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The Limbaugh schism
The Week ^ | March 5, 2009 | David Frum

Posted on 03/05/2009 7:15:37 PM PST by yongin

For conservatives, the news of the week was Rush Limbaugh’s speech to the annual CPAC conference in Washington DC. The speech achieved all and more that Rush could have hoped: It was rapturously received by the more than 8,000 conference attendees and broadcast live on Fox News. Better still, White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel, appearing the next morning on CBS’s “Face the Nation,” acclaimed Rush as the “voice, energy, and intellect” of the Republican Party.

So everybody’s happy, right? Well, everybody except Republicans who care about their party’s future electoral chances. As ardently as Rush’s fans adore him, Limbaugh is one of the less popular figures in American public life. He polls especially poorly among two groups whom Republicans must attract in the future: independent voters and women. Independents take a negative view of Limbaugh by a 45-22 margin. As for women … well Rush himself has acknowledged the problem. “Thirty-one point gender gaps don’t come along that often,” he mused on his Feb. 24 program.

Rahm Emanuel knows what he is doing: The more hermetically he and his team can affix Rush’s image to our Republican behinds, the more difficulty we shall have climbing out of the hole we have dug for ourselves.

In a blog post Monday, I pointed out this (not exactly secret) problem. Then I engaged in a rare act of conservative lese-majeste: I actually explained it.

Here’s the duel that Obama and Limbaugh are jointly arranging:

On the one side, the president of the United States: soft-spoken and conciliatory, never angry, always invoking the recession and its victims. This president invokes the language of “responsibility,” and in his own life seems to epitomize that ideal: He is physically honed and disciplined, his worst vice an occasional cigarette. He is at the same time an apparently devoted husband and father. Unsurprisingly, women voters trust and admire him.

And for the leader of the Republicans? A man who is aggressive and bombastic, cutting and sarcastic, who dismisses the concerned citizens in network news focus groups as “losers.” With his private plane and his cigars, his history of drug dependency and his personal bulk, not to mention his tangled marital history, Rush is a walking stereotype of self-indulgence—exactly the image that Barack Obama most wants to affix to our philosophy and our party. And we’re cooperating! Those images of crowds of CPACers cheering Rush’s every rancorous word—we’ll be seeing them rebroadcast for a long time.

Rush knows what he is doing. The worse conservatives do, the more important Rush becomes as leader of the ardent remnant. The better conservatives succeed, the more we become a broad national governing coalition, the more Rush will be sidelined.

But do the rest of us understand what we are doing to ourselves by accepting this leadership? Rush is to the Republicanism of the 2000s what Jesse Jackson was to the Democratic Party in the 1980s. He plays an important role in our coalition, and of course he and his supporters have to be treated with respect. But he cannot be allowed to be the public face of the enterprise—and we have to find ways of assuring the public that he is just one Republican voice among many, and very far from the most important.

Well, that put the cat among the pigeons! The reaction from my conservative friends has been ferocious. Here’s my one-time editor, Rich Lowry of National Review: “I find the attacks on Rush from the right mostly stupid, cringe-inducing, and wrong.” For good measure, he explicitly described my words as “particularly nasty and personal.”

But personal is the one thing this dispute is not. What we are arguing about is the kind of party the GOP will be. Over just the past couple of weeks, Limbaugh has compelled apologies first from a Republican congressman, then from the chairman of the Republican National Committee, for criticizing him. He has extracted tributes praising him as a—if not “the”—leader of the party from the RNC chairman and the governor of Louisiana, Bobby Jindal. Not since the Republican wilderness years of 1993-1994 has Rush held such uncontested sway. But back then, Rush was content to play a supporting part. Now he has assumed—or been conceded—the starring role.

Back in the 1970s, on the eve of the great Republican victories of the 1980s and 1990s, we on the right aspired to displace America’s liberal governing elite with an elite of our own—“a counter-establishment” as journalist Sidney Blumenthal aptly described it. But our last experience of government was a disappointing one to say the least, and the whole problem of government seems to interest us less and less. Increasingly, we are vexed and motivated only by what we call “the culture.” It’s never quite clear what precisely we mean by that: maybe only the sum of all things that annoy conservative-minded people.

