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Will the United States Abandon Israel?
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Posted on 03/06/2009 12:06:54 AM PST by Iam1ru1-2

Writers and speakers such as Lance Lambert, and a few others, have been reminding us for some time that eventually Israel will be separated from her long-time best friend and benefactor, the United States. When we heard such words, most of us agreed that it would happen sooner or later, but did not think it would be soon. Now, however, there are some indications that under the new US government it could happen more quickly than any of us thought.

There are numerous indications that President Obama wants to warm up to the Arabs in general, and the terrorist-sponsoring ones in particular. This is demonstrated, for example, in his willingness to talk to Hamas and Syria, and even Iran (though strictly speaking, the Iranians are not ethnically Arabs). All of this is “part and parcel of his apparent belief that the principal reason that the Arab and Islamic worlds are hostile toward the US is because the US supports Israel” (Carolyn Glick, JPost, February 23). And therein lies the danger. Clearly, the Obama government wants to improve relations with the Arab world. If the President sees Israel as the main roadblock to that goal, it is believed that he will either try to manipulate Israel to his own ends, or, if Israel proves intransigent, eventually abandon her.

John Kerry’s visit to Syria and Secretary of State Clinton’s planned participation in a conference in Egypt to raise money for Hamas-controlled Gaza are strong indications of the direction the new US government wants to go. But perhaps one of the clearest signals of that direction is the planned appointment of former US ambassador to Saudi Arabia Charles W. Freeman, Jr., as director of the National Intelligence Council. Freeman is known for his strong antipathy toward Israel. In numerous public statements he has placed most of the blame for Arab and Islamic hostility toward the US on Israel, and he has argued that the US’s problems with the Arabs will disappear the minute the US abandons Israel.

In one such statement in 2007, Freeman, who praises Hamas for being "democratically elected," said, "Those in the region and beyond it who detest Israeli behavior, which is to say almost everyone, now naturally extend their loathing to Americans. This has had the effect of universalizing anti-Americanism, legitimizing radical Islamism, and gaining Iran a foothold among Sunni as well as Shiite Arabs" (JPost, February 23).

By defending itself against its Arab enemies, Freeman argues that Israel has earned their wrathful retaliation! This, he contends, also places Americans in danger. "Such retaliation—whatever form it takes—will have the support or at least the sympathy of most people in the region and many outside it. This makes the long-term escalation of terrorism against the United States a certainty, not a matter of conjecture" (JPost Feb 23).

So Freeman, whom Obama may appoint to a high government post, wants to abandon Israel—not that he alone can actually bring this about. But he will be highly influential if he is appointed director of the National Intelligence Council.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel
KEYWORDS: antisemitism; bho44; bhomiddleeast; charlesfreeman; islam; israel

1 posted on 03/06/2009 12:06:54 AM PST by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Iam1ru1-2
Will the United States Abandon Israel?

With Obama as POTUS that is the big question among others. 

2 posted on 03/06/2009 12:14:11 AM PST by valkyry1
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To: Iam1ru1-2

I doubt if he does anything radical anytime soon on Israel with all the other stuff he is trying.


3 posted on 03/06/2009 12:21:57 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Iam1ru1-2

When and if he does, it will be right on schedule with God’s timetable. Not a minute sooner (or later)

Personally, I think that is where we are headed and is why this guy is in office at this time... JMO


4 posted on 03/06/2009 12:32:28 AM PST by Anti-Hillary (Yo Barry, IF FOR 20 YEARS YOU STAY IN THE PEW, IT'S BECAUSE YOU SHARE THE VIEW!!!!!)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Obama’s commitment to Israel is only as strong as Rahm Emanuel’s ability to blackmail him.


5 posted on 03/06/2009 12:32:31 AM PST by Obamageddon (Birth certificate and college transcripts will be required for Federal employment, Mr. Soetero)
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To: Obamageddon

Personally, I don’t see RE in this configuration.
Hilary seems to have an agenda that is unfolding, and quite frankly, I’m NOT PLEASED.
We shall see in the coming days.


6 posted on 03/06/2009 12:47:32 AM PST by MissDairyGoodnessVT (Off Hunting--- for the COLB)
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To: Anti-Hillary

Take America the way it was on September 1st, 2008. or even now. take it with all of its problems. but love it it, keep it in your heart. and never let go of it.

because it will never be this way again. We will never have the power that we have had since WW2 ever again.


7 posted on 03/06/2009 12:50:39 AM PST by se_ohio_young_conservative (Jesus Christ is the answer. He loves you more than you could ever imagine.)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Americans will not...Then again, Americans don’t control the Oval Office...


