voice of the Republican Party, Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) said Monday.

“I think it’s pretty sad,” Paul said during an appearance on CNN Monday morning. “And it means that the Republicans are really starving for some type of leadership.” “

He is right. We don’t have any confidence that our elected republicans will ever speak up and stand up for what they belive in. They should have been in our faces every time san fran nan openned her mouth as the speaker of the house and spent money. Nooo they were too scared to disagree with a president - they were too busy f@#$%^& us right along with the democrats. Todays republicans are a bunch of whimps whose nuts have been turned over to the dems. For example where are they ranting about the 900Million going to Gaza? They have one thumb in the ass and the other in their mouth and are playing switch.


82 posted on 03/02/2009 12:31:01 PM PST by Cyclone59 (You know why there’s a Second Amendment? In case the government fails to follow the first one.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Sad is Paul never developing into a leader.


83 posted on 03/02/2009 12:31:23 PM PST by NoLibZone (To save our nation a strongly worded e-mail is in order!)
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To: Sub-Driver
Ron Paul is right. Rush talks and walks conservatism better than any GOPer.
84 posted on 03/02/2009 12:31:32 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Sub-Driver

Geez, the Republican Party is not narrow and I’m really tired of party members saying this. It’s a HUGE tent, with liberals and moderates trying to co-exist with conservatives and that is the source of this problem. No one is advocating that we throw the moderates and liberals out; we just want them to stop being chosen as the leaders.

The friction is due to the posturing and positioning taking place right now and that’s a good thing. The more conservatives speak up and claim their rightful place as leaders of the party, the better off it will be.

The Democratic Party went through the same exact issue during its primary, with Clinton representing the more moderate wing and Obama the liberal wing. The liberals won and that’s the direction they decided to take.

Now, what is the best contrast to extreme liberalism? Conservatism. That is why I am certain the conservative wing will emerge as the direction our party will take and it will come from the likes of Palin, Jindal and others.

I, for one, am thrilled to see this disagreement within our party. It means the conservatives have finally awakened and they’re ready to take charge.


85 posted on 03/02/2009 12:33:06 PM PST by nomoremods
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To: Sub-Driver
"He really didn’t broaden the base,"...

You broaden the base by having strong core priciples that you present to people, and then explain why those priciples are correct, and why they are better than the opposition's proposals. You do not bend or spin those principles to suit the occassion, and you wait for the broadening to come to you. This is what Rush does.

86 posted on 03/02/2009 12:34:22 PM PST by LRS (Just contracts; just laws; just a constitution...)
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To: LRS

See 81, he want’s to broaden the base by having a “ philosophy that appeals to good, principled, liberal Democrats and progressives”


87 posted on 03/02/2009 12:36:59 PM PST by mnehring (!!!!!!!SHRUG!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Look who’s talking. Ron Paul, the arch-credible...NOT.


88 posted on 03/02/2009 12:37:04 PM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (American Revolution II -- overdue.)
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To: Sub-Driver

I remember images of Duncan Hunter standing in the snow and people just passing him by. Or standing on stage during a debate and getting asked maybe one question all night.

I’d ask people about him and they’d look at me like I was talking another language. “He doesn’t impress me”. He was a truly impressive man in a race that ultimately gave us John McCain as our standard bearer for pete’s sake.

There are a lot of conservatives who are not really very conservative; they assume “conservative” is whatever they like. Meanwhile a real conservative can’t get the time of day. And GOP stalwarts go after our most outspoken philosopher and assume they speak for the party at large. Maybe they do. But they don’t speak for me.

Most of the people attacking Rush from the right or the left have not a clue what they are talking about. They mostly repeat the media spin on him proving they haven’t heard a thing he’s said.


89 posted on 03/02/2009 12:37:23 PM PST by marron
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To: Sub-Driver

The reason Rush is the Republican spokesman is because there aren’t any Conservative Republicans with the guts or b@lls to be the national voice for the GOP. Of course, Ron Paul isn’t really a Conservative and I don’t think he ever pretended he was. Paul is a Libertarian, which is Very Different from a Conservative.


90 posted on 03/02/2009 12:37:52 PM PST by FFranco (To be stupid, and selfish, and to have good health are the three requirements for happiness.)
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To: LRS
priNciples- HTH did I miss the n? sheesh!
91 posted on 03/02/2009 12:38:24 PM PST by LRS (Just contracts; just laws; just a constitution...)
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To: Sir Gawain
If you think we can toss all fiscal conservatives overboard based on some litmus test, then I’m putting the burden on you to replace those people in our coalition.