We are gradually shrinking from our former ambition—to govern—and taking our pleasure instead in alienation and complaint. Those journalists who cover the conservative world are surprised by how relieved and happy conservatives seem to be about having lost the 2008 election. No more irritating compromises, no more boring policy debates! We can recline into the pure assertion of conservative dogma, a job nobody does better than Rush Limbaugh himself. As Limbaugh told the CPAC crowd: We need no new policy ideas. Conservatism, he said, cannot be reshaped or reformed, and those who suggest otherwise must be “stamped out.” And who knows? That view may prevail among Republicans for some long time to come. But if it does, watch out. Just as the American left retreated from politics into the universities in the 1980s, so—if Rush has his way—will the American right retreat from politics into the airwaves in the 2000s.

For my part, I’ll adopt the justly famous philosophy of that anonymous American soldier who, upon reaching the front line at the Argonne just as the French army was giving way, exclaimed: “Retreat hell! We just got here.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: frum; gop; rncchairman; rush; talkradio
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1 posted on 03/05/2009 7:15:37 PM PST by yongin
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To: yongin

from’s a jerk.


2 posted on 03/05/2009 7:17:40 PM PST by ken21 (the only thing we have to fear is fdr deja vu.)
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To: yongin

I hate him. What a putz.


3 posted on 03/05/2009 7:18:00 PM PST by GoCards
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To: yongin

Frum again? Hasn’t he had enough?


4 posted on 03/05/2009 7:18:01 PM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism, it's the new black.)
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To: yongin

Frum is seeking relevance with the very people who will never win elections for Republicans.


5 posted on 03/05/2009 7:20:08 PM PST by pallis
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To: yongin

Got bitter jealousy?

If you were to say the name “Frum” in a group of, oh, say, 1000 how many would know it?

Say the name “Rush Limbaugh” in a group of, oh, say 3, all would know it.


6 posted on 03/05/2009 7:20:10 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks.)
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To: yongin

David Frum is an ass. He is so in love with 0. Oh, how I despise moderates. Frum thinks he is so self important. What a mental midget!


7 posted on 03/05/2009 7:20:47 PM PST by ABQHispConservative (A Blue Dog Democrat is an oxyMoron!)
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To: yongin

Heard from Rush today that Mark Levin eviscerated Frum last night on his show.


8 posted on 03/05/2009 7:20:51 PM PST by TADSLOS ( Join the Conservative Revolution! http://falconparty.com/)
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To: yongin
Frum is indispensable, every organization need someone worthy and experienced to clean the restrooms.
9 posted on 03/05/2009 7:21:40 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Welcome to the Obama-Democrat Depression.)
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To: yongin

If “Conservative” was synonymous with “Republican” the author would have a point. Alas, he does not.


10 posted on 03/05/2009 7:22:21 PM PST by gitmo (I am the latte-sipping, NYT-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, PC, arrogant liberal. -BO)
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To: yongin
Rush is to the Republicanism of the 2000s what Jesse Jackson was to the Democratic Party in the 1980s.

Frum is a pathetic POS. I hope Rush whacks him tomorrow.

11 posted on 03/05/2009 7:22:29 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: yongin
Frum must be jealous of Rush.

I received a free subscription to the Week magazine years ago and they sent it for free for at least 10 years. I used to laugh about it. Then Margaret Carlson took it over and they stopped sending it. I could care less.

12 posted on 03/05/2009 7:22:31 PM PST by GinaLolaB (=^..^=)
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To: yongin

Why doesn’t Frum take Democrats to task, instead of dumping on his fellow Republicans? This is no time for Republicans to be fighting with each other, and Frum is a tool if he thinks this is helpful in any way to Republicans. Fight with the Democrats, fool, unless you want them to succeed.


13 posted on 03/05/2009 7:23:55 PM PST by popdonnelly (I hope Obama fails.)
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To: TADSLOS

Yep, Levin tore into the schmuck.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2199819/posts
http://marklevinfan.com/?p=4352


14 posted on 03/05/2009 7:24:06 PM PST by 50cal Smokepole (Hey Al Gore! Get your fat carcass over here and shovel all this global warming off my driveway!)
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To: yongin

Hah. Rush has NEVER wanted that “mantle” as the “face” of the Republican Party. He’s a Conservative to the bone, and the further like the Democrat Socialist Party the Republican Party gets, the further away they get from Rush. The RP has just simply been closer to his philosophy than the DP over the years. IF there were a pure Conservative Party, Rush might be more up for that.