8 posted on 03/06/2009 1:12:36 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Iam1ru1-2
Will the United States Abandon Israel?

LOL! The US is being run by a Kenyan named Hussein. Whaddau think?

9 posted on 03/06/2009 1:45:35 AM PST by bill1952 (Power is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: MissDairyGoodnessVT

You may be right - remember, they’re Clintons - for sale to the highest bidders.


10 posted on 03/06/2009 1:48:28 AM PST by Obamageddon (Birth certificate and college transcripts will be required for Federal employment, Mr. Soetero)
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To: MissDairyGoodnessVT

You may be right - remember, they’re Clintons - for sale to the highest bidders.


11 posted on 03/06/2009 1:49:06 AM PST by Obamageddon (Birth certificate and college transcripts will be required for Federal employment, Mr. Soetero)
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To: valkyry1

“Will?”

I already think it’s a done deal.


12 posted on 03/06/2009 2:48:08 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: Iam1ru1-2

abandon? Never.
Pres_ _ent Obama will merely help, using taxpayer money and American weapons and forces, Israeli enemies.


13 posted on 03/06/2009 3:42:52 AM PST by Diogenesis ("All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological personalities." - Mission)
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To: Caipirabob

I support Israel. But if American Jewry overwhelmingly supports BHO, who am I to object to what BHO does to Israel?


14 posted on 03/06/2009 3:48:47 AM PST by mike-zed
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To: Iam1ru1-2

The “Iran Lobby” Moves Into The White House http://www.mererhetoric.com/archives/11275490.html


15 posted on 03/06/2009 3:55:15 AM PST by anglian
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To: mike-zed

I agree. The support of American Jews for BHO was about as suicidal and stupid an act as I’ve ever seen. The only way I can rationally explain it is mass delusion.


16 posted on 03/06/2009 3:56:23 AM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: SJackson; Alouette; Salem; SunkenCiv; F15Eagle; American in Israel; M. Espinola; 444Flyer; ...

Ping!


17 posted on 03/06/2009 4:14:04 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies - C.S. Lewis)
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To: Diogenesis

It will. It has. The $900M just committed to Hamas by PIAPS is just the first installment. More $ will follow, as she works to undermine the new PM and Israel both politically and financially.


18 posted on 03/06/2009 4:23:35 AM PST by NHResident
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To: NHResident

I apologize for leaving the [/sarcasm] off.
There is NO doubt that Obama will help ALL of America’s enemies.


19 posted on 03/06/2009 4:31:53 AM PST by Diogenesis ("All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological personalities." - Mission)
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To: Iam1ru1-2
First check to see for who the majority of the US Jewish population voted. Then, support for Israel is inversely related. Obama will leave Israel like a red headed step child at the steps of an orphanage.
20 posted on 03/06/2009 4:51:28 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: MissDairyGoodnessVT

Just keep remembering Mrs. Clinton hugging and kissing Mrs. Arafat.
Yassar was the most frequent visitor to the White House during the Clinton administration.


21 posted on 03/06/2009 5:11:38 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Joe Boucher

boy oh boy, do I remember that , and @that time I wasn’t even a drop of dream of having a political opinion(was a latent conservative then) I DISTINCTLY remember that photo opp , too.
Soooooooooo, what’s Suha been up to these days? spending her life & money in French under the covers society? lol


22 posted on 03/06/2009 5:15:27 AM PST by MissDairyGoodnessVT (Off Hunting--- for the COLB)
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To: MissDairyGoodnessVT

I seem to remember she has about a billion of international aid her late husband salted away.
Course she wouldn’t want to give that back to the palestinian people now would she>


23 posted on 03/06/2009 5:17:45 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Joe Boucher

she didn’t seem to have any feeling for the old boy when he was on his deathbed either, she was busy somewhere in Paris.
Well, that’s ok, ‘it’s better she keep her money & spend it on herself rather than plush the purses of terrorists.


24 posted on 03/06/2009 5:25:53 AM PST by MissDairyGoodnessVT (Off Hunting--- for the COLB)
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25 posted on 03/06/2009 5:32:26 AM PST by SJackson (a tax cut is non-targeted…no guarantee…they’re free to invest anywhere that they want, J Kerry)
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To: Convert from ECUSA; AdmSmith; Berosus; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...
Thanks C from E.
Clearly, the Obama government wants to improve relations with the Arab world. If the President sees Israel as the main roadblock to that goal, it is believed that he will either try to manipulate Israel to his own ends, or, if Israel proves intransigent, eventually abandon her.
That's not a change over US policy for the past 35 years or so, since the 1973 war. The elder Bush screwed Israel over loan guarantees (promising to support it if Israel would sit back and just take it when Saddam was shooting rockets into Israeli territory during the Gulf War) and the dominant theme during the Reagan administration wasn't exactly pro-Israel all the time. Clinton coddled terrorists in the former Yugoslavia, passed up at least one chance to nab bin Laden, and basically just rolled over and rolled us over as well.

By contrast Nixon distinguished himself with the Operation Nickel Grass airlift -- "send everything that will fly." Nixon, Ford, and Carter presided over the rapproachement between Sadat and Begin after that war, with the Jew-hating incompetent anti-American POS Carter getting the credit and a Nobel Prize. The younger Bush administration insisted on a couple of fixed frameworks, but the fact is, compromise doesn't work with Muzzies; however, the liberation of Iraq has stuck a great big cork in the ass of Islamofascism and in the otherwise universal despotism that characterizes the non-Israeli Middle East, and has isolated the Saudis from Iran and from Iraq. Idiobama is going to screw that up, bigtime, even though, ultimately, US foreign policy goals remain on a long-term trend of keeping our enemies divided.
26 posted on 03/06/2009 6:28:33 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/charlesfreeman/index

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2198016/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2198936/posts

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/19511.html

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/rubin/56712

http://www.saudi-us-relations.org/articles/2008/interviews/081008-freeman-interview.html

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_spine/archive/2009/02/25/chas-freeman-is-bigoted-and-out-of-touch.aspx

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_spine/archive/2009/03/01/the-realist-ideologue-at-the-nic.aspx

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/02/its_official_saudi_puppet_to_h_1.asp


27 posted on 03/06/2009 6:33:10 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Convert from ECUSA

Probably will. ALL nations come against Jerusalem in the last days. Of course, the Worthless Shepherd is the one in charge, for a season, at that time.


28 posted on 03/06/2009 6:55:54 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: SJackson

My reading of Scripture indicates that the USA WILL abandon Israel.

Partly because the USA is also being made an object lesson—that even the best form of

GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE AND BY THE PEOPLE

when it abandons God, turns evil.

But mostly, the USA must abandon Israel because GOD ALMIGHTY IS DETERMINED TO BE ISRAEL’S TOTAL AND ONLY SAVIOR IN EVERY RESPECT.

Just my opinion. God can do things any number of ways.


29 posted on 03/06/2009 6:59:53 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: SJackson

The REAL suffering of the USA will begin when we more overtly abandon Israel, imho.


30 posted on 03/06/2009 7:00:27 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Convert from ECUSA; ex-Texan
"Will the United States Abandon Israel?"

With Obama and Hillary controlling U.S. foreign policy, it's a sure bet a sell out is in the works, also considering those two hate the fact Bibi & the Likud won the Israeli elections.

When Israel is vindictively sold out America will pay dearly as a nation.

31 posted on 03/06/2009 4:31:39 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is not 'free'.)
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To: mike-zed

Good point.


32 posted on 03/06/2009 8:02:27 PM PST by TheFourthMagi
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To: Anti-Hillary

Many things happen in the world that are not a part of any divine plan.


33 posted on 03/06/2009 8:03:00 PM PST by TheFourthMagi
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To: Anti-Bubba182
I doubt if he does anything radical anytime soon on Israel with all the other stuff he is trying.

My take is that the North Koreans and the ragheads are just waiting another month to make it respectable before going whole hog.

HUSSEIN CANNOT rally the armed forces to die for him ANYWHERE

34 posted on 03/06/2009 8:07:22 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: TheFourthMagi

could NOT disagree more. ALL things are under God’s ultimate plan. Nothing that happens is unknown to God in advance and it ALL winds it’s way to His end.


35 posted on 03/07/2009 10:19:38 AM PST by Anti-Hillary (Yo Barry, IF FOR 20 YEARS YOU STAY IN THE PEW, IT'S BECAUSE YOU SHARE THE VIEW!!!!!)
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To: Anti-Hillary

You describe a universe of puppets on strings.

That belies the concept of freewill.


36 posted on 03/07/2009 2:28:51 PM PST by TheFourthMagi
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To: Diogenesis
I need to tell Michelle Obama that I have never been so sad about America, as I have been since Obama came into office. My ancestors have been in the USA since the 1600’s, and I feel that Obama is not mentally an American, even though I do not really know where he was born or his real name. So many of my family have fought and died for this country, when we are not even told his real name, and all of his background, He is too sneaky and untruthful to hold any office here.
37 posted on 03/17/2009 1:25:07 PM PDT by tessalu
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