Ron Paul is a rank earmark hypocrite AND an antiwar wingnut. His following in 2008 was mostly from the left. You want to build a coalition with broad appeal? Get non-hypocrites into the movement who don't say one thing and do another, and whose primary appeal in the 2008 primary was NOT to antiwar wingnuts.

92 posted on 03/02/2009 12:40:00 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: mnehrling
who don’t want to see perpetual war

No one wants to see perpetual war. Some of us realize, however, that war is necessary at times. I don't know whether to call him Ron Chamberlain or Neville Paul.

93 posted on 03/02/2009 12:41:39 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: danmyte
He's saying that is really a shame that its a radio talk show host who seems to be the voice of the Republican Party and not its senior leadership. He's not slamming Rush, he's saying that the Republicans are starving for leadership (given that the Republicans (note i said Republicans NOT Conservatives) got served in the election he's not wrong) and while Rush brings up some good points and talks about civil liberties and rights, he doesn't have a role in the party in terms of making policy, also Paul does think that Rush is a bit confrontational and polarizing, but he's an entertainer trying to keep his listeners and thats why alot of people tune into his show so he's expected to be like that. Sometimes you need to read between the lines and try to understand what people mean.

Rush is an entertainer, dont let the fact his show caters to Conservatives make you lose sight of that, he's paid to get on the air and make his Conservative views known in a fairly confrontational and blustery way, we've all come to expect this of Rush so of course he's going to cater to that image to keep people tuning in and listening. Its still up to you to do your own research and form your own opinions on things and not take anything at face value just because the voice comes out of a magic talking box.

Note I'm not saying that what Rush says is wrong or that he's not valid in what he says on the air or that he doesn't believe what he says. He's great at what he does and he's filling a void thats not being filled by the leadership, its just a shame that its falling to him to do.

94 posted on 03/02/2009 12:42:38 PM PST by bankcritic (Never spend your money before you have it. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: xcamel

Now THAT’S funny!


95 posted on 03/02/2009 12:42:44 PM PST by Crim (Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....http://falconparty.com/)
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To: FFranco

Not a whole lot of difference between a conservative and Libertarian. I am more Libertarian who did not vote for GWB. Both conservatives and libertarians share the same belief of limited government, minus the christian conservatives.


96 posted on 03/02/2009 12:43:19 PM PST by lakertaker (Still clinging bitterly to my guns and religion)
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To: Sub-Driver

You don’t like Rush speaking for the Republican party?

Then why don’t you ELECTED F***S DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT? Like...I don’t know, TAKING A STAND YOURSELVES?

If you want to “work with the president” and “hope Obama succeeds” then why don’t you just resign now? Why are you even there as “Republicans”?

This truly blows. :(


97 posted on 03/02/2009 12:43:21 PM PST by Tzimisce (http://groups.myspace.com/nailthemessiah)
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To: FFranco

Not a whole lot of difference between a conservative and Libertarian. I am more Libertarian who did not vote for GWB. Both conservatives and libertarians share the same belief of limited government, minus the christian conservatives.


98 posted on 03/02/2009 12:43:23 PM PST by lakertaker (Still clinging bitterly to my guns and religion)
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To: Zevonismymuse
"I think a lot of people like to hear what he’s saying, but I think it’s also a little bit polarizing and confrontational,

Sounds a lot like that effeminate talking head George StephaloaPAULous with those words.

I don’t see anything disparaging to Rush in these remarks. I think Ron Paul is rightly acknowledging that the GOP is no longer representing the values of the conservative voters.

Sure he is. He's disparaging the Repbulicans AND Rush. Doesn't want any Republicans being "confrontational" or "polarizing", saying exactly what a democrat or media hack would say.

If Ru Paul really gave a damn about the party his comments would have been along the lines of 'Rush is right...' and not that 'Rush is devisive' Bullshit. Screw him.

99 posted on 03/02/2009 12:43:25 PM PST by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: mnehrling

I was busy fighting with my post, so I didn’t see #81.

>”philosophy that appeals to good, principled, liberal Democrats and progressives”<

Now that is sad! How can he call himself a conservative?


100 posted on 03/02/2009 12:43:42 PM PST by LRS (Just contracts; just laws; just a constitution...)
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