15 posted on 03/05/2009 7:24:52 PM PST by Twinkie (Obama is NOT Reagan !)
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To: yongin

Frum is still in his snit because he no longer has a position of influence.

People in Washington have no beliefs. They are only interested in their careers and egos. They will flip in a heartbeat if it will advance their personal fortunes.

Frum, Brooks, Scott McClellan, Christopher Buckley, Colin Powell, Kathleen Parker, Linda Chavez are exaples of spoiled little brats grown old who can’t believe no one listens to them any more.


16 posted on 03/05/2009 7:25:09 PM PST by oldbill
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To: yongin

will david frum just go away .
what an idiot .
even the fox people are mocking him now!


17 posted on 03/05/2009 7:25:20 PM PST by ncalburt (Read all about)
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To: yongin

I guess its all a popularity contest....right David?


18 posted on 03/05/2009 7:25:37 PM PST by woofie
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To: yongin

Frum is the jerk.

There is no schism except from those who fear open debate or from those who are in denial about comrade obama’s communism.

In fact I have set a old line democrat on the limbaugh education program because.......Rush likes cigars and he is sick of hippies attacking his cigar smoking.

A win is a win.


19 posted on 03/05/2009 7:26:14 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: 50cal Smokepole

Thanks for the link. I’m listening to it now.


20 posted on 03/05/2009 7:28:02 PM PST by TADSLOS ( Join the Conservative Revolution! http://falconparty.com/)
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To: yongin

Frum couldn’t find his butt with in the dark with a flashlight and map.


21 posted on 03/05/2009 7:32:15 PM PST by kimoajax (Rack'em & Stack'em)
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To: yongin

Frum’s obviously bummed that T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII is getting more attention from the swells than he is.


22 posted on 03/05/2009 7:35:55 PM PST by Stosh
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To: yongin

Well, Just what are we going to do then?

It seems we are in the same position as the Democrats will be or already are and both parties have been in this delima many times. It seems that when they try to totally appease the left-wing liberals then they aren’t really connecting with the moderate democrats or the Centrist Voter that is needed to win an election.

So just what does this mean? It means that we have to appease the Centrist Voter next election. He is the guy with no direct party and yet still he controls the elections outcome even without a direct representation .

I have stated many times that the Republicans have never won an election and vice versa that the Dims haven’t either without having the Centrist Voter on their side. The Elections are won through the swing voter or the Centrist. Get him and we have another four years, It’s that simple.....................

“Change” was an October Surprise that worked to accomplish this and even tho they lied about it, this was the item of appeasement that it took to pull it off. Don’t y’all remember “It’s The Economy Stupid?” Just who did that appeal too? The Centrist Voter that’s who............


23 posted on 03/05/2009 7:38:24 PM PST by PROSOUTH ( Deo Vindice "God Will Vindicate")
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To: yongin

Rush mentioned that Mark Levin popped this pimple today.


24 posted on 03/05/2009 7:38:41 PM PST by Nateman (Obama, the brain drain poster boy!)
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To: ken21

Well, everybody except RINO’s who care about RINO’s future electoral chances.

Corrections in all caps.


25 posted on 03/05/2009 7:39:54 PM PST by stockpirate (A people unwilling to use violent force to defend liberty deserves the tyrant that rules them SP)
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To: ken21

Well, everybody except RINO’s who care about RINO’s future electoral chances.

Corrections in all caps.


26 posted on 03/05/2009 7:39:58 PM PST by stockpirate (A people unwilling to use violent force to defend liberty deserves the tyrant that rules them SP)
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To: TADSLOS

LOL! That was a great smackdown!


27 posted on 03/05/2009 7:42:18 PM PST by TADSLOS ( Join the Conservative Revolution! http://falconparty.com/)
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To: yongin
Oh, my. Whatever would the party do without the likes of David Frum, David Brooks, Kathleen Parker, Peggy Noonan, and Christopher Buckley? They're the Democrats' favorite Republicans!

Idiots.

28 posted on 03/05/2009 7:43:18 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: yongin

Frum???

please.

The GOP would actually win elections if it listened to Limbaugh. Frum gives us people like McCain and Dole. I guess he thinks those are the kind we need.


