Skip to comments.[BATF] Agent details arms cache (machineguns and M203/M79) found in home of doctor.
Posted on 03/10/2009 7:44:40 AM PDT by DCBryan1
Agent details arms cache found in home of doctor
BY LINDA SATTER ARKANSAS DEMOCRAT-GAZETTE
Along with 98 live grenades and 110 machine guns, federal agents found $50,000 in cash, 500,000 rounds of ammunition and a gun-concealing briefcase with a trigger built into the handle [A $5 registered AOW-emphisis mine] during a search last week of the Pope County home of Dr. Randeep Mann, a federal agent testified Monday.
David Oliver of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives testified at a detention hearing for Mann that continues today. U.S. Magistrate Judge H. David Young will decide whether Mann should remain in custody.
Oliver also revealed that Mann is the subject of an ongoing investigation by the state Medical Board into whether he has bought controlled substances, including morphine, over the Internet and then sold them to patients, despite voluntarily surrendering his permit to prescribe such medications in 2006 to stop the board from revoking his medical license.
Oliver testified that in a letter to the board, Mann complained that the agreement has caused other states to deny him a license, and that it limits his income by keeping him from working in hospitals and participating in thirdparty insurance programs.
The agent said Mann implied in the letter that he was being targeted for sanctions because of his Indian nationality, writing, Although it may sound a little ridiculous in 2008, my troubles started after Sept. 11, 2001.
Mann, 50, has appeared before the board at least three times in the past five years, accused of prescribing large doses of narcotics such as methadone and Oxycontin to patients who had histories of drug abuse. He has twice seen his authority to prescribe scheduled medications revoked.
A wrongful-death lawsuit in which Mann is accused of being responsible for the deaths of patients who died of overdoses is scheduled for trial in Pope County on March 23.
The federal bureau has said that Manns arrest last week at his home in London, in southwestern Pope County, isnt related to an ongoing investigation into a Feb. 4 car bombing that seriously wounded Dr. Trent Pierce, the board chairman. Pierce lost an eye and suffered burns on his face and body; he remains hospitalized in Memphis.
Manns arrest on a federal complaint charging him with possessing unregistered firearms stemmed from a search warrant executed last week at his home, located about half a mile from a nuclear power plant [Arkansas Nuclear One in Russellville, AR].
The state warrant was issued a day after water meter readers for the city of London went into a wooded area near the home to urinate and tripped over a partially buried military container wrapped in duct tape and plastic.
Inside the container, Oliver said, were 98 live grenades and one practice grenade, all designed to be fired from a gun and considered instruments of war with no social purpose.
[located 900 feet from Doctor's home off of his property]
Five similar canisters and 45 practice grenades were found inside a garage at Manns home, while two grenade launchers were found in a safe in the basement.
[Both the M203 and M79 were probably "Form 1" guns that he legally built and registered with the $200.00 tax, with ATF approval].
Oliver acknowledged that as a licensed federal firearms dealer, Mann legally possessed most of the machine guns found throughout the house. But of 17 guns whose registration couldnt quickly be verified,[in other words, ATF's paperwork is F**ked up, as usual], Oliver said agents have so far determined that three were not registered at all and a fourth was registered to someone in Connecticut.
[COMMON PLACE when someone is an FFL! They transfer to individuals by a Form 4, Cops/Military by a Form 10, and dealers with a Form 3!].
Also found at the house were several loaded pistols, and boxes of new rifles and gun parts, Oliver said
[Sounds like every house in Arkansas].
He testified that Manns father, Col. Kuldip Singh Mann, was once in the Indian military and is an international arms dealer. Oliver said that federal databases show numerous border crossings by Randeep Mann and various family members using his address in the past few years. The databases show 121 border crossings, or 60 trips, for Randeep Mann in the last two years, and 325 crossings for his father. Oliver said he didnt know which countries were visited by the men.
[If I was a doctor, I'd travel alot also, esp. to my home country].
Inside Manns home, Oliver said agents found three boxes containing 750 tablets each of a generic form of Xanax. Xanax is one of the medicines that are the subject of the Medical Boards investigation of Mann, Oliver said. He said the generic Xanax, as well as anabolic steroids also found in the house, were both manufactured in India.
[He is a doctor! Hell, my family has doctors that probably has sales samples, and aren't most medicines made outside of US anyways?]
Oliver also testified that according to the Arkansas State Police, someone reported seeing C-4, a controlled military explosive, at Manns house, although Oliver said none was found during the search. Defense attorney Blake Hendrix questioned whether the tip came from a credible source.
[LOL...ATF paid informants sound good when the warrant is signed, but in court, they never show up].
During Manns arraignment last week in Youngs Little Rock courtroom, another agent saw Mann turn toward the gallery and give his wife a menacing stare while making a throat- slashing motion, which the agent took as a warning that she shouldnt talk, Oliver testified.
