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To: Tailgunner Joe; SwinneySwitch
I posted the following to another thread earlier today (  I may keep posting it to related threads until either the Mods stop me, or preferably, when my concerns start delivering reliable answers.  I hope the Mods will indulge my concerns as answers may help bring the Mexican drug cartel violence in this nation to a heightened sense of urgency.


I've a serious problem with this report and all news stories regarding the Mexican drug cartels. They all conclude that the drug trafficking is a cross-border operation. I disagree, but have absolutely no facts, only conjecture to support my position.

Yes, there is a tremendous amount of cross-border drug traffic. I don't believe it is limited to that though.

The Central California is among the most prolific areas of production for methamphetamine in the valley areas and marijuana farming in the Sierra Mountains. Daily, the local news reports include stories of murder involving illegal aliens, drug busts, and gang activities. I strongly believe much of this activity is controlled by the cartels headquartered in Mexico. If my hunch is correct, we're no longer speaking of only a cross-border drug trafficking problem.

Comments anyone? Does anyone know of any news service that could do an investigative report on this hunch to see if it has merit?

Also, I've heard years of whining from Mexican authorities that it is the drug appetite of Americans fueling the drug trade. Those Mexican authorities and the news media may find this difficult to believe, but many of the illegal aliens from Mexico now in this country are the very ones buying the drugs brought in from Mexico. It shouldn't surprise anyone to learn that these illegal aliens not only had outright contempt for our immigration laws. They have great contempt for our drug laws too.

4 posted on 03/11/2009 11:57:46 AM PDT by backtothestreets
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To: backtothestreets
We know that Mexican drug trafficking organizations (DTOs) produce drugs here. That is no secret. You can look at materials put out by the DEA and other various governmental entities going back many years and see where they are talking about meth “superlabs” in Western states run buy Mexican DTOs, and large scale marijuana growing operations.

Some of these organizations doing these things up here are taking orders directly from cartel leaders back in Mexico. Many are smaller organizations based here.

There are huge amounts of drugs coming from Mexico though. IN the USDOJ’s 2009 National Drug Threat Assessment they estimate that 15,500 metric tons of marijuana were produced in Mexico in 2007 and most of it came here. The government estimates that about 90% of the cocaine coming into this country is coming through Mexico and being supplied by Mexican cartels. They estimate that better than 80% of the meth and heroin consumed in this country is coming from Mexican drug cartels. The heroin is all being produced in Mexico or is being purchased from countries below Mexico by Mexican cartels and then smuggled into this country. Most of the meth is being produced in Mexico and some is being produced here by Mexicans.

Marijuana is their biggest money maker. Our drug czar, John Walters said marijuana is the “bread and butter,” “the center of gravity,” for Mexican drug cartels. The ONDCP estimates that roughly 62% of the cartels’ gross proceeds from drugs bound for the U.S. come from marijuana. About 28% of their gross proceeds come from cocaine bound for the U.S., but they are only the middlemen for cocaine which must first be purchased and snuggled into Mexico before it is smuggled into this country.

And on the question of whether illegal aliens are using most of the drugs the Mexican DTOs bring in, that just isn't possible. There aren't nearly enough illegal aliens to use all the drugs being brought in for one thing. Also, government statistics show that people who are not Hispanic or Latino are more likely to use drugs than Hispanics. According to the 2007 National Survey on Drug Use and Health 8.2% of non Hispanics 12 and older are current illicit drug users compared to 6.6% of Hispanic or Latino people in this country. According to that survey there were about 17.6 million non-Hispanic people who used illicit drugs in the month preceding the survey compared to about 2.26 million Hispanics. And of course most of the Hispanics surveyed were probably either citizens or legal permanent residents, but they survey a random sampling of all households whether the people in the households are legally here or not. Illegals may very well be using drugs more than Hispanics here legally, but they could only be using a small amount of the total amount of drugs being smuggled in or produced here by Mexican DTOs.

See Table 1.19A for the number of people estimated to have used drugs broken down by demographics and Table 1.19B for per capita percentages of drug users broken down by demographics:

5 posted on 03/11/2009 12:59:24 PM PDT by TKDietz
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