29 posted on 03/05/2009 7:48:56 PM PST by GeronL (Will bankrupting America lead to socialism?)
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To: PROSOUTH

McCain was the centrist, Heck, GW Bush was a centrist really. we need conservatives.


30 posted on 03/05/2009 7:51:32 PM PST by GeronL (Will bankrupting America lead to socialism?)
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To: yongin

I see. Let someone be clear, correct, passionate, and confident about ideas and he is to be shunned. Let someone be muddled, uncertain, low key, and apologetic and he is to be held up as an example.

Rush nailed it. Its not a battle of politics or policies, its a battle of philosophies. We need to know why our ideas are correct down to their roots. Feeling they are right and worshiping their long history is a loosing proposition. The Republicans have done that for over a hundred years had have gotten nowhere.

For the past 20 years, the Republicans have been trying to be really good Democrats. In fact they passed policies the Democrats would not have dared to attempt to pass. They did that in the desperate hope that the Democrats would love them. No surprise. The Democrats ate the Republican’s breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Now the Democrats are eating the country.


31 posted on 03/05/2009 7:53:27 PM PST by A. Rational Human (http://arationalhuman.blogspot.com/)
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To: GeronL

“McCain was the centrist, Heck, GW Bush was a centrist really. we need conservatives”

Then just how did we lose? Left-Center-Right, which one swings then?


32 posted on 03/05/2009 7:55:17 PM PST by PROSOUTH ( Deo Vindice "God Will Vindicate")
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To: PROSOUTH

I agree with Prosouth. You have to hold your base AND capture the middle, The middle hates Rush and right now the GOP loses the middle by about 35 points. The GOP will never win national elections with Rush as the face of the party. He is just too controversial...it is not going to happen. The GOP must develop a young, energetic conservative leader/spokesperson. There are several who can fill the bill but Rush is not one of them.


33 posted on 03/05/2009 7:56:12 PM PST by mono
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To: PROSOUTH

Frum is an idiot...Rush was so spot on correct about the “ONE” and his plans that it scared the living fire out of the rats...thus the immediate response on Faceless Nation.


34 posted on 03/05/2009 7:59:34 PM PST by JohnD9207 (Lead...follow...or get the HELL out of the way!)
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To: yongin

Frum called into and was held over on Mark Levin’s show for most of half an hour yesterday. His talk last night was acceptable but his article is so much buddy f$$$ing. We don’t need that kind of internecine abuse.


35 posted on 03/05/2009 8:00:10 PM PST by jimfree (Freep and ye shall find!)
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To: yongin

To apply an old ‘Lone Ranger’ joke...”What you mean ‘WE’, Paleface?!”

Why is Frum using the word ‘we’ with conservatives?


36 posted on 03/05/2009 8:00:59 PM PST by Mr Rogers (Obama - Making Jimmy Carter look like a giant!)
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To: GeronL

Frum’s an idiot — JMHO


37 posted on 03/05/2009 8:01:38 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: yongin

I hope everyone tells Frum what they think of his article.


38 posted on 03/05/2009 8:02:39 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: PROSOUTH

geez, when 95% of America gets their news from the liberal media and ACORN is registering and voting hundred thousand dead people. how else would it go?

Rush Limbaugh did not cost the GOP votes. The GOP does that by itself. Limbaugh is the only reason a lot of McCain voters even showed up.


39 posted on 03/05/2009 8:03:19 PM PST by GeronL (Will bankrupting America lead to socialism?)
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To: yongin
"Rahm Emanuel knows what he is doing: The more hermetically he and his team can affix Rush’s image to our Republican behinds, the more difficulty we shall have climbing out of the hole we have dug for ourselves."

What a crock. If most Republicans would only take their fingers out of their arses and ears, and actually listen to Rush, the Republican party would still be in power today, including the WH and both Houses. It isn't Limbaugh who's destroying the GOP, it's those spineless RINOS like Snow, Collins, Spectre and other faux conservatives who are doing the 'honors' of destroying the GOP. Collins and Snow actually lean so far left their breast implants need to be adjusted every week or so. Sen. Spectre leans so far left that the half of a testicle he possesses leans towards his left trousers pocket, where he can play pocket pool and count his change at the same time.

We are in dire need of strong, courageous and wise political leaders, and men like Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich, Fred Thompson, Michael Savage and Sean Hannity, and women like Laura Ingrahm are a damn good start. There's courage in those people, and they possess a real desire to seek truth, wisdom and character, and apply those attributes to mending and strengthening our nation. They are leaders that really do love America for what she has always stood for, namely, righteousness, truth, hard work, patriotism, Christian morals and values. And most of all the character and integrity to live and do as they say. That's precisely why Barak Obolshevik is expending a lot of his time and energy on trying to bring about their demise through censorship.

40 posted on 03/05/2009 8:05:11 PM PST by rangeryder (If a man says something in the woods, is he still wrong?)
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To: mono

Any up and comer [e.g. Sarah Palin] will be defined before they get out of the chute. Nothing conservative will get the middle until the country hits bottom. Nobody every votes to be responsible until and only as long as they have to. To hell with the middle. That is the fastest way to bring them to Jesus.


41 posted on 03/05/2009 8:09:45 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: popdonnelly
"Why doesn’t Frum take Democrats to task, instead of dumping on his fellow Republicans?"

Because it's easy to target those who are already the favorite targets of the media, and he wants to be liked. It's sort of like kicking a man when he's down, (or perceived to be down politically). This guy is a coward through and through.

42 posted on 03/05/2009 8:09:51 PM PST by rangeryder (If a man says something in the woods, is he still wrong?)
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To: rangeryder

If you visit David Frum’s website, Newmajority, the posters over there say conservatives need to be more like Arlen Specter and kiss up to the Messiah. Not much difference between Frum’s site and Daily Kos.


43 posted on 03/05/2009 8:16:55 PM PST by yongin
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To: GeronL

geez, when 95% of America gets their news from the liberal media and ACORN is registering and voting hundred thousand dead people. how else would it go?

I understand, but we can only win if we garner the moderate centrist voter or we can write off another one. What do you propose then to address the situation?


44 posted on 03/05/2009 8:17:30 PM PST by PROSOUTH ( Deo Vindice "God Will Vindicate")
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To: jimfree

Frum = the voice of the “New Castrati”


45 posted on 03/05/2009 8:23:47 PM PST by Belle22
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To: yongin
"...For my part, I’ll adopt the justly famous philosophy of that anonymous American soldier who, upon reaching the front line at the Argonne just as the French army was giving way, exclaimed: “Retreat hell! We just got here.”

Any Marine can tell you it wasn't an "anonymous American soldier ", and this lax LD obviously can't be relied upon to do elementary research or understand simple concepts such as "conservative".

From wikipedia..

Lloyd W. Williams (Jun. 5, 1887 - June 12, 1918) was an officer in the United States Marine Corps who served and died in World War I.

A famous saying is attributed to Captain Williams, who was serving as a company commander in the 5th Marines. When advised to withdraw by a French officer at the defensive line just north of the village of Lucy-le-Bocage on June 1, 1918, he is said to have replied: "Retreat? Hell, we just got here!"[1] Captain Williams would not survive the ensuing battle, and was posthumously promoted to major and awarded the Distinguished Service Cross.

A member of the Virginia Polytechnic Institute class of 1907, Major Williams Hall was named in his memory in 1957. He is also considered to be the first known person from Virginia to die in the First World War.

46 posted on 03/05/2009 8:24:41 PM PST by opbuzz (Right way, wrong way, Marine way)
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To: Belle22

Frum is certainly one of the castrati Belle.


47 posted on 03/05/2009 8:30:49 PM PST by jimfree (Freep and ye shall find!)
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To: rangeryder

It is SNOWE and SPECTER
Get details right and you might may sense


48 posted on 03/05/2009 8:33:28 PM PST by Seajay (Ordem e Progresso)
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To: JohnD9207

Exactly. The dems are petrified that people will figure out Obama by listening to Rush. Why else would they so desparately try to bring him down. It’s a joke. They are quaking in their boots. I believe that most of the dems know Rush is right too.


49 posted on 03/05/2009 8:34:36 PM PST by dandiegirl
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To: yongin

frum

Frum

FrUm

FrU

FU


50 posted on 03/05/2009 8:37:07 PM PST by Entrepreneur (The environmental movement is filled with watermelons - green on the outside, red on the inside)
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