[BATF=Bad Attitudes Towards Freedom, especially when you practice the right to remain silent].
Asked whether additional charges are anticipated against Mann, the agent replied, Absolutely.
Young also heard testimony on Monday from Bobbi Spradlin, an IRS investigator, who said the agency is investigating a report that Mann has moved some of his money and assets into overseas accounts to protect them from the pending lawsuit.
The state police confiscated Randeep Manns concealed-handgun permit, spokesman Bill Sadler told The Associated Press. Sadler said that the license will be suspended until Mann is convicted or acquitted of the charges against him.
I have alot more problems with a recently-released felon with a box-cutter, or a radical Muslim with a knife, than I do a doctor with a nice collection of transferable machineguns.
Methinks that the grenades (if they can PROVE they were his (by fingerprints, etc), are gonna send him away for a few years unless his FFL is Type 10, or he has a Destructive Device license.
I say put me and some bang_list members on that jury!
They raided a licensed federal firearms dealer and found -- guns!
“500,000 rounds of ammunition”
Okay thats when I would say I have “enough” ammo for my personal use...
Sonds like a bad Mann to me.
What good is an M203/M79 without some 40 mm rounds?
Is the launcher an arm? If so then he has the right to keep and bear it.
SoUnds like a bad Mann to me.
The medical business is getting tough.
Remember our recent discussion?
This may be a thread worth watching.
You already know my prediction.
Granades are great for hunting herdss of wild deer or boars.
You fire into the middle of the herd and kill several at one time.
500,000 rounds of ammunition
Okay thats when I would say I have enough ammo for my personal use...
That inventory would give you just over an hour-long burst from a minigun
.Some firearms dealers actually stock in inventory of ammo!
“Inside the container, Oliver said, were 98 live grenades and one practice grenade, all designed to be fired from a gun and considered instruments of war with no social purpose.
Weapons have a great “social” purpose.
The big problem here is that I don’t believe a single word spoken by an agent of the BATFAG.
This story is easily dismissed as full of lies, because the reporter used the testimony of a BATF official.
Anyone who think the BATF is anything other than an out of control government agency is seriously deluded.
You never know when you will need a blooker for something
WACO II. Legal inventory raided with no good reason.
Still, the good doctor hasn’t been shot and his house hasn’t been burnt down. America’s socialism-compliance forces have obviously mellowed.
kinda like dropping a bug zapper in a lake to go fishing - doh!
Yes, kinds like that. I also dream of hunting with an AK on full auto.........
Of all the things they seized, what is the evidence proving guilt in each case? Is possession of cash a crime? Can they prove he obtained it illegally? Even if he were a “felon in possession of a firearm,” on what basis can they take his cash?
"This guy is a dangerous FOREIGNER"
"He likes guns...therefore BAD".
"His dad was an Indian arms dealer, and the apple doesn't fall far from the tree"
"Oh lookie here, grenades just off of his property, they must be his since the records show he owns a registered grenade launcher" (NOTE TO JURY: CHECK THE RECORDS OF 98 MISSING GRENADES WITH SERIAL NUMBERS PRIOR TO APRIL 1994 MISSING FROM TEXAS NATIONAL GUARD ON LOAN TO ATF)
"This guy travels too much"
"This guy is obvious dangerous since he told his wife to be quiet, I mean, why be silent, even if you have the right to do so if you have nothing to hide"
"Our NFA database is all F**ked up, therefore, even if you DO have the right paperwork, if it ain't in DC, it ain't registered!"
Anyone else see this case as mad mojo for legal FFLs and citizens? Honestly looks like a set up or fishing expedition to me.
Come on man.
You’re from Texas.
If you are on the border and have a ranch, that 500,000 round figure would be low compared to what may be necessary..
Hmmm lets see. His problems started after 9/11.
He lives 1/2 mile from a nuclear plant.
His father is an officer in the Indian Army who has crossed the border hundreds of times. He has Federal Firearms licenses to possess the firearms, so what is the uncertainty?
All sounds like circumstantial evidence.
Beware of meter readers pissing deep in the woods.
How does the BATF have anything to do with prescription drug investigations, which appears to be the initial complaint against a DOCTOR?
So whats the REAL story behind the raid? A tip from his wife?
REAL Story is the attempted murder of a Doctor sitting on the medical license suspension board in West Memphis by an explosive device in February.
Since the Po-Po has no leads in the case, and at the risk of looking incompetent, Po-Po has to go on a fishing expedition IMHO.
The Arkansas Police got a record from ATF for every one in the state with a registered destructive device and probably visited every one of them.
BINGO...a DOCTOR who has a registered grenade launcheer, been in trouble with the medical board......
......QUICK....TELL ATF TO GET THOSE 'BORROWED' M406 Rounds from the WACO "mistake" to bury them next to his property!
The doc has some problems, but I have NO problem with his
Stupid people don't know that only doctors, lawyers and wealth individuals can have access to such Constitutionally protected "tyranny protection devices".
