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Scalia: You need 4 votes for Obama eligibility case
WND ^ | 3-10-09 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 03/10/2009 6:35:13 PM PDT by hope

A lawyer lobbying the U.S. Justice Department and the U.S. Supreme Court for a review of Barack Obama's qualifications to be president says a key conservative justice has hinted that another conservative justice has been voting against hearing the dispute. According to Orly Taitz, a California attorney working through her Defend Our Freedoms Foundation on several cases challenging Obama, said she was presented with an opportunity to ask a question of Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia yesterday. The issue of Obama's eligibility has been raised before the Supreme Court at least four times already but has yet to be given a single hearing. Cases have been brought by Taitz, Philip Berg, Cort Wrotnowski and Leo Donofrio.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: barackobama; berg; bho2008; bho2009; bho44; birthcertificate; british; certifigate; citizen; citizenship; colb; constitution; corruption; coverup; democrats; democratscandals; donofrio; eligibility; hawaii; impeachobama; ineligible; kennedy; kenya; naturalborn; naturalborncitizen; obama; obamanoncitizenissue; obamatruthfile; orly; orlytaitz; scalia; scotus; taitz; wrotnowski
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To: hope

I think that SCOTUS would rule, if they ever took the case, that they lack jurisdiction as POTUS qualifications under the Constitution are a “political question.” That’s the kind of issue that the Constitution gives over wholly to other branches of government. There was a famous case in the 1960s that I recall from law school where a group of draftees argued that the draft was unconstitutional since it constituted “involutary servitude.” SCOTUS refused to take the case since the war powers were given over to Congress and POTUS.

I think it’s not a bad argument. Let’s say that it can be proved that Barry was born in Kenya. Why is it up to SCOTUS now to do anything about it? Elections are to be run by federal, state and local officials. There were plenty of opportunities to file a complaint in all 50 states and with the Feds. It seems to me that SCOTUS could rule here that it’s really not up to them to decide the issue.


51 posted on 03/10/2009 7:40:30 PM PDT by Erskine Childers
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To: txhurl
What congressmen say about eligibility
52 posted on 03/10/2009 7:41:31 PM PDT by hope (One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: MHGinTN

I had to find out what “n00b” actually meant. It apparently just means newbie. I apologize for getting defensive in my response.


53 posted on 03/10/2009 7:47:33 PM PDT by WheresMyBailout
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To: WheresMyBailout
"Scalia merely stated a Supreme Court procedural fact. He never said there were three justices, or even one justice, in support of this petition. "

Hmmm.....but saying you need a fourth justice and saying you need four justices are two differnt statements.

54 posted on 03/10/2009 7:48:05 PM PDT by cookcounty (President Obama's 3 favorite words: "Crisis" "Catastrophe" "Inherited".)
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To: WheresMyBailout; Admin Moderator
I don’t know what Tango Sierra means. (I’m really not up to speed with Internet speak).

Well, allow me to educate you to l33t (Internet Elite Speak).

Tango Sierra is an acronym. It means.

To
Anyone
Not
Genuinely
Original,

Shutup
Immediately,
Enduringly,
Rapidly!
Right,
A-hole?

You see? It's an acronym.

Y'see.

55 posted on 03/10/2009 7:51:04 PM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union, then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: hope

Nine black robed COWARDS!!!!!


56 posted on 03/10/2009 8:02:27 PM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli now reads "Oil the gun..eat the cannolis.")
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To: hope

bttt


57 posted on 03/10/2009 8:02:48 PM PDT by usshadley (crying racism--the new "last refuge of the scoundrel")
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To: appeal2

There will be riots all over the country. Trust me. The Watts riot will look peaceful in comparison.


58 posted on 03/10/2009 8:06:59 PM PDT by lakey (Politicians thrive on chaos. So, they create it!)
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To: blaquebyrd
"To believe her story is to believe Scalia to be an incompetent justice who decides which cases to hear from customers at a book signing."

My thoughts exactly. I don't believe Taitz if what WND says is true, and I am always suspicious of WND material. So two strikes really.

59 posted on 03/10/2009 8:08:25 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of the Free Because of the Brave)
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To: WheresMyBailout
LOL! I like you, n00b.

Here is some of the etymology of n00b:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powned

Basically, "p0wn3d" was a fat-fingered rush to gloat over an opponent's defeat in an online game, very similar to the rush of exultation as you triumphantly trick and checkmate your opponent in a game of quick-chess.

From this word devolved the use of numerics in many online slang words - n00b or n00b13 being one form. It's also common practice with some to substitute a numeric in a swear-word in a FR post.

60 posted on 03/10/2009 8:32:26 PM PDT by an amused spectator (Obama: The Kenyan Anthony Fremont)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
"I don't believe Taitz if what WND says is true, and I am always suspicious of WND material."

That makes three of us, you me and Rush. FReepers need to stop following these conspiracy believing nuts who only serve to drag conservatives down with this foolishness. Seriously if one buys into Berg, WND and their conspiratorial lot, choices must be made. You either buy into their theory that Bush and Cheney caused 911 and should be prosecuted for it or you dismiss them for the loons their 911 theories represent. Come on FReepers, there is a reason Rush, Karl Rove, Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter, Sarah Palin, Bobby Jindal, Mitt Romney and any serious minded conservative are not jumping on the Berg conspiracy crazy train. Wake up. You are being used--EFFECTIVELY!

61 posted on 03/10/2009 8:40:39 PM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: cripplecreek

I agree. It’s Roberts.

I’m sure he understands that the best thing for our country and the conservative movement is for Obama to fail.


62 posted on 03/10/2009 8:40:43 PM PDT by proudpapa (Obama - The Worst One Ever!)
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To: txhurl

Hannity brought it up? I’ll just have to catch his show on the second showing.


63 posted on 03/10/2009 8:42:49 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

I was just quoting someone upthread: didn’t see it, but I’m rather surprised he did.

Biden’s ‘manufactured crisis’ comment meant something... what?


64 posted on 03/10/2009 8:49:33 PM PDT by txhurl (ralph...)
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To: WheresMyBailout
I’m not comfortable with being “hazed” into a forum just because I’m a “newbie”.

Don't think of it as being "hazed".

Think of it as friendly fire.

Welcome to FR.

65 posted on 03/10/2009 8:50:30 PM PDT by Balata
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To: WheresMyBailout; MHGinTN
Bwahahahaha ... nice comeback, n00b!
Which elicits...
I’m not taking the bait, troll.
WMB knows what a "troll" is. Yet...
I didn’t know what “n00b” meant.

What?! I'm not meaning to butt into things here, but I find WMB's...argument...to be deceptive.
Calling somebody a "troll", as well as other wording used, is indicative of somebody with a moderate to fair understanding of Internet vernacular. (...feel free to PM me...)
And if the newbie was concerned that he had been slighted all he had to do was look up "n00b" on any search engine.
The same thing goes for Tango Sierra.

It just doesn't add up. Is it new math?
Pardon my analyzing ways.

66 posted on 03/10/2009 8:56:56 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: blaquebyrd
Come on FReepers, there is a reason...
Well? What is the reason?
67 posted on 03/10/2009 8:59:01 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: WheresMyBailout

Occasionally, someone will post the freeper lexicon. It’s a huge post, that will normally get bumped to several hundred posts whenever a new thread of it starts. I can’t seem to find it with searches. Perhaps someone else here might have a reference for you. It’s a great read and really goes into all the acronyms and weirdness that permeates FR.


68 posted on 03/10/2009 9:12:49 PM PDT by zeugma (Will it be nukes or aliens? Time will tell.)
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To: WheresMyBailout

I’ve been called a baby killer on these forums. Don’t sweat it.


69 posted on 03/10/2009 9:21:53 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Obama - Making Jimmy Carter look like a giant!)
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To: WheresMyBailout

Regardless of how long you’ve been a member, based upon your posts to me, it’s clear you’re a troll and I will ignore your babble from here forward.


70 posted on 03/10/2009 9:22:21 PM PDT by dennisw (0bomo the subprime president- ™)
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To: philman_36
"What is the reason?"

Strategy, and to be more specific, a losing strategy. This whole conspiratorial strategy of joining forces with a movement that believes 911 was a Bush controlled inside job is an embarrassingly losing strategy for conservatives. To the American public it represents a position that we know we can't compete in the arena of ideas. So instead we'll promote conspiratorial theories that neither Clinton nor any of our Republican candidates raised during the presidential campaign to justify our lunacy. If questioned on our lunacy we'll then cite the credentials of our fellow conspirators who to this day, still want to prosecute Bush and Cheney for causing the 911 attacks. The Dems can't afford the free marketing these right-wing conspiracy nuts are freely contributing to their party.

71 posted on 03/10/2009 9:23:15 PM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: cookcounty
saying you need a fourth justice and saying you need four justices are two differnt statements.

That's right. And Scalia said that four were needed. Not "a fourth".

72 posted on 03/10/2009 9:38:02 PM PDT by Sandy
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To: MHGinTN
Scalia stated ‘need to get a fourth’

No he didn't. Reread the article.

73 posted on 03/10/2009 9:39:38 PM PDT by Sandy
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To: appeal2
My guess is you know Bambi will be leaving the WH when Biden has a sudden relapse and has to leave the VP because of health reasons. The only dim out there who has the slightest credibility is perhaps Bayh. He will be installed and Bambi will be out in 60 days thereafter. I have no way of knowing this other than my gut.

Were you the one predicting a Nixon/Agnew/Ford scenario on another thread? The poster mentioned "Maryland."

Bambi doesn’t like the job. He is lazy, incompetent, a total narcissist who will not be happy when 90 percent of the population hates him. 57 percent on PMSNBC are already rating him an F. He is going to freak and will be forced from office by the shadowdy hand that really runs things.

Presidents who took this office previously buckled down and got to work immediately. (Yes, even Carter.) No fanfare, no parties, just a rolling up of the sleeves. BO wanted to get away after only two weeks. Now it's going on two months and he's too "tired" to lay proper diplomatic groundwork with our allies. I can't see him growing into the job, because that would mean he'd have to grow up, and I don't think he's an adult at all.

The only thing standing in their way is Biden. He is unfit to lead or wash the White House toilets, a complete and total bufoon that makes Bambi look like a natural born leader. Bambi will be out by November of 2009.

You seem so certain of this.

74 posted on 03/10/2009 9:40:42 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: hope

mark


75 posted on 03/10/2009 10:21:10 PM PDT by KarenMarie
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To: refermech
Considering Powell's turncoat behavior, similar behavior in a SCOTUS Justice would not surprise me.

Some things are thicker than water...

76 posted on 03/10/2009 10:28:05 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: appeal2
Biden succeeds Barry-O and picks Her Thighness as VP. Biden then suffers another aneurysm and HRC becomes POTUS and rules for over 10 years.

How's that for your WORST F**KING NIGHTMARE?

77 posted on 03/11/2009 1:48:38 AM PDT by paddles
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To: hope

BTTT


78 posted on 03/11/2009 5:17:05 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: blaquebyrd
This whole conspiratorial strategy of joining forces with a movement that believes 911 was a Bush controlled inside job is an embarrassingly losing strategy for conservatives.
Are you trying to imply that just because Berg, as a "Truther", has brought a birth certificate/eligibility suit that forces are being joined? Good luck with that.
I do, however, see a bunch of folks trying to persuade others that such a thing is true, even to the point of nicknaming people who want to see original documents as Birthers. (comparable to the nickname Truthers)

To the American public it represents a position that we know we can't compete in the arena of ideas.
How do you know this? The majority of the American public isn't even aware that people are demanding to see the original documents because, as you stated, many conservative pundits aren't even covering the issue.

So instead we'll promote conspiratorial theories that neither Clinton nor any of our Republican candidates raised during the presidential campaign to justify our lunacy.
No politician had to. Others did it. It was the New York Times that started the McCain issue...
McCain’s Canal Zone Birth Prompts Queries About Whether That Rules Him Out
And National Review started the Obama issue...
Obama Could Debunk Some Rumors By Releasing His Birth Certificate.
No conspiracy there, is there? It was looked into and resolved. The same can't be said for Obama.

If questioned on our lunacy we'll then cite the credentials of our fellow conspirators who to this day, still want to prosecute Bush and Cheney for causing the 911 attacks.
Ah, well, it's already been shown that you're attempting to establish guilt by association. A new sentence isn't going to help.

Blackbird...from the White Album.

79 posted on 03/11/2009 5:20:55 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
"Ah, well, it's already been shown that you're attempting to establish guilt by association. A new sentence isn't going to help."

I'm not trying to hide it. If you associate with folks who believe Bush and Cheney were responsible for the 911 attacks you are in fact a LOON!

80 posted on 03/11/2009 7:06:48 AM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: blaquebyrd
If you associate with folks who believe Bush and Cheney were responsible for the 911 attacks you are in fact a LOON!
But I don't associate with folks who believe Bush and Cheney were responsible for the 911 attacks.
Your implying that I do doesn't make it true.
81 posted on 03/11/2009 7:25:52 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: blaquebyrd
I'm not trying to hide it.
BTW, I never said you were trying to "hide" anything.
Once again, since you insist on trying to twist things yet again...

Ah, well, it's already been shown that you're attempting to establish guilt by association. A new sentence isn't going to help.

Implying something isn't "hiding" something. It's an insinuation...to convey an idea indirectly.

82 posted on 03/11/2009 7:31:06 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: blaquebyrd
And before I forget...
To the American public it represents a position that we know we can't compete in the arena of ideas.
How do you know this?

You didn't answer my question.

83 posted on 03/11/2009 7:34:19 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
"To the American public it represents a position that we know we can't compete in the arena of ideas. How do you know this? You didn't answer my question.

I know this by the lack of coverage this conspiracy has garnered amongst serious thinking conservatives. As I've previously stated why isn't Rush, Palin, Jindal, Shelby, Thompson, Hunter, Hannity, Krauthammer, Hume, Coulter, Malkin, Rove, Kristol, Joe the Plumber, Bush I and II not addressing this issue? Why do you suppose, conservatives who freely and frequently label Obama a communist and a socialist stop short when it comes to joining the Birther conspiracy crowd? Rush can't stand the man and openly hopes for his failure but even he refuses to board the crazy train. No serious minded conservative wants to be associated with conspiracy kooks.

84 posted on 03/11/2009 8:08:54 AM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: blaquebyrd
I know this by the lack of coverage this conspiracy has garnered amongst serious thinking conservatives.
PLEASE! That doesn't mean squat! "Serious thinking conservatives" haven't touched a whole host of issues until it became "public knowledge" and then they showed much angst for not having covered the issue from the start.
Think "Air National Guard" and "Kinko's".
85 posted on 03/11/2009 8:20:08 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: blaquebyrd

Think “stained blue dress” and “Clinton”.


86 posted on 03/11/2009 8:21:30 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Sandy
I used single quote marks to indicate it was not a direct quote but rather the essence of his statement as I understood it. You are absolutely correct that Scalia did not say directly 'get a fourth'. Below are the two statements from Scalia, as reported in the WND article related from Atty Taitz:

[[ "Scalia stated that it would be heard if I can get four people to hear it. He repeated, you need four for the argument. I got a feeling that he was saying that one of these four that call themselves constitutionalists went to the other side," Taitz said.

“’Tell me what to do, what can I do, those soldiers [her plaintiffs] can be court-martialed for asking a legitimate question, who is the president, is he legitimate.' He said, 'Bring the case, I'll hear it, I don't know about others.'" ]]

Thank you, Sandy, for allowing me the opportunity to clarify.

87 posted on 03/11/2009 8:22:20 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: philman_36
PLEASE! That doesn't mean squat!

Ok please explain why Sarah Palin, who openly attacked Obama for his terrorist ties to Bill Ayers refuses to address his eligibility for the presidency? See it doesn't make sense. President Bush controlled the best intelligence agency on the planet but refused to use it to insure the highest office in the land wouldn't be occupied by a foreigner? Do you see where your conspiracy theory fails at every level?

88 posted on 03/11/2009 8:41:10 AM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: hope

Is a President Biden an improvement?


89 posted on 03/11/2009 8:44:29 AM PDT by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: blaquebyrd
Ok please explain why Sarah Palin, who openly attacked Obama for his terrorist ties to Bill Ayers refuses to address his eligibility for the presidency?
I can't speak for somebody else. You seem more capable in that arena than I.

President Bush controlled the best intelligence agency on the planet but refused to use it to insure the highest office in the land wouldn't be occupied by a foreigner?
Oh, yeah! Give the libtards another reason to bash him.
"LOOK! We told you! He's using intelligence agencies on American Citizens."
And perhaps he thought the respective political parties were responsible for that and not him. And if they blew it then said party would pay the price, which is the potential problem for the Dems.

Do you see where your conspiracy theory fails at every level?
It isn't "my" conspiracy. Hell, it isn't even a conspiracy because the whole debate is out in the open. It seems to me that the only conspiring going on is in the efforts to hide the information necessary to end this debate.

90 posted on 03/11/2009 8:55:55 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: MHGinTN
According to Taitz's account of the meeting, Scalia didn't even remember the previous cases.
I asked, tell me what happened before, why Lightfoot v Bowen was not heard, what about Berg, Wrotnownski, Donofrio- he had a bewildered look on his face, he kept saying- I don't know, I don't remember, I don't know, I don't remember.

91 posted on 03/11/2009 8:57:49 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: WheresMyBailout
"And don't call me 'Francis..."

92 posted on 03/11/2009 8:59:31 AM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: blaquebyrd

conspire - : to join in a secret agreement to do an unlawful or wrongful act or an act which becomes unlawful as a result of the secret agreement


93 posted on 03/11/2009 9:02:28 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
"Oh, yeah! Give the libtards another reason to bash him. "LOOK! We told you! He's using intelligence agencies on American Citizens."

President Bush had his faults but national security was not one of them. Why would a president who took heat for invading Iraq, domestic wire tapping, GITMO and Abu Ghrab give a damn about taking heat for using his intelligence agency to expose a candidate from an opposing party? Again your argument doesn't pass the common sense test. For years we heard about Hillary's FBI files and how she used them to coerce politicians to do her bidding. Why didn't she use these super secret files to expose Obama? Don't tell me Bush and Hillary are in on it too.

94 posted on 03/11/2009 9:27:27 AM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: blaquebyrd
Why would a president who took heat for invading Iraq, domestic wire tapping, GITMO and Abu Ghrab give a damn about taking heat for using his intelligence agency to expose a candidate from an opposing party?
Well, I tried to give you some possibilities. Again, I can't speak for somebody else.

Why didn't she use these super secret files to expose Obama?
Perhaps because a file didn't exist at that time. He was elected after Filegate.

95 posted on 03/11/2009 9:52:49 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

You win—I give up. I’ll admit it, I can’t prove Bigfoot doesn’t exist.


96 posted on 03/11/2009 10:03:16 AM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: blaquebyrd
You win—I give up. I’ll admit it, I can’t prove Bigfoot doesn’t exist.
Awwww, come ON. You were such fun! Nessie, like those files, was only a step away.

I would like to say much more to you publicly, but I'd also like to keep my posting privileges.

97 posted on 03/11/2009 10:09:07 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
But I don't associate with folks who believe Bush and Cheney were responsible for the 911 attacks.

Sure you do. His name is Phil Berg.

98 posted on 03/11/2009 10:14:50 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: philman_36
"I would like to say much more to you publicly, but I'd also like to keep my posting privileges."

Man up and say it.

99 posted on 03/11/2009 10:26:10 AM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: curiosity
Sure you do.
And I assume you have some proof, bucket boy?
100 posted on 03/11/2009 10:31:41 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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