Thanks Joe...was about to ping you and the posse;)
No other precipitating crime. No victim other than an unConstitutional law itself.
Alke Seltzer and 2-liter soda bottles could be considered "grenades" by the BATFE. As are practice grenades, smoke bombs, etc... Just because the BATFE tells a reporter "grenade", doesn't mean the po-bucker in question was running around with a backpack full of M67's.
Some investors think ammo is the new gold.
I'm surprised that ATF hasn't raided every gunowner that owns a pillow.
I mean, according to ATF rules and Title I GCA law, you MUST register any item that will reduce the report decibel level of a firearm by -4db.
That means the pillow that you sleep on at night should have a $200.00 Form 4 Application for Tax Transfer stamp on in.
Oh crap!....Did I just give Eric Holder an income-creating idea?????!!!!!
They’ll get around to the rest of us soon enough. They are taking out the “low hanging fruit” right now. FFL holder, active C&R collectors, and anyone else they can pick off the top of the pile.
This should be required viewing by any gun owner - The Gang
(NOTE TO JURY: CHECK THE RECORDS OF 98 MISSING GRENADES WITH SERIAL NUMBERS PRIOR TO APRIL 1994 MISSING FROM TEXAS NATIONAL GUARD ON LOAN TO ATF)
This is true but I live in urban Galleria in Houston. So I just “need” my personal stash for CQB.
Now that you mention it maybe I should own up and get some more...
It is a great investment.
Every gun article is written by some ditz reporterette (I swear its a union rule). So I don't believe a word as every scary looking rifle is an AK-47. Every handgun will have a 'High Capacity' clip (arrrrgh!). And the 'bad guy' will have enough ammunition to overthrow Botswana.
I've even seen this on FoxNews. One of the afternoon info babes reported a rifle in a crime as an 'AK-47', it was actually a shotgun. This 'AK-47 error' kept being reported, even after the LEO in charge gave a live interview on FOX, stating it was a shotgun used.
These reporterettes should stick to stuff they know, like Dress Fashions, Shoes and Cake Recipes.
You’re right. Those launchers only work with 40mm grenades, not the rifle grenades mentioned. The may have been some of the 37mm launchers that are built to fire only pratice and smoke rounds...
The ATF is a UN-Constitutional gang of thugs! It is the STATES under the 10th & 9th Amendment that protect the citizens liberties! The 2nd Amendment was placed in the Bill of Rights to protect and defend us against THIS Government..Who are they to tell us what Arms we can use in the defense of liberty?
Happiness is a warm hand grenade.
Nor do I see thousands of Patriots running to his aid.
I was an engineer for Texas Instruments in Cypress N.W. Houston.
I felt it always good to have a weapon near by even there.
Henry Bowman is watching, and all of them are getting the hogs ready;)
Q: How do you know when an BATF agent is lying?
A: His lips move!
Note the plural - water meter readers - went into the wooded area to urinate. Sounds suspicious to me. Did they hold each other's 'units' while doing so? How far into the 'woods' did they trespass? Did they have a permit for tandem urinating? So many unanswered questions, so little information...
Yes, kinds like that. I also dream of hunting with an AK on full auto.........
Perhaps you were being flip, but you’re using the words of the gun-grabbers to a T.
a golf ball is about 40mm, could you use it for a driver? :)
“This guys weapons didn’t do squat to defend him from unConstitutional government.
Nor do I see thousands of Patriots running to his aid.”
Sad but true!!
The States are corrupted by money & Most Americans have become fearful of THEIR Government! They say the Federal Constitution is Supreme & it best that of the States..Then I ask who’s to stop them when they operate like Stalinist? The Bill of Rights was to place chains on this beast of a Federal Government..That whole Supreme clause has been used to turn us into Slaves..Nothing more
Let me get this right:
The doctor is definately an intelligent man.
He likes firearms, and procured an FFL.
He paid for the FFL and proper Form 4 paperwork for the transferable machineguns...
...He form 1'd the Grenade Launchers and paid the applicable tax on them.
He legally owns ammuntion and practice grenades.
BUT HE IS DUMB ENOUGH TO HALF-ASS BURY HIGH EXPLOSIVES NEXT TO HIS HOUSE WHERE SOME JOE CAN TRIP OVER IT???!!!!
IMMEDIATELY AFTER A STATE POLICE INSPECTION OF HIS INVENTORY BY A "METER READER" TAKING LEAK?!
I CALL BULLSHIT! This smells like a setup.
Anyone dumb enough to skirt the grey area of NFA violations would WELL distance themselves from such a charge. If I owned an M203 and wanted to stash HE, I would do it MILES, if not a couple of counties away from me. NOT NEXT to all of my worldly possessions.
/art bell rant off.
The BATFE should not exist. What part of the 2nd amendment is so hard for people to